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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2580 on: September 21, 2012, 03:13:34 AM »
Xbox 316 says I just dropped your frame rate
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2581 on: September 21, 2012, 03:21:31 AM »
xbox 324, deal with it :miyamoto

No reason to bring the PS3 into this. :smug

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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2582 on: September 21, 2012, 04:28:18 AM »
Now the questions is how much stronger the GPU is in the WiiU and how can devs re-enginner games to take advantage of it.  Makes sense now.  I guess this si the price of backwards compatibility.

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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2583 on: September 21, 2012, 04:51:08 AM »
Some jerkoff on B3D and then gaf posted this:



From what I've read of the specs, that particular GPU absolutely destroys Xenos/RSX. Though I'm doubtful it'll be in the Wii-U.

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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2584 on: September 21, 2012, 04:54:39 AM »
Now the questions is how much stronger the GPU is in the WiiU and how can devs re-enginner games to take advantage of it.  Makes sense now.  I guess this si the price of backwards compatibility.

Since it supports GPGPU, I wonder how hard it would be to offload tasks the CPU is traditionally used for to the GPU.

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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2585 on: September 21, 2012, 07:05:02 AM »
Damn, it's kinda scary how closely Wii U resembles the Wii when compared with current gen. consoles at the time.

Wii = Double RAM of Xbox
Wii-U = Double RAM of Xbox360

Wii = CPU weaker than Xbox's CPU
Wii-U = CPU weaker than Xbox 360's CPU.

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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2586 on: September 21, 2012, 07:32:23 AM »
For some reason Nintendo always seems to have at least one thing in their systems that's going to annoy if not keep away developers. I assume the CPU will be good enough for ports from the 360, but if you really want to encourage developers to do them why put so easily avoidable stones in their paths?
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2588 on: September 21, 2012, 08:23:55 AM »
For some reason Nintendo always seems to have at least one thing in their systems that's going to annoy if not keep away developers. I assume the CPU will be good enough for ports from the 360, but if you really want to encourage developers to do them why put so easily avoidable stones in their paths?

Regardless of what their PR says, at the end of the day, Nintendo designs their hardware for Nintendo software in mind.  Developers are just going to have to take it or leave it.

Hopefully Nintendo tries to build some decent relationship with the indie community or else it is going to be Wii-quality third party wares after 2013.
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2589 on: September 21, 2012, 08:48:40 AM »
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2590 on: September 21, 2012, 08:59:05 AM »
For some reason Nintendo always seems to have at least one thing in their systems that's going to annoy if not keep away developers. I assume the CPU will be good enough for ports from the 360, but if you really want to encourage developers to do them why put so easily avoidable stones in their paths?

As T EXP said, they don't really give that much of a shit about third-party developers. Nintendo systems are tailored for Nintendo games, and whatever they want to do with them at that particular time. As for third-party devs, it's "We'll work with you (some), but here's what ya get." MS and Sony (to a lesser extent) have fewer "blockbuster" self-published franchises and depend a lot more on third-parties to push sales, so they're way more open to suggestions from the big publishers and devs when designing their systems.
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2591 on: September 21, 2012, 10:06:01 AM »
Nintendo managed to mimic 360 pretty well,if we go by the public data.

They have one big problem though--expensive touch screen controller.It may turn out to be something totally pointless(like 3D in 3DS--not system seller) or hot new must have thing--time will tell.
One thing is for sure,it will forever balloon WiiU price.

Cheap,reliable,profitable might be a problem if the market says meh...
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2592 on: September 21, 2012, 10:09:27 AM »
I may be a moron, but I also like MonHun now. The two may or may not be related, but there ya go.

Actually if MH still wasn't on Nintendo I would probably just ignore it (like before Tri), unless it started to bomb for some reason.

Bolded for emphasis.

What are you implying?

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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2593 on: September 21, 2012, 10:11:14 AM »
So to recap:

-The largest amount of HDD space available is 32GB.
-Japanese developers "don't understand" how the Nintendo network service works and there may be major issues with online gaming.
-The Wii U CPU is slower than the almost six year old PS3 and almost seven year old 360.
-There are no 1080P games.
-The biggest title for the system is a port of a 3DS game.

Sounds like a winner!
« Last Edit: September 21, 2012, 10:37:51 AM by bork laser »
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2594 on: September 21, 2012, 10:17:46 AM »
I may be a moron, but I also like MonHun now. The two may or may not be related, but there ya go.

Actually if MH still wasn't on Nintendo I would probably just ignore it (like before Tri), unless it started to bomb for some reason.

Bolded for emphasis.

What are you implying?

That you like Monster Hunter games only because they're on Nintendo systems.  This isn't fucking rocket science, kid.  Just own up to being a console warrior fucktard.
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2595 on: September 21, 2012, 10:21:59 AM »
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Sounds like a wiinner!

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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2596 on: September 21, 2012, 10:40:15 AM »
I may be a moron, but I also like MonHun now. The two may or may not be related, but there ya go.

Actually if MH still wasn't on Nintendo I would probably just ignore it (like before Tri), unless it started to bomb for some reason.

Bolded for emphasis.

What are you implying?

That you like Monster Hunter games only because they're on Nintendo systems.  This isn't fucking rocket science, kid.  Just own up to being a console warrior fucktard.

Well duh, that's what I said. Have you been ignoring my posts on this page? ::)

Edit- Actually to clarify, I checked them out because they came to Nintendo systems. I don't like them for that reason; if I did, I probably would have never bought Tri based on the demo. I genuinely like the game itself.

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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2597 on: September 21, 2012, 11:02:47 AM »
So to recap:

-The largest amount of HDD space available is 32GB.
-Japanese developers "don't understand" how the Nintendo network service works and there may be major issues with online gaming.
-The Wii U CPU is slower than the almost six year old PS3 and almost seven year old 360.
-There are no 1080P games.
-The biggest title for the system is a port of a 3DS game.

Sounds like a winner!

Er the largest HDD space is 3 TB with an external drive.

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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2598 on: September 21, 2012, 11:36:58 AM »
Aren't you also really big into Bayonetta now?

Into Bayonetta itself? Nope. But I'm a Platinum fan, and have been since they formed.

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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2599 on: September 21, 2012, 11:51:06 AM »
Andrex, the next question will be which Platinum games you have played. I suspect your answer will be slightly dodgy and the wolves will descend upon your wounded corpse

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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2600 on: September 21, 2012, 11:53:57 AM »
I wouldn't mind being into some Bayonetta cosplayer:

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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2601 on: September 21, 2012, 11:55:02 AM »
Andrex, the next question will be which Platinum games you have played. I suspect your answer will be slightly dodgy and the wolves will descend upon your wounded corpse

Mad World.  Maybe Infinite Space.
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2602 on: September 21, 2012, 12:20:36 PM »
I may be a moron, but I also like MonHun now. The two may or may not be related, but there ya go.

Actually if MH still wasn't on Nintendo I would probably just ignore it (like before Tri), unless it started to bomb for some reason.

Bolded for emphasis.

What are you implying?

That you like Monster Hunter games only because they're on Nintendo systems.  This isn't fucking rocket science, kid.  Just own up to being a console warrior fucktard.

Well duh, that's what I said. Have you been ignoring my posts on this page? ::)

Edit- Actually to clarify, I checked them out because they came to Nintendo systems. I don't like them for that reason; if I did, I probably would have never bought Tri based on the demo. I genuinely like the game itself.

If you weren't a console warrior, you'd buy a PS2 and play Kingdom Hearts instead of port begging for a WiiU version of KH 1.5 HD Remix.
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2603 on: September 21, 2012, 12:41:16 PM »

If you weren't a console warrior, you'd buy a PS2 and play Kingdom Hearts instead of port begging for a WiiU version of KH 1.5 HD Remix.

Ah ha! I did buy KH, KH2, and CoM for PS2!

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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2604 on: September 21, 2012, 12:43:51 PM »
I may be a moron, but I also like MonHun now. The two may or may not be related, but there ya go.

Actually if MH still wasn't on Nintendo I would probably just ignore it (like before Tri), unless it started to bomb for some reason.

Bolded for emphasis.

What are you implying?

That you like Monster Hunter games only because they're on Nintendo systems.  This isn't fucking rocket science, kid.  Just own up to being a console warrior fucktard.

Well duh, that's what I said. Have you been ignoring my posts on this page? ::)

Edit- Actually to clarify, I checked them out because they came to Nintendo systems. I don't like them for that reason; if I did, I probably would have never bought Tri based on the demo. I genuinely like the game itself.

If you weren't a console warrior, you'd buy a PS2 and play Kingdom Hearts instead of port begging for a WiiU version of KH 1.5 HD Remix.

Andrex can get a copy of Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2 for $20 on Amazon and play it on PCSX2 or with a good PS2 + 8 MB memory card from a reliable seller for just a few dollars more than a Wii U game.
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2605 on: September 21, 2012, 12:51:52 PM »
Nintendo managed to mimic 360 pretty well,if we go by the public data.

They have one big problem though--expensive touch screen controller.It may turn out to be something totally pointless(like 3D in 3DS--not system seller) or hot new must have thing--time will tell.
One thing is for sure,it will forever balloon WiiU price.

Cheap,reliable,profitable might be a problem if the market says meh...

they'll ditch that tablet and start packing in the Wii60 controller in a flat second
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2606 on: September 21, 2012, 01:33:20 PM »
Aren't you also really big into Bayonetta now?

Into Bayonetta itself? Nope. But I'm a Platinum fan, and have been since they formed.

Andrex, the next question will be which Platinum games you have played. I suspect your answer will be slightly dodgy and the wolves will descend upon your wounded corpse

Seriously...hasn't Andrex never owned a PS3 and 360?  Mad World on Wii really ain't that great due to the controls.  Thankfully Anarchy Reigns is 1000 times better.  So even if Bayonetta 2 ends up as ass, at least Bayonetta is playable in a GOOD game.  :p
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« Reply #2607 on: September 21, 2012, 01:34:07 PM »
Aren't you also really big into Bayonetta now?

Into Bayonetta itself? Nope. But I'm a Platinum fan, and have been since they formed.

Andrex, the next question will be which Platinum games you have played. I suspect your answer will be slightly dodgy and the wolves will descend upon your wounded corpse

Seriously...hasn't Andrex never owned a PS3 and 360?  Mad World on Wii really ain't that great due to the controls.  Thankfully Anarchy Reigns is 1000 times better.

I don't think he's ever owned a non-Nintendo system.
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2608 on: September 21, 2012, 03:00:31 PM »
I wouldn't mind being into some Bayonetta cosplayer:

(not really NSFW but a big pic)
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2609 on: September 21, 2012, 03:13:58 PM »
"Owned" is a strong word...

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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2610 on: September 21, 2012, 03:52:47 PM »
"Owned" is a strong word...

I take it your lack of a proper response means that you haven't played anything from Platinum Games.
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2611 on: September 21, 2012, 03:54:06 PM »
No no, I have. I was responding to the other consoles thing.

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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2612 on: September 21, 2012, 04:39:25 PM »
I agree. Despite all the ribbing and the fact we all have preferences or lack of preferences, none of us here are really console warriors. About every person in this thread has owned a ps3, 360, AND a wii and those that haven't (Gundam) really don't care about the other consoles enough to damage for the console they own. The Bore is the wrong place to take console warrior stuff, Andy. That's for gaf.
« Last Edit: September 21, 2012, 04:41:54 PM by Stringer Bell »
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2613 on: September 21, 2012, 04:43:16 PM »
I love MadWorld, but lets be honest here Andrex. Did you ever actually try out, want to play or even cared about Bayonetta before 2 became Wii U exclusive.

I've never even see you mention the game until that announcement.

I actually didn't like MadWorld and was sort of sad that Kamiya's game went to the other platforms. I have fond memories of the original DMC at my friends house, although I don't think we ever beat it.

I was also hyped as hell for Vanquish. Mikami became one of my favorite devs after RE4.

I agree. Despite all the ribbing and the fact we all have preferences or lack of preferences, none of us here are really console warriors. About every person in this thread has owned a ps3, 360, AND a wii. The Bore is the wrong place to take console warrior stuff, Andy. That's for gaf.

Who says I'm console warrioring?

There is literally nothing for me to gain from posting here other than people constantly bashing me for the types of games I like and second-guessing my motivations because of console preference.

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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2614 on: September 21, 2012, 04:44:51 PM »
Toughen up! How often do you think I have to deal with a Shenmue hate fest?! My tastes don't align with everyone else's but I make my case, they do (or don't) respect that, and we leave it at that.
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2615 on: September 21, 2012, 04:47:46 PM »
Obviously I am, as I'm still posting here.

It doesn't really get to me, because I find it a quiet irony when people get mad over what games I play just like the fanboys they constantly lambast.

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« Reply #2616 on: September 21, 2012, 04:53:47 PM »
Toughen up! How often do you think I have to deal with a Shenmue hate fest?!

Not often enough.

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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2617 on: September 21, 2012, 04:59:01 PM »
Himu doesnt take it very well. Look at the JGR thread of him flabbing his arms around.
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2618 on: September 21, 2012, 05:00:26 PM »
Some comments I made about Bayonetta and Vanquish:

"...how could you not get Bayonetta after those commercials. Damn. Even I wanted to buy it after those." -July 22, 2010

"In Mikami I trust. Hoping for a PC version. :(" -October 19, 2010

"Just watched GT's [Vanquish] review. I have no doubt that if I owned this game it would easily make it to my top 5 favorite games of all time." -October 19, 2010

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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2619 on: September 21, 2012, 05:06:15 PM »
I'm sad you didn't get a chance to play one of your top 5 games of all time because of your nintendo loyalty
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2620 on: September 21, 2012, 05:07:56 PM »
Less loyalty these days and more pragmatism. I don't have time to play much games these days (that's why Nintendo consoles are a perfect fit for me! hyukhyukhyuk) Didn't even have a 3DS until a few weeks ago.

Of the five Wii games I've bought this year, I have beaten exactly zero.
« Last Edit: September 21, 2012, 05:09:34 PM by Andrex »

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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2621 on: September 21, 2012, 05:52:08 PM »
What bothers me more than Andrex's aggravating coyness is everyone else's desire to convert him.  I'm sure he's poked at games on his android things and computer and who gives a fuck if he doesn't wind up on your ex bawx friends list at some point. *spits*

Me?  I'm poor.  I generally don't buy multiple consoles ever since I learned my lesson with cube/ps2/gba/psp and stick to what I like, ie nintendo stuff with the occassional bone thrown my way otherwise.  Because believe it or not I don't need 10 engrossing experiences a year validated by the gaming collective as necessary for life affirming purposes.  2-3 replayable games does the trick and I save a bunch of money that would be wasted on a festering backlog otherwise. 
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2622 on: September 21, 2012, 06:58:38 PM »
How the hell are you guys still doing this.
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2623 on: September 21, 2012, 06:59:14 PM »
https://twitter.com/IBMWatson/status/248929547842641920

This thing's a goddamned trainwreck.  :-\

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Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2624 on: September 21, 2012, 07:02:53 PM »

I actually didn't like MadWorld and was sort of sad that Kamiya's game went to the other platforms. I have fond memories of the original DMC at my friends house, although I don't think we ever beat it.

I was also hyped as hell for Vanquish. Mikami became one of my favorite devs after RE4.


After RE4, eh?

It did came out on wii
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2625 on: September 21, 2012, 08:12:19 PM »
-There are no 1080P games.

Link? I missed this!
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« Reply #2626 on: September 21, 2012, 08:22:57 PM »
So... did we actually get a list of what Platinum games Andrex has actually played?


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« Reply #2627 on: September 21, 2012, 08:33:47 PM »
So... did we actually get a list of what Platinum games Andrex has actually played?

Does it matter? No.

Who had played Platinum's games before MadWorld and Bayonetta? No one. Yet people were still hyped for those.

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« Reply #2628 on: September 21, 2012, 08:37:31 PM »
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Who had played Platinum's games before MadWorld and Bayonetta? No one. Yet people were still hyped for those.

case in point - Madworld was awful. Meaning that hype can be vastly misplaced if you don't bother to actually play the games.

So - you're hype for Bayonetta 2 is based on hype for the vids you saw of it back in 2010?

(yes, of course it matters)
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« Reply #2629 on: September 21, 2012, 08:39:43 PM »
So... did we actually get a list of what Platinum games Andrex has actually played?

Does it matter? No.


sounds like the nthings mad
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2630 on: September 21, 2012, 08:45:05 PM »
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Who had played Platinum's games before MadWorld and Bayonetta? No one. Yet people were still hyped for those.

case in point - Madworld was awful. Meaning that hype can be vastly misplaced if you don't bother to actually play the games.

So - you're hype for Bayonetta 2 is based on hype for the vids you saw of it back in 2010?

(yes, of course it matters)

I'm hyped for Bayonetta 2 based on its pedigree, the people behind it, and the word of mouth and reviews of its predecessor.

Same as the first game.

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« Reply #2631 on: September 21, 2012, 09:07:52 PM »
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Same as the first game.

so you were hyped for Bayonetta (but didn't play it) , so hyped for Vanquish it would have been a top 5 game of yours (but didn't play it)

why not buy a cheap X360 and find out how they are -first- before spunking $300+ on a Wii U whilst you wait XX months for Bayonetta 2?

Did you bother playing MadWorld?


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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2632 on: September 21, 2012, 09:10:44 PM »
i did, back when i had a wii(s)

it was 30 mins of "hey this isn't too bad" followed by the realization that those same 30 mins would be repeated for the next 4-6 hours
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« Reply #2633 on: September 21, 2012, 09:13:30 PM »
so you were hyped for Bayonetta (but didn't play it) , so hyped for Vanquish it would have been a top 5 game of yours (but didn't play it)

why not buy a cheap X360 and find out how they are -first- before spunking $300+ on a Wii U whilst you wait XX months for Bayonetta 2?

Because by getting a Wii U I can play two brand-new Platinum games, as well as new Nintendo games.

Did you bother playing MadWorld?

I beat MadWorld.

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« Reply #2634 on: September 21, 2012, 09:15:44 PM »
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Because by getting a Wii U I can play two brand-new Platinum games, as well as new Nintendo games

They are ALL NEW to you if you didn't play the X360/PS3 games - if you bought an X360 and played Bayo/Vanq they'd be as fresh as they were.


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I beat MadWorld.

and it didn't temper your hype in any way?
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2635 on: September 21, 2012, 10:18:45 PM »
It's on my list. Things are always on my list...

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« Reply #2636 on: September 21, 2012, 11:06:18 PM »
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i think it would be pretty disingenuous to say andrex is the only person around here who spins for consoles/companies he likes

No one on here would be dumb enough to be a fan of a company and not play the games.
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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2637 on: September 21, 2012, 11:10:25 PM »
That's the thing, though.  I would suggest that he's not a fan of the company or even the games... as much as he's a fan of the fact that that company is putting out games on a Nintendo console.
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« Reply #2638 on: September 21, 2012, 11:19:31 PM »
No, I really am a fan of Monster Hunter. It spits in the face of the kinds of games I hate seeing infect the industry and has genuinely fun, addictive arcade-like gameplay.

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Re: Weeooooooo (Whimsy Wii U Thread)
« Reply #2639 on: September 21, 2012, 11:29:11 PM »
Just think, if you weren't so busy being a dick sucking fanthing, you could have been enjoying that gameplay you supposedly admire so much for years now!  Unless, of course, it's somehow LESS CLEAN on a non-Nintendo system.
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