The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5

[demi]

finally! a sweet boss. the whip temple boss. awesome fight.

[Owl-faced Wizard]

so far the lttp detractors are brandnew, magoose, and owl-faced wizard

we all know the first two, but i want to shine the spotlight on owl-faced, he's a newcomer to the scene but he's already looking hungry for the shitty taste crown

does he have what it takes to take down the last-boss sceneman, though, is what everyone at home is wondering

I'm not a LttP detractor, I just think while there's not a lot wrong with it there's also nothing really exceptional about it.  Like I said, I've beat it more than the other games, but there are Zeldas I enjoyed more that I've yet to beat because, unlike LttP, they have annoying issues that make me lose interest.  Before the series started going steadily downhill (starting halfway through Wind Waker), I remember saying that while LttP is definitely not the worst Zelda, it's also the only one I couldn't make a decent argument for being the best.

[magus]

I think the biggest gimmick to this game is the motion plus. Every enemy has no AI. They just loop a series of patterns, and you have to slice the correct way. The problem is, motion plus is horrible. You slice sidesways, and Link will do a diagonal, which the game says is incorrect. Or you'll jerk the nunchuck and Link instead does his spin, or flip, which is also incorrect.

Right now I'm fighting this skeleton that moves its swords a certain way, and all I do is walk in a circle and slice at the correct motion. It's really boring.

Sometimes the Motion Plus goes completely haywire, and when you're trying to aim the Beetle, or the Slingshot, Link will go spaz and you have to auto-center the reticule by pressing on the d-pad. It's like they knew this tech is bad and planned for it.

i think demi is exagerating on motion plus precision but to be fair... yeah in the end what he says about combat is right,the goblins are the worst,they never attack they just block so you can just hit them over and over until they block wrong

The Stamina Circle is also a hugely unnecessary addition.

the whole desert would be pointless if there was no stamina bar as you need to keep dashing so you don't sink

there is a weird island on southwest and a guy that ask for help but i have no idea what to do

spoiler (click to show/hide)

he wants me to find some sort of wheel but i have no idea where it is

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EDIT: allright i finished the 3rd dungeon... the biggest challenge? having the motion+ pick up my stabbing motion!

what happens after that?
filler happen!

[Van Cruncheon]

for the record, i really hate lttp as well. i still remember playing it at age 16 and going "this is it?"

[Positive Touch]

remember back in 91 when we had all those other action/adventure games with huge worlds filled with fantastic dungeons, quick pacing, loads of sidequests, secrets, and cutting-egde graphics & fantastic music to boot?  neither do i BECAUSE THERE WERE NONE

SMFH @ these kids (and one crotchety old man)

[demi]

lol, they brought back the ship and gameplay from Wind Waker. A whole segment dedicated to it

[magus]

i got the harp,you play it by waggling your wiimote back and forth and there are no specific song,the game just go "TIME TO WAGGLE" and you do so...

some place have butterflies near them and if you play your harp near these,a statue pops out and gives you a hint but other than that there seems to be no purpouse for it

i also did the first "TRIAL" it works like this,you have 15 thingamajig to get while you are chased by phantoms,if the phantoms hit you,you have to redo the whole thing again but everytime you get a thingamajig,they stop for 90 seconds,there are ghost patroling the area and if they find you,the phantom awaken instantly

so yeah it's like the worst of twilight princess with the worst of phantom hourglass,luckily the zone is not too big so it doesn't take much time and getting enough thingamajig that the phantom never end moving isn't too hard and the ghost aren't fast enough to catch you but still it's more annoying filler especialy considering all of this take place in a zone you have already cleared...

actualy speaking of filler,here's all i had to do to get from dungeon 3 to dungeon 4 just so that you can get an idea,there's no real big spoiler here but i'm putting it in spoiler tags for the especialy wimpy readers

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- return to forest zone to speak with exposition hag
- fight a boss by striking at his incredibily obvious weak spot
- exposition hag tells you to return to the city to talk with the mayor
- go talk with the mayor,he gives you a riddle involving the lighthouse
- go talk with npc near the lighthouse to get an hint involving two windmills
- but wait! one of the windmills is broken,the only way to repair it is to get a missing item but to get the missing item you need to speak with mechanic guy
- go speak with mechanic guy,he needs an item to get you what you need
- luckily you can and probably picked the item already before speaking to him but if you haven't return to desert zone
- return to volcano zone to search for the missing item
- finaly activate that damn lighthouse
- return once again to forest zone
- search for the trial place
- do the trial
- get a new item which let you explore new zone after so much pointless backtracking
- find the npc that reveal dungeon 4
- but wait! npc that reveal dungeon 4 wants a favor done!
- and here comes the point where it gets really really stupid... are you ready?
- 100% sure?
- the favor is to re-do dungeon 1 again! while the enemies are different from your first visit there are no new enemies,there is no new boss,the door are all still opened and the puzzle are already all solved (well there is one door that gets relocked just for shit and giggles i guess)
- of course you still need to return to the npc,ehy at least they don't make you backtrack to the exit of dungeon 1!

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[EmCeeGrammar]

Sounds awesome. 
Re: LttP.  I just recently started playing it for the first time and it is the best Zelda.  Light exposition, varied areas, engaging dungeons, balanced difficulty, simple but clean presentation, and a nice arsenal all round out the package.  Only thing that bugs me is the CCPro is an uncomfortable controller to play anything on.  I'mma take another wack at it when the WiiU tablet is an option.

[demi]

The 2nd half of the game is way better than the first. The quests open up, you have tools to explore environments... etc.

The sandship level was pretty cool, and the boss fight as well.

Still havent found the paper for the bathroom yet... but I did a shitload of other stuff!

[demi]

Oh and btw, still havent been able to fly at night. Despite what a certain someone has said.

Just saying.

[Owl-faced Wizard]

I'm not a LttP detractor, I just think while there's not a lot wrong with it there's also nothing really exceptional about it.

when did you play it ? Did you play it when it came out or after the fact?

After the fact, so I have better perspective.  All my rankings are for how good the games are now, not how good they were when they were released - because that's just silly.

[Great Rumbler]

I'm not a LttP detractor, I just think while there's not a lot wrong with it there's also nothing really exceptional about it.

when did you play it ? Did you play it when it came out or after the fact?

After the fact, so I have better perspective.  All my rankings are for how good the games are now, not how good they were when they were released - because that's just silly.

[Tasty]

Sounds awesome. 
Re: LttP.  I just recently started playing it for the first time and it is the best Zelda.  Light exposition, varied areas, engaging dungeons, balanced difficulty, simple but clean presentation, and a nice arsenal all round out the package.  Only thing that bugs me is the CCPro is an uncomfortable controller to play anything on.  I'mma take another wack at it when the WiiU tablet is an option.

Regular CC is much better for SNES games.

[TakingBackSunday]

I'm not a LttP detractor, I just think while there's not a lot wrong with it there's also nothing really exceptional about it.

when did you play it ? Did you play it when it came out or after the fact?

After the fact, so I have better perspective.  All my rankings are for how good the games are now, not how good they were when they were released - because that's just silly.

This is stealth trolling isn't it 

DC I played A Link to the Past a few years after it came out – I was a small kid, yeah, but my mom got it for me because she knew how much I enjoyed playing Zelda II on my dad's NES.  I remember beating two dungeons and just quitting because I lost interest.

I went back and played it after I beat Ocarina and started really loving Zelda.  I beat it and I was just meh on it.  I remember thinking it was weird how the Zelda game that was in my Gameboy was far more enjoyable for me than the console one.

[Himu]

LttP is the best 2d Zelda.

LA has too much gimmick stuff like solving puzzles on the world map in order to continue.

[TakingBackSunday]

....

that's a gimmick?  I much rather that.

[Himu]

Monkey needs coconut or banana or some shit in order for you to go to the next dungeon so you backtrack alllllllllllllll the way to the beach and then back allllllllllll the way to the monkey. zzz.

lttp is no shit, all da time, boy

[demi]

LttP is the best 2d Zelda.

LA has too much gimmick stuff like solving puzzles on the world map in order to continue.

You're in luck, SS is chock full of this.

[Himu]

LttP is the best 2d Zelda.

LA has too much gimmick stuff like solving puzzles on the world map in order to continue.

You're in luck, SS is chock full of this.

Fuck this game then.

SKYRIM

[magus]

Monkey needs coconut or banana or some shit in order for you to go to the next dungeon so you backtrack alllllllllllllll the way to the beach and then back allllllllllll the way to the monkey. zzz.

lttp is no shit, all da time, boy

man you should read the spoiler i put up above

Oh and btw, still havent been able to fly at night. Despite what a certain someone has said.

Just saying.

i found an island that said something along the line of "you can find blablabla here but only at night!"

[The Sceneman]

Last Boss Sceneman

I'm curious, what's one shit game that I like?

[demi]

Which island? Anything requiring leaving Skyloft you have to sleep in a bed. I have not done a quest that required me to fly at night.

i.e.

- Pumm's Pub for the singing mini-game - sleep in the bed there

- Beedle's Island - sleep in the bed inside while he's at Skyloft

[magus]

ah yes i was refering to beedle island,was there a bed? i didn't notice it

anyway i'm done with dungeon 4,the boss was cool but i'm disappointed with the whip,you'd expect to go all indiana jones on your enemies but instead you press Z to target,you waggle once to snatch and again to pull... they might as well have called the thing "THE WAGGLESHOT" and the name would have been more appropriated

[demi]

There's a goddess chest on his island, and you can only reach it when Beedle is at his island. To do that, you sleep in the bed inside his shack while he's at Skyloft. You can also talk to Beedle here, and see his special bug cage, which is involved with a quest (I dont know how to trigger / reach it).

[Owl-faced Wizard]

Even if you don't pretend there haven't been advancements/higher expectations, there are later games that are worse.  I'm just saying that there are better games.  The Game Boy games even have better graphics.

[Van Cruncheon]

remember back in 91 when we had all those other action/adventure games with huge worlds filled with fantastic dungeons, quick pacing, loads of sidequests, secrets, and cutting-egde graphics & fantastic music to boot?  neither do i BECAUSE THERE WERE NONE

SMFH @ these kids (and one crotchety old man)

i owned this thing called a pc ... and an amiga

[Crushed]

having just finished a LTTP playthrough, there are certain parts in the second half that fall a bit flat.

[Van Cruncheon]

like all the dungeons and boss fights

[Crushed]

like all the dungeons and boss fights

i was lolling because it was literally just spamming the fire rod or arrows or sword slashes until it exploded, even ganon was pretty much that

[demi]

You're in luck, thats majority of Skyward Sword! The first half anyway. The later bosses are much more fun to fight.

[Van Cruncheon]

an amiga

yeah all those shitty euro games sure were great

massive props to the hardware, but almost all of the notable games on the amiga were the kind of shit games you'd find on an unmarked commodore 64 floppy with 20 games on it

even the pc was pretty lacking in decent *action* adventure games in 91 but ultima 6 had just come out so who fuckin' cares

black crypt, dungeon master 1/2, ultima 4-6

[Owl-faced Wizard]

The Game Boy games even have better graphics.

Gameboy Advance i assume (?)

Nono, Link's Awakening and the Oracles.  Goes without saying that Minish Cap is better-looking than LttP.  LttP sometimes looks really good but two thirds of the sprites look like they were done by interns.

EDIT: Amiga was awesome

[Phoenix Dark]

LA>>>>>>>>>>LTTP

[TakingBackSunday]

LA>>>>>>>>>>LTTP

hard yummy truth

[Positive Touch]

LA>>>>>>>>>>LTTP

NO

la was smaller, had shit controls, had an annoying overworld that made you switch items on every screen to progress thanks to the shitty controls, had fetchquest shit like himu mentioned, also those fucking horsehead "puzzles"

its an amazing game, but it had some really notable flaws

[brob]

they should redo links awakening for a system that has more than two fucking buttons. That's the only thing that really bothers me when I play it.

[demi]

Not to mention LA's final boss was mega stupid. Most of the spinoffs do though.

[demi]

I GOT THE MASTER SWORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EVIL BE SCARED

[MCD]

I GOT THE MASTER SWORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EVIL BE SCARED

We all know Biggoron's Sword is the better deal.

[demi]

The Lavisa fight was pretty cool.

From the whip temple on is when the boss fights get actually interesting and fun to fight.

The dungeon involving the Time Cube/Orb is grossly under-utilized.

The tools in this game are rather tame and weak.


And yes, there is a Bow. lol

[Himu]

you just got the master sword? NOW you're in the second half, I'm guessing.

[demi]

No, there's 3 parts to the game

Part 1 - Obtaining the three pieces of the Tablet, which unlocks the world to explore (Result: You need to power up your sword to open the Gate of Time to meet Zelda)

Part 2 - Powering up your sword with the three flames, meaning you're heading back to each area again, but this time you enter a new area for each part (Result: MASTER SWORD)

Part 3 - You finally meet Zelda, who gives you a ton of info and powers up the Master Sword again, but this time you have to find the Triforce. To do this, you're heading back to each area -again- to find three pieces of the Song of the Hero, which will help locate it. (Result: TRIFORCE)

Part End - Fight Not-Ganon, have sex with Zelda

[magus]

ehy demi i think i found your piece of paper but it's kinda complicated

spoiler (click to show/hide)

go to the entrance of the academy and you will find one of groose henchman and he'll ask you to deliver a letter,you can give the letter to who he wants you to give it or you can give it to the toilet hand

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[demi]

What happens if you do either?

[magus]

What happens if you do either?

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i gave it to the girl and the girl refuse him but hook up with the guy with the yellow tunic and you get 5 gratitude crystals...

i tried reloading and give it to the hand but it had no immediate effect... probably if you give the letter to the hand then speak to the guy and then to the hand again you end up with 5 gratitude crystal the same

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http://www.destructoid.com/review-the-legend-of-zelda-skyward-sword-215659.phtml

Along the way, they encounter plenty of people, with concepts of sexuality and gender always bubbling right below the surface. First up is that guy I mentioned previously -- the sexually threatening, emotionally disturbed villain Ghirahim, who seems to represent the idea of unhinged, wholesale abuse of power. Then there is Impa, his female counterpart/nemesis, who similarly blends male and female gender archetypes together while exemplifying the greater virtues commonly associated with both sexes. Largely through dealing with these two characters, Link and Zelda learn what it means to be a man and a woman (respectively).

and this is why i hate everything and we can't have nice things

uh anyway i did the second trials,i'm not sure if i'm inside the 5th dungeon or not,game hasn't sent me back to a previous area to do anything stupid yet so far but i'm still adding a notch for making me refight a previous boss for no real reason

[TakingBackSunday]

fuck I hated that part, I died because I got there with only three hearts and that sunuva bitch scorpion can be kinda tough

[demi]

What scorpion did you fight? The one I fought I just walked backwards in a circle and sliced its eyes. Then I poked the final eye after I blew it from the sand.

Did you unlock a hard mode. Tell me please

[TakingBackSunday]

No it was in the main game: I had just kept a beating from those two Lizalfos and I never carry potions with me.  Also, those electrical blobs kept taking off hearts as well because I was too stupid to realize horizontal slashes did jack shit to them 

The scorpion killed me because I failed at blocking his tail 

[demi]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=32685952&postcount=760

Why doesnt Jarosh post here? What a loser.

At least he agrees the whip temple was good. At least I think that's the whip temple.

[TakingBackSunday]

yeah ancient cistern and the sandboat were awesome.  the boss on the boat

how do you rank this game in relation to past zeldas now that you've gotten to the better parts of this game, demi

[Jamie]

Got my copy today! Played non-stop until the part where you're about to leave Skyloft. Really digging the motion controls and story, now if only the dungeons will match up I'll have enough incentive to actually finish this Zelda!

[magus]

well i've finished dungeon 5,i reached the dungeon without any npc asking me to find 3 kinder eggs,or find his lost kitten,or stare at a wall for 10 minutes,it's a fucking miracle on earth i tell ya

the dungeon,i liked... the temple are so dull and stupid so it was a nice change of pace,the boss too was nice but i had a really stupid problem with it

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i kept doing vertical skyward slash wondering if i was doing any damage since the sound for a succesfull hit played but no actual damage was done,i went like that for like 5 whole minutes until i realized after charging i could do other moves other than vertical slashing...

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[Jamie]

Jamie is it pirated or did you buy it? And if you don't mind in what country do you reside? This could help me out in finding a copy sooner than later.

Hey Wrath, it's a review copy Got it from my friend who finished it for for his article and then loaned it to me!

I do believe they've already started selling copies in store over here already (western Europe). So if you live in Europe it might be worth checking out pop and mom and big chain stores.

[Jamie]

Well that could help cause we saudis get games at about the same time you guys do when its early. Thanks a lot man!

NP. I know what you mean, I've been to Makkah and UAE once before and I definitely noticed everything regarding electronics is there really early! Especially in Dubai.

[demi]

Got the Hylian Shield by doing all 8 boss fights at the Thunder Dragon, woo woo

[demi]

I started Beedle's Horned Colossus quest... but have no idea where to start. Oh well. Someone post if you find a solution... I need like, 13 more Crystals for the vampire.

[demi]

lol, I'm at the final boss. They give one last bit of freedom before the final boss, so I stopped there... will beat the game tomorrow.

[Third]

How would you rate it so far, Demi? Is it better than TP, or better than any previous 3D Zelda games??

I still haven't touched the game. Still playing Xenoblade.

[magus]

so i got all my tool slot filled... does it means i got all of them? cause that would be really fucking lame,like the lamest selection of zelda tool ever

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you get 2 projectile weapons in the bow and slingshot (3 if you want to count the beetle),2 wrap into thing items (the whip and the hookshot) bombs,the gust jar thing and a freaking bug net...

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[demi]

Yes, that's all of them