3DS Discussion Thread

[pilonv1]

I'll test it out before

[maxy]

NOA has some presentation(3 hours later),NOE will be streaming Iwata thing with one hour delay(english subs)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35325775&postcount=1

[pilonv1]

Seems to work on iPad.

Reggie's chin is too shiny for my liking

[Damian79]

http://www.ustream.tv/embed/10464529

Thats the jap stream.

[pilonv1]

Fire Emblem 4/19

edit: with some free DLC until May 31

Mario Tennis Open 5/24

Project Zero Wii zzzzz

Culdecept 3DS 6/28

Some Football Management sim for DS. Looks like Nintendos version of Pocket League Story.

Kingdom Hearts 3D

Rune Factory 4 July

DQ Monsters remake

Some eshop RPG

A weird furry game The Rolling Western

Virtual Console stuff like Game Gear on eshop

Some Capcom/Namco/Sega crossover

Etrian Odyssey 4

3DS brain training

Monster Hunter 3G DLC

over

[magus]

all these games are ooooooooooold

GIVE US THE SEVEN

some new announcement

- a crossover game involving capcom,namco bandai and sega,it will be published by namco

- some footage of etrian odyssey iv

and that's it,no seven at all,super disappointing

[pilonv1]

what a waste of an hour

[magus]

what a waste of an hour

yep

some EO4 scans here
http://www.gamekyo.com/groupnews_article22645.html

[pilonv1]

Good thing I was playing Football Manager as well or I'd be right pissed

[Tasty]

MH 3G DLC?

I wonder if they'll announce an American release during NoA's presentation in an hour and a half. *crosses fingers*

[Tasty]

TLS coming to NA. Yay? Eh I find it hard to care, might check it out based on impressions.

[bachikarn]

[cool breeze]

I'm glad that Camelot is doing Mario Tennis and not Golf while Clap Hanz is doing Golf and not Tennis.  The other way would be fine too (I like Camelot's Tennis more) but at least both aren't doing the same sport.  I'm hoping it has the gameplay from the N64 or Gamecube game with all the career/rpg stuff of the GBA game.

also, Monster Hunter 3G was recently announced for Europe.  If it's translated and all, might as well bring it over.  If they don't, it's just another reason to hate the lack of region free on the 3DS.

[magus]

Fire Emblem looks great, new Mario Tennis done by Camelot is awesome, EO4 is fuckyeahinmyface.  Nothing megatonny or w/e but those are pretty solid for me.

a sequel of a frustating overdone game,a sequel of one overdone games,and a sequel of one game everybody stops playing after the first half because after that they are done filling their HARDCOREZ QUOTA

COLOR ME EXCITED

[Bebpo]

Fire Emblem looks great, new Mario Tennis done by Camelot is awesome, EO4 is fuckyeahinmyface.  Nothing megatonny or w/e but those are pretty solid for me.

a sequel of a frustating overdone game,a sequel of one overdone games,and a sequel of one game everybody stops playing after the first half because after that they are done filling their HARDCOREZ QUOTA

COLOR ME EXCITED

I sort of feel like magus here, but I'll be nicer.

FE games are awesome, but I am like 2-3 FE games backlogged already, so no interest.  They come out too frequently and it's hard to keep up.  And they all feel pretty similar but at least they have unique storylines.
Mario Tennis is neat, but I'm not that big on Tennis games; golf has a bit more variety with all the different courses to learn, tennis is just super pong.  Hence why I'm not buying Virtua Tennis 4 on Vita either.
EO like FE is a great game series, but I'm 2 and a 1/2 EOs behind already, so no interest.  They come out too frequently and it's hard to keep up.  And they all feel pretty similar.

As much as they're all good games, there's something to be said that they're, like many Nintendo franchises, the same game repacked yearly or bi-yearly with slight changes and as an older gamer with a backlog those of the kind of games I'm least interested in anymore.

[demi]

magus is mad they're all on 3DS ; D

I'm sure he's excited to play Inazuma Eleven 2 though

[Damian79]

Fire Emblem looks great, new Mario Tennis done by Camelot is awesome, EO4 is fuckyeahinmyface.  Nothing megatonny or w/e but those are pretty solid for me.

a sequel of a frustating overdone game,a sequel of one overdone games,and a sequel of one game everybody stops playing after the first half because after that they are done filling their HARDCOREZ QUOTA

COLOR ME EXCITED

I am excited for this game because it has multiple units attacking instead fo just one on one like in the past.  Seems to be a little fresher than other fire emblem games.

[magus]

magus is mad they're all on 3DS ; D

I'm sure he's excited to play Inazuma Eleven 2 though

not after playing the first one i'm afraid

I am excited for this game because it has multiple units attacking instead fo just one on one like in the past.  Seems to be a little fresher than other fire emblem games.

here's a secret,i ragequitted fire emblem forever after what in poker would be called a bad beat erased 1 hour of progress

so fuck fire emblem

[Bebpo]

I've only played two FEs, the GC one (was cool) & either the first or second one on GBA (was cool).  If I play another FE It'll be the Wii one since I own it and it's a direct sequel to the GC one which I liked.

[magus]

one thing that always ticked me off back when fire emblem was a new shiny thing that didn't piss me off is that they brought FE7 (the first english fire emblem) which is a prequel... FE7 ending alludes then to FE6 (the first japanese GBA fire emblem) so FE6 features a lot of FE7 character all grow up and married which is awesome

so what nintendo does?

not bringing FE6 that's what! (but there's a fantranslation if you want)

anyway,the thing that draws me mad the most about fire emblem,random stat gains on level ups!

[Bebpo]

Yeah, but SMT games do that for everyone except for the main character (or in SJ the main character  ) and you deal with it.  I don't mind that much.  Keeps it more balanced than you min-maxing and breaking a character.

[Vizzys]

i cant play fire emblem because i secretly consider that maybe every character is important to the story and if they die I feel compelled to restart

[pilonv1]

i cant play fire emblem because i secretly consider that maybe every character is important to the story and if they die I feel compelled to restart

I thought I was the only one who did that. Probably why I stuck with Advance Wars 

[originalz]

FE is too hardcore for you wusses, people complain that Nintendo games are too easy and for little kids yet complain that FE is too difficult, "core" gamers my ass.  Good thing that the second DS one has a CASUAL mode so anyone can beat the game with barely any effort!  Your characters also revive after battle, getting rid of any actual strategy and tension in the fights.

They won't let important characters die, they'll either retreat or the game will just end.  Anyone who dies in a FE game usually has several similar units to replace it, that's why you have such an excess of characters near the end of the game.  If you lose too many characters, just restart and learn from your mistakes.  It is possible to get to a point where the game is unwinnable due to having too many casualties, but it'd be pretty foolish to save and continue after finishing a battle with heavy losses.

[Bebpo]

I'm ok with perma death in my srpgs as long as I can quicksave every turn.  I don't have the time or patience to replay hour long stages because of one mistake.

Luckily most let me save!  I think FE does.  I did no death runs on the two FE games I played and I don't remember it being an issue.

[originalz]

I'm ok with perma death in my srpgs as long as I can quicksave every turn.  I don't have the time or patience to replay hour long stages because of one mistake.

Luckily most let me save!  I think FE does.  I did no death runs on the two FE games I played and I don't remember it being an issue.

If you can quicksave then there's no permadeath, since you'll just reload if you lose a character.  FE is all about tension and using the best tactics possible.  There's nothing like the rush of trying a risky strategy and watching how the battles play out, knowing that there are real consequences if you fail.  If something does go wrong, you have to decide whether or not it's worth starting over to keep that character, it's very exciting!  Allowing you to save and reload is downright cheating, you can just keep replaying a turn until you get the result that you want.

Sometimes you get hit by an unlucky crit which can be frustrating, but it also often works out in your favor, so them's the breaks.

It's actually pretty amazing that FE can still survive with the core gameplay intact in this generation of "press forward to win" gaming.  It is kind of unfortunate that the series is slowly getting easier and having more ways to reload, but at least those modes can be disabled so you can get a "pure" experience.

[Bebpo]

Yeah, but when you get an unlucky crit and it kills your character and you need to restart the entire level again...fun stuff when you're 12 and sitting at home in the summer with all the time in the world.  Not so much when you have an hour of gaming a day and you lost all your progress.

I've played perma death games with no quicksave and I've still done no-death runs on them.  The only difference it makes is I play ridiculously cautious and the maps simply take longer.

[originalz]

I've played perma death games with no quicksave and I've still done no-death runs on them.  The only difference it makes is I play ridiculously cautious and the maps simply take longer.

Which is the whole point!  You have to be very careful, examine the battlefield, group teams so that someone won't be surrounded, and take your time.  If just try risky attacks and constantly fight on the offensive knowing that a bad move can easily be removed with a reload, you won't play nearly as carefully.  I can see how some people wouldn't like this, but there are plenty of other SRPGs which you can play instead.  It's like complaining that you need to take your time and be stealthy in a Splinter Cell game instead of running around and shooting people like you can in similar games (although the new Splinter Cell game seems to have strayed from the path).

[Bebpo]

I think very very few people take advantage of mid-map saves by just running out and attacking like crazy and reloading everytime they get hit.  That sounds like it'd take even longer than playing cautiously because of the reloads.

Even with mid-map saves, I'd wager most people still play really smart because they don't want to have to reload.  Reloading is just a safe-guard so if you do play safe and get totally screwed by bad luck you can back up a few steps and try something different.

[magus]

a sequel of a frustating overdone game,a sequel of one overdone games,and a sequel of one game everybody stops playing after the first half because after that they are done filling their HARDCOREZ QUOTA

COLOR ME EXCITED

Yeah, that's why I used the words "for me", you stupid fucking cockmaster optimus prime.

Almost everyone I know who started the EO games finished them, including one of my coworkers who hadn't touched a video game in years.  You're fucking terrible at games, news at eleven, go play more Rhythm Tengoku that you couldn't even sell enough blood and semen to pay for, you worthless piece of garbage.

ehy i've actualy finished EO2 but there are so many thing that rub me wrong about it,that ultimately the part of my brain that says "oooohhhh looooootttt" has to fight with the part of my brain that find parts of the game stupid

like the fact that everytime i want to buy something,i have to waste 30 minutes with a shitty party gathering items because enemies barely drop any sort of spending money

[Bebpo]

I sort of feel like magus here, but I'll be nicer.

FE games are awesome, but I am like 2-3 FE games backlogged already, so no interest.  They come out too frequently and it's hard to keep up.  And they all feel pretty similar but at least they have unique storylines.
Mario Tennis is neat, but I'm not that big on Tennis games; golf has a bit more variety with all the different courses to learn, tennis is just super pong.  Hence why I'm not buying Virtua Tennis 4 on Vita either.
EO like FE is a great game series, but I'm 2 and a 1/2 EOs behind already, so no interest.  They come out too frequently and it's hard to keep up.  And they all feel pretty similar.

As much as they're all good games, there's something to be said that they're, like many Nintendo franchises, the same game repacked yearly or bi-yearly with slight changes and as an older gamer with a backlog those of the kind of games I'm least interested in anymore.

And I'll be nicer to you, because I respect your right to live.

Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon came out three years ago.  Radiant Dawn was two years before that.  Path of Radiance was two years before *that*.  Now, Sacred Stones came out the same year, but that was also the last handheld FE before SD, which means it was five years between handheld FEs.  Now, Bebpo, some people might be able to pull these shenanigans.  But you?  You clear more games (and longer games) than virtually anyone I know.  There is no fucking way these games are coming too fast for you to handle.

Tennis, hey, if you're not into it, you're not into it.  For me, I'm hoping that Camelot is going to do another Tennis RPG like the last time they did a handheld Mario Tennis.  And while it's probably going to play in a very familiar way, it's been *eight* years since the last one, so I'm okay with it.  A guy who tugs his ham to every Hot Shots Golf game released probably shouldn't be taking shots at Mario Tennis being a too-frequent rehash.

Etrian Odyssey, again, your perception isn't matching reality here.  EOII certainly did follow fast after EOI (one year), but EOIII was two years later and EOIV will be two years after EOIII.  This is plenty of time to finish them.  And with all due respect, if you've barely touched 2 and 3, you're in a pretty poor position to judge how similar they are to one another.  EOII is definitely a predictable sequel, but EOIII had a metric shit-ton of new shit and threw out almost everything from the first two.  And frankly it's not like we're up to our asses in good first person dungeon crawlers, either.

For me, what we have here is this: FE is the first new Fire Emblem game since Radiant Dawn five years ago (the recent DS games were remakes), and it looks like they're making several interesting changes to the gameplay.  Mario Tennis is the first new installment in that series in eight years, and it's made by a team who makes some pretty fucking fun sports games.  Etrian Odyssey is a next-gen sequel to a series I loved a lot on the DS, and it seems to be toting a whole bunch of improvements. 

Don't get me wrong, I love original titles, too.  But part of the fun of new hardware is seeing new installments of old favourites, and these are among the ones I wanted to see most (well okay, I never consciously thought about another Mario Tennis, but whatevs).  These are good, hardcore games from series that really haven't been milked that hard, especially relative to MANY other series that you give passes to.

I mean, I'm not trying to tell you to love these games.  Obviously if you're several games behind in these series, they're not your thing, so you probably shouldn't be looking forward to these at all.  But to call these series tired or samey when you jump up and down like a fat kid with a brownie pan for new Uncharted, Hot Shots Golf, and Square Enix games is kind of unfair.

haha, ok fair enough 

With FE I was taking into account the 2 DS games with that ugly pre-rendered look.  It's true that if you leave them out since they're "remakes", one new FE every system is a good ratio. 

And I thought there were Mario Tennis games every couple of years for some reason like Mario Kart.  But it looks like you're right and even the Wii version was just a re-release of the GC version.  So it's been a long time, very true.  The only Mario Tennis I think I played was the GC one and only in SP, which was ok.  It's probably the last tennis game I played actually, unless Virtua Tennis 2 came out afterwards because I played the heck out of that one.

EO, eh, we'll agree to disagree.  I think that, like Trauma Center/Team games, bi-yearly is a bit too often for a series that is kind of the same thing.  Yes, they add new elements like the ship exploration, but the main dungeon crawl or operating on people feels like "I've done this before".  If the EO games had gripping narratives that made me want to get to the next floor to see what happens next, personally I'd be ok with it, but then I'm a "I really need a story in my rpgs to motivate me to keep playing all these battles" kind of guy and I understand that there are those that prefer 50-100 hours of pure dungeon crawling gameplay with no plot and just boss fights, exploration and atmosphere.  Plus I'm just bitter that we keep getting EO and Trauma and everything NOT SMT from the old R&D1 staff at Atlus JPN, yet not counting ports, the only SMT-ish stuff we've had in the last like SIX YEARS from them has been P3/P4/SJ.  Sure there's been Devil Survivor 1/2 but those are Growlanser guys and SRPGs and I want more traditional SMT rpgs   If, instead of EO4, they had announced SJ2 for 3DS I would be ecstatic.  So yeah, re: EO I'm just being a bitter SMT fan here.  I see EO and Trauama as stealing staff and delaying my SMT games.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

My god I didn't realize how out of the loop I was, I don't think I've ever even heard of Etrian Odessy, I had to google what EO stood for. Can someone give me a quick rundown of it's gameplay mechanics?

Some characters FIGHT while others HEAL.

[magus]

My god I didn't realize how out of the loop I was, I don't think I've ever even heard of Etrian Odessy, I had to google what EO stood for. Can someone give me a quick rundown of it's gameplay mechanics?

it's a first person dungeon crawler,you make a party of 5 guys handpicked from a selection of 12 jobs and then just bash monster in the face,they drop loot and you sell that loot to unlock new weapons and items,there is a gimmick where the dungeon are populated by super bosses called F.O.E which you have to dodge



but other than that it's really kinda like a simplified japanese Might & Magic and since this is an atlus game,once in a while some monster comes,and pull off an attack that totaly murders your party making you lose hefty chunk of progress which induce nothing else other than a lot of frothing rage and comment like "U ARE NOT HARDCOREZ ENOUGH"

magus, you are  for just rolling with that kind of shit from me

MY FROTHING RAGE TOWARD ATLUS GAME CANNOT BE STOPPED

[Vizzys]

forgetting to buy a teleport in etrian odyssey is like one of the most demoralizing gaming moments

[Tasty]

eShop limit is apparently 2 GB.

Yay for that.

[Himu]

Well, that's always been kind of the dilemma with the remake of DQ7.  The game is so big and so long, remaking it up to even 3DS level of graphics is probably not going to be worth the financial outcome.  I really doubt they'll trot out the old Heart Beat/Arte Piazza engine again, but I wonder which engine they *are* going to use.

i wonder bout the same thing

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Well, I bought a 3DS lol

add me 4854-7277-1109

[Howard Alan Treesong]

what's a group #

[magus]

apparently a bravely default demo hits in 2 days and i'm the only one giving a fuck

me

[Himu]

What are the best games on the 3ds?

3ds seems like a complete waste. There are like zero pick up and play games that I'm finding interesting.

At most, I've got Shinobi and Samurai Warriors Chronicles to loo forward to.

It seems if I get a 3ds most of my time will be spent playing ds games or stuff from the virtual console shop.

[Himu]

Mario 3d Land, I'm skeptical because I beat New Super Bros literally in one afternoon and I have an up and down relationship with the fat plumber. During pre-release media, I could kinda tell it wasn't my thing because it was employing an obscene amount of 3d gimmickry. I may get it some time, but not at full price. Mario Kart, I guess is an option, but I haven't really played Mario Kart in depth since 64. Pushmo looks okay, but not anything I'd plunk down bones for. Is there a Tetris or Meteos/Lumines like game? Or heck, a rad arcade racer?

What are good games coming to 3ds in the future?

Is the Layton/Phoenix Wright game coming out soon?

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I really like Mario 3D Land, but YMMV. (Prole hates it)

I got Tales of the Abyss because I never played it on PS2.

Pushmo is a perfectly good puzzle game at a very fine price.

I'll play through those and re-evaluate my feelings towards the system.

[magus]

i think kid icarus gets released on march since you like rail shooters? if you are really desperate you could buy starfox

[Tasty]

apparently a bravely default demo hits in 2 days and i'm the only one giving a fuck

me

Looking forward to it too.

[cool breeze]

There are no 3D gimmicks or mechanics in any 3DS game because there can't be.

Zelda OoT 3DS is Zelda OoT 64 with better graphics (either an enhanced port or lazy remake, depending on how you classify it).  I really liked OoT and really liked OoT 3DS.  A lot of subtle gameplay improvements too just by adding more items on the touch screen, making boots items, and minor things like that.

Mario 3D Land is great. 

Resident Evil Revelations is good to great. 

Back at christmas Pilotwings was on sale for $5 and at that price (or up to $10 or 15) it's worth it.  It's fun but really lacks content.

Those're the only games I own/owned.  I played a bit of Mario Kart and it seemed good.  Starfox is Starfox 64; I like it, didn't feel like buying it at that price.

Heard good things about Pushmo, Ridge Racer, Ace Combat, and Shinobi.

[Himu]

Oh right, I knew I was forgetting something and that's Resident Evil.

That brings my interest in games currently out to 5:

- Resident Evil Revelations
- Shinobi
- Samurai Warriors Chronicles
- Pushmo
- Ridge Racer or Mario Kart

I'm cautious about Ridge Racer because I hear it's just another Ridge Racers rehash except not as good.

[Bebpo]

I own 10 3DS games (and 10 Vita games):

Mario 3DS - awesome awesome
Zelda OoT - why did I buy this, I played this game before. 
Re: Rev - haven't played it much, seems kind of iffy
Pushmo - ok game, worth the $5/6 for sure.
Musou - Switching characters is cool, but not being able to just pick a character and play is super lame; having to play as your own generic guy is lame; 15-20fps PS2 graphics
Pilotwings - fun for an hour
SSFIV - sucks ass, 3DS is not good for fighting game controls.  Why did I buy this?  Oh yeah, launch drought
Layton 5 - Hot hot hot stuff, need to finish #4 so I can play this
Gundam the 3d battle - ok C+ UC gundam action game; nostalgia
Beyond the Labyrinth - ok Etrian Odyssey extreme low budget dungeon crawler by Tri-ace.  I like it, but it's slow and many many floors of the same thing.

Will be buying Kid Icarus and Kingdom Hearts 3DS in the next month.  After that, there's nothing I'm interested in on the 3DS until the TBD stuff starts getting dates like Paper Mario, Fire Emblem, and still nothing much in the horizon besides those.

Right now I'd say the only games worth buying on the system are Mario, Mario Kart (if you like MK, I don't), Zelda (if you never played OoT, I have) and maybe RE.  Pushmo too since it's cheap.  But yeah, a year+ in and there's still barely enough titles to justify the system.  After playing the 3DS for a year, I've finished exactly 1 game on it (Mario) and technically I haven't even finished that one because I'm still going through the Special Worlds post-game.  Just not much compelling software there.  I'm sure it'll get better stuff next year.  Will try out the Bravely Default demo this week but I have a feeling that game is going to suck hard.

[cool breeze]

I'm seriously considering Kid Icarus.  Controls are the main thing stopping me.  Everything else is looking good, well, except for how it looks.

again, Kingdom Hearts depends on impressions. 

[Huff]

Pushmo became boring really quick. I completed about maybe 30 of the puzzles and had no desire to keep going.

[Himu]

pushmo does look like it'd get boring quick due to the push/pull aspect

[Tasty]

Pushmo became boring really quick. I completed about maybe 30 of the puzzles and had no desire to keep going.

So it's like every non-action puzzle game then?

And by non-action I mean not like, Tetris.

[Himu]

Crush, Devil Dice, Intelligent Qube don't get boring.

[Huff]

Pushmo became boring really quick. I completed about maybe 30 of the puzzles and had no desire to keep going.

So it's like every non-action puzzle game then?

And by non-action I mean not like, Tetris.

So just because it's boring like other boring games that makes it okay? It was only like 6 bucks, I think I got my money's worth out of it

[Bebpo]

Crush, Devil Dice, Intelligent Qube don't get boring.

I got bored of some of those

and pushmo

/runs

I made a thread either here or on gaf about how puzzle games that have 100+ stages of doing the same puzzle types over and over personally get boring for me after a while and I never finish them even though I may really like their puzzles.  I was talking to a friend of mine and he's like "Yeah, that's the point.  You're not supposed to finish puzzle games.  They're just supposed to have hundreds of puzzles so you can pick them up for 5 mins here and there and do a new puzzle forever".  I dunno, I get annoyed when I can't "finish" games since I like seeing endings and then shelving games.  Hence why I don't play online competitive games.

But I definitely had more than $6 of fun out of Pushmo so I'm happy even if I never finish it.

[Himu]

That's actually a pretty good list. Thanks for highlighting Ridge Racer. I love the original Ridge Racers for psp and RR4. Some of the greatest arcade racers of all time, if you ask me. I missed on Ridge Racers 2 and haven't played RR for psp since launch thereabout, so RR 3ds seems worth looking into. It may sound stupid but I like that it has Donkey Kong 94. Fantastic game.

[Bebpo]

maybe I should pick up mario kart someday.

[maxy]

nvm

[EmCeeGrammar]

I'm kinda shying away from retail titles because 40 DOLLARS, but I find eshop offerings have been pretty good.  You oughta find some good dsi puzzlers in the art style series.  Sakurai Samurai, VVVVVV, Mighty Switch Force, and Zen Pinball are all fun.

As far as retail goes, I've only put a lot of time into Ace Combat.  It has great mission variety and customizable jets, but its kinda ugly and prone to slowdown.  I still had a good time.  Only other games I'm interested in are Pilotwings (when cheap), Animal Crossing, and the inevitable smash and pokemon games.  I might pick up Rayman Origins 3d because autostereoscopic parralax scrolling is super sexy stuff to see in action.

[Eel O'Brian]

I'm curious.  What's the situation, graphics/power-wise? Could the 3DS easily pull off something like the iOS port of GTA3, or stuff like Infinity Blade?

[TakingBackSunday]

I think it could pull something off like Infinity Blade, but it would be obviously much jaggier and the models a bit crappier.  Just look at RE: Rev.