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[DCharlieJP]

HAY GUYS DO YOU WANT COD NOW WITHOUT ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND WITH THE CONTRAST TURNED UP AND WITH MORE COLOURS ?

YOU DO!?

WELL WHY NOT BUY THE BUDGET WIIU AT ONLY TWICE THE PRICE OF THE X360, YOU CAN NOW PLAY COD ON YOUR OWN!!!!

NOW YOU CAN CALL ALL YOUR FRIENDS A N-WORD -J-WORD -F-WORD LOSER!*





* - with a 30 minute delay.

> HEY YOU WANT TO PLAY COD? I ONLY HAVE AN HOUR, FEGULON!
30 minutes pass
>> SURE, FBALLS! LETS DO IT!
30 minutes pass
....
transmissions end. Game time clock update : +0.00

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Yeah but nobody does it better than Nintendo.  Nobody.

[pilonv1]

2007 - FPS no longer terribly uncreative genre for Sonyers
2012 - FPS no longer terribly uncreative genre for Ntards

[Damian79]

HAY GUYS DO YOU WANT COD NOW WITHOUT ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND WITH THE CONTRAST TURNED UP AND WITH MORE COLOURS ?

YOU DO!?

WELL WHY NOT BUY THE BUDGET WIIU AT ONLY TWICE THE PRICE OF THE X360, YOU CAN NOW PLAY COD ON YOUR OWN!!!!

NOW YOU CAN CALL ALL YOUR FRIENDS A N-WORD -J-WORD -F-WORD LOSER!*





* - with a 30 minute delay.

> HEY YOU WANT TO PLAY COD? I ONLY HAVE AN HOUR, FEGULON!
30 minutes pass
>> SURE, FBALLS! LETS DO IT!
30 minutes pass
....
transmissions end. Game time clock update : +0.00

You assume COD will be online.

[Tasty]

2007 - FPS no longer terribly uncreative genre for Sonyers
2012 - FPS no longer terribly uncreative genre for Ntards

Metroid Prime?

[pilonv1]

FPA

[Tasty]

FPA

So creative it invented a new genre, apparently!

[Great Rumbler]

Geist

[Tasty]

[cool breeze]

fwiw, I think it's cool third parties aren't abandoning the pointer controls for the WiiU version.  And that local multiplayer thing (one on the TV, one on the pad) is swell.

I'm not all that interested in these multiplatform games since most come to PC these days.  The kinds of stuff I'd buy are a Virtua Cop collection or Silent Scope or other arcade game ports.  Ghost Squad is one of the best Wii games, and the most I've used my Move was for HotD4.

Not so much this:

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Maybe a little bit for $5

[close]

[Takao]

I want to know what Scamco was smoking when they decided to make TANK! TANK! TANK! (All caps and exclamation marks required) a retail release.

[archnemesis]

Why not? That's one of the more interesting-looking launch titles.

[pilonv1]

Why not? That's one of the more interesting-looking launch titles.

faint praise

[DCharlieJP]

X720/PS4 : Diminishing returns, lol
Wii U : OMFG 2% better! #brofist

Is basically where we are headed

[pilonv1]

Don't forget Wii U lead versions with 720/PS4 up-ports

[DCharlieJP]

and Wii U lead versions for X360/PS4 with port downs for those lesser consoles. That's DEFINITELY going to happen.

[archnemesis]

I could see that being true for a handful of exceptions. Having a secondary touchscreen is awesome in games like Professor Layton, Inazuma Eleven and Etrian Odyssey. I doubt any of them will make it to the Wii U though.

[Third]

I don't get the wiitab praise. I'm sure it'll be great for mini games. But it looks really gimmicky and distracting in other games.

Remote gameplay sounds nice though. But not many games will use it, I think.

[archnemesis]

Oh, I agree with you when it comes to those games Borys.

Remote play doesn't appeal to me at all. The PS3 has had it for years (for some titles) and I've only tried it once. If someone is hogging the TV then I can play games on another system or pick up a book.

[Joe Molotov]

I don't get the wiitab praise.

Who's praising it? Ninfans. Who's it released by? Nintendo.

[Fifstar]

X720/PS4 : Diminishing returns, lol
Wii U : OMFG 2% better! #brofist

Is basically where we are headed

 

[Shaka Khan]

X720/PS4 : Diminishing returns, lol
Wii U : OMFG 2% better! #brofist

Is basically where we are headed

Haha, so true.

[headwalk]

I want to know what Scamco was smoking when they decided to make TANK! TANK! TANK! (All caps and exclamation marks required) a retail release.

it's a reference to their ceo's comments regarding the wiiu's prospects when he was delivered a spec sheet.

[cool breeze]

Remote play, per se, is awesome for every single game out there - for those short bursts when you do not feel like turning the TV on.

But it alone is not enough in order to pick the same game on the Wii U over a picture perfect (1080p, 60fps, AA, texture mods etc.) PC version. Nor is the added, superficial WiiTab crap that more than often will end like the DS 2nd screen usage ie. being relegated to Inventory and Map screen.

Zombie U has some clever Wii U tab usage but it looks like it will feel tiring and annoying after 40 minutes of play.

Remote play is cool.  I want the community to get the pad working on PC.  It has more value as an accessory, to me.  I wouldn't pay more for worse versions of the same game just to use the feature.

If anyone has a Vita (...) and PS3, one or two games were updated with the newer remote play system.  I tried Shadow of the Colossus and it's a pretty big improvement over the PSP's remote play.  Games are actually playable now.  It (presumably) can't compare with Wii U, since the image quality isn't great and there's still a bit of lag, but it's neat to try and get a feel for it.

For dual screen games I just want something with complicated controls like Chou Soujuu Mecha MG or an Infinite Space where all the gameplay is on the pad and your TV serves as the ship's viewscreen.  So far there's nothing interesting done for single player games.

[Cerveza mas fina]

There is no lag on WiiU pad play.

[Damian79]

So people at neogaf are comparing the 6670 to the 4870 and they found it to be about 25% weaker than the 4870.  Sounds about right for porting the game from the 360.

[DCharlieJP]

honest question: how does the modified 6670 run with the wattage that the wii U will have available?

At the moment, i expect Wii U to produce results about inline with my MBP2010 model.

[Damian79]

I assume that the 6670 uses about 100 watts because 1 6670 requires 400 watt power supply and 2 in crossfire mode requires 500 watt power supply.  Since the GPU is embedded next to the cpu it needs less i assume.  Its been a while since i have looked at these kinds of things.  Also if it uses the 28 nm tech it will uses even less.

[Van Cruncheon]

the e6670 versus the e4690? it's definitely an embedded part. i have it on pretty good authority that it's STILL an e4690 (which wasn't far off from my off-the-cuff 4670m prediction, go me!) but that could have changed just because all the e4690 fab lines are now e6670 ones? ultimately, fuck if i know. i don't pay much attention to low-end gpus.

the e4870 was for general engineering prototyping kits ONLY (not wii u kits, lab prototyping kits for modeling environments). i don't think it EVER got much of a production run, and if i recall correctly, it was 2/3rds the perf of the e4690? memory is hazy, since the presentation was eons ago

i suppose an e6670 is plausible, but geez, the embedded parts are even soggier than the equivalent mobility solutions

edit: http://www.digitimes.com.tw/tw/B2B/Seminar/Service/download/0519901260/990121DTF_01-1.pdf - -slides 16-18. e4870 *is* more powerful the e4690, duh (sometimes the numbering is suspect, i blame intel for making me question model numbering schemes), but man i remember being kinda confused by the amd rep in general. it probably didn't help that NOBODY FUCKING CARES ABOUT EMBEDDED PARTS

[Van Cruncheon]

in short, the wii u continues nintendo's established trend of shitty behind-the-times hardware and at this point we're just quibbling over the per-turd peanut count

[Damian79]

I really dont know why Nintendo even try for the high end *cough* market it is kind of stupid imo.  They can but it isnt their business model style.  So they are going for a high end market with shitty hardware and shitty business model.  Recipe for disaster.  Nintendo should re aim the same market as the wii, kids and peopel who dont like consoles.

[DCharlieJP]

I don't think they are going for the high end market. I mean - strategically - this has nothing to do with hitting the "high end", only a segment of the fans think they are.

[Damian79]

Then there is no problem then and they shouldnt try to get ports of games.  They should embrace new software for their console.  Who the hell woudl buy the system for ports?

[archnemesis]

Who the hell woudl buy the system for ports?

People who only play games on Nintendo systems?

[Damian79]

Who the hell woudl buy the system for ports?

People who only play games on Nintendo systems?

people who only play nintendo systems dont buy third party software anyway.

[archnemesis]

I don't think that's true. Take a look at Andrex and his newfound love for Monster Hunter. He was also interested in the worst version of Metal Gear Solid 3.

[Takao]

if marco's that guy who used to have a teddy ruxpin avatar, he's a fucking moron.  i would advise not reading anything he writes lest your brain melt.

He's the guy who wrote the Steve Jobs x Nintendo fan fiction after the Nintendo E3 bust. He's also pretty crazy thinking Lord Nintendo can do no wrong, and that the Wii U's success is not only guaranteed, it'll also push 3DS sales to another level.

Basically:

[benjipwns]

I think everyone should be on the same page. The Wii was distinctly different until Kinect.

Every semi-attractive female I know liked Guitar Hero and various Wii things. These two setups were epic to have during that period. A small couple are people who played SNES/Genesis games, like one who really loves Donkey Kong Country way too much (hates 2 but loves 3...WTF), but most of the rest maybe played Duck Hunt or Tetris or Bejeweled or some Mario. My 80 year old grandmother never played a video game in her life, barely understood the concept, but enjoyed Wii Bowling because hey, it's like at the alley back in the day when we let loose after the sock hop, but on my TV! Anecdotes, of course.**

Who wants the Wii U, except for people who think it's an iPad like Wii add-on? You're not going to get that this time. Especially with what they have shown*.

And you know there's no chance the Kinect next gen isn't part of the 720 or Durango or whatever it is. At least as a bundle. The Wii U bundles aren't even coming with Wiimotes* (since you need motion plus from now on) are they?!?

*Without a new and innovative Wii Sports, who wants this at launch? I know I know, with the name and shit people will just think it's a new Wii game. And that's the point.

**EDIT: To add to this, my mother enjoyed Wii Sports for what it was, but only just in the last six months discovered Wii Sports Resort with the swordfighting game (maybe she'll play the rest someday) when I got some wiimotionpluses through that FlingSmash giveaway from Best Buy, along with when I was home for a bit seeing Mario Kart Wii (she used to love playing Super Mario Kart two decades ago and this was her first return to the franchise since). Couldn't get it to work online with their wifi, though I'm sorta afraid to make it work...

[DCharlieJP]

And you know there's no chance the Kinect next gen isn't part of the 720

it's not. Sorry.

[benjipwns]

I'm pretty sure society will collapse without more Dance Central. At least we know who to blame.

[pilonv1]

I can't tell how to take benji's posts in this thread now.

I've said it before, and I'll reiterate it now: this system has no meaningful market past the Nintendo faithful.  I'm betting it tops out at 20-30 mill WW, same as Gamecube and N64.

I think they've got 6-12 months to make hay while the sun shines, but once the new consoles are out they're SOL outside of the market you mention. They'll get some early adopters on board because it's the first new console in six years, out just before Xmas, and here it's relatively well priced compared to competition. I think the real killer is going to be what helped the Wii - word of mouth.

[benjipwns]

I can't tell how to take benji's posts in this thread now.

I was just mostly rewording GAF posts the other day or extrapolating to what they'll say next. Thread has just been too anti-Nintendo. It's like people are forgetting these are the folks who made Zelda and Metroid and Wii Sports and Wii Party. They aren't going to abandon the real gamer.

I think there's posts a while back where I'm agreeing with Oscar and crew that I just don't know who wants this. If they know it's not a Wii add-on.  And based on this page, we're still all in agreement about this.

Also, I had just assumed there would be a Kinect bundle + "hardcore" bundle for next Xbawk. But apparently not?

Nintendo just needs to deliver the innovative gameplay we expect. Who cares about graphics?

The best games of the year are FTL and Thirty Flights of Loving, I think the Wii U could handle them.

[Human Snorenado]

I've said it before, and I'll reiterate it now: this system has no meaningful market past the Nintendo faithful.  I'm betting it tops out at 20-30 mill WW, same as Gamecube and N64.

Seeing as how this generation will probably last even LONGER than the current one (because it will be the LAST) I actually see it capable of selling 40-50 million units.  That is not a compliment.

[Tasty]

I can't tell how to take benji's posts in this thread now.

I was gonna post the same thing.

I've said it before, and I'll reiterate it now: this system has no meaningful market past the Nintendo faithful.  I'm betting it tops out at 20-30 mill WW, same as Gamecube and N64.

Seeing as how this generation will probably last even LONGER than the current one (because it will be the LAST) I actually see it capable of selling 40-50 million units.  That is not a compliment.

That is what I'm predicting.

Edit- The sales, not the other junk.

[Human Snorenado]

There's no feasible way this thing sells 40-50 million in a normal 5 year console lifespan.  None.  Zero.  I will legally change my name to Tom Nook's Bitch if it does.

[Eel O'Brian]

i agree with COG that this'll be the longest generation for hardware, but i also think it'll be the shortest generation for retail "on store shelves" games

[Human Snorenado]

Maybe (HOPEFULLY) for 720/PSquad, but the weeeeeoooooo won't have the necessary hardware to support dl'ing games.  (oh wait, we were talking about ACTUAL NEXT GEN stuff.  my bad )

[Eel O'Brian]

Maybe (HOPEFULLY) for 720/PSquad, but the weeeeeoooooo won't have the necessary hardware to support dl'ing games.  (oh wait, we were talking about ACTUAL NEXT GEN stuff.  my bad )

[maxy]

i agree with COG that this'll be the longest generation for hardware, but i also think it'll be the shortest generation for retail "on store shelves" games

I expect game sizes to balloon a lot next gen.Don't be surprised if you see multiple 50 GB blu-ray discs games.

They will mysteriously shrink for DD services though.

[Tasty]

Maybe (HOPEFULLY) for 720/PSquad, but the weeeeeoooooo won't have the necessary hardware to support dl'ing games.  (oh wait, we were talking about ACTUAL NEXT GEN stuff.  my bad )

  You can DL full games from day one.

[Human Snorenado]

Maybe (HOPEFULLY) for 720/PSquad, but the weeeeeoooooo won't have the necessary hardware to support dl'ing games.  (oh wait, we were talking about ACTUAL NEXT GEN stuff.  my bad )

  You can DL full games from day one.

And store them on what, fuckbreath?

[archnemesis]

And store them on what, fuckbreath?

Aren't you supposed to be able to use any USB 2.0 external HDD?

[Human Snorenado]

And store them on what, fuckbreath?

Aren't you supposed to be able to use any USB 2.0 external HDD?

STOP TALKING SENSE AT ME

[Tasty]

And store them on what, fuckbreath?

Aren't you supposed to be able to use any USB 2.0 external HDD?

And SD cards.

[archnemesis]

SD cards are fine for smaller games, but for full retail releases you'll probably need several hundred GB.

[cool breeze]

I expect game sizes to balloon a lot next gen.Don't be surprised if you see multiple 50 GB blu-ray discs games.

They will mysteriously shrink for DD services though.

It would be interesting to see what game would even fill a 50 gig disk, unless we're talking uncompressed everything.  Makes me wonder if these companies won't just learn from PC and release multiple files for digital copies.  Games like Skyrim, Crysis 2, and Sleeping Dogs have addition downloads for high texture packs.  Some are close to 4 gigs.  Still, Skyrim's base is only like ~6 gigs because it reuses a lot.

I think some games on the PSN are 10 to 14 gigs.  Biggest I've seen on PC are Max Payne 3 or Rage at around 30 gigs.  Rage is kinda sloppy at that, so if they included better textures it would be much bigger.

[Tasty]

SD cards are fine for smaller games, but for full retail releases you'll probably need several hundred GB.

3DS supports cards up to 128 GB (unofficially.) Although I've heard that might not be optimal for Wii U since the games could be over the filesystem limits.

[tiesto]

I can't tell how to take benji's posts in this thread now.

I was just mostly rewording GAF posts the other day or extrapolating to what they'll say next. Thread has just been too anti-Nintendo. It's like people are forgetting these are the folks who made Zelda and Metroid and Wii Sports and Wii Party. They aren't going to abandon the real gamer.

I think there's posts a while back where I'm agreeing with Oscar and crew that I just don't know who wants this. If they know it's not a Wii add-on.  And based on this page, we're still all in agreement about this.

Also, I had just assumed there would be a Kinect bundle + "hardcore" bundle for next Xbawk. But apparently not?

Nintendo just needs to deliver the innovative gameplay we expect. Who cares about graphics?

The best games of the year are FTL and Thirty Flights of Loving, I think the Wii U could handle them.

Yeah, honestly I found nearly all of the games I liked this gen weren't really anything to write home about in the technical graphics department (art style notwithstanding). Mirror's Edge maybe? And Xenoblade was a technical showpiece even though it was hampered by being on the Wii. So the lack of high tech in Nintendo's systems never really bothered me too much. I don't think WiiU will be a failure by any means (if the NYCC lines to play were anything to go by) but I doubt it will have the lightning-in-a-bottle appeal the original did. Sure I'll like it better than the next thing from MS though

I'm the kind of person who will go out and buy a top-of-the-line computer and use it to play games like FTL, Noitu Love 2, and glorified RPGmaker games though

[tiesto]

After buying my townhouse "rich" is hardly what you can describe me as. Especially after my garage door opener, washing machine and car fusebox all decided to die in the same week.

[Mr. Gundam]

After buying my townhouse "rich" is hardly what you can describe me as. Especially after my garage door opener, washing machine and car fusebox all decided to die in the same week.

Welcome to homeownership.

The other week we had to have our massive tree trimmed, had to call a plumber to clear a blockage in the lines going out to the sewer and I had to fix our fridge.