Nintendo 360 console thread(GI rumor:possible final name...Nintendo)

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

We have been hearing this rumor for about two weeks now, but we had difficultly verifying it until now.The Taiwan Economic News has confirmed that Hon Hai Precision Industry Co reportedly has an exclusive contract to build the Wii2 for Nintendo.

Our sources are also saying that Hon Hai will be able to start delivering the first units to Nintendo in October, but it is unclear what the run rate will be once the building is on the way. Whispers suggest that Nintendo will start ramping up production for an expected launch in North America slated for next year. Despite some suggesting a holiday launch for Nintendo yet this year, we just don’t hear it that way.

With the news from Taiwan comes word that the MSRP of the Wii2 will be an estimated $350 to $450.This number is a bit shocking for Nintendo, but actually not unexpected given the hardware that the Wii2 will be using. While others continue to report that the Wii2 will not be HD, the information we have still indicates that the console will use a modified GPU from the ATI R700 family and it will support 1080 HD.

http://fudzilla.com/notebooks/item/22633-wii2-to-be-built-by-hon-hai

My pulled out of my ass guess is that it will launch for $299.  While I'm glad Nintendo is trending away from low tech gimmickry, this generation was a painful lesson in how well consoles that cost over $300 perform.  The 3DS or 3DS Lite will probably be $199-229 at when Wiii launches.

[Oblivion]

No that is just Ign PC config...added ram explanation

Oh, okay. Actually read the article.

Seems the GAFfots are saying Wii 2 will be around 3-4 times PS360 level power. Pretty impressive if it turns out to be the case.

We have been hearing this rumor for about two weeks now, but we had difficultly verifying it until now.The Taiwan Economic News has confirmed that Hon Hai Precision Industry Co reportedly has an exclusive contract to build the Wii2 for Nintendo.

Our sources are also saying that Hon Hai will be able to start delivering the first units to Nintendo in October, but it is unclear what the run rate will be once the building is on the way. Whispers suggest that Nintendo will start ramping up production for an expected launch in North America slated for next year. Despite some suggesting a holiday launch for Nintendo yet this year, we just don’t hear it that way.

With the news from Taiwan comes word that the MSRP of the Wii2 will be an estimated $350 to $450.This number is a bit shocking for Nintendo, but actually not unexpected given the hardware that the Wii2 will be using. While others continue to report that the Wii2 will not be HD, the information we have still indicates that the console will use a modified GPU from the ATI R700 family and it will support 1080 HD.

http://fudzilla.com/notebooks/item/22633-wii2-to-be-built-by-hon-hai

My pulled out of my ass guess is that it will launch for $299.  While I'm glad Nintendo is trending away from low tech gimmickry, this generation was a painful lesson in how well consoles that cost over $300 perform.  The 3DS or 3DS Lite will probably be $199-229 at when Wiii launches.

Yeah, this is really a weird turn of events. I thought if anybody learned from what happened last gen. it would be Nintendo.

[Rman]

Wasn't Nintendo going for slightly better than 360 performance?  These new rumors aren't consistent.  I guess we'll wait for e3.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

These rumors are just that.  I remember all of the Revolution rumors and almost all of them were proven to be false.  I do know that the big neon signed lesson from this generation is to keep prices affordable.  Nintendo has never launched an expensive console and I don't know why they would start now.  The N64 was $199, GC was $199, and Wii was $249.  For the Cafe to shoot up to $449 seems off.  $299 seems a lot more reasonable.

[Damian79]

Only if it was Hiroshi yamauichi saying it.  I still remember him saying htat the GBA was as powerful as the Dreamcast.

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

so I know the joke has been done, but so, I'm just guessing, this time around, 4.5 Gamecubes duct taped together.  Right?

[EmCeeGrammar]

The GBA was $99, the DS was $149, the 3DS was $249.  I'm not sure Nintendo is on the same page as you.

I think portables have alot of their costs tied up in display devices, speakers, and batteries.  And that has gotten harder as they need to fit more gizmos into shells that can't get much larger.

Hindsight tells us that NIntendo could have gotten away with selling the wii for over 300 dollars and still have sold out for a long time.  Not sure what their attitude is now with stuff slowing down.

[Himu]

I definitely don't think psp can run the 3ds RE games or that new Level 5 game. But that just means 3ds can outperform a 6 year old game system, that doesn't make it particularly powerful. Still, psp cannot run those games.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Compare the 3DS to some REAL contemporary technology, the Samsung Galaxy S2. Dual Core processor, 4.4" screen, 8 megapixel camera, recording video's in 1080p, HDMI out, 16GB onboard
(Image removed from quote.)

... why would I care about this  ... phone? Is it a phone?  How much does it cost without a contract, then?

edit:
And yet again the fallacious comparison between a 500 dollar smartphone and a dedicated game device is made.  Come the fuck on people.  I'm sure if Nintendo had someway to bind you into a contract for some essential service the 3ds would be cheaper too.

[pilonv1]

Everyone else is losing money faster than me on a street full of cheap hookers.

I should take you out for a night in Sydney then

[naff]

But Nintendo has a way of getting it's money, in the way of $ 40 games.

Sorry Oscar 

Pff, everyone knows there's no money in software anymore.

smh

[maxy]

somebody is certainly working hard

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[TakingBackSunday]

Don't know what any of it means in regards to power.  But if true, hooray for hard drives!

[Shaka Khan]

512MB RAM?!

[maxy]

oh shit,cat is out of the bag

[Great Rumbler]

Nintendo's back, baby.

[maxy]

This fucking 360 copy paste


1.5 GB of RAM

16 MB EDRAM


Nintendo

16MB Edram is enough for 1080p,no tiling required 

[TakingBackSunday]

GAF seems to think its fake because of the artifacts, but GAF doesn't know shit to begin with, so meh

[maxy]

512MB ram, 1024 video ram? Doesn't that seem kinda dumb?

I wonder if this thing can actually read blu-ray movies.

Not at all,PS3 has 256-256 config

If this is true,Cafe has 1GB video card and 512 MB system RAM that is comparable to video RAM

GTA 5 will look amazing on this system

[Van Cruncheon]

fake?, why is there no "MB" after the video ram amount but there *is* after the main ram amount, seems like a sloppy edit

[Shaka Khan]

When do we usually get the spec sheet for consoles anyways? nobody discusses these things at conventions like E3, and PR reps are usually coy about it. Please tell I don't have to wait until its released and teared down.

[BlueTsunami]

The amount of main memory and video memory and also a 250GB HDD at a reasonable price point is too good to be true. I'd say its fake just off that. This is Nintendo people! The same people who are selling the 3DS at $249

[Van Cruncheon]

it's fake.

[TakingBackSunday]

I choose to believe what I was was programmed to believe  :'(

[Shaka Khan]

Even so, does having twice as much VRAM as the system RAM, and not the other way around, a good thing?

[maxy]

I does feel little bit 360 copy paste,but we'll see what the usual suspects will say about it.This machine would run circles around this gen.

[TakingBackSunday]

Even so, does having twice as much VRAM as the system RAM, and not the other way around, a good thing?

from what I understand, it's not necessarily good OR bad, it's just a decent way to handle RAM on a console.  It's not a PC, its a dedicated game machine.  They don't really need as much RAM as people clamor for.

[cool breeze]

I'm curious to see how much better it will compared to current consoles.

Since Nintendo's press conference is last, the ideal scenario would be for the other two companies to show off their next gen systems that blow the Wii2 away.  Just because it would be hilarious, like when Microsoft showed off Kinect and Sony kinda pooped a broken ass Move tech demo on stage the following day.

E3 is best when the three companies get all catty.  I want Microsoft to trash Move and PSN on stage so bad.  There is so much potential this year.

[demi]

lol. you dont even need to see the picture to know its fake. where's aries when you need him...

[Shaka Khan]

Wait, won't Nintendo go first again this year? At least I'm sure it's ahead of Sony's.

Edit: Derp, nope Nintendo is last.

[T-Short]

Hehe. Cafe vs Café. which fake will win this spelling contest

[Phoenix Dark]

it's fake.

Drinky's in denial as his world comes crashing down. Nintendo 365

[Shaka Khan]

2012 is a leap year. Nintendo yet again lags behind.

[TakingBackSunday]

Maxy, why do you say its a 360 copy pasta?  Is the framework basically the same?

And anyhoo, I think some of that spec list is probably true or close to true, even if the image was faked.  HDD maybe not.

[Shaka Khan]

A Nintendo console where the actual specs turn out to be better than the rumored specs leaked from more credible sources? That would be a first.

[Madrun Badrun]

3 core and regular ram size are the same.

[TakingBackSunday]

A Nintendo console where the actual specs turn out to be better than the rumored specs leaked from more credible sources? That would be a first.

hur?  The french site basically details a machine that would have an architecture like the spec list shows.

[Shaka Khan]

I was referring to IGN's rumors.

Ok, I just heard myself saying that.

[TakingBackSunday]

[maxy]

Maxy, why do you say its a 360 copy pasta?  Is the framework basically the same?

And anyhoo, I think some of that spec list is probably true or close to true, even if the image was faked.  HDD maybe not.

Let's see

360--3 custom Power PC cores,2 hardware threads per core,3.2 GHz
Cafe--4 custom Power PC cores,2 hardware threads per core,3.5 GHz

360...512 MB GDDR3,10 MB EDRAM
Cafe...512 MB XDR2+1024 MB GDDR5,16 MB EDRAM

Remove 512 MB XDR2 and you get upgraded 360,add 512MB XDR2 and you get more upgraded 360

Not a bad thing,if this is true Nintendo fans can jump around like crazy.But this feels like somebody saw rumors and posted some specs.
There is a chance that it comes from a legit source,but the data has been modified so it can't be traced easily.

Either way E3 is very close,more of this stuff is coming for sure.

[TakingBackSunday]

And that's why I think these specs aren't really that far off, considering we've been hearing that the Cafe's architecture is much like the 360s.  I don't think that list is real, but I think we can expect something much like that.

[Oblivion]

Even so, does having twice as much VRAM as the system RAM, and not the other way around, a good thing?

from what I understand, it's not necessarily good OR bad, it's just a decent way to handle RAM on a console.  It's not a PC, its a dedicated game machine.  They don't really need as much RAM as people clamor for.

Does that mean that the breakdown we have right now, 512 MB of main RAM with 1 gig of video RAM would essentially be the same as 1 gig of main RAM with 512 MB of video RAM?

[Shaka Khan]

And that's why I think these specs aren't really that far off, considering we've been hearing that the Cafe's architecture is much like the 360s.

Any dedicated fan attempting to fake specs would probably be aware of this too and fake accordingly.

[TakingBackSunday]

Of course.  But as some peeps over at GAF have said, even if its fake, the guy who made it knows exactly what has been said from all the credible sources and rumors.  Fits the architecture speculation, fits the RAM ramblings, and of course fits the R770 rumor.  I think Cafe will be pretty close to those specs. 

[TakingBackSunday]

Even so, does having twice as much VRAM as the system RAM, and not the other way around, a good thing?

from what I understand, it's not necessarily good OR bad, it's just a decent way to handle RAM on a console.  It's not a PC, its a dedicated game machine.  They don't really need as much RAM as people clamor for.

Does that mean that the breakdown we have right now, 512 MB of main RAM with 1 gig of video RAM would essentially be the same as 1 gig of main RAM with 512 MB of video RAM?

No, but I'm not the expert when it comes to RAM.  The gaffots in the cafe thread there know a ton more about it.

[Oblivion]

Well, either way, if those specs are anywhere close to true, it would be jizz-tastic. Long before we heard any rumors of Cafe's specs, I'd always hoped at minimum it would be as powerful as a 360 (heck, even PS3 level would be okay). To see Cafe been significantly more powerful than either would make me a happy panda. 

[Shaka Khan]

I really don't understand why ANYONE would think a console released in 2012 wouldn't be more powerful than one in 2005. "It's Nintendo!" is not even an acceptable answer, as they could still design a console twice as powerful as the 360 and still sell it for $200. The willingness to accept something that is as good as, or marginally better than the PS360 goes to show how low the standards are for fans and how little they expect of Nintendo. They've been abused for so long, it's time for some healing.

[Oblivion]

Khan, you do realize that the Wii was quite LITERALLY a GC with its CPU and GPU overclocked, right?

[Trent Dole]

1 more week, dudes. Relax and wait for new Smash Bros/ F-Zero/ Metroid!

Oh God oh God

[Shaka Khan]

Khan, you do realize that the Wii was quite LITERALLY a GC with its CPU and GPU overclocked, right?

Yeah, but does that mean that the logical next step is to design a 2005-2006 system just because they missed out on that generation, or to skip it completely and create something more current and competitive like any company would, as they used to do (relatively speaking) before the Wii?

The gamble they took with the Wii was the exception, not the rule, even by Nintendo's standards.

[Trent Dole]

I'd guess 360/ps3 and a half-ish specs, which seems to be what the general word is.

[Diunx]

I thought E3 started today, damn you and your thread magus!

[Shaka Khan]

Honestly, after all is said and done, I can see myself settling for a half generational jump but the rumored specs are beastly compared to the current generation offering.

[pilonv1]

I don't understand 512mb system memory but 1gb of video memory. Extra video memory isn't needed

[Oblivion]

I agree with Kahn, anything less than an actual leap is very disappointing. And for those who defend it just prove they are more for "our team is best" than actually wanting a better gaming experience.

Let's not pretend like anybody, fanboy OR hater, was expecting Nintendo to come anywhere close to what we'd expect of the PS4 or Xbox720. Hell, a good chunk of the Nintendophobes on EB and GAF seemed pleasantly surprised.

That's not to say that I don't want a true generational leap (from 360/PS3 of course). More power is ALWAYS a good thing. Hell, I'm hoping that Sony's little problems with the PS3 don't keep them from going all out with the PS4.

[TakingBackSunday]

I do, simply because it would be absolutely delicious to read GAF when it happens.

[Oblivion]

Meh, at the end of the day, I'd prefer having a system with fuck awesome hardware slightly more than the desire to see bitter Sfag tears.

Then again, Kittonwy IS a massive tool...

[naff]

I don't understand 512mb system memory but 1gb of video memory. Extra video memory isn't needed

As the 360 shows, you can use GDDR for standard system processes as well as graphics (it only has 512 GDDR), it's pretty standard in game dev now from what I understand since 360 did it. If those specs are true I think it looks pretty damn good, and the extra XDR2 is a nice touch.

[maxy]

There is one more thing with those "specs"

Devkit 1.3

Devkits usually have more memory and bigger storage.

[Sho Nuff]

There is one more thing with those "specs"

Devkit 1.3

Devkits usually have more memory and bigger storage.

Unless Cafe is only 256MB ram