3DS Discussion Thread

[Bebpo]

Mario Kart DS was pretty good, so it's not surprising.  It's only the console MKs that suck post-SNES.

Not going to buy it though.  Interest in MK is basically non-existent these days.

[Bebpo]

Wait, Retro developed it?

That's...interesting.  American made Mario Kart; heh, never thought I'd see the day.  So no more FPS games from Retro? 

[Shaka Khan]

I'm totally distinguished mentally-challenged for MK. I skipped the Wii game, but played the DS game for 3 years straight; 2nd & 3rd year was strictly local MP with 4 of my friends whenever I go back home for the weekend. It was probably my favorite multiplayer experience in the past 5 or 6 years.

Wait, Retro developed it?

I think Retro only developed the DKR course, and a few others, but that's about it, iirc.

[iconoclast]

Super Mario 64 is the only good 3D Mario.

accurate

[Oblivion]

if anything i don't get how people can dislike NSMB DS but like the wii one,for me they might as well be the same game so... *shrugs*

superficially they're very similar, much like a ball of rabbit shit and a ball of delicious chocolate

anyone with a shred of taste is able to rather easily distinguish the two, however

Fucking seriously. I'm a huge Mario platformer taco, and at the time NSMB: DS came out, I was pretty stoked to try it out. Went to a friend's place who had the game, and I lost interest in it after the first level. It was like 'wtf is this shit?'. Even those game boy Mario games held my attention longer than that, and they were terrible. Afterwards, my friend offered to let me borrow the game. We haven't spoken since.

NSMBW obviously shares the same physics and graphics engine, but it is light years superior when it comes to level design and new items. Hell, I'd even be willing to go as far as saying it may have the best level design PERIOD for a 2D Mario.

[magus]

the propeller suit is horrible in that it let you save your ass when you are falling down a hole,it just makes thing easier and the penguin suit is just a slightly less horrible/more gimmick version of the turtle

and there are plenty of boring stages in NSMB wii,like that horrible raft stage where you sit on your ass,waiting for the raft to move

[Raban]

I'm totally distinguished mentally-challenged for MK. I skipped the Wii game, but played the DS game for 3 years straight; 2nd & 3rd year was strictly local MP with 4 of my friends whenever I go back home for the weekend. It was probably my favorite multiplayer experience in the past 5 or 6 years.

Mario Kart DS

I find it a little strange that people are hating on SM64 in here. Maybe it's not the strongest Mario game, strictly speaking, but its throne on top of the 3D platforming genre is cemented, imo. I have never played a game where you have anywhere near as much agility as Mario does in SM64.

You can do a slide kick like motherfucking Richter in that game. 'Nuff said.

[Tasty]

I love both MK DS and MK Wii. MK Wii had some awesome new courses and the best online of any Nintendo game ever.

Also tricks and bikes.

[Himu]

Mario Kart is one of those things where it's okay, but I've played so much better games I'd rather play something else. MK64 is great, though. Didn't like Mario Kart on snes. That game kinda sucked, as did the original F-Zero. Terrible controls. Meanwhile, I was playing Outrun on my Sega Genesis.

[cool breeze]

Mario Kart DS is really good.  Mario Kart Wii turned it more into a party game and it was really boring.  Everything was slowed down, dumbed down, and wholly less skill based.  The problems with luck of the draw were worse than ever.

If the 3DS game truly goes back to what made the DS game good, I'd be down for it.  Mario Kart DS was pure arcade kart racing.  Video still make it look like the Wii version, with gimmicks like bikes/tricks are replaced with flying/underwater, and the same slowness was kept.  I'm still unsure about it because you know there will be a Wii U Mario Kart because Nintendo dumps out its franchises on each console with eerie efficiency.  Or I'll wait for good impressions.

[Tasty]

Mario Kart DS is really good.  Mario Kart Wii turned it more into a party game and it was really boring.  Everything was slowed down, dumbed down, and wholly less skill based.  The problems with luck of the draw were worse than ever.

If the 3DS game truly goes back to what made the DS game good, I'd be down for it.  Mario Kart DS was pure arcade kart racing.  Video still make it look like the Wii version, with gimmicks like bikes/tricks are replaced with flying/underwater, and the same slowness was kept.  I'm still unsure about it because you know there will be a Wii U Mario Kart because Nintendo dumps out its franchises on each console with eerie efficiency.  Or I'll wait for good impressions.

MK Wii isn't slow, the lanes are just wider because now there's 12 simultaneous players instead of 8. The rubberbanding was bad in single-player, but competitive wise it was all still gravy. Online was awesome. Bikes and tricks were cool. Don't get the hate.

[Raban]

I always wanted to try Mario Kart Wii since I love me la motocicletas, but too bad it means playing a Wii

[cool breeze]

well, MK Wii is certainly a thick brown liquid of some kind

[Raban]

[tiesto]

Mario Kart DS is really good.  Mario Kart Wii turned it more into a party game and it was really boring.  Everything was slowed down, dumbed down, and wholly less skill based.  The problems with luck of the draw were worse than ever.

If the 3DS game truly goes back to what made the DS game good, I'd be down for it.  Mario Kart DS was pure arcade kart racing.  Video still make it look like the Wii version, with gimmicks like bikes/tricks are replaced with flying/underwater, and the same slowness was kept.  I'm still unsure about it because you know there will be a Wii U Mario Kart because Nintendo dumps out its franchises on each console with eerie efficiency.  Or I'll wait for good impressions.

MKDS is my favorite game in the series, didn't like the Wii one very much (it was really bad with the luck-based items, and it was entirely possible to go from 16th place to first with getting a few good items)... but the little I played of the 3DS one makes it seem like the DS one plus slightly gimmicky plane/underwater sections minus snaking.

[TakingBackSunday]

itt: magoose continues to display is shitawful taste

for me regarding mario games:

SMW2 > SMG2 > SMW > SMG > SMB2 > NSMB Wii > Mario 64 > SMB3 > SMS > SMB > NSMB

[Van Cruncheon]

itt: magoose continues to display is shitawful taste

for me regarding mario games:

SMW2 > SMG2 > SMW > SMG > SMB2 > NSMB Wii > Mario 64 > SMB3 > SMS > SMB > NSMB

i was going to mock you for continuing this dumb canonical ranking exercise, but i kinda agree with your list

[Trent Dole]

I loved Double Dash btw, I'm cool with being the only one who did though.

I'm with you on that one, think it fucking sucks that they didn't continue the two chars on a cart thing but they had to start dumbing the shit out of everything for grandma.

[Eel O'Brian]

I went to Best Buy yesterday evening around 9 and saw stacks of the $179 bundles (Zelda and Mario 3D Land) sitting there, dunno if they overstocked or what but I was actually surprised they hadn't sold out

[Shaka Khan]

People of the Bore: Please buy MK7.

I just realized that I dislike the majority of ninthings found elsewhere; hyper-sensitivity and sale-whoredom irreparably ruined them. So I really, really don't wanna play against them. So again, please. Buy the fucking game.

[TakingBackSunday]

Of course I will.

[Oblivion]

SMG's way better than SMG2 in every category except probably level design.

[Van Cruncheon]

i <3 you shaka, but fuck mario kart. it's one of those games that you really only need play ONE version of

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quite unlike dynasty warriors

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[Van Cruncheon]

SMG's way better than SMG2 in every category except probably level design.

you mean that only bit that matters in a platformer?

[Oblivion]

SMG's way better than SMG2 in every category except probably level design.

you mean that only bit that matters in a platformer?

Well, okay... but it does have fewer levels.

[TakingBackSunday]

Mario Galaxy 2 has better, more varied levels, the lack of a stupid hub world (fuck this concept in platformers), better music, and is a much harder game than its predecessor.  SMG2 is the best 3D mario game by far.

[Oblivion]

It does NOT have better music.

[Shaka Khan]

i <3 you shaka, but fuck mario kart. it's one of those games that you really only need play ONE version of

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quite unlike dynasty warriors

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:'(

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

People of the Bore: Please buy MK7.

I just realized that I dislike the majority of ninthings found elsewhere; hyper-sensitivity and sale-whoredom irreparably ruined them. So I really, really don't wanna play against them. So again, please. Buy the fucking game.

Mario Kart DS is my favorite entry in the series.  If MK7 is like it, then I'm down.

If it is like MK Wii or Double Dash (both are poor, although online play partially saves the former), then I'm gonna pass.

[magus]

Mario Galaxy 2 has better, more varied levels, the lack of a stupid hub world (fuck this concept in platformers), better music, and is a much harder game than its predecessor.  SMG2 is the best 3D mario game by far.

more varied levels my ass! when you have to pick content from the previous game and call it "throwback throwdown" you fucking failed,SMG2 is the lamest expansion pack ever but with the magical nintendo glasses,it turns into AAA gold!

and the game is not harder than the predecessor in the slighest

mario 64,now that had variety,but nooooooooope let's hate on classics will ya!

except probably level design.

everytime people says "level design" i cringe,what are ya an architect? do you look at the mona lisa and talk about "color design" or some shit like that? there are only good levels,bad levels,and forgettable levels and mario galaxy 2 is all about the last kind

[Owl-faced Wizard]

itt: magoose continues to display is shitawful taste

for me regarding mario games:

SMW2 > SMG2 > SMW > SMG > SMB2 > NSMB Wii > Mario 64 > SMB3 > SMS > SMB > NSMB

My list is pretty close but SMW is too high.  You are awesome for giving SMB2 recognition (assuming that's USA).

[AdmiralViscen]

Does MK7 have the challenge mode from MK DS? I have no one to play with anymore so this has to work well in single player.

[TakingBackSunday]

Mario Galaxy 2 has better, more varied levels, the lack of a stupid hub world (fuck this concept in platformers), better music, and is a much harder game than its predecessor.  SMG2 is the best 3D mario game by far.

more varied levels my ass! when you have to pick content from the previous game and call it "throwback throwdown" you fucking failed,SMG2 is the lamest expansion pack ever but with the magical nintendo glasses,it turns into AAA gold!

and the game is not harder than the predecessor in the slighest

mario 64,now that had variety,but nooooooooope let's hate on classics will ya!

except probably level design.

everytime people says "level design" i cringe,what are ya an architect? do you look at the mona lisa and talk about "color design" or some shit like that? there are only good levels,bad levels,and forgettable levels and mario galaxy 2 is all about the last kind

christ, go back to your corner.  worst taste ever

[Tasty]

Mario Galaxy 2 has better, more varied levels, the lack of a stupid hub world (fuck this concept in platformers), better music, and is a much harder game than its predecessor.  SMG2 is the best 3D mario game by far.

lolno @ music

I like SMG and SMG2 about equal. But I might give the edge to SMG for its music and just everything it accomplished when it came out. Oh and it had much better bosses.

[Shaka Khan]

Does MK7 have the challenge mode from MK DS? I have no one to play with anymore so this has to work well in single player.

It does, as far as I know .

[TakingBackSunday]

(the better remix)



sorry, SMG2's music is much better.  SMG had great themes, and SMG2 expanded on them.

[cool breeze]

I was going to call you out on the music thing too, but I change my opinion.  I'd rather be on your side.

[TakingBackSunday]

Really?  Only thing I can remember being memorable from SMG was some of the remixes and Gusty Garden, which is the main theme for SMG2 anyway.

[Oblivion]

BN, two of those tracks are remixes of themes in previous games, and the first few seconds of the final bowser theme are the same from the final bowser battle of SMG.


Let me show you how a REAL man selects Mario music:

[Tasty]

I did love Hightail Falls theme. Nostalgia!

Still stand by my opinion of liking SMG's more.

Edit- Glad I didn't do the list war thing. Thanks Bliv.

[Himu]

SMG > SMG2

No doubt.

Fail to see how SMG2 has better level design than SMG. The level design is about the same, but SMG2 has more throw away levels and typical Mario Bloat (tm). Maybe I should start on Green Stars. It's been about a year since I played SMG2. I beat the shit out of SMG in like three days, with 80-90 stars, and less than a week later I sat there with all stars. Took me like a month to beat SMG2 in comparison. Don't get the hype but that's probably because I played them almost back to back, but I waited a few months to play SMG2. Then again, playing them back to back probably exposed more of SMG2's flaws. But then, both games are so awesome debating between the two is kinda pointless.

The only thing SMG2 has over SMG is the map. Fuck hub worlds, they're gay unless they're Jet Set Radio Future.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Target still had tons of the system + Mario bundles in stock ($179)

I was sort of tempted, but there's no sense buying a system with only one game I want to play and no second in sight

[Owl-faced Wizard]

SMG > SMG2

No doubt.

Fail to see how SMG2 has better level design than SMG. The level design is about the same, but SMG2 has more throw away levels and typical Mario Bloat (tm).

Galaxy 1 reused entire levels.  It has a superior score and the best powerup (ice Mario), but that's it.

[Himu]

Galaxy 1 reused entire levels? Where?

[cool breeze]

Target still had tons of the system + Mario bundles in stock ($179)

I was sort of tempted, but there's no sense buying a system with only one game I want to play and no second in sight

It's best to wait for the revision.  It seems like most third party games from here on out are going to be supporting the second stick add-on.  The revision will probably be sooner than later, and either way you'll have more than one game to play.  Maybe three! (depending on E3 announcements)

[Himu]

not to interrupt all the wii talk, but shinobi 3d is bonertastic

[Bebpo]

Target still had tons of the system + Mario bundles in stock ($179)

I was sort of tempted, but there's no sense buying a system with only one game I want to play and no second in sight

Why would you buy a system that is already outdated.

At least wait for Kingdom Hearts! (which might come with a new revision anyhow)

not to interrupt all the wii talk, but shinobi 3d is bonertastic

I like Shinobi and I like Griptone even though they can't program graphics worth shit (Shattered Dimensions ran at like 5fps with no graphics pushing).  Will play this eventually.

Hey Oscar, so on MK7, did Retro just design a track or two like Raban suggested?  Or did they design the actual core gameplay?  I'm only buying this if they designed the actual game.

[Owl-faced Wizard]

Galaxy 1 reused entire levels? Where?

Gold Leaf obviously, and Dreadnought is a near-straight remix of Battlerock.  Obviously SMG2 recycles a lot of individual building blocks of 1, but nothing like that.

[Shaka Khan]

Hey Oscar, so on MK7, did Retro just design a track or two like Raban suggested? 

[magus]

jesus christ magoose

i keep my expectations for you pretty low but you always find a way to squeak under them

you really don't see why level design is one of the, if not the, most important thing in a platformer game?

my point is what does level design exactly entail? secret exits? enemies? points where you jump? gimmick like yoshi?

when someone says "SMG2 has better level design than SMG1" they might as well say "potato have a better frying design than fish"

level design it's just a term that makes you sound like a dork,without saying anything

[Shaka Khan]

[Himu]

I think what Magus is trying to say that in many ways, people attribute good level design to being...whacky levels rather than tight levels. Example: why do people say that Jak and Daxter have better level design than Jak 2, despite Jak and Daxter playing like an outdated psx platformer straight out of the 90's? Because it has more "heart"? People, very often, use very trivial, emotional things for defining what makes a good level, rather than the design itself, which can often make such discussions confusing.

But then, we know Magus likes the whacky so I don't know what the fuck.

[Himu]

Dammit. Red handed.

[magus]

this has *got* to be a language barrier

not even magoose is this obtuse

magoose click twice if you understand 'level' 

bark once if you understand 'design'

whistle provocatively if you don't understand a thing

i'm saying we should say what makes a level good instead of just saying "better level design" what makes SMG2 level better than SMG? i don't fucking know because most SMG2 level just use the same gimmick's of SMG,they are not harder,they don't feature different enemies and in fact they are even shorter so.....

saying "better level design" just goes around the argument without getting to the core of it,it just says nothing

[Himu]

Goddamn. That's actually...I...I agree with all of that. And it's a Magus post and it hits the core problem that I mentioned in the post a few posts up: people very rarely say WHY a level is designed better. I see it as a very personal, subjective thing.

[Raban]

Hey Oscar, so on MK7, did Retro just design a track or two like Raban suggested? 

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[TakingBackSunday]

SMG2 has tighter, more concise levels, hardly ever repeating itself like SMG did.  Also, horizontal gravity levels, I said goddamn.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

itt: magoose continues to display is shitawful taste

for me regarding mario games:

SMW2 > SMG2 > SMW > SMG > SMB2 > NSMB Wii > Mario 64 > SMB3 > SMS > SMB > NSMB

I agree with this list 100%

[Himu]

Tell me more about Shinobi, Oscar. How does it fare against Shinobi III?

[Himu]

More importantly, how's the music?