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[Himu]

This thing is going to bomb.

Emceee lets have an avatar bet. Whoever loses.has to have girliest avatar imaginable.

[AdmiralViscen]

Yea, only an idiot would believe a half assed thing about a half assed console

Nintendo commonly lies by omission and intentially misleads, but they don't straight up lie about a banner feature. It's like saying, "Nintendo is half assing the Wii U, so they probably took the screen out of the controller."

fuck you

[Tasty]

[mjemirzian]

Comeon, lay off him, he's had a very emotional last couple of days. :'(

[Himu]

who the fuck is this mirzian guy and why is he intent on lapping up nintendo's balls

[MCD]

Been fucking around with it. Touchscreen is horrible, seems on-par with this $10 touchscreen MP3 player I got from a grandparent. ZombiU seems okay but would get stupidly boring after a few hours.

Colors looked really washed out, looked it up and HDMI output is locked to limited-range RGB which I guess is the issue. Great!

Use Component cables till they sort it out.

[MCD]

Hmm...

Is there HDMI Full/Normal range option or the like in his TV? Maybe it will sort it out.

[Tasty]

Yeah first thing I noticed when I started Mario was how non-vivid everything was, what makes it worse is the GamePad screen looks vivid enough. I switched my TV to warm color mode, which is more a band-aid than anything.

Knew Nintendo would mess something up when they finally switched off those cables they've been using since the SNES.

[Sho Nuff]

So yeah, half the games in Nintendo Land simply refused to work without a MotionPlus, though legacy Wii controllers DID work on the ghost game. Most of our Wii U time was spent waiting for updates or playing Little Inferno while recovering from our smoked turkey coma 

[MCD]

HEY SHO NUFF

WHERE IS MY SKULLS MAN

[maxy]

You know which games this gen impressed me the most visually? Mario Galaxy 1/2. Their not HD yet they were glorious when i first saw them running on my TV. That unmatched artstyle pared with rock solid 60fps was just amazing. And it ran on the Wii!

But hey, continue complaining. Continue making fun of Nintendo. Heck you propably try to anger me by making fun of this very post. I donīt care. If you feel like its approrpiate to act live a 12 year old on a message board, go ahead. I wonīt stop you or continue to argue with you!

Oh and you know what? I get the Wii U in 7 days and i will have a frickin awesome time with it. Even if it is obviously not up to "hardcore gamer" standards.

Thanks to Miiverse, eShop an amazing browser and all the videoapps anf of course Nintendos games paired with what Wii U supporters deliver, Wii U will find its audience. Will they sell nearly 100 million like with the Wii? Unlikely, but no matter how much they sell, Nintendo will walk away with a nice profit!

So in conclusion, Wii Us "lack"of hardwarepower is not the huge issue people make it out to be. If you donīt like Wii U for its "weak" hardware, thats fine but PLEASE stop ruining every Wii U thread.

[Tasty]

I had an aneurism reading that.

[Sho Nuff]

HEY SHO NUFF

WHERE IS MY SKULLS MAN

On its way to cert, will have an official release date very soon!

[Sho Nuff]

Then we popped in Hitman and murdered people in hilarious ways

Poor Wii U

[archnemesis]

It wouldn't surprise me at all if party games like became super popular.

[EmCeeGrammar]

This thing is going to bomb.

Emceee lets have an avatar bet. Whoever loses.has to have girliest avatar imaginable.

I barely post here anymore, because you all just suck the fun out of everything that isn't esoteric yet somehow dull.  It would be pointless.

[Himu]

It wouldn't surprise me at all if party games like became super popular.

is that a green turd humanoid

[Phoenix Dark]

It's too cheap to bomb this holiday season. Given how wrong I was about the Wii, it's hard to be too confident about long term predictions of doom...but I really think this thing will be selling at an average pace by the spring of 2013.

You can't just launch a system with no games, I thought they learned that with initially disastrous 3DS fiasco. I think the WiiU could definitely rebound from its (likely) spring problems, but by the time it gets its feet the actual next gen will have started...

[Himu]

since when is 300-350 "cheap" for a new console? That is not cheap.

[Tasty]

Thinking about it today, the console itself is actually the worst part about the Wii U.

If it was JUST an ARM tablet with a HDMI dongle or something, do you know how much hype this thing would have? Goddamn. An actual tablet with real gaming controls, damn. Considering something like 80% of people never take their iPads out of their house anyways, it could be pretty damn compelling as something you don't need to be embarrassed about in public, but with the right design it could be public-acceptable too. And since all the guts are in the GamePad, poor graphics (compared to consoles, but good compared to mobile) would be more easily forgiven, and it would have like 4 times the battery life.

Only problem is it might cut into the 3DS that way. Honestly, if Wii U bombs, Nintendo should look into integrating their handheld and home console systems. Either that, or somehow duplicate Apple's iPhone/iPad dichotomy and synergy.

[archnemesis]

If you want an impressive audiovisual experience then $300 is rather cheap. It's difficult to get high quality graphics for less than that. If that's too much you can always pick up a PS2 or something.

[Phoenix Dark]

If you want an impressive audiovisual experience then $300 is rather cheap. It's difficult to get high quality graphics for less than that. If that's too much you can always pick up a PS2 or something.

Exactly, it's within that acceptable price range for consoles. Whereas the next Xbox and PS will certainly be out of that range, thus allowing Nintendo a narrow opening. Still, those console will be built to last for quite awhile/break even eventually. Whereas the WiiU will be outdated in what, two years?

[Fifstar]

who the fuck is this mirzian guy and why is he intent on lapping up nintendo's balls

Guess he's just a lover not a hater kind of guy that doesn't really get the tone of this board. I don't think hes a nintard, he runs some tactic game blog.

[archnemesis]

Whereas the WiiU will be outdated in what, two years?

It's already outdated.

[maxy]

Nintendo will be fine as long as they churn out few Mario games,few Zelda games,Pikmin,Metroid,etc

Right now WiiU is little too expensive for their primary market--young kids(parents),$200($250) seems to be the right spot these days.
I think Nintendo will be there within 2 years,even without panic button use.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

It's too cheap to bomb this holiday season. Given how wrong I was about the Wii, it's hard to be too confident about long term predictions of doom...but I really think this thing will be selling at an average pace by the spring of 2013.

You can't just launch a system with no games, I thought they learned that with initially disastrous 3DS fiasco. I think the WiiU could definitely rebound from its (likely) spring problems, but by the time it gets its feet the actual next gen will have started...

I'm confident that the Wii U will do well this holiday season.  All of those units we saw on the shelf were probably sold out in the Black Friday rush.  It will continue that way until mid January when the last rainchecks and people on a list who wanted one now have one.  Then therein lies the true test of viability.

The best way to determine how things are going now is to check the prices for flipped Wii U black tard packs.  $430 for a black tard pack is a sign that you can find one easily enough.  Considering the fact that you paid tax on that shit (an additional $20-30 expense so now we're up to $370-380), combine that with eBay fees, and then the distinguished mentally-challenged fellow tax of dealing with shitty buyers who will try to pull some bullshit to score a discount or a free Wii U, etc.  That amount hardly seems worth the effort.  Now if I look around and I see them going for $700, then I could see it being a system in high demand.  Back in the 2006 and 2007 holiday season, a Wii would go for about $800+  When I got one after waiting a little bit in line, the temptation of making about $450 in profit off of this thing was very strong but I had to play Mario Galaxy.

Nintendo needs this year lead badly.  If they keep stumbling over themselves to fix problems that should have been solved before launch, they'll ruin their window of opportunity.  Microsoft and to a far lesser extent Sony have good, if not great online systems that will be out in full force.  Yet I think Nintendo is arrogant enough to think that they can go their own way on this thing, which is why I suspect it is going to take a long ass time before these issues get fixed if they ever do.  They will assume their hardcore faithful will get one for the new Mario, Zelda, etc. games that come out.  That they would rather try to score a blue ocean hit than work overtime to fix the countless issues.  Hey, it worked for the 3DS.

[MCD]

HEY SHO NUFF

WHERE IS MY SKULLS MAN

On its way to cert, will have an official release date very soon!

Gonna buy it on all three platforms.

[Van Cruncheon]

Thinking about it today, the console itself is actually the worst part about the Wii U.

If it was JUST an ARM tablet with a HDMI dongle or something, do you know how much hype this thing would have? Goddamn. An actual tablet with real gaming controls,

you mean the vita? yeah, that's doin' well

[DCharlieJP]

You know which games this gen impressed me the most visually? Mario Galaxy 1/2.

best looking last last last gen game this last last gen - by far. In the whole Xbox, Ps2, Wii bracket - it's right near the top of the chain.

As long as we ignore Double Steal, Double Steal 2, Riddick, Panzer, Phantom, and about 50 other games, i'd say there's little quarrel from anyone about it being the best looking game of two gens ago.

Like wise - in a years time, i suspect that a game on the Wii U will easily be one of the best looking games of last gen as well (as long as we ignore maybe 50 to 100 last gen games).

That's Nintendo power !

[Trent Dole]

Thinking about it today, the console itself is actually the worst part about the Wii U.

If it was JUST an ARM tablet with a HDMI dongle or something, do you know how much hype this thing would have? Goddamn. An actual tablet with real gaming controls,

you mean the vita? yeah, that's doin' well

I want a Vita way more than I want this thing

[headwalk]

why is it that those who would benefit most from nintendo going third party are those most most violently opposed to it?

though it has been interesting to see ntardos extend an olive branch to pc gaming on gaf, as if they are somehow natural allies; only illustrating the crippling stockholm syndrome  and  mandate of shitty, redundant hardware that nintendo lords over their captives.

they'd all be better off if nintendo's new console was just a $300 usb identifier.

[Tasty]

Thinking about it today, the console itself is actually the worst part about the Wii U.

If it was JUST an ARM tablet with a HDMI dongle or something, do you know how much hype this thing would have? Goddamn. An actual tablet with real gaming controls,

you mean the vita? yeah, that's doin' well

Not a tablet. More of a phablet or smartphone.

In my dream scenario Wii U is basically the Nexus 7 with the GamePad form factor. It would actually be HD then too, not FWVGA like it is now (or qHD like the Vita is.)

Edit- Also, if anyone could have made the Vita a success, or more successful than it is (not saying much), it's Nintendo. They clearly get the kinds of games suited for handhelds, but also throw out some console-like games every once in a while (their N64 ports stand out and each has probably sold more than almost every Vita game ever has or ever will.)

[cool breeze]

I already think the screen is a bit too big for the gamepad...somewhat because of how bulky and toy-ish the build is.

A vita with a grip feels like normal console controller.  Slightly bigger with full size analogs/buttons and it would feel like using a normal controller, only with a screen.  Wii U pad is more comfortable than I would've thought but going back to a 360 pad, or even dualshock, is noticeably more comfortable.

And while I haven't used it, that s-pen (?) tech that allows accurate stylus drawing would be a good addition.  Capacitive is way better but I see that people like to doodle in miiverse, so stylus/resistive has some worth, I guess.

[Joe Molotov]

This turd needs to be euthanized:

NSMB U, Nintendo Land, ZombiU, Pikmin 3, Lego City Undercover, Wonderful 101, Wario Ware, Rayman Legends, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate are all EXCLUSIVES in the first 4.5 months of the launch window.

Bayonetta 2 later in 2013.

Already rumours of RE6, NFS MW, Tomb Raider, Splinter Cell, and Watch Dogs multi platforms aswell.

Yeah you are right, WiiU has no games in 2013... Muppet.

Rumors of substandard ports of games that you can get on ancient $200 consoles; stop the fucking presses, I guess.

[Tasty]

I already think the screen is a bit too big for the gamepad...somewhat because of how bulky and toy-ish the build is.

A vita with a grip feels like normal console controller.  Slightly bigger with full size analogs/buttons and it would feel like using a normal controller, only with a screen.  Wii U pad is more comfortable than I would've thought but going back to a 360 pad, or even dualshock, is noticeably more comfortable.

And while I haven't used it, that s-pen (?) tech that allows accurate stylus drawing would be a good addition.  Capacitive is way better but I see that people like to doodle in miiverse, so stylus/resistive has some worth, I guess.

I don't think Vita's screen is big enough to handle the types of mechanics being crammed into Wii U games. Like, Draw Something was best when on a tablet with a capacitive stylus, and that's the angle Nintendo is half-ass going for on Wii U. I don't know, I think as big as Vita's screen is for portable gaming, it's still clearly a portable gaming screen and no matter what Sony says, I don't think it's as suited to console-like gaming as a tablet screen would be.

That said, it might be a nonissue anyways since my dream Wii U has a dongle that can just plug into a TV and then you'd get the big screen console experience. But I'd be less excited about a standalone Wii U device if it was Vita size rather than tablet-size. Maybe it's because portables have had good (integrated hardware) game controls for forever, whereas tablets don't have any whatsoever right now.

[Steve Youngblood]

Eh, I don't know if I think going full on tablet would have been the way to go. Not just because it would compete with the 3DS, but just because it puts them too firmly into a market that's over-saturated and they're not prepared to fight in. I don't honestly think that a real gaming tablet is as cool as it sounds on paper.

Honestly, I get what Nintendo was going for here. And given that, I think it kind of had to be the way that it is. They have no interest in making a product that would be in competition with the iPad, but they wanted something akin to that interface. The Wii U is a pragmatic compromise. I just think they've faltered in two key areas:

1.) They haven't really sold the GamePad as a legitimate gamechanger. It's neat, but is it really evident in regards to what sets it apart from the other options in terms of appearing integral to Wii U games?
2.) To keep the price low and relatively profitable (it's profitable with one game purchase), they once again cut corners when the system should have been at least marginally more powerful than the existing consoles on the market.

Ideally for Nintendo, they would have launched with a more substantive title than a mini-game collection that tied together the tablet interface, and for the next year or so, it would have the go-to platform for the best third party ports that would also hopefully have a cool GamePad feature or two. But, here we are.

[Tasty]

It would be competing with the iPad, but that's not a death sentence (see Kindle Fire, Nexus line, Surface, etc.) It's a hot space and contentionally the future of personal computing (as in, consumption/non-content-generational.)

I just think, Nintendo would be able to compete in that space since the Wii U would offer a "twist." "Buy the Wii U if you want a tablet, but enjoy real gaming." Maybe that's a smaller selling point than I imagine, but who knows, no one's tried it, and it gets me a hell of a lot more excited to think about than I ever got from Wii U's announcement to today.

It's not a solution to Nintendo's current implementation, but an alternate one. I don't think your "should haves" are off base. They've done a poor job showing why the tablet/asymmetrical stuff is worth a brand new console, and the specs are just a complete let-down from every single definable angle (except for maybe the streaming tech and the amount of RAM.)

[archnemesis]

I doubt Nintendo are capable of creating a product that can compete against all-purpose tablets in terms of specs and user interface. It would more likely end up in the same category of failed experiments as Nokia's N-Gage and Sony's Xperia Play.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Considering how the industry is turning out and how things are trending, I wouldn't be totally surprised to see the next Nintendo device be a convergence between their consoles and handhelds in the form of a tablet.

[archnemesis]

The current generation of home consoles has sold 20% more than the previous one. I'm not sure where all this doom and gloom is coming from.

[Tasty]

The current generation of home consoles has sold 20% more than the previous one. I'm not sure where all this doom and gloom is coming from.

Current generation is also longer than 20% of the previous one, no duh. Last gen was 5/6 years, this one is 7/8. That's 25-30% longer.

This generation is gonna be ugly, it's not going to match the last one and that'll be a first. It's like capitalism which sort of demands everyone to have a job, and then the machines make 99% of jobs go away. The system only works because it expects certain things, and one of those things is a healthy amount of growth. Stagnation is bad enough, but a contraction... gonna be a slaughterhouse.

[archnemesis]

It's not like the products are pulled off the market once a new console is introduced (well, maybe in Xbox's case). The PS2 is still selling.

At the moment neither smartphones or tablets are a good replacement for traditional console gaming. Sure you have a large market, but people simply aren't willing to pay $40-60 for games on their mobile devices.

[Tasty]

It's not like the products are pulled off the market once a new console is introduced (well, maybe in Xbox's case). The PS2 is still selling.

Software isn't though, and that's the point. New systems revitalize software sales, and software sales make the industry go 'round.

[archnemesis]

...and you won't find those software sales on tablets anytime soon. I suggest people wait for Microsoft and Sony to launch their next-gen consoles before they dismiss the concept of video game consoles. You also have 50 million Steam users that might help make up for the low initial next-gen install base.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Sorry but the idea that the home console/pc market is being impacted by mobiles is a bit crazy. The handheld market sure, but the home console market is really different.

People that buy 10 million copies of Fifa, Madden, COD etc. each year won't switch to tablets and mobiles. Grandma or soccermom that bought a DS for Brain Training, yes, these people are gone to mobiles. But that's a very different market.

The only one really losing here is Nintendo, Sony and MS already tap into a different demographic. So for them even if next gen would see a contraction (which it prob won't) that contraction would come from Nintendo's piece of the pie.

[Cerveza mas fina]

All in all I think this is the worst launch since Saturn, and I got that shortly after launch 

Then again I'd put the Saturn launch above WiiU cause it got games like Virtua Fighter, Daytona and Panzer Dragoon. And while Daytona was a horrible letterboxed port, and Virtua Fighter wasn't the best either they were both kick ass AAA titles that brought the arcade to my room and were for the time pretty damn impressive coming from 16 bit shit (if you didn't look at to shin den and ridge racer graphic wise). Saturn had a certain WOW factor of seeing 3D and Sega arcade games at home.

WiiU doesn't offer ANYTHING like that. The only WOW is "WOW ive seen better looking games 7 years ago (KAMEO)"

[archnemesis]

Customers would probably been amazed by New Super Mario Bros. U if it wasn't for NSMB, NSMBW, and NSMB2.

[Don Flamenco]

A Vita with a PS1 attached to it

[bork]

Customers would probably been amazed by New Super Mario Bros. U if it wasn't for NSMB, NSMBW, and NSMB2.

Not to mention the superior 3D Land last year on 3DS.  Never thought I'd see the day when people didn't care about a new Mario game at a system launch, but NSMB has turned into the equivalent of Namco's Ridge Racer as they continue to rehash the same game over and over again.

[maxy]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-black-ops-2-wii-u-face-off

[Cerveza mas fina]

WiiU worse then PS3

[Cerveza mas fina]

Maybe I'm not as sensitive to frame rate inconsistencies as you are, but I'm gong off my own eye test. The image quality increase outstrips any frame drops that may be going on. Who knows, as I play more, I may see what you're talking about more clearly.

It may have been scientifically proven that the earth revolves around the sun, but I'll trust my own senses.

[maxy]

A good entry port. If this is the starting point for Wii U ports, then the console shows a lot of promise.

[Joe Molotov]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-black-ops-2-wii-u-face-off

Two Wiis duct-taped together.

[cool breeze]

I learned that the 360 pad uses bluetooth and can connect to PCs, but there aren't any drivers for it yet.  Should be a nice comfy couch controller for 'retro' games/emulation.

[ManaByte]

I really like the Pro controller. Going to try it out right now with Tekken Tag 2.

[MrAngryFace]

iirc most of the ports, save maybe Darksiders II, run kinda shit. Even Orochi Warriors 3 runs shitty in spots- but I love that game so it can do no wrong goty

[maxy]

A good entry port. If this is the starting point for Wii U ports, then the console shows a lot of promise.

Yall, this is not maxy's post but random GAF nidiot's.

filthy lies 

I typed(copy-pasted) it myself.


This launch is certainly fun(even though I kinda expected this to happen).I wonder what Iwata(Andrex) plan B will look like,

Super Wii Ambassadors,price cut,FF7 remake ?

I have to admit,I was pretty stunned by Bayonetta 2 so I expect unexpected.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I thought SE didn't want to remake FF7 on last gen hardware.

[Don Flamenco]

let them have a FF7 remake.  it's going to suck shit through a twisty straw.