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[Tasty]

Miiverse is indeed quite nice.

[pilonv1]

Someone explain what's so great about Miiverse, all I see is people talking about it but not why it's any good

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=45346905&postcount=81

This will get fixed.

Nintendo seem to be deliberately adopting an Ikea model of releasing things broken and fixing them as it goes along. I say deliberately because Nintendo are control freaks and never seem to do things by mistake. They might make odd choices but there is always a strategy.

In this case they have released their last two consoles (wiiU and 3ds) pretty much broken at launch, this goes against almost everything that we've learnt about Nintendo before -- that they usually provide extremely hardware and software.

So, one of two things are happening. There is a serious problem at Nintendo or they are experimenting -- Other people release broken products, so if Apple get away with it why can't we?

From the way Nintendo publicised the machine, I think they want the WiiU to be a 'grower'. They want word of mouth. The machine is geared towards social behaviour after all.

There is some psychological evidence that says that when you build something, when you are stressed about something, when you are forced to wait, you bond with it more when it eventually works. This is the case with almost every work of art -- some people are turned off by this, but it's exactly how something like Jazz music works, the mental effort (and sometimes pain) that is required, pays off in the long run. Demon Souls works in exactly the same way.

Now, I think this is a pretty strange strategy but I do think it could be justified. And I'm not saying that this IS what they're doing but it could certainly be part of it. They could also have been forced into this decision by time constraints, but I highly doubt they would release a console in this state without knowing that it can be fixed. They would never take a gamble like this without a solid strategy, that's just not what Nintendo do.

Personally, despite the slowness, I think it's a great console OS, mainly because the path from grabbing the gamepad and getting straight into a game has been streamlined. On top of the portability, features like being able to pause the game, watch a video, then go back into the game are useful. As long as the ports from other machines maintain this quality I will be getting them on the WiiU for this reason.

And yes I know that many people here scream 'those ports are shit'. But they're not, They're just not. They're slightly different, much like PS3 versions.
That the console isn't more powerful is a disappointment, but it doesn't matter. The advantages that the gamepad has over the others, not just the screen, but the comfort and accuracy of the sticks (BLOPS) just makes it better for gaming in my opinion, not by miles, but easily enough to sway me.

This is a launch and I doubt we will see many of these problems in a few months, once everyone has got to grips with the machine. And that includes Nintendo.

[D3RANG3D]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=45346905&postcount=81

This will get fixed.

Nintendo seem to be deliberately adopting an Ikea model of releasing things broken and fixing them as it goes along. I say deliberately because Nintendo are control freaks and never seem to do things by mistake. They might make odd choices but there is always a strategy.

In this case they have released their last two consoles (wiiU and 3ds) pretty much broken at launch, this goes against almost everything that we've learnt about Nintendo before -- that they usually provide extremely hardware and software.

So, one of two things are happening. There is a serious problem at Nintendo or they are experimenting -- Other people release broken products, so if Apple get away with it why can't we?

From the way Nintendo publicised the machine, I think they want the WiiU to be a 'grower'. They want word of mouth. The machine is geared towards social behaviour after all.

There is some psychological evidence that says that when you build something, when you are stressed about something, when you are forced to wait, you bond with it more when it eventually works. This is the case with almost every work of art -- some people are turned off by this, but it's exactly how something like Jazz music works, the mental effort (and sometimes pain) that is required, pays off in the long run. Demon Souls works in exactly the same way.

Now, I think this is a pretty strange strategy but I do think it could be justified. And I'm not saying that this IS what they're doing but it could certainly be part of it. They could also have been forced into this decision by time constraints, but I highly doubt they would release a console in this state without knowing that it can be fixed. They would never take a gamble like this without a solid strategy, that's just not what Nintendo do.

Personally, despite the slowness, I think it's a great console OS, mainly because the path from grabbing the gamepad and getting straight into a game has been streamlined. On top of the portability, features like being able to pause the game, watch a video, then go back into the game are useful. As long as the ports from other machines maintain this quality I will be getting them on the WiiU for this reason.

And yes I know that many people here scream 'those ports are shit'. But they're not, They're just not. They're slightly different, much like PS3 versions.
That the console isn't more powerful is a disappointment, but it doesn't matter. The advantages that the gamepad has over the others, not just the screen, but the comfort and accuracy of the sticks (BLOPS) just makes it better for gaming in my opinion, not by miles, but easily enough to sway me.

This is a launch and I doubt we will see many of these problems in a few months, once everyone has got to grips with the machine. And that includes Nintendo.

[Steve Youngblood]

Someone explain what's so great about Miiverse, all I see is people talking about it but not why it's any good

It's a semi-neat Twitter-like interface that some games hook into nicely.

[Tasty]

Someone explain what's so great about Miiverse, all I see is people talking about it but not why it's any good

I dunno, it's just nice I guess. The art posts are good/amazing-for-the-medium and it's cool seeing the progress your chums are making in various games, and also bragging about how far you've gotten and getting some Yeahs and comments. It's just a good positive feedback loop.

[cool breeze]

Someone explain what's so great about Miiverse, all I see is people talking about it but not why it's any good

It's like Twitter comments in Steam communities but contextualized and with drawing.

And at least for the Nintendo games (Nintendo Land and Mario) it integrates messages into the levels.  So, you'll see message balloons saying "third coin is hard" or a drawing of mario angry or some shit over that level.

[Steve Youngblood]

It's also worth noting that some of the communities are entertaining. My personal favorite right now is that Rayman Rabbids game community (I don't even know what it's called). All the posts are just Willem Dafoe references for some reason. I assume there's some story there, but I don't care. It's just dumb and good for a cheap laugh.

[Purple Filth]

Someone explain what's so great about Miiverse, all I see is people talking about it but not why it's any good

i like it due to the option for handwriting/drawings and some of those drawings look cool imo

[pilonv1]

Thanks, thought I might be missing something.

This is the case with almost every work of art

Saw this from WorstGAFPosts on twitter, loved it.

[Tasty]

US eShop updates today:

- Rayman demo
- Sonic racin' demo
- Batman full game

Probably some other stuff to be revealed in a PR later today. Nabbing the demos and might get Batman.

[Cerveza mas fina]

So far - it's better than i gave it credit for i guess. Miiverse is legitimately quite nice, but no BLOW ME AWAY experiences as of yet.

Wait for E3.

10/10

[cool breeze]

I tried out the demos out of curiosity.  Rayman is fun in a different way than Origins.  Of the three levels only one was a normal platformer and even that felt different.

In Sonic Racing they moved controls from the bottom buttons on the 360 pad to the top buttons on the Wii U.  Makes sense to compensate for the unusual button placement.  The other interesting part of that game is how bad it looked when playing on the gamepad.  Does it stream at a lower bitrate for certain games?

Also, calling the primary shoulder buttons ZR/ZL and the secondary ones L/R is weird.

[Himu]

this is the best mega64

[Steve Youngblood]

Man, reading the last few pages of the Wii U launch thread over at GAF, and I see that there's a new Wii U superfan amongst the ranks, and his name is DCharlie.

[Cerveza mas fina]

DC charlie is just mad trolling prob

[bork]

DCharlie seems to be really high on the karaoke app-thing and playing Nintendoland with his son.  Has he tried any games yet?

[Barry Egan]

The X-fag Emporer is dead, and Wii have killed him.

[Tasty]

guys

what are you doing

guys

stahp

Otherwise DC will leave The Bore like Andrex and magus.

I'm here to help the new converts, he'll be fine.

[Great Rumbler]

Man, reading the last few pages of the Wii U launch thread over at GAF, and I see that there's a new Wii U superfan amongst the ranks, and his name is DCharlie.

mods help

[Steve Youngblood]

Look at him! He's now in there doing damage control for Nintendo!

AKA : Launch period is a launch period.

I've had the utter reverse for the second time with a Nintendo machine (3ds) - went in expecting MEH, came away more than happy with what i got.

That said - i'm not in this for the ports from X360/PS3 - i have those machines so they aren't of importance and unless a port -outclasses- the X360/PS3 significantly i'll likely stay on those machines for my 3rd party titles.

But hey - things are a bit sluggish and could be better, some of the UI choices are a bit lacking, but what is there that works well is -very- good. Miiverse is -oustanding- in its simplicity and usability, Nintendoland is way more fun than it has any right to be, everything is pick-up-and-play able.

However, WiiU is in for a rough 4-5 months or so waiting for titles to come (especially here in Japan where we already have MH) and i BET we get to "Vita/3DS" levels of DOOOOM during those times. It's a launch - people just need to relax.

[Van Cruncheon]

ew, disgusting

i have a wii u and play with my brat and she can't get me to touch nintendoland again

[bork]

It's not DCharlie.

Someone hacked his account.

That's the only explanation. 

Right?  RIGHT?! 

 

[D3RANG3D]

ew, disgusting

i have a wii u and play with my brat and she can't get me to touch nintendoland again

This thread beckons you.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=503940

[maxy]

End is near

[ToxicAdam]

I love when gamers justify a console purchase by saying they can watch movies on it.

[Van Cruncheon]

good god, parents are delusional. i swear, your kid could bring home a dog turd and ask to keep it as a pet and when he/she looks at you with that excited look you go "oh, whatever, awwww."

outside of the fact that the controller is surprisingly ergonomic, the wii u is a bad machine and dcharlie should feel bad.

[Great Rumbler]

I love when gamers justify a console purchase by saying they can watch movies on it.

I bought a Roku a few months ago. Cost me about $50 and I can watch Hulu, Netflix, Amazon Instant Video, and Crunchyroll. So yeah, that justification is pretty flimsy.

[Steve Youngblood]

I bought a Roku a few months ago. Cost me about $50 and I can watch Hulu, Netflix, Amazon Instant Video, and Crunchyroll. So yeah, that justification is pretty flimsy.

Can I play Nintendo Land on a Roku box?

[D3RANG3D]

I bought a Roku a few months ago. Cost me about $50 and I can watch Hulu, Netflix, Amazon Instant Video, and Crunchyroll. So yeah, that justification is pretty flimsy.

Can I play Nintendo Land on a Roku box?

You can play angry birds and muffin knight.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Which are better "games" than nintendo land.

[close]

[Rahxephon91]

I bought a Roku a few months ago. Cost me about $50 and I can watch Hulu, Netflix, Amazon Instant Video, and Crunchyroll. So yeah, that justification is pretty flimsy.

Can I play Nintendo Land on a Roku box?

No. Advantage Roku.

[Purple Filth]

Look at him! He's now in there doing damage control for Nintendo!

AKA : Launch period is a launch period.

I've had the utter reverse for the second time with a Nintendo machine (3ds) - went in expecting MEH, came away more than happy with what i got.

That said - i'm not in this for the ports from X360/PS3 - i have those machines so they aren't of importance and unless a port -outclasses- the X360/PS3 significantly i'll likely stay on those machines for my 3rd party titles.

But hey - things are a bit sluggish and could be better, some of the UI choices are a bit lacking, but what is there that works well is -very- good. Miiverse is -oustanding- in its simplicity and usability, Nintendoland is way more fun than it has any right to be, everything is pick-up-and-play able.

However, WiiU is in for a rough 4-5 months or so waiting for titles to come (especially here in Japan where we already have MH) and i BET we get to "Vita/3DS" levels of DOOOOM during those times. It's a launch - people just need to relax.

*pours 40*

[Van Cruncheon]

i found the "some of the UI choices are a bit lacking" and "miiverse is outstanding" bits as particularly quality trolls

[Joe Molotov]

What's next; is demi gonna buy a Vita and tell us that the lineup really isn't all that bad?

[Tasty]

I love when gamers justify a console purchase by saying they can watch movies on it.

AKA "the PS3 defense."

[AdmiralViscen]

 

I bought a Roku a few months ago. Cost me about $50 and I can watch Hulu, Netflix, Amazon Instant Video, and Crunchyroll. So yeah, that justification is pretty flimsy.

Can I play Nintendo Land on a Roku box?

No. Advantage Roku.

 

[Mr. Gundam]

I love when gamers justify a console purchase by saying they can watch movies on it.

AKA "the PS3 defense."

You have some irrational hatred of Sony don't you?

In other news, the sky is blue.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Ps3 made sense as a BR player back in 2006 but ninturds dont understand the concept of being cutting edge tech

[Tasty]

I love when gamers justify a console purchase by saying they can watch movies on it.

AKA "the PS3 defense."

You have some irrational hatred of Sony don't you?

You don't understand jokes do you?

[Sho Nuff]

We were downloading a demo and then the machine hard locked. The OS told us the download in progress was corrupted and we had to manually delete the file and start the process over again.

Nintendo is very good at this type of thing

[ToxicAdam]

Actually, I was referring to PS3 owners also. It was a common thing they would say during the first year when there was absolutely nothing to play.

[Tasty]

I really wish Atari didn't have a patent on minigames during load screens.

[Mr. Gundam]

I really wish Atari didn't have a patent on minigames during load screens.

Huh? Namco has done that before with Ridge Racer games.

[Steve Youngblood]

I thought it was Namco that had that patent. I remember playing Galaga while Tekken 1 loaded.

[D3RANG3D]

I really wish Atari didn't have a patent on minigames during load screens.

Huh? Namco has done that before with Ridge Racer games.

I remember some linux distros would also let you play games during installation.

[DCharlieJP]

good god, parents are delusional. i swear, your kid could bring home a dog turd and ask to keep it as a pet and when he/she looks at you with that excited look you go "oh, whatever, awwww."

outside of the fact that the controller is surprisingly ergonomic, the wii u is a bad machine and dcharlie should feel bad.

Hehe, tis true. I have played about 15 minutes of anything whilst the kids screwed around with it.

If you look at what I said - it's better than I expected - I'm not saying it's anything other than being more fun than I expected and will fit in as a nice end-of-this-gen time killer

I don't feel bad - I will feel better if I can actually play some MH though

[Tasty]

I really wish Atari didn't have a patent on minigames during load screens.

Huh? Namco has done that before with Ridge Racer games.

Maybe it was Namco. Whoever did the DBZ games.

[DCharlieJP]

Weird - the Zx spectrum had games during loading in 1980s - with 3-5 minute tape load times they were a godsend. Think Joe Blade 2 was the first

[Sho Nuff]

We just played Rayman, it was really nice looking and boring

[Third]

Can the WiiU play movie DVD's?

[Great Rumbler]

Can the WiiU play movie DVD's?

Of course not.

[Sho Nuff]

Can the WiiU play movie DVD's?

HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

...hoooooooooooooo

[Fifstar]

We just played Rayman, it was really nice looking and boring

Just like Origins then. Games are for weeaboo graphic freaks.

[TakingBackSunday]

can we call all wiiu nintards

wiiabus?

[DCharlieJP]

Whenever i hear "WiiYouuuu" inwant to sing Erasure songs

Oooh wiiiuuu , do we not sail on the ship of fools
Oooh wiiiuuu, why is love so precious and so cruel?

[Van Cruncheon]

weeaboos would never talk up a frenchy effort in a genre Japan is known for

Nay sir tis the westaboos that are to blame for rayman

specifically, euroboos

[Great Rumbler]

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Rayman Origins > New Super Mario Bros. U

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Take that back!

[Sho Nuff]

I'd say the first level of Rayman has more unique assets than all of New SMB U