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[huckleberry]

That Haunted post has to be a troll.


right?

[Eel O'Brian]

Nintendo:

[Joe Molotov]

Wii U = Wii with a Pentium 4 taped to it

[Tasty]

That Haunted post has to be a troll.


right?

Yes, Haunted and I have been having a good time trolling Wii U threads lately.

[Brehvolution]

Nintendo:

Classic movie

[Don Flamenco]

1.243125 JAPANESE GIGAHERTZ 

[Shaka Khan]

Yes, which explains why it's so efficient.

[Don Flamenco]

ALL THE HATERS NEED TO WATCH THIS VIDEO 

[Joe Molotov]

I'm surprised Nintendo even sprang for the luxury of a CPU, all you need is a GPGPU and DAT EDRAM and it's next gen up in herrrrrrr!

[Eel O'Brian]

Classic movie

I must've watched that a dozen times on HBO way back when

[Great Rumbler]

I gotta say the spin Nintards came up with now:

"well if it is indeed that slow CPU (gimme the receipts!) then Wii U is an amazing piece of tech if it can run Batman, ME3, AC3 looking 95% as good as the PS360 versions despite having CPU 66% slower! Dat GPGPU!"

So, I guess the devs weren't that lazy after all.

[Eel O'Brian]

They've been given but a brief reprieve from that horseshit

They'll be right back to being labeled lazy in less than a month

[bachikarn]

Wasn't the Wii processor just an over clocked gamecube processor? So this thing is like literally three gamecubes taped together?

[MrAngryFace]

IT WORKED FOR 3DFX AND THE VOODOO AND IT WILL WORK FOR NINTENDO

[maxy]

Fifa 13 demo is up for EU users.10 tries only

[bork]

I love Nintendo- it's awesome that they have done all of this for our amusement!   

[Purple Filth]

Shin'en strikes again.

"The CPU and GPU are a good match. As said before, today’s hardware has bottlenecks with memory throughput when you don’t care about your coding style and data layout. This is true for any hardware and can’t be only cured by throwing more megahertz and cores on it. Fortunately Nintendo made very wise choices for cache layout, ram latency and ram size to work against these pitfalls. Also Nintendo took care that other components like the Wii U GamePad screen streaming, or the built-in camera don’t put a burden on the CPU or GPU."

You hear that? Stop focusing on Mhz. Focus on the architecture.

dude is such a nintendo cocksucker its hilarious

Fifa 13 demo is up for EU users.10 tries only

 


new tweets

Hector Martin ‏@marcan42
The Espresso is an out of order design with a much shorter pipeline. It should win big on IPC on most code, but it has weak SIMD.

Hector Martin ‏@marcan42
It's worth noting that Espresso is *not* comparable clock per clock to a Xenon or a Cell. Think P4 vs. P3-derived Core series.

Hector Martin ‏@marcan42
No hardware threads. One per core. No new SIMD, just paired singles. But it's a saner core than the P4esque stuff in 360/PS3.

sound like its gonna get the ps3 defense (its different but "awesome", even though most games still don't beat its competitor performance wise)

[bork]

Let's summarize this hilarity so far:

spoiler (click to show/hide)

[close]

Wii U


360
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ZombiU is a game trapped in the wrong genre. The run-and-gun multiplayer modes emphasise the game's competent shooting mechanics and ability to create interesting enemy encounters. However those two aspects of play are de-emphasised in the game proper, replaced with a bare minimum of story, and some simple puzzles. ZombiU could have been an enjoyable action game, but instead it is a poor entry in the survival horror genre.

Wii U 'Has A Horrible, Slow CPU' Says Metro Last Light Dev

David Lynch

Wii U's tech specs aren't as impressive as initially thought and 4A Games won't be bringing Metro: Last Light to Nintendo's new console.

Published on Nov 20, 2012

Nintendo’s Wii U is out in the US and with reports coming in that its struggling in a number of areas, many are claiming its third party games aren’t quite up to the visual standard of their Xbox 360 and PS3 cousins.

That the Wii U struggles to render games (that run perfectly on the Xbox 360 and the PS3) is a worrying trend for Nintendo. In fact, some games currently scheduled for release on the 360, PS3 and PC won’t be heading to the Wii U at all because of the differences in processing power.

One of these titles will be 4 A Games’ Metro: Last Light. Chief technical officer, Oles Shishkovtsov, explains why Metro’s sequel won’t be appearing.

“[The] Wii U has a horrible, slow CPU,” explained Shishkovtsov. “We had an early look at it, we thought we could probably do it, but in terms of the impact we would make on the overall quality of the game – potentially to its detriment – we just figured it wasn’t worth pursuing at this time. It’s something we might return to. I really couldn’t make any promises, though.”

Despite Nintendo’s console offering Metro: Last Light new experiences to its players with it dual screens, when asked Shishkovtsov was adamant that the Wii U would ever seen Metro: Last Light when asked directly.

“We had an initial look at the Wii U, but given the size of the team and compared to where we were last time, just developing for the Playstation 3 is a significant addition.”

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1687689/wii_u_has_a_horrible_slow_cpu_says_metro_last_light_dev.html

-Wii U sold 400,000 units during its first week.
-The Wii sold 600,000+ units during the same time frame.

Meanwhile-

http://majornelson.com/2012/11/27/xbox-360-black-friday-report/

I just checked the internal data for our Black Friday numbers* and wanted to let you know that over the Holiday weekend:

Xbox 360 sold more than 750,000 consoles in the U.S. alone –exceeding internal forecasts.
Three month Xbox LIVE Gold Subscription sales increased more than 50 percent compared to last year’s Black Friday week.
We saw incredible activity on Xbox over the weekend. For example, on Sunday alone we had more than 14 million people on Xbox LIVE across the world, racking up more than 72 million hours of use in just one day.
Compared to 2011, we’ve seen a 43 percent increase in U.S. entertainment application hours logged on Xbox LIVE during the week of Black Friday.

* Sunday, Nov. 18 – Friday, Nov. 23

http://kotaku.com/5962012/560-people-are-paying-black-ops-ii-online-on-the-wii-u-right-now

Kotaku started the story, twitter had some extra numbers (below)

Wii U: 512 multiplayer, 42 zombies.
Steam: 64,015 peak multiplayer. 1,868 zombies current. 9.716 peak zombies.
PS3: 570,000 multiplayer. 115,000 zombies.
360: 641,000 multiplayer. 800,000 on launch day.

[MrAngryFace]

lol

[Tasty]

Isn't this a CG cutscene on 360 while being actually rendered on Wii U?

[archnemesis]

They're both CG cutscenes. Why would a full motion video have jagged shadows?

[Tasty]

I dunno lol.

[Joe Molotov]

sound like its gonna get the ps3 defense (its different but "awesome", even though most games still don't beat its competitor performance wise)

"Different but awesome" is the 21st century version of "separate but equal". Wii U owners to be reclassified as 3/5ths of a person.

[maxy]

They're both CG cutscenes. Why would a full motion video have jagged shadows?

Low res shadow map?

Not sure why they used it

[archnemesis]

I suppose it's possible they used crappy settings to make the transition between real-time and pre-recorded graphics less jarring.

[Phoenix Dark]

Ok nerds so does this mean it will definitely struggle with next gen ports in the long term?

[MCD]

It's already struggling.

[archnemesis]

You mean current gen ports? Yes, it will struggle with most of them. There might be ways to get games to run decently on the system, but most developers aren't going to be bothered with such a small install base.

[bork]

It's gonna be like every other Nintendo console since the N64- Nintendo titles like Mario and Zelda still sell tons of units, you get a couple of good third party Japanese-developed games, and apart from those it's gonna be a dust magnet most of the time.

But this time I see Nintendo either re-releasing an improved version of the console (with more HDD space, for example) and/or an improved controller with a better touch screen, resolution, and battery life.

And the N-thing hype cycle will begin anew.

Despite all that, you just know this system is going to dominate in Japan with its Monster Hunter 3DS port-up and Dragon Quest X Wii port-up lololololol, etc. etc.

This is the first console since the Jaguar and 3D0 that I don't see myself owning.  Even with at least one game I'm really interested in on the horizon in Bayonetta 2.

[Sho Nuff]

This thread is the gift that keeps on giving

[Momo]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44879942&postcount=773

The problem Nintendo has is their market aims. It seems to be a conscious choice.


To the enthusiast gamer, everything that's not as powerful as current technology allows is "gimped". It's a bit like an auto enthusiast who rails that a mass market consumer minivan is a piece of crap because somewhere in the world, there are Ferraris. It's true that the minivan is no Ferrari, so the enthusiast has a point - but he's also missing the point that the minivan's job is not to be a Ferrari. And in some ways, it's better... like cargo capacity, fuel efficiency, etc.


It's hard for me even with this news to see the Wii U's hardware as "Nintendo cheeps out on j00 suckers". Because Nintendo's goal was not to make a $500 console that was way more powerful than PS360 plus included an iPad. Again, their self-chosen path and problem is that they deal with the mass market. A $300 console (the base model) sounds like their absolute upper limit for MSRP, to not scare away the authentic mainstream audience. Within that price, their concept for the system included an expensive to develop, and not cheap to produce touch screen / motion sensing interface device.


Nintendo doesn't seem to have "gimped" on anything within the price range they had to remain within, considering the total components that make up the system. If the Xbox 360 had ha a cheaper CPU, it could have had more ram, for example. But there were specific priorities and they were followed. Wii U was designed with specific priorities and this is what we got.


The joke with the FUD being spread is that you still have ports like ACIII at launch, made in a rush, that effectively look and run about like the PS3 version of the same game. If people stopped and thought for a moment, they'd see that clearly, something in Nintendo's design strategy for the console is working. Otherwise that game would not exist on Wii U and if it did, never with that kind of port parity.

Edit: I would add that the most questionable thing in the entire matter IMO is Nintendo's very obvious entreaties to 3rd parties about Wii U being friendly towards them from a development and power standpoint. Obviously, working on the console involves some major strategic shifts and while that doesn't mean the hardware is bad, it probably does make Nintendo's official PR line sound like damage control. But then we have all those months and months of some 3rd parties saying the hardware is great, some griping it sucks, etc etc. Opinions, woohah!

 

[bork]

So, in other words:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44879942&postcount=773

I just can't accept that the Wii U sucks

 

[Joe Molotov]

Alternate TL;DR version: Nintendo said 1.24ghz is good enough, so it must be. *slurp, slurp*

[Cerveza mas fina]

It's hard to believe people defend the pricepoint considering what they are getting tech wise.

It's like they lost track of reality.

[bork]

MIYAMOTO-SAMA AND IWATA-SAMA CANNOT BE WRONGU!

LET US ASK MIYAMOTO-SAMA WHY HE LIKES NINTENDO



DOU SHITE~

[maxy]

It will be a though year for Nintendo headquarters if this thing doesn't sell well,especially in the West.

 :geoff

[bork]

It will be a though year for Nintendo headquarters if this thing doesn't sell well,especially in the West.

 :geoff

They can always go back to making playing cards!

[Purple Filth]

It will be a though year for Nintendo headquarters if this thing doesn't sell well,especially in the West.

 :geoff

They can always go back to making playing cards!

Or finally make those love hotels rumored so long ago 



now i'll wait for 200 and less on the deluxe before jumping in since god knows there wont be any game that will make me wanna buy one earlier than that.

[bork]

[Joe Molotov]

It will be a though year for Nintendo headquarters if this thing doesn't sell well,especially in the West.

 :geoff

They can always go back to making playing cards!

The cards are half the size of regular playing cards, but they only cost $20 a pack, what more do you expect!?

[Timber]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44879942&postcount=773

Dude is such a fucking muppet 

[Joe Molotov]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44882925&postcount=977
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44884177&postcount=1091
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44885409&postcount=1180

Developers love low clock speeds because it forces them to be more creative, resulting in better games. Because that's totally what happened on the Wii, oh man all those GOTYs coming out weekly, we were just drowning in them!

[bachikarn]

What's so stupid is Nintendo could have a more powerful machine at the same price point and profit margin, but they force a low power consumption and sizing requirement. I guess they do that because it's preferable in Japan, but console gaming is like dead in Japan. Why design it for that market?

[Steve Youngblood]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44882925&postcount=977
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44884177&postcount=1091
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44885409&postcount=1180

Developers love low clock speeds because it forces them to be more creative, resulting in better games. Because that's totally what happened on the Wii, oh man all those GOTYs coming out weekly, we were just drowning in them!

I always love the posts decrying that hardware doesn't matter in a thread devoted to talking about hardware.

[Momo]

Shaka, pass the popcorn

[bork]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44882925&postcount=977
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44884177&postcount=1091
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44885409&postcount=1180

Developers love low clock speeds because it forces them to be more creative, resulting in better games. Because that's totally what happened on the Wii, oh man all those GOTYs coming out weekly, we were just drowning in them!

It will be, but that wasn't my point. My point was, world-class developers don't care about specs. It's about what they can do with the hardware. They don't whine and cry about a lack of "power", they just make something badass.

He's right.  They will do this- on another console.

[Cascade]

 
This guy can't be serious, please tell me it isn't possible to be this out of touch with reality:

The Wii U's online system right now has account names, friend requests, a digital distribution platform, YouTube, etc. Unless you like paying double the cost of your console so that you can download games onto your friend's hardware, I'd say they have a better platform than Microsoft.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44885908&postcount=1234

[Cerveza mas fina]

The Wii U's online system right now has account names, friend requests, a digital distribution platform, YouTube, etc.  Unless you like paying double the cost of your console so that you can download games onto your friend's hardware, I'd say they have a better platform than Microsoft.

[maxy]

What's so stupid is Nintendo could have a more powerful machine at the same price point and profit margin, but they force a low power consumption and sizing requirement. I guess they do that because it's preferable in Japan, but console gaming is like dead in Japan. Why design it for that market?

I don't think they did(Wii sold much more in the West than in Japan).
Tablets are pretty popular in the West,so maybe they thought this was the next big thing.

[Tasty]

This guy can't be serious, please tell me it isn't possible to be this out of touch with reality:

The Wii U's online system right now has account names, friend requests, a digital distribution platform, YouTube, etc. Unless you like paying double the cost of your console so that you can download games onto your friend's hardware, I'd say they have a better platform than Microsoft.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44885908&postcount=1234

What a dumb thing to say.

[Tasty]

Lore weighs in.

We're experiencing flat out shameful, incompetent design. Decade-old hardware in a primarily $350 box is not necessary or even particularly beneficial in order to secure an aggressive profit margin, and having power trade-offs with the 360/PS3 architectures ensures bad press and unhappy port-buyers from the beginning, when upgraded current gen ports were very much part of the launch strategy. Fils-Aime has to run laughably dishonest damage control on a daily basis as part of this catastrophic failure to produce a technologically viable system -- again, at such a premium price point.

No worries, though. I'm sure soccer moms worldwide, with their iPads and Nexus 7s sitting on the coffee table, will be enthralled by the unique selling point of a living room tethered, two hour battery life, PDA-era resistive touch screen tablet controller.

[Sho Nuff]

This may be the biggest meltdown I have ever witnessed

[maxy]

We all know that there is nothing that hurts ninthings more than sales.All of this will be nothing if WiiU hardware and software start underperforming.

[bork]

Lore weighs in.

We're experiencing flat out shameful, incompetent design. Decade-old hardware in a primarily $350 box is not necessary or even particularly beneficial in order to secure an aggressive profit margin, and having power trade-offs with the 360/PS3 architectures ensures bad press and unhappy port-buyers from the beginning, when upgraded current gen ports were very much part of the launch strategy. Fils-Aime has to run laughably dishonest damage control on a daily basis as part of this catastrophic failure to produce a technologically viable system -- again, at such a premium price point.

No worries, though. I'm sure soccer moms worldwide, with their iPads and Nexus 7s sitting on the coffee table, will be enthralled by the unique selling point of a living room tethered, two hour battery life, PDA-era resistive touch screen tablet controller.

[cool breeze]

We all know that there is nothing that hurts ninthings more than sales.All of this will be nothing if WiiU hardware and software start underperforming.

realistically the focus will shift to sales in Japan, since those are the only ones that matter (à la PSP)

[Takao]

We all know that there is nothing that hurts ninthings more than sales.All of this will be nothing if WiiU hardware and software start underperforming.

realistically the focus will shift to sales in Japan, since those are the only ones that matter (à la PSP)

Given Nintendo region locks everything now if Wii U is successful in Japan, but not the west the amount of crying over localizations not happening will be beautiful.

I'll probably be crying and laughing since if this thing is enough of a success in Japan there's bound to be some stuff I want to play. : /

[Purple Filth]

damn HAL is working overtime in that GAF thread 

[bork]

We all know that there is nothing that hurts ninthings more than sales.All of this will be nothing if WiiU hardware and software start underperforming.

maxy knows whats up

There is no architecture old enough (try Commodore 64) Nintards won't champion as long as the sales are impressive.

Well I mean what else are they gonna do with no new games to play?   

[Tasty]

damn HAL is working overtime in that GAF thread 

I have a feeling he's gonna be banned pretty soon if he keeps it up. "All my friends at Retro are totally stoked for Wii U! Trust me! Trust them! _{Disclaimer: Retro is a first party Nintendo studio.}"

[Steve Youngblood]

I have a feeling he's gonna be banned pretty soon if he keeps it up. "All my friends at Retro are totally stoked for Wii U! Trust me! Trust them! _{Disclaimer: Retro is a first party Nintendo studio.}"

And oddly, he has segued from that to seemingly focusing on how graphics aren't everything. It's getting to the point where I don't even understand what people are arguing anymore.