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[Shaka Khan]

I will be fucking pissed if any platform manufacturer snatch them up. I want their creative direction to continue where it's headed, I want their games to go wherever they make sense for Atlus and their fans (be it consoles or handhelds), and I want them to work as much as possible according to their own schedule and timetable. They're not big or strong enough to maintain that if they get absorbed by either Nintendo *or* Sony. The fact that some people want it to happen, mainly due to some childish mentality or schadenfreude, makes me want to strangle kittens.

[Himu]

Pretty much.

Especially if people are like "haha wouldn't that be hilarious for crocodile tears" or whatever.

[Tasty]

I said nothing of SMT, I was speaking of Atlus' games in general which includes games like Catherine. Nintendo would never publish Catherine.

They're publishing Bayo 2 and published Ninja Gaiden 3 Weeoo in the US, lol.

[Himu]

I said nothing of SMT, I was speaking of Atlus' games in general which includes games like Catherine. Nintendo would never publish Catherine.

They're publishing Bayo 2 and published Ninja Gaiden 3 Weeoo in the US, lol.

Bayonetta 2 and Ninja Gaiden 3 are a whole different bag of chips. They're cartoony in their violence. Catherine is about a 30-somethings and the pressures of marriage and sexual promiscuity in the modern age. Publishing an action game is something Nintendo has been known for; publishing an adult targeted game with highly suggestive subject matter isn't.

[Himu]

I mean, dude even pondered the reasoning for the FE/SMT $30 promo *immediately* before talking about SMTxFE and didn't seem to connect the dots on that.

Hahaha

[Tasty]

I said nothing of SMT, I was speaking of Atlus' games in general which includes games like Catherine. Nintendo would never publish Catherine.

They're publishing Bayo 2 and published Ninja Gaiden 3 Weeoo in the US, lol.

Bayonetta 2 and Ninja Gaiden 3 are a whole different bag of chips. They're cartoony in their violence. Catherine is about a 30-somethings and the pressures of marriage and sexual promiscuity in the modern age. Publishing an action game is something Nintendo has been known for; publishing an adult targeted game with highly suggestive subject matter isn't.

Bayo isn't highly suggestive? Lol.

I wouldn't presume to say what a desperate Nintendo would or wouldn't publish.

[Himu]

Bayo is suggestive, but it's a light suggestion. Catherine is full on, and goes beyond suggestion.

[Damian79]

You know i would have said the same thing about Bayonetta and then they went to publish it.  The original sold kind of poorly didnt it?  So Catherine i slike beyond that, it sold worse didnt it?

[Shaka Khan]

I said nothing of SMT, I was speaking of Atlus' games in general which includes games like Catherine. Nintendo would never publish Catherine.

They're publishing Bayo 2 and published Ninja Gaiden 3 Weeoo in the US, lol.

Bayonetta 2 and Ninja Gaiden 3 are a whole different bag of chips. They're cartoony in their violence. Catherine is about a 30-somethings and the pressures of marriage and sexual promiscuity in the modern age. Publishing an action game is something Nintendo has been known for; publishing an adult targeted game with highly suggestive subject matter isn't.

I disagree with this. Bayo and NG are indeed uncharismatic of Nintendo's general market, so I wouldn't downplay their targets or how "mature" they are. But the announcement of both games don't signify to me a major shift for Nintendo as much as a thrown bone to satisfy a subset of their fans and detractors. So far, the initiative doesn't feel genuine or convincing enough to become a mainstay direction. It almost feels like one of those half assed 3rd party experiments conducted on Nintendo consoles, ones that eventually end up failing and get held as evidence of a nonexistent audience. Since NG bombed (as did everything else on the weeoo) and Bayo2's prospects aren't so peachy, I'm convinced Nintendo will throw their hands in the hands in the air and say "Well, we gave it a shot!" and go back to cranking marios.

I'm not even sure how serious they were about Bayo2, could be a necessary evil from the W101 agreement for all I know.

[Tasty]

I fully believe Bayo 2 is only getting made because Kamiya and Sakurai are friends.

[Himu]

You know i would have said the same thing about Bayonetta and then they went to publish it.  The original sold kind of poorly didnt it?  So Catherine i slike beyond that, it sold worse didnt it?

I'm talking about content. Bayo's content is comical at best.

[Damian79]

But it is a game that no one would expect Nintendo to publish.  The themes are very Atlus-y too.

[Himu]

But it is a game that no one would expect Nintendo to publish.  The themes are very Atlus-y too.

[Shaka Khan]

 

[MCD]

Persona 4 Theater.mp3

[Human Snorenado]

Why are you guys even bothering to engage Fandrex and Damian?  Fandrex doesn't even know what sort of non-handheld games Atlus makes- if it's not on a Nintendo system, it just doesn't exist.  And Damian has consistently proven himself to be a slightly more literate, Nintendo leaning version of Magoose.

[magus]

Why are you guys even bothering to engage Fandrex and Damian?  Fandrex doesn't even know what sort of non-handheld games Atlus makes- if it's not on a Nintendo system, it just doesn't exist.  And Damian has consistently proven himself to be a slightly more literate, Nintendo leaning version of Magoose.

[Damian79]

wut.  Its themes aren't Atlus-like at all.

Kill angels and God isnt Atlus-y?

[Human Snorenado]

Why are you guys even bothering to engage Fandrex and Damian?  Fandrex doesn't even know what sort of non-handheld games Atlus makes- if it's not on a Nintendo system, it just doesn't exist.  And Damian has consistently proven himself to be a slightly more literate, Nintendo leaning version of Magoose.

Act like a buffoon, ya gonna get treated like a buffoon.  I'm not here to give everybody a piece of candy and a gold star.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Nintendo is too cheap to pony up the money to buy Fatlus anyway unless they can scoop them up for pennies on the dollar, especially when they're losing money.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Yeah, I imagine if you were a Wii U (or Nintendo only) gamer you'd fantasize about actually getting games to come to the Wii U.

Instead we'll have to hear embarrassing overcompensation about how Pikmin 3 next month is going to be more than enough.

[Damian79]

If that's all it takes to be Atlus-y, half of the fucking Japanese games industry is Atlus-y.

Bayonetta is almost exactly like Devil May Cry in theme, except with the camp cranked way up.  THERE'S PROBABLY A REASON FOR THAT.

Well it is a common theme amongst their games.   And i dont really think there are that many games like that if you exclude Atlus.  I mean sure there is Xenosaga and xenoblade chronicles if you consider that killing God, but what else is there?  I mean sure there are a lot of games that you kill angels in but killing God is like a step further.

[Sausage]

I've been watching wii u game trailers for the past hour on youtube. The games all look really fun,  but it's like 70% platformers and the system is still too damn expensive.

[MCD]

Sausage, I love your avatar.

Very homo.

[magus]

Why are you guys even bothering to engage Fandrex and Damian?  Fandrex doesn't even know what sort of non-handheld games Atlus makes- if it's not on a Nintendo system, it just doesn't exist.  And Damian has consistently proven himself to be a slightly more literate, Nintendo leaning version of Magoose.

Act like a buffoon, ya gonna get treated like a buffoon.  I'm not here to give everybody a piece of candy and a gold star.

it's not like i would accept candy from a creepy old guy

[Joe Molotov]

wut.  Its themes aren't Atlus-like at all.

Kill angels and God isnt Atlus-y?

If that's all it takes to be Atlus-y, half of the fucking Japanese games industry is Atlus-y.

Bayonetta is almost exactly like Devil May Cry in theme, except with the camp cranked way up.  THERE'S PROBABLY A REASON FOR THAT.

God of War is very Atlus-y.

[Polari]

Thats so sad for the Dreamcast if you look at the software it had, should be selling so much better. Sega just lost all mainstream cred by then after Sega CD, 32X and Saturn.

Software was kind of fucked where Western markets were concerned though. There wasn't much Western third party support, and without EA it was always gonna be an uphill battle.

Even Sega weren't Nintendo levels of incompetence though. That's a special breed.

[Damian79]

Killing god is the story of 50% of JRPGs ever.

Really?  I can count them only on one hand aside from Atlus games.  I must have missed heaps of JRPG's 

[Damian79]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RageAgainstTheHeavens


Best list i could find.

[nudemacusers]

 

[Human Snorenado]

[Himu]

someone hand me an evoker. I mean, a gun. Put it to MY HEAD.

[Rufus]

Best list i could find.

Link it instead, it's bound to have better formatting.

[Damian79]

Done.

[Damian79]

True.  Atlus's killing God and angels is somewhat unique.  Atlus uses the Christian God in its games so does Bayo even though it is a warped form of Him.  The only other game i know that does this is arguably Breath of Fire 2.

[magus]

i think you guys are missing the original point which was "would nintendo buy atlus?" sure why not,they seems to have an habit of picking hobo developers and striking non-sense deals (see yakuza 1&2 port for a recent example)

[Joe Molotov]

Way too much discussion going on in the Wii U thread.

[Himu]

Don't worry, we're not talking about the WiiU.

thank god

[Damian79]

Nah, lots of games use a warped form of YHWH.  You are right that one way Atlus's approach is unique is that they actually don't obfuscate his identity.  SMT2 straight up calls him YHWH.  But I'd argue that's one of the more superficial ways Atlus is different.

The biggest difference is that Atlus, for how much it Pokemon-izes various religions, actually has something to say about religion and morality besides "RELIGION CAN BE CORRUPTED, DON'T TRUST THE GODS, DERP".  Generally, the three main alignments in SMT games all have good reasons backing them.  No particular side is really painted as the bad guys or the good guys.  There's a lot of nuance, and that's because at the end of the day, SMT is really about morality, religion, and humanity first and foremost.  Whereas something like Bayonetta just uses religion as interesting character design curtains for a straight-forward action game.

Bayonetta is a "mature" game, but that is entirely independent of its religious themes.  SMT games (and most of Atlus's games) are "mature" and a lot of that is owing to the themes found in them.

Good point.

[Himu]

Nah, lots of games use a warped form of YHWH.  You are right that one way Atlus's approach is unique is that they actually don't obfuscate his identity.  SMT2 straight up calls him YHWH.  But I'd argue that's one of the more superficial ways Atlus is different.

The biggest difference is that Atlus, for how much it Pokemon-izes various religions, actually has something to say about religion and morality besides "RELIGION CAN BE CORRUPTED, DON'T TRUST THE GODS, DERP".  Generally, the three main alignments in SMT games all have good reasons backing them.  No particular side is really painted as the bad guys or the good guys.  There's a lot of nuance, and that's because at the end of the day, SMT is really about morality, religion, and humanity first and foremost.  Whereas something like Bayonetta just uses religion as interesting character design curtains for a straight-forward action game.

Bayonetta is a "mature" game, but that is entirely independent of its religious themes.  SMT games (and most of Atlus's games) are "mature" and a lot of that is owing to the themes found in them.

Good point.

What do you mean, good point? I said that much on the last page. You decided to bring up Gods and compare SMT to Bayonetta.

[Damian79]

Well i guess i didnt understand what you said on the issue.  You didnt extrapolate.  I think Oscar is saying that the matureness of Atlus RPG's comes from religious themes and the way they are presented, Bayo while has a similar concept of religion its main themes comes from elsewhere.  I guess that even though the games have a similar concept of the religion the themes may not be relevent in regards to religion.

[Himu]

He said their other games as well. I mentioned Catherine. Catherine is very light on religion. It is about sexual promiscuity, cheating, ADULT PROBLEMS, alcohol trivia, the stress of marriage, men who don't learn to or have a refusal to grow up, commitment and what that means. It is a very adult game, that resonates with many adult gamers; it has content that very, very few games actively try to seek, in light of very real problems in the world (lack of births in Japan, young couples marrying later in life, adult adolescence). Catherine is a fucking anomaly in the gaming industry.

And you're bringing up religion.

[Damian79]

I never said that they were the same but it would be Nintendo's next step.  You dont find Nintendo publishing Bayo 2 odd?

[Tasty]

Sometimes I wonder if Damian is my alt and I've got some kind of fucked up Tyler Durden thing going on.

[Himu]

I never said that they were the same but it would be Nintendo's next step.  You dont find Nintendo publishing Bayo 2 odd?

Aside from the initial shock? No.

[Damian79]

Aside from the initial shock? No.

So basically Bayo 2 was a necessary evil of the marvelous(is that the name?) 101 thing?

[Shaka Khan]

Nah, lots of games use a warped form of YHWH.  You are right that one way Atlus's approach is unique is that they actually don't obfuscate his identity.  SMT2 straight up calls him YHWH.  But I'd argue that's one of the more superficial ways Atlus is different.

The biggest difference is that Atlus, for how much it Pokemon-izes various religions, actually has something to say about religion and morality besides "RELIGION CAN BE CORRUPTED, DON'T TRUST THE GODS, DERP".  Generally, the three main alignments in SMT games all have good reasons backing them.  No particular side is really painted as the bad guys or the good guys.  There's a lot of nuance, and that's because at the end of the day, SMT is really about morality, religion, and humanity first and foremost.  Whereas something like Bayonetta just uses religion as interesting character design curtains for a straight-forward action game.

Bayonetta is a "mature" game, but that is entirely independent of its religious themes.  SMT games (and most of Atlus's games) are "mature" and a lot of that is owing to the themes found in them.

I love this post so much I wanna marry it and bear its children.

[Himu]

Aside from the initial shock? No.

So basically Bayo 2 was a necessary evil of the marvelous(is that the name?) 101 thing?

how is bayonetta worse than famicom detective club?

[Damian79]

how is bayonetta worse than famicom detective club?

I dont follow i am talking about that superhero game that platinum are making for the Wii U.

[Tasty]

I just got my $25 Protroller courtesy of Best Buy and Wario64's Twitter and this thing is sex in the hand. Triggers are a little squishy but it isn't nearly as cramped as it looks in photos.

Also, small thing to be happy about, but I'm glad Nintendo ditched that shitty fucking cut-supreme plastic they had on all the early Wii accessories and just rolls with cardboard now.

Nintendo, saving the Earf one unbought Wii U accessory at a time.

[Himu]

the original premise was one arguing about content. You are shocked Nintendo would publish a game with Bayo's content; they have published worse.

I"m just confused now. I'm going to go look at naked men on the internet and go to sleep.

[Damian79]

the original premise was one arguing about content. You are shocked Nintendo would publish a game with Bayo's content; they have published worse.

I"m just confused now. I'm going to go look at naked men on the internet and go to sleep.

Oh i see.  Nintendo have changed since then.  Nintendo used to MAKE hardcore gaming content now they just make games for the masses mainly.  Before it used to be like 50/50, now it is like 10/90.

[Positive Touch]

sweet mother of god just stop. please please please just stop talking FOR FUCKS SAKE STOP.

[Great Rumbler]

[Human Snorenado]

It's almost like any time Damian enters a thread, this is the end result! 

Two options exist:

1) he's really that dumb and obtuse
2) he's an Einstein level troll

I'm just gonna defer to Occam's razor here...

[Damian79]

Part of being a good troll is not knowing you are trolling.  I'll leave you with that.

[Steve Youngblood]

Part of being a good troll is not knowing you are trolling.  I'll leave you with that.

You not knowing that you're trolling, or the people reading your posts not knowing that you're trolling?

[demi]

Part of being a good troll is not knowing you are trolling.  I'll leave you with that.

"it exists because it does"

[Damian79]

Me not knowing.  Because if you dont know you are trolling they wont either.

[Tasty]

There is no spoon.