Game

[Joe Molotov]

Wii U 

[Barry Egan]

Real fans don't mind because the Wii U failing is actually a boon to the systems whimsy quotient.  Being the underdog is super kawaii ^_^;.  This is Nintendo's way of looking out for the fans who know what matters and not succumbing to the financial reality based tedium of adult life.  The WiiU might just eclipse the Virtual Boy as Nintendos most whimsical (read: never played or purchased) console ever! 

[Flannel Boy]

Wii U law: Consumers are more likely to reject a system the more expensive its controller is, whether expense is measured by money, system resources, or learning curve.
The Vita and Wii U Law: Consumers will reject something resembling either a smart phone or tablet when its neither.

[thisismyusername]

Thread title. 

Anyway, it seems pretty telling that the Vita AND WiiU are both selling dismally, but the Vita had a small boost before the nose-dive for the same amount of time the WiiU's been on the market, yeah?

[Human Snorenado]

Welcome to the new paradigm, bitches. 

[Don Flamenco]

Welcome to the new paradigm, bitches.

is it "good video games" yet?  or are we still floundering in industry identity and marketability crisis?

[Human Snorenado]

The latter, coupled with so many options for people's leisure time that there are diminishing returns across the board, which means that the companies that adjust to the new reality soon enough will be the "winners".  And by "winning" I mean "getting to continue to exist"

[maxy]

What happened with Gametrailers and Sony lately ?
Playstation meeting Dos and Don'ts

5 Ways Sony Can win Next-Gen

Top 5 Playstation Moments

20 Games We Want Revealed for PS4 Part 1 and 2

I never seen so much pure hype content for one console announcement. not for any Xbox not for any Playstation and certainly not for any Nintendo console. What happened here?


 :geoff

[Trent Dole]

Hmm, perhaps they got some sort of timed exclusivity deal for PS4 trailers and such in exchange for pre-reveal hype? Or maybe they've just got a crazy fanboy or three on staff.

[maxy]

 

[Third]

Lol, he's just making fun of that suiciding ntard over at neogaf

www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=47802563


The wiiu flopping harder than the vita and dreamcast has made some ntards really paranoia

[maxy]

I like chicken soup.

damn you Third,no more chickens

[maxy]

It's ok,boiling water is ready.

[Human Snorenado]

I'm gonna say 42k.  Which, due to the 4 week month and no releases, will seriously be pointed to by some as a sign of "momentum"

[maxy]

February usually sees a hardware bump,just sayin'.

[Flannel Boy]

33.6k

[Steve Youngblood]

I'm gonna say 42k.  Which, due to the 4 week month and no releases, will seriously be pointed to by some as a sign of "momentum"

I suggest studying up on the Romney campaign to see how to effectively cite "momentum" in spite of reality.

[Steve Youngblood]

I feel like chiming in with 28.8k now, but with the complete understanding that going to that well again isn't as effective.

[Joe Molotov]

8.8k

[Phoenix Dark]

44k for February

[archie4208]

66.6k

The Nintendo Direct announcements will spur sales.

[radioheadrule83]

and the news of this thing being a bigger bomba than the dreamcast, ps3, and GC all combined will hurt sales

It'll probably be behind PS360 in month four unless they do something special, but at the moment:



With the Gamecube and the original Xbox enjoying better starts than the PS2, it goes to show you how much this may or may not mean in future...

I think a lot of people who have one are quite satisfied with it, or will be providing it gets good games. But you're right, the chatter in the media and amongst those who don't have it is terrible. They need to do something or its ejector seat time for somebody.

[bachikarn]

The graph really doesn't take into account what the demand is. Wii and PS2 would have sold more if there were enough units available. I think the x360 was supply constrained in the beginning too, but I might be wrong on that one.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Interesting with the 360. That did launch with the whole 'ill buy it when halo comes out /shrug' thing hanging over it, but i forgot how it wasnt doing so hot for a while

The 360 was damn near impossible to find for the first several months.  I had to import a Japanese 360 (which there were plenty of).

[radioheadrule83]

The graph really doesn't take into account what the demand is. Wii and PS2 would have sold more if there were enough units available. I think the x360 was supply constrained in the beginning too, but I might be wrong on that one.

You're right. Initial shipments sold out in NA and Europe - in Europe the initial shipment was 300,000 and then really only trickled in after that, so it was tricky to get initially... It will have had a slower Summer obviously, like any machine

360 actually got a price drop and new bundles at the 10 month mark ($30 on the core, $50 on the premium) -- which would be like Wii U getting a price drop in August

What's going to be interesting for Wii U is if there's any latent demand that can be unlocked with a price drop, or new software... demand may be hard to generate with either. We'll see I guess..

[Howard Alan Treesong]

38k

start a thread and a pool, I'll put $5 down

[AdmiralViscen]

Interesting with the 360. That did launch with the whole 'ill buy it when halo comes out /shrug' thing hanging over it, but i forgot how it wasnt doing so hot for a while

I remember lines in front of BestBuy for 4 months

[headwalk]

The graph really doesn't take into account what the demand is. Wii and PS2 would have sold more if there were enough units available. I think the x360 was supply constrained in the beginning too, but I might be wrong on that one.

You're right. Initial shipments sold out in NA and Europe - in Europe the initial shipment was 300,000 and then really only trickled in after that, so it was tricky to get initially... It will have had a slower Summer obviously, like any machine

360 actually got a price drop and new bundles at the 10 month mark ($30 on the core, $50 on the premium) -- which would be like Wii U getting a price drop in August

What's going to be interesting for Wii U is if there's any latent demand that can be unlocked with a price drop, or new software... demand may be hard to generate with either. We'll see I guess..

there is zero demand for the console that is the wii u, it's a technological relic anchored around a feature nobody asked for. the hope is that nintendo can hold enough of their IPs to ransom in order to strongarm people into buying a device they neither want nor need.

it will always be a terrible console.

[Sho Nuff]

i miss andrex

[Damian79]

there is zero demand for the console that is the wii u, it's a technological relic anchored around a feature nobody asked for. the hope is that nintendo can hold enough of their IPs to ransom in order to strongarm people into buying a device they neither want nor need.

it will always be a terrible console.

After all it isnt the lack of support for the thing from devs thats the issue. 

[Human Snorenado]

there is zero demand for the console that is the wii u, it's a technological relic anchored around a feature nobody asked for. the hope is that nintendo can hold enough of their IPs to ransom in order to strongarm people into buying a device they neither want nor need.

it will always be a terrible console.

After all it isnt the lack of support for the thing from devs thats the issue. 

I'd say you're deluding yourself if you think that's the entire issue, but really you're a nintendo fan so you're obviously already deluding yourself to some extent

[Damian79]

No its not but it isnded the main issue.  0 games were released that month.  That is abysmal, anyone seeing that will see warning signs.  Not to mention port cancellations, delays etc.  On the other hand aswell people dont buy Nintendo consoles for third party games, there werent really many blockbuster must have titles at launch even GC had like 3 iirc.  Wii U had NSMB U and Nintnedo Land and of those 2 Nintendo land is seen as the better of the 2.  What rubbish.  It isnt the hardware that is the problem it is the software and price of the console.

[Damian79]

Can you blame devs?  If I were looking at WiiU software sales and saw stuff like CoD and AssCrud selling literally 1% of what they sold on other systems, I'd be pretty fucking gunshy too.

Lack of dev support is a symptom, not the source.

I meant inhouse devs.  No one buys a nintendo console for third party games.

[AdmiralViscen]

No one buys a nintendo console after 2009

[Human Snorenado]

No its not but it isnded the main issue.  0 games were released that month.  That is abysmal, anyone seeing that will see warning signs.  Not to mention port cancellations, delays etc.  On the other hand aswell people dont buy Nintendo consoles for third party games, there werent really many blockbuster must have titles at launch even GC had like 3 iirc.  Wii U had NSMB U and Nintnedo Land and of those 2 Nintendo land is seen as the better of the 2.  What rubbish.  It isnt the hardware that is the problem it is the software and price of the console.

Also the fact that the console is an answer to a question no one asked

spoiler (click to show/hide)

THERE'S NO FUCKING DEMAND FOR IT, YOU SIMPLETON

[close]

[AdmiralViscen]

I think there is a lot of demand for resistive touchscreen anus tablets. The Palm Centro had it right all along

[Steve Youngblood]

No its not but it isnded the main issue.  0 games were released that month.  That is abysmal, anyone seeing that will see warning signs.  Not to mention port cancellations, delays etc.  On the other hand aswell people dont buy Nintendo consoles for third party games, there werent really many blockbuster must have titles at launch even GC had like 3 iirc.  Wii U had NSMB U and Nintnedo Land and of those 2 Nintendo land is seen as the better of the 2.  What rubbish.  It isnt the hardware that is the problem it is the software and price of the console.

Until they figure out a way to effectively market the GamePad, I'd say the hardware is a problem as well. Software is arguably more important, but generally it's useful for the platform to have some sort of unique hook to make it attractive. The GamePad was supposed to be that hook, but either it didn't pan out like they'd hoped, or they've just failed spectacularly on the marketing department.

[Human Snorenado]

Really, everything about the weeeeeeoooooooooooooo has been like an AP class in advanced failure, from conception, introduction, marketing, you name it.  I think they could have done better by paying hobos to shit in boxes.

[AdmiralViscen]

The name is a problem too, just like 3DS. Who can keep track of what is a new product and what is just a revised model or add on gimmick.

DS
DS Lite
DSi
DSi XL
3DS

Which is the one I'm supposed to be excited for?

Wii
Wii Fit
Wii MotionPlus
Wii U

Oh ok whatever

[Damian79]

Also the fact that the console is an answer to a question no one asked

spoiler (click to show/hide)

THERE'S NO FUCKING DEMAND FOR IT, YOU SIMPLETON

[close]

Because there arent many good Nintendo games on it.

Until they figure out a way to effectively market the GamePad, I'd say the hardware is a problem as well. Software is arguably more important, but generally it's useful for the platform to have some sort of unique hook to make it attractive. The GamePad was supposed to be that hook, but either it didn't pan out like they'd hoped, or they've just failed spectacularly on the marketing department.

I dont think the gamepad is a problem at all.  The problem is that the Nintendo games they made look exactly like the wii ones.  NSMB U looks like a wii game.  So does nintendo land to an extent.  So people think that it is just an hd versions of the wii if even that with the gamepad gimmick.  People think that they are paying $350 for the gamepad addon.



You guys have to consider that it isnt the gamers that buy a Nintendo console.  It is mostly kids and manchildren.  Man children ok, but for kids these things are ought by their parents.  They dont knwo much about the Wii U, hence why the Wii is out selling it i think.  Oscar can you confirm or no that the wii is out selling the wii u?

[Human Snorenado]

Well, if you want this to be a less successful gamecube, I guess that's the attitude to have.  I don't understand it, but then again I've never accused Nintendo fans of being intelligent.

[Damian79]

Nintendo struck gold with the wii.  The Wii U cannot and will not sell to the same demographic as the wii.  Wii fit U will definitely sell less than the wii fit.

[Purple Filth]

Really, everything about the weeeeeeoooooooooooooo has been like an AP class in advanced failure, from conception, introduction, marketing, you name it.  I think they could have done better by paying hobos to shit in boxes.

Oscar wasn't kidding when he said they were using the early PS3 playbook 

[Phoenix Dark]

38k

start a thread and a pool, I'll put $5 down

worst prediction gets lepered for a month

[Flannel Boy]

PD, the only bad predictions are zero and anything over 56k.

[Damian79]

Isnt the actual number 57k?

[Joe Molotov]

Is it up to 57k now? Momentum!

[Damian79]

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/wii-u-january-us-sales-hit-57000-report-6403982

According to cnet apparently.

[Damian79]

Did they post wii sales in the npd for January or did htey skip it?

[maxy]

[Damian79]

100k < Wii < 150k and more closer to 100k

yeah the wii U was outsold by the wii yet again.  Thanks oscar fo rthe cream sugar hint.

[Sho Nuff]

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I am absolutely adoring the butthurt replies on GAF

[maxy]

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Eh... Mario games are quality.

Reactions are pure gold.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=513778

[DCharlieJP]

Nintendo's software shits on Sony's from a great height.

.... for captive audience manchobs

also - i DO want to add one comment adding to what is said on the last page:

Pikmin - it really is fucking garbage as a game.

bu bu bu....

Pikmin got a PERFECT score from Gaming-Age (paleoGAF) back in 2001.

Oh well there is a mark of quality!

[MCD]

Holy fuck lol

[Damian79]

Pikmin - it really is fucking garbage as a game.

How so?  It isnt my kind of game but it seemed like a good game to me.

[DCharlieJP]

Okay, "garbage" is harsh - but the gameplay from the previous two just bored me to tears - two way more than one, but hey.

''Oh, Yay, Another Studio Closure.''

I'm sure the Wii U is going to save 3rd parties with it's 1000 units per third party game sales holocausts.

[EmCeeGrammar]

So does Nintendo need a hypothetical mariokart/smash/wildcard trifecta in combination with a pricedrop this holiday season to even get within earshot of the 100bn figure Iwata was leveraging his career on? Pokemon and Animal Crossing might help the 3ds, but I'm not seeing any #gamechangers on the wii u.  It'll be interesting to see how wii fit u fares.

One thing I can say is that software pricing is kinda ridiculous, its no surprise their demographic isn't going to be investing in a console with no marguee games that establish an identity for the thing when everything is 60 bucks across the board (god bless sega for pricing sonickart for 40 though, my first purchase).

Its a neat system from the time I've spent with it, methinks they need to tap in to the warchest and do the american thing of subsidizing relevant support.

[Human Snorenado]

I just think the console has more inherent problems than "lack of software support" to dig out of it's hole.  Couple that with decreasing demand for handhelds due to phone/tablet gaming and yeah, looking like Iwata falls on his sword considering his earlier statements.

[treythemovie]

So does Nintendo need a hypothetical mariokart/smash/wildcard trifecta in combination with a pricedrop this holiday season to even get within earshot of the 100bn figure Iwata was leveraging his career on? Pokemon and Animal Crossing might help the 3ds, but I'm not seeing any #gamechangers on the wii u.  It'll be interesting to see how wii fit u fares.

One thing I can say is that software pricing is kinda ridiculous, its no surprise their demographic isn't going to be investing in a console with no marguee games that establish an identity for the thing when everything is 60 bucks across the board (god bless sega for pricing sonickart for 40 though, my first purchase).

Its a neat system from the time I've spent with it, methinks they need to tap in to the warchest and do the american thing of subsidizing relevant support.

A Wii U price drop would ruin the 100bn goal since they would then start losing huge amounts of money on it.

Its an attainable goal (even Gamecube Nintendo achieved it) but it relies upon the 3DS taking off and the WiiU staying afloat without a pricedrop. If they have to save the Wii U like they did the 3DS, Iwata is in deep trouble.

Honestly, I wouldn't be horribly surprised if they sacrificed the thing and allowed it to become another gamecube. I don't think a pricedrop is the Wii U's #1 problem, currently (PS3 circa 2007 this is not).