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[Steve Youngblood]

So how shitty is this thing?  I haven't been paying that much attention, but from what I've heard there's a lot of problems.

Eh, it depends a lot on what you're expecting. If you had any expectations of this thing being a serious contender in that it would be a lot better than the PS3/360 and have a fighting chance at getting software designed for high-end PCs and the next Microsoft and Sony platforms, then it's pretty clear that this thing is a joke. If you're expectations are more tempered, then it's kind of up in the air.

There's been a lot of problems and concerns regarding the OS. There have been locks, freezes, network errors, big day 1 patches, and disappointment at the way Network IDs are handled. But, on the other hand, the tablet is kind of nifty for what it is, and you'll get Nintendo games in pseudo-high def which is a noticeable improvement over 480p. The stuff that is there mostly works even if there are long load times.

So, yeah. What do you want from your Nintendo console?

[maxy]

[Flannel Boy]

So how shitty is this thing?  I haven't been paying that much attention, but from what I've heard there's a lot of problems.

The console has so many flaws--slow RAM (much slower than the PS3's or 360's), slow OS, weak CPU, crappy region lock, locked ID to a single console, and a tiny, weak battery--that I'm pretty sure Drinky designed it to troll the fuck out of Nintendo fans.

[archnemesis]

What's wrong with the black levels?

[Steve Contra]

Battery life problems?  Oy, I can't be bothered to plug shit in that often.  Pass.

[Takao]

The NDF on GAF is getting pretty terrible, comparing 360/PS3 ports to Vita as justification for why Wii U's ports don't suck. Vita isn't the generation successor to PS3/360 like Wii U is supposed to be. It's also a handheld.

[Fifstar]

I kinda want it because it ultimatly would provide what I want (and expect) from a Nintendo console - the ability to play Nintendo games. And it being downward compatible would mean I would get to play two generations of Nintendo games as I never owned or even played the Wii. On the other it seems to be so poorly designed that it's almost too embarrasing to purchase it.

[maxy]

What's wrong with the black levels?

However, there is some unwelcome news - specifically that the HDMI output is locked to limited-range RGB only, with footage from all games we've captured thus far revealing absolutely no information in the 0-16 or 235-255 areas. Many digital displays - PC monitors in particular - don't operate correctly with limited-range RGB, giving washed out colours principally defined by blacks being more grey-like in nature. This is something Nintendo really needs to address as a matter of urgency - it's the most basic of omissions, something that Sony and Microsoft resolved to everyone's satisfaction many, many years ago.

[Don Flamenco]

Nintendo simply doesn't care about the kind of person that would hook this up to a monitor, to take advantage of extended black levels.   

The NDF on GAF is getting pretty terrible, comparing 360/PS3 ports to Vita as justification for why Wii U's ports don't suck. Vita isn't the generation successor to PS3/360 like Wii U is supposed to be. It's also a handheld.

it's also running ports better than the WiiU. 

[archnemesis]

That's another non-issue for me since I'll hook it up to a plasma TV, but it's of course nice to have options. I'm basically getting one for the same reasons as Fifstar listed. BC with HDMI out. If they release any good Wii U exclusive then that's a welcome bonus.

[cool breeze]

So how shitty is this thing?  I haven't been paying that much attention, but from what I've heard there's a lot of problems.

The console has so many flaws--slow RAM (much slower than the PS3's or 360's), slow OS, weak CPU, crappy region lock, locked ID to a single console, and a tiny, weak battery--that I'm pretty sure Drinky designed it to troll the fuck out of Nintendo fans.

also, it feels like early adopters are beta testing.  although, technically it might be alpha since none of the video services are working yet.  opening netflix or tveee gives you a "we're not finished yet.  please understand." message.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

I'll gotta admit that yesterday, even when everything coming out about the Wii U was turning to absolute shit, I was almost ready to drive all the way back to Bellevue and pick up one of the Wii Us I saw earlier.  I guess the allure of a new console launch, which I haven't felt since the PS3 came out, was getting the better of me.  But then the absolute deal breaker was when I found out about the accounts being locked to the console itself with no way to transfer.  That's just un-fucking-acceptable.  No way should that happen in 2012.  What if it breaks?!?!  Why even have an account in the first place??!?!?

No one should be buying this thing until Nintendo gets their shit together and gets with the program.  Fuck 'em.

[Eric P]

hey, i don't gotta buy the brat anything else! merry xmas, honey! here's some long download times!

this is probably the Father Geek equivalent of being one of those mothers on Toddlers and Tiaras.

[Tasty]

Then why have you avoided Batman and such when they are much cheaper on Steam?

Dunno, hoping it would be a good port and my PC is kinda crappy. Can barely run Sonic Generations, been meaning to upgrade it forever.

Son, you aren't really pc gaming then

I get the indie stuff.

What does that functionally do though? Are the game servers Origin based or PSN-based?

hey look, goal posts moving in a nintendo thread

What goalposts? It's an honest question.

[Tasty]

Dat Linux power.

Actually it's Windows 7

[cool breeze]

They don't care about online beause the people who buy their machines don't care about it or haven't demonstrated they care because they keep buying them as is. Why invest in it if your audience is satisfied with split screen and Pokemon.

fwiw, there are neat aspects to the online thing.  I lost a ways into the Donkey Kong mini-game and on the stats screen you can see drawings and comments from other players who died at that same spot.  That's sort of the Dark Souls thing.  It's really just contextualizing Nintendo's own twitter-esque thing, but it's something new and unique.  But at the same time it lacks what has been standard on the other consoles (there's still a distance between Sony and Microsoft) and it's all in Nintendo's sheltered ecosystem.  Among the three, it's like Microsoft is ahead, Sony is catching up, and Nintendo is just starting.

What I really want out of a next gen online system is more stuff like the SSX/Trials friend list ghosts/asynchronous competition thing.  I don't know how they could do it as a system wide feature, but I hope someone figures it out.

[Don Flamenco]

Then why have you avoided Batman and such when they are much cheaper on Steam?

Dunno, hoping it would be a good port and my PC is kinda crappy. Can barely run Sonic Generations, been meaning to upgrade it forever.

Son, you aren't really pc gaming then

I get the indie stuff.

What does that functionally do though? Are the game servers Origin based or PSN-based?

hey look, goal posts moving in a nintendo thread

What goalposts? It's an honest question.

You said you can't link PS3/360 accounts to Origin/Steam, that Nintendo allows this but the other companies don't-- the original goalposts

EA can still include Origin support in their Wii U games, Nintendo's made a big deal of "linking your Nintendo Network ID with third party services, with your consent." That's more than XBL and PSN allow so I don't know why EA would be butthurt over it.

Huh? My PS3 account is linked to both Origin and Steam and my live account is linked to Origin

What does that functionally do though? Are the game servers Origin based or PSN-based?
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Then backpedal after finding out that you can and put an extra requirement of it needing to do something and that the servers have to be in a particular place-- the new goalposts.

[Himu]

Yeah, I don't get his point. Every EA game has you log into EA's servers for your origin info on console.

[Don Flamenco]

Yeah, I don't get his point. Every EA game has you log into EA's servers for your origin info on console.

oh right, forgot about that-- the consoles do use EA's servers,  which is how EA pulls online support from games.

[Himu]

Once you log into EA's servers, the console saves your info (iirc) so that the next time you use an EA game, it will automatically log you in and shit. Did this for FIFA, FIFA Street, SSX, and more.

[Tasty]

Then backpedal after finding out that you can and put an extra requirement of it needing to do something and that the servers have to be in a particular place-- the new goalposts.

I didn't know they allowed that, which makes it more confusing. What exactly did EA want? To host every single online Wii U game on their servers?

[Don Flamenco]

Then backpedal after finding out that you can and put an extra requirement of it needing to do something and that the servers have to be in a particular place-- the new goalposts.

I didn't know they allowed that, which makes it more confusing. What exactly did EA want? To host every single online Wii U game on their servers?

who knows, being EA, they have leverage and are probably trying to work out some deal.   

[Cerveza mas fina]

Then backpedal after finding out that you can and put an extra requirement of it needing to do something and that the servers have to be in a particular place-- the new goalposts.

I didn't know they allowed that, which makes it more confusing. What exactly did EA want? To host every single online Wii U game on their servers?

Well their own, yes.

[SantaC]

So how shitty is this thing?  I haven't been paying that much attention, but from what I've heard there's a lot of problems.

The console has so many flaws--slow RAM (much slower than the PS3's or 360's), slow OS, weak CPU, crappy region lock, locked ID to a single console, and a tiny, weak battery--that I'm pretty sure Drinky designed it to troll the fuck out of Nintendo fans.

pretty much the worst Nintendo console ever. I want my Virtual Boy back.

[Himu]

I hope U all Wii U gamers are not excited for the following:

Anarchy Reigns
Metal gear Rising
God of War Ascension
Tales of Xillia
Beyond: Two Souls
The Last Guardian
Final Fantasy Versus XIII
Gears of War: Judgement
The Last of Us

Cause U ain't seeing that shit on Ur system!

To be fair to Wii U gamers, neither will anyone else due to being ps3 exclusives.

Oh, Metal Gear Rising. Yeah, they'll probably see that.

[Fifstar]

Only interesting game on that list is probably vaporware.

[Steve Youngblood]

I think Borys's list is mocking Nintendo fans that cite Nintendo games as the sole reason for why it's better than the other consoles?

[Himu]

What is Beyond: Two Souls? Sounds like Sony exclusive. See? Sony working dat magic.

[SantaC]

I might been a stone cold business man, but atleast my Nintendo consoles were always up to the latest tech

I on the other hand make tons of money while I run the popular Nintendo franchises to the ground. I also take big pride in recycling 10 year old tech as brand new

[Mr. Gundam]

What is Beyond: Two Souls? Sounds like Sony exclusive. See? Sony working dat magic.

That game with Ellen Page made by the Heavy Rain guys.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

I hope U all Wii U gamers are not excited for the following:

Anarchy Reigns
Metal gear Rising
God of War Ascension
Tales of Xillia
Beyond: Two Souls
The Last Guardian
Final Fantasy Versus XIII
Gears of War: Judgement
The Last of Us

Cause U ain't seeing that shit on Ur system!

I don't think anyone is going to be seeing those on any system.

[SantaC]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=500500

Anyone else find difficult to maintain interest in PS360 due to the WiiU launch?

  

[bork]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=500500

Anyone else find difficult to maintain interest in PS360 due to the WiiU launch?

  

Only U.

 

[Mr. Gundam]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=500500

Anyone else find difficult to maintain interest in PS360 due to the WiiU launch?

  

That thread is hilarious, since pretty much everyone has said No.

[SantaC]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=500500

Anyone else find difficult to maintain interest in PS360 due to the WiiU launch?

  

That thread is hilarious, since pretty much everyone has said No.

Um, WiiU is more powerful than current gen and will get PS4/720 ports

 

[Huff]

I Love Mondays for Giantbomb is up, near the last few minutes (12:10) Patrick gives some details on him calling Nintendo asking for his NNID to be switched over to a new console:

http://www.giantbomb.com/i-love-mond...92012/17-6814/

Turns out Nintendo customer service can't switch over NNIDs to a new console, it is completely locked, and they're looking into what they can do but are not optimistic that anything can be done.

So much for calling Nintendo.

 

[Don Flamenco]

11 pages of "no" 

[G The Resurrected]

I don't know how to add people but my name on this thing is Bzchan

[Tasty]

I Love Mondays for Giantbomb is up, near the last few minutes (12:10) Patrick gives some details on him calling Nintendo asking for his NNID to be switched over to a new console:

http://www.giantbomb.com/i-love-mond...92012/17-6814/

Turns out Nintendo customer service can't switch over NNIDs to a new console, it is completely locked, and they're looking into what they can do but are not optimistic that anything can be done.

So much for calling Nintendo.

 

I am legit pissed now. What the fuck. Wii U deserves to bomb as hard as the 3DS did initially until it slaps Nintendo in the damn face and puts them in panic mode like with 3DS.

[mjemirzian]

Hell hath no fury like a fanboy scorned.

[Don Flamenco]

i'll be happy to do your divorce paperwork 

[Steve Youngblood]

Hmmm... so, don't buy anything off of the eShop. Saves me the trouble of looking out for external harddrive deals.

[demi]

lolol, andrex is stuck with that console now. broken console = no more digital games to transfer

WHOOPS

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

Fuck Nintendo.

Seriously.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

The best part is that Nintendo is the cheapest and laziest of the three so you better get used to it.

First they will ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist, then they will make PR statements downplaying the flaws, and then they will slowly start fixing it quietly through patches.  This is going to be a process that will take months into years.

[Tasty]

The best part is that Nintendo is the cheapest and laziest of the three so you better get used to it.

First they will ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist, then they will make PR statements downplaying the flaws, and then they will slowly start fixing it quietly through patches.  This is going to be a process that will take months into years.

That's exactly why I'm so pissed off.

[The Sceneman]

I Love Mondays for Giantbomb is up, near the last few minutes (12:10) Patrick gives some details on him calling Nintendo asking for his NNID to be switched over to a new console:

http://www.giantbomb.com/i-love-mond...92012/17-6814/

Turns out Nintendo customer service can't switch over NNIDs to a new console, it is completely locked, and they're looking into what they can do but are not optimistic that anything can be done.

So much for calling Nintendo.

 

I am legit pissed now. What the fuck. Wii U deserves to bomb as hard as the 3DS did initially until it slaps Nintendo in the damn face and puts them in panic mode like with 3DS.

Yes. Let the hate consume you.

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

[pilonv1]

They've still got the Japan and Euro launches to come.

[cool breeze]

Japan has Monster Hunter HD-port-of-a-port and Dragon Quest MMO at launch, I think.  That, and different standards, probably bode better for Nintendo in Japan.


anyway, I read that the wireless tech has more trouble with walls than distance or something.  Back of the tablet has a screw hole and clips and I'm wondering if that's for an antennae accessory.  I'd like something like that, since the range is pretty poor for me.

[Himu]

A dragon quest mmo that is already out on wii, that most people already own, yes.

[G The Resurrected]

So this is bad

Your saves are not saved per user. Which means if you have two people playing a game they both use up the save spots of the game. So if a game only has 3 and 2 of you are playing that there is only one additional save slot. WTF!!!!

[Huff]

yeah i posted that earlier.

nintendoland only has 1 save slot. same with zombiu.

[G The Resurrected]

This ain't even funny. I could understand if it were say 2006 possibly, but its 2012 wtf is wrong with this company?

[DCharlieJP]

A dragon quest mmo that is already out on wii, that most people already own, yes.

and a HD up port of Monster Hunter that everyone plays with -together- and not online.


The Wii U might well end up getting a REAL DQ game and a REAL Monster Hunter game but the constant repeating of ITS GOT DRAGON QUEST AND MONSTER HUNTER! is lolsome

[Takao]

I'm not even sure we can say Wii U will get a real Monster Hunter. If it was, why would Capcom kill off the MH Portable series, and instead bring the numeric entries to 3DS? It seems like their plan is to make 3DS games, and port them to consoles now.

[Himu]

A dragon quest mmo that is already out on wii, that most people already own, yes.

and a HD up port of Monster Hunter that everyone plays with -together- and not online.


The Wii U might well end up getting a REAL DQ game and a REAL Monster Hunter game but the constant repeating of ITS GOT DRAGON QUEST AND MONSTER HUNTER! is lolsome

Wii U will get Dragon Quest only if the system is the top dog, and right now that's looking like 3ds. I'm not sure about ios in Japan, what is the likelihood of DQ11 on ios? The mistake people make is thinking that the system that gets DQ is the winner; it is the opposite - DQ goes to the system that won. Right now that's looking like either another Wii sequel or a sequel for 3ds or ios.

[Huff]

just watched a commercial for batman wiiu. "the definitive version"

[Mr. Gundam]

just watched a commercial for batman wiiu. "the definitive version"

Yeah, I saw that during MNF. Was waiting for them to say "Only on WiiU."

[Takao]

I'm surprised there are even commercials for a late port ...

[Himu]

I'm surprised there are even commercials for a late port ...

Never seen GTA pc version commercials?