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[parallax]

hes a fanboy. but he hasnt said anything stupid like that that im aware of.

so nintendo fans stay seclusively inside a nintendo balloon? how fucking miserable would that be? i mean, what did they play for the majority of the wiis lifespan?

Eh, in all honesty, it's really not that weird. I mean, it's weird if we're talking about people on message boards like GAF who seem to live, eat, and breathe gaming but stay exclusive to one platform, but actually know several people in real life who like video games, but aren't diehard fans. And among them, there's like 3 people that I can personally think of that for whatever reason just stick with Nintendo. They like Mario and Zelda and whatever else, and they play whatever else interests them.

so then why would someone like that garner interest in a series that theyve ignored up until now?

[Huff]

More as he has never owned a non nintendo machine. Isn't that what you were referring to?

[Steve Youngblood]

hes a fanboy. but he hasnt said anything stupid like that that im aware of.

Are you not aware of him becoming the biggest Monster Hunter fan ever after it came out on the Wii?

[parallax]

More as he has never owned a non nintendo machine. Isn't that what you were referring to?

youre joking right? hes actually admitted this?

hes a fanboy. but he hasnt said anything stupid like that that im aware of.

Are you not aware of him becoming the biggest Monster Hunter fan ever after it came out on the Wii?

but hes played the portable series though, hasnt he?

[Steve Youngblood]

so then why would someone like that garner interest in a series that theyve ignored up until now?

Because now they can play it on the machine that they own.

[parallax]

so then why would someone like that garner interest in a series that theyve ignored up until now?

Because now they can play it on the machine that they own.

its not like it would be too much of an effort to have played any of them before now. most computers can emulate the psx, and that has tekken 3 on it. it just seems odd to do something like that. it would be like someone saying that they are finally gonna play final fantasy 7-9 or tactics because they are coming out on the 3ds. if you havent played them by now, why do you even care?

[Steve Youngblood]

its not like it would be too much of an effort to have played any of them before now. most computers can emulate the psx, and that has tekken 3 on it. it just seems odd to do something like that. it would be like someone saying that they are finally gonna play final fantasy 7-9 or tactics because they are coming out on the 3ds. if you havent played them by now, why do you even care?

Well, again, I think it depends on what audience you're talking about. The core gaming audience that is in the know about all this crap, or people that just like games. For instance, a couple of the friends I have that I mentioned earlier? They compute on crappy laptops and don't have controllers for their computer. They wouldn't waste more than ten minutes on trying to get ePSXe up and running before they said fuck it. I get this type; they value convenience.

Now, if we segue back to the hardcore audience, then I'll join you in derisive laughter because I assume we're focusing our attention on the crowd that is excited about Tekken Tag after ~15 years of thinking that Smash Bros. was the only important fighting series.

[parallax]

its not like it would be too much of an effort to have played any of them before now. most computers can emulate the psx, and that has tekken 3 on it. it just seems odd to do something like that. it would be like someone saying that they are finally gonna play final fantasy 7-9 or tactics because they are coming out on the 3ds. if you havent played them by now, why do you even care?

Well, again, I think it depends on what audience you're talking about. The core gaming audience that is in the know about all this crap, or people that just like games. For instance, a couple of the friends I have that I mentioned earlier? They compute on crappy laptops and don't have controllers for their computer. They wouldn't waste more than ten minutes on trying to get ePSXe up and running before they said fuck it. I get this type; they value convenience.

Now, if we segue back to the hardcore audience, then I'll join you in derisive laughter because I assume we're focusing our attention on the crowd that is excited about Tekken Tag after ~15 years of thinking that Smash Bros. was the only important fighting series.

yeah, core gamers are one thing, im not gonna stress that at all knowing people like that, but people that are in the know and do shit like this? they sound fucking ridiculous.

[Joe Molotov]

am i the only one shocked at the "this is my first time playing XXX" comments when it gets released on the wii u? i mean, people have never played a tekken game before now, and are jumping in right now? why? if ive avoided a series for a decade, im not gonna jump in because its on a new system.

something something Nintendo fan something

so nintendo fans stay seclusively inside a nintendo balloon? how fucking miserable would that be? i mean, what did they play for the majority of the wiis lifespan?

Sales charts for the first three years, after than their DS's.

[Takao]

hes a fanboy. but he hasnt said anything stupid like that that im aware of.

so nintendo fans stay seclusively inside a nintendo balloon? how fucking miserable would that be? i mean, what did they play for the majority of the wiis lifespan?

Eh, in all honesty, it's really not that weird. I mean, it's weird if we're talking about people on message boards like GAF who seem to live, eat, and breathe gaming but stay exclusive to one platform, but actually know several people in real life who like video games, but aren't diehard fans. And among them, there's like 3 people that I can personally think of that for whatever reason just stick with Nintendo. They like Mario and Zelda and whatever else, and they play whatever else interests them.

so then why would someone like that garner interest in a series that theyve ignored up until now?

whimsy

[EmCeeGrammar]

am i the only one shocked at the "this is my first time playing XXX" comments when it gets released on the wii u? i mean, people have never played a tekken game before now, and are jumping in right now? why? if ive avoided a series for a decade, im not gonna jump in because its on a new system.

something something Nintendo fan something

so nintendo fans stay seclusively inside a nintendo balloon? how fucking miserable would that be? i mean, what did they play for the majority of the wiis lifespan?

Virtual Console stuff from systems I never got to play (tg16), wiiware, first party, third party in 2009 and 2010 was pretty good.  I've played enough tekken on ps1 and the occassional arcade trip to know its not my thing though.  Looking forward to Assassin's Creed and Criterion NFS though.... and Batman 

[EmCeeGrammar]

so nintendo fans stay seclusively inside a nintendo balloon? how fucking miserable would that be? i mean, what did they play for the majority of the wiis lifespan?

Eh, in all honesty, it's really not that weird. I mean, it's weird if we're talking about people on message boards like GAF who seem to live, eat, and breathe gaming but stay exclusive to one platform, but I actually know several people in real life who like video games, but aren't diehard fans. And among them, there's like 3 people that I can personally think of that for whatever reason just stick with Nintendo. They like Mario and Zelda and (insert random other title here), and they play whatever else interests them.

This is a pretty good perspective too.  It also comes down to money and having gone through a period where I tried to own multiple systems from different competitors I know its usually not financially feasible to own more than one main console.  Hell my 3ds feels like dead weight sometimes.

[DCharlieJP]

but hes played the portable series though, hasnt he?

he'll play it on a portable for the first time when it comes out on the Nintendo 3DS handheld console.

[MCD]

am i the only one shocked at the "this is my first time playing XXX" comments when it gets released on the wii u? i mean, people have never played a tekken game before now, and are jumping in right now? why? if ive avoided a series for a decade, im not gonna jump in because its on a new system.

something something Nintendo fan something

so nintendo fans stay seclusively inside a nintendo balloon? how fucking miserable would that be? i mean, what did they play for the majority of the wiis lifespan?

Mario Kart.

[DCharlieJP]

hes a fanboy. but he hasnt said anything stupid like that that im aware of.

I guess you weren't there when he decided he was a Kamiya who is really looking forward to Bayonetta 2 despite never playing the first one.

and that Vanquish would have definitely been one of his top 5 favourite games ever - you know - if he'd ever owned/played it.

[pilonv1]

These are the definitive versions though!

[DCharlieJP]

And Batman Arkham City is totally going to be the game of the year guys.

what? Again?

For only $60 you can appreciate what everyone else can pick up for $9.99 (includes touching - worse graphics*)


* i should either trade mark this or buy includestouchingandworsegraphics.com

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

What's the better deal here:

1) Batman Arkham City on a Nintendo console for $60

or

2) Batman Arkham Asylum GOTY Edition + Arkham City + All Arkham City DLC on Steam for $25 during the Steam Summer Sale 2012?

[DCharlieJP]

Scratch all that - i should get yesterdaysgamestomorrow.com


(I just snagged Electricdouche.com - lots of potential there)

[cool breeze]

You all joke about Batman and late ports, but going forward the Wii U should get the best versions of multiplatform games*




*For a year, until next gen arrives.  Ignoring PC as a platform.  Excluding GTA5, Metal Gear Rising, Anarchy Reigns, and any other multiplatform console exclusives unannounced for Wii U.

I'm being somewhat sincere.  There are a few great games that haven't come to PC (Japanese games and Red Dead Redemption).  If there was a great looking game coming out only for consoles, I'd pickup the Wii U version unless something went horribly wrong.

[archnemesis]

Why would you exclude the PC? Arguing about minuscule differences between the console versions makes little sense if there is a vastly superior version.

Slightly off-topic: Why isn't there a PC port of Red Dead Redemption?

[cool breeze]

that's the joke 

and because Rockstar didn't want to, I guess.  I don't think they have commented on it, but their track record with PC games this gen hasn't been great.  GTA4 PC was a complete mess at launch.  LA Noire is notoriously bad still.  But Max Payne 3 is supposed to be good!  GTA5 on PC is still up in the air.

[EmCeeGrammar]

There is legit reasons for not wanting to play games on the pc... In my case I won't be able to get a wii u until next year, so hopefully some of the lollateports will be heavily discounted by that point.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

There is legit reasons for not wanting to play games on the pc... In my case I won't be able to get a wii u until next year, so hopefully some of the lollateports will be heavily discounted by that point.

They've made so many strides into making PC gaming easy that it is mind boggling to hear quotes like these.  You can just plug in an HDMI cable from your laptop/desktop to your TV, bust out a wireless 360 PC controller, and you're good to go.  Even medium settings will still be much better than anything you're ever going to see on the Wii U.  Best of all, you can get great games for prices much lower than even the usual console gaming depreciation.  I was able to get all of the Rocksteady Batman content for less than half of the price of the Arkham City Wii U game.

Now I understand none of that will involve a device with a "Nintendo" logo on it so I see your conundrum.  It just seems to me that the chasm between the ease, quality and convenience of PC gaming vs. the restrictions of console gaming has never been wider.

[SantaC]

wii u doesnt really interest right now. NSMBU is not enough for me to buy one at launch. Get a few good rpgs and I am onboard.

[Steve Youngblood]

I love the PC as a platform and game almost exclusively on it. However, I do understand that consoles will almost always offer less of a barrier to entry in both convenience and cost. I'll advise anyone who will listen that building a gaming rig isn't as big of a hassle as one might think, but I still realize that if you're just the type that says "what's the easiest/cheapest way to play Call of Duty on my TV?", I can't in good faith really make a strong pitch that PC is the way to go.

[Van Cruncheon]

why build a gaming rig? buy an alienware fx-51, shove it under your teevee. it's a high-spec steam console for $599.

[MCD]

Yeah, the Alienware is sexy but Dell isn't showing any support. They should be pushing it further with new models and shit.

[cool breeze]

I love the PC as a platform and game almost exclusively on it. However, I do understand that consoles will almost always offer less of a barrier to entry in both convenience and cost. I'll advise anyone who will listen that building a gaming rig isn't as big of a hassle as one might think, but I still realize that if you're just the type that says "what's the easiest/cheapest way to play Call of Duty on my TV?", I can't in good faith really make a strong pitch that PC is the way to go.

I agree.  I don't think most normal people care.  I don't think the eighty billion people who buy Call of Duty yearly care or even notice the sub-HD resolution or whatever.  In the context of gaf/forums, we're talking about enthusiasts who drone on about meager differences between 2nd and 3rd (and now 4th) place.  And I'm strictly talking tech here.  If your community plays on the 360, that's the better place to play whatever multiplayer game.  Problem is that people aren't comfortable leaving it at that, and in trying to find it's the most best and definitivist version fall on some dumb arguments.  Again, stuff most normal people don't care about.

And a question related to Wii U and PC gaming:  Any word on how Wii U controllers connect to the system yet? The Pro controller looks great for 2D games/emulation.  Wii and PS3 just connect with bluetooth.  360 pad requires the dongle.

[Eel O'Brian]

I tried one of these for a couple of minutes at Gamestop today. I liked the way the controller felt, balanced and not too big. The only game I demoed with it was Rayman, so I could fiddle with the touch stuff. Worked fine, no perceptible lag. Screen looks okay, hard to tell really since this demo unit was right in front of the window. They're not showing off much with the system other than videos, place was half full and there didn't seem to be much interest in it. Looks a lot like a Wii demo station from a few feet away, right down to the Wii controllers hanging off of it.

[tiesto]

FIRST US COMMERCIAL



why u is the controller and it's for kids right?

  moombathon 

[pilonv1]

That's a pretty weak ad.

[Sho Nuff]

I can't even begin to fathom this thing selling gangbusters, but Nintendo is real good at ensuring lightning hitting twice, thrice, maybe even four times in a row

[Sho Nuff]

By the way, is the iPad 4 confirmed as more powerful than Weeoo yet

[Damian79]

By the way, is the iPad 4 confirmed as more powerful than Weeoo yet

This is in question?   

[DCharlieJP]

But guyzzz - MS and Sony have gone really low on their specs - there's really not much difference between the Wii U and PS4/Xinfinity

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[pilonv1]

All games will be up ports from Wii U anyway, you're not gaining anything from them besides some higher textures.

[DCharlieJP]

All games will be up ports from Wii U anyway, you're not gaining anything from them besides some higher textures.

indeed - but that amazing non trivial jump from PS3/X360 to Wii U is AMAZING whilst the jump from Wii U to Orbis/Nexus is pointless and pretty much the definition of diminishing returns.

(i really can't wait to see the reactions from Nthings when the bombs go off)

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

All games will be up ports from Wii U anyway, you're not gaining anything from them besides some higher textures.

indeed - but that amazing non trivial jump from PS3/X360 to Wii U is AMAZING whilst the jump from Wii U to Orbis/Nexus is pointless and pretty much the definition of diminishing returns.

(i really can't wait to see the reactions from Nthings when the bombs go off)

Are you sure about that?  On the contrary, I think it is going to be completely boring.

[Damian79]

It will be the same leap or less as the last gen.  I am buying a Nintendo console for the games not the graphics. Where else can you get a monolith soft game?

[DCharlieJP]

All games will be up ports from Wii U anyway, you're not gaining anything from them besides some higher textures.

indeed - but that amazing non trivial jump from PS3/X360 to Wii U is AMAZING whilst the jump from Wii U to Orbis/Nexus is pointless and pretty much the definition of diminishing returns.

(i really can't wait to see the reactions from Nthings when the bombs go off)

Are you sure about that?  On the contrary, I think it is going to be completely boring.

it will be exactly like Damien's response - just shouted louder.

"No one cares about better graphics, except when comparing last gen third party multiplatform titles that has a wii U entry - then it is critical"

[Damian79]

I care about graphics, but that isnt why you buy a Nintendo console for.  You buy it for the exclusives you cant get anywhere else.  I might however get darksiders 2 on the WiiU because i find the controls crappy, maybe if they mapped some moves on the touch screen then maybe it iwll be playable for me.

[Cerveza mas fina]

The saddest thing about people buying Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games is that they are basicly buying it for games and genres and series that havent developed anything since the N64. Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart. The big Nintendo games.

Other consoles are so much more dynamic, sure you still got your Tekken, but in 15 years its just another title. Whats hot and fresh keeps changing all the time. New fads come and go, new titles, ideas, mechanisms. The biggest change in games these past 6 years hasnt been waggle but the xp mechanism COD made big. Its everywhere now in every genre. Another shift is the online focus and coop.

Far from being the self proclaimed innovator Nintendo lags behind the industry.

[Joe Molotov]

But guyzzz - MS and Sony have gone really low on their specs - there's really not much difference between the Wii U and PS4/Xinfinity

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that's really their latest spin? omg

Latest? That's like the same spin they've been using since the Wii launch "There won't be that much of a difference, diminishing returns, blah blah blah..."

[Trent Dole]

[Owl-faced Wizard]

The saddest thing about people buying Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games is that they are basicly buying it for games and genres and series that havent developed anything since the N64. Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart. The big Nintendo games.

Other consoles are so much more dynamic, sure you still got your Tekken, but in 15 years its just another title. Whats hot and fresh keeps changing all the time. New fads come and go, new titles, ideas, mechanisms. The biggest change in games these past 6 years hasnt been waggle but the xp mechanism COD made big. Its everywhere now in every genre. Another shift is the online focus and coop.

Far from being the self proclaimed innovator Nintendo lags behind the industry.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

[Mr. Gundam]

That's Andrex in the bottom right corner, right?

[pilonv1]

Don't you mean top right?

[maxy]

It begins,were is Andrex?

GamesMaster magazine wiiu launch special(previews,reviews of console/games)

Nintendo Land

- “…Luigi’s Haunted Mansion, Animal Crossing Sweet Day and Mario Chase offer up some of the most innovative, raucous and party-fueling fun we’ve ever had with a console”
- Plaza is filled with all things Nintendo
- There’s menu music for each attraction that bleeps out in NES chimes
- Monita, the floating computer, guides you around the park’s features
- Spend winnings on pachinko-esque coin game
- Win a jukebox, day/night cycle button, and more
- Miis from your console and other consoles through the Internet
- Attraction mode: set up a Nintendo Land party; choose a time limit and player count and then head to a points-based tournament of mini-games
- Multiplayer games are fun, but GamesMaster says the single-player ones are sometimes forgettable
- A few games highlight “some seemingly inherent problems”
- Ex: Takamaru’s Ninja Challenge – “constant screen misalignment”
- GamesMaster says GamePad/TV crossover usually works best when done in tandem
- “As a discerning gamer, you may not find all that Nintendo Land has to offer to your liking, but should you fork out for a Wii U, you owe it to your family, to your friends and to everyone else you know, to bag a copy of this to go with it.”
- Graphics: 90%
- Gameplay: 86%
- Accessibility: 95%
- Lifespan: 82%
- Innovation: 92%
- Overall: 86%
- “An essential purchase for party lovers that whets the Nintendo appetite. Bring friends.”

New Super Mario Bros. U

- May look the same, but there are some “incredible tweaks”
- GamesMaster feels it’s easier than NSMB Wii
- Took under seven hours to complete
- More to the game outside of the main campaign
- Most of the innovation is saved for the final levels
- “Without wishing to spoil anything, we were surprised, excited, and twinkly-eyed during an excellent finale. It’s almost as if Nintendo suddenly realised that they were in fact working with a Wii U, with a game-changing GamePad and everything.”
- Hopes Nintendo will “build on this solid, if not mind-blowing, foundation.”
- Graphics: 82%
- Gameplay: 85%
- Accessibility: 90%
- Lifespan: 80%
- Innovation: 75%
- Overall: 82%
- “A great excuse for families to gather round the TV, and an enticing glimpse of Mario’s HD future.”

Plenty of scans here
http://thewiiu.com/topic/6440-gamesmaster-mag-wiiu-launch-special-pretty-positive/

direct link for the scans(enlarge and go right)
http://imageshack.us/f/196/img1818tp.jpg/

[archnemesis]

So Nintendo Land is actually better than the latest 2D Mario platformer?

[DCharlieJP]

do regular wii controllers work on this bucket or do you need to buy 4 Wiimote+ to enjoy the asymetrical future ?

(japan doesnt get teh sensor etc in the Wii U - does the US?)

[archnemesis]

I don't know about the US, but a sensor bar is included here in Europe. It's supposedly "fully backwards compatible with the Wii and it supports all controllers from the Wii Remote Plus to the Wii Balance Board".

For some reason I'm tempted to buy one even though none of the launch games interest me.

[maxy]

Nice scoop maxy Are you excited for the Wii U launch? I mean, finally, something is happening in the console space and all be told Wii U is a 360+ so the best hardware out of 360/ PS3/ Wii U.

Nah,I find it very hard to be excited for anything these days.WiiU launch is pretty meh,it's almost like Nintendo is launching some Wii iteration.Lack of big third publishers new/existing IP sequels is totally killing my interest.

Something Mario,some Ubisoft game and a bunch of 360 ports.Replace WiiU with Infinity,Mario with some MS IP...that would be totaly meh

[Don Flamenco]

the fuck is an 82%?   


100 point scales 


can't say i'm hyped for any of the launch games.  I'm curious about a few, but that's not enough to buy the thing.  I will definitely buy one to play Bayonetta 2 though.

[archnemesis]

At the moment I'm only interested in Dragon Quest X: Rise of the Five Tribes Online and Romance of the Three Kingdoms XII. Buying one at launch would be stupid of me.

[Huff]

I'll prob get one at under 200 unless something crazy happens

[Steve Youngblood]

Honestly, just due to lack of interest in any other electronic gadgets or anything substantial for myself for the holidays, I'm tempted to pick one up. However, I'm an oddball in my launch window purchases in that I will probably only follow through if I can procure one without a preorder and the quantity is limited. Meaning, I don't care enough to lock myself into a purchase before launch. But also -- in the event that this thing tanks everywhere outside of Gamestop where they act as though they're sold out through next year -- I'm not going to get one just to get one if it's clear that availability is going to be no concern whatsoever.

[cool breeze]

Has Nintendo said anything about how you transfer virtual console/wiiware games to the Wii U? iirc, the DS/3DS way wipes your old system.  Last I checked Nintendo hadn't said much of anything about how anything works and this thing is coming out in two weeks.

sort of related, but has anyone tried one of those Wii to HDMI converters? I'm not expecting it to upscale Wii.  I just want to replace the component input with HDMI, unless it introduces heinous lag and artifacts or w/e.

[Madrun Badrun]

Gentlemen, brace yourself, next-gen starts this month

I forgot what thread I was in had to look before I got the joke.  I was hoping for a 720/ps4 announcement. 

[Madrun Badrun]

Has Nintendo said anything about how you transfer virtual console/wiiware games to the Wii U? iirc, the DS/3DS way wipes your old system.  Last I checked Nintendo hadn't said much of anything about how anything works and this thing is coming out in two weeks.

sort of related, but has anyone tried one of those Wii to HDMI converters? I'm not expecting it to upscale Wii.  I just want to replace the component input with HDMI, unless it introduces heinous lag and artifacts or w/e.

They transfer.  Won't be ready for launch though.