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160k?
Three months?
Worldwide?

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PS3 has always shipped above 1 million except for one quarter of 700,000. This is over 4 times worse than PS3‘s worst quarter.

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Nintendo is fucked.  Their model of "shit hardware with gimmick sold at a premium price" is dead in the water.

The problem is that Nintendo is so far behind that I don't think they will ever really catch up without investing a lot of money.  The Wii and DS smash successes brought in lots of money in the short term but irreparably fucked them in the long term.
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Nintendo is fucked.  Their model of "shit hardware with gimmick sold at a premium price" is dead in the water.

The problem is that Nintendo is so far behind that I don't think they will ever really catch up without investing a lot of money.  The Wii and DS smash successes brought in lots of money in the short term but irreparably fucked them in the long term.

Nintendo couldn't even catch up if they spent a lot of money.

The things Sony and MS are doing took years to develop, years of vision and know how. Sure Nintendo could splurge 250 million on some company to set things up for them but... it won't change how they work from the inside.

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They had 3-4 chances to catch up and give "gamers" what they wanted. Like I said when Oscar said "but that isn't appeasing the board," it would've probably led to some sales if they actually had put in an attempt at a competent online system to get cheapasses that can't care about graphics too strongly to move to their console along with courting third parties to make that move a little more enticing. But they didn't. And that's why no one is buying the damn thing. Basically:

Nintendo is fucked.  Their model of "shit hardware with gimmick sold at a premium price" is dead in the water.

Exactly, and they didn't even attempt to move into "next-gen" or even "current gen" with online systems that actually would be worthwhile to use. They're still stuck in the same "friend code" ghetto until they actually make a unified account system and other things/match X-box Live and Playstation Network.

Joe CallofDuty isn't going to buy a system where he can't insure his friends list can carry across to a replacement system. And why should he? Let's ignore the shitty graphics and price-point. Why should anyone buy the Wii U with the current OS and feature set/set-backs it has?

And this is why the board needs to fire Iwata. He made no attempt at trying to copy Sony/Microsoft except a limp-wristed attempt to try to get some stupid people on board while throwing a new gimmick on board to try strike lighting twice... but... unfortunately for him it didn't work.

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Maybe they can just recall the whole thing and focus on handhelds.

Although they should make a 199 Nintendo phone to be relevant there too in 5 years.

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90k from Japan
60k from North America
10k from Other

Nintendo still haven't altered their forecast of shipping 9 million more units between now and the end of the year.

This thing is officially dead. It's gone past the point of no return and is no longer viable on the market no matter what they do. It's only a matter of a few months until pretty much every store except GAME/Gamestation has completely dropped this thing in Europe, ASDA was just the first drop in the flood.


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I doubt Nintendo would survive from handheld sales alone.

If they ever make a Wii U successor, they should just go the budget route.  Have a budget box that goes for $125-175 that is essentially a Roku that plays Nintendo games.  Ditch the stupid gimmicks, just make good games.  They can keep expanding on the Miiverse and someday it may be worth a shit.  I think this is Nintendo's only way to go since they don't have the infrastructure in place to ever compete with Sony and Microsoft again.
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Uuuh guys thes numbers are before Nintendo released Earthbound on VC, just wait untill post-Earthbound numbers come in.

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I doubt Nintendo would survive from handheld sales alone.

If they ever make a Wii U successor, they should just go the budget route.  Have a budget box that goes for $125-175 that is essentially a Roku that plays Nintendo games.  Ditch the stupid gimmicks, just make good games.  They can keep expanding on the Miiverse and someday it may be worth a shit.  I think this is Nintendo's only way to go since they don't have the infrastructure in place to ever compete with Sony and Microsoft again.

they should make a 169 handheld that can also be hooked up to the tv and display 1080p.

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Where's radiohead, Andrex and marc^o^ spin.

Putting Andy there is a bit disingenuous. Andy's at least admitted and accepted it's a failure. I think the Bore finally broke his Nintendo spirit and he's starting to come around to Iwata being a shitty CEO and the like.

But let's play a game: Andy, radiohead, Marc: Why did you buy a Wii U knowing what you knew at launch? Hard mode: Don't say "FOR THE NINTENDO GAMEZ STOOPID!" because that'd just be proving the point that no one but Nintendo's insane fanbase wants the system.


Uuuh guys thes numbers are before Nintendo released Earthbound on VC, just wait untill post-Earthbound numbers come in.

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I'm a proud not-owner of a Wii U. 8)

N should have been busting ass to modernize their OS, online, and game development for next gen instead of coasting on the Wii. Now they're paying for it.

Shareholders must be banging the table for 3rd party by now.

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marc^o^'s spin:

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That's right, just before the console is ready to shine.

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Light travels faster than sound, thats why WiiU might appear bright until you hear it die.

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Where's radiohead, Andrex and marc^o^ spin.

Putting Andy there is a bit disingenuous. Andy's at least admitted and accepted it's a failure. I think the Bore finally broke his Nintendo spirit and he's starting to come around to Iwata being a shitty CEO and the like.

But let's play a game: Andy, radiohead, Marc: Why did you buy a Wii U knowing what you knew at launch? Hard mode: Don't say "FOR THE NINTENDO GAMEZ STOOPID!" because that'd just be proving the point that no one but Nintendo's insane fanbase wants the system.


Uuuh guys thes numbers are before Nintendo released Earthbound on VC, just wait untill post-Earthbound numbers come in.

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:yeshrug You can still have fun with a failed system. I enjoyed my 32X at the time, love the vita and enjoy the Wii U. The Wii U is a complete disaster for Nintendo but I'm not a shareholder

That said when I bought the Wii U I thought they would push the virtual console much more aggressively. Knowing the sorry state it is in now I would have passed. The Wii U is the first nintendo console I've owned and put any real time into. I bought a used gamecube for $30 at one point but only played Mario Sunshine. I had a Wii but only my kid played it (I played a bunch of NES, SNES & 64 at friend's houses when I was younger). I was looking forward to playing the back catalog but they aren't bothering to put most of it up

Plus I have the kid defense. My kid likes nintendo, what can you do :'(
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The Official Wii U Thread of 160k Wii Us moved WORLDWIDE in 3 months #dead
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marc^o^'s spin:

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That's right, just before the console is ready to shine.

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What makes you mad, the idea someone believes Wii U is about to shine with great games coming + miiverse and the OS matching the promised vision?

That is something to be happy about, a good starting point to give people reasons to own that GamePad.
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In the GAF thread, I'm seeing "Bububu no games came out during those three months, wait until Pikmin!!"  :'(

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i'll bite for 150

maybe 179
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But for how much will you swallow?

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But let's play a game: Andy, radiohead, Marc: Why did you buy a Wii U knowing what you knew at launch? Hard mode: Don't say "FOR THE NINTENDO GAMEZ STOOPID!" because that'd just be proving the point that no one but Nintendo's insane fanbase wants the system.

It was actually for a Capcom game. The 360 ports were actually kind of a plus as well, before I decided to get a PS3.

I know some of you guys couldn't wait to pull out your icalledit.gif's but even people who believed the system would do badly probably didn't expect it to do this badly.

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:yeshrug You can still have fun with a failed system. I enjoyed my 32X at the time, love the vita and enjoy the Wii U. The Wii U is a complete disaster for Nintendo but I'm not a shareholder

That said when I bought the Wii U I thought they would push the virtual console much more aggressively. Knowing the sorry state it is in now I would have passed. The Wii U is the first nintendo console I've owned and put any real time into. I bought a used gamecube for $30 at one point but only played Mario Sunshine. I had a Wii but only my kid played it (I played a bunch of NES, SNES & 64 at friend's houses when I was younger). I was looking forward to playing the back catalog but they aren't bothering to put most of it up

Plus I have the kid defense. My kid likes nintendo, what can you do :'(

Yeah, the way they've handled VC has been fucking atrocious. They deserve poor sales because of that (note: I don't actually think VC affects sales, I'm just glad karma's lined up in this instance.)

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Not even worth it for $99:

- no 3D Mario game
- no new Zelda
- no new Metroid
- no new F-Zero
- no X.gif yet

NO NOTHING.

Choppy Batman, Call of Duty, Pikmin 2.5 and 3DS Mario game uprezzed.

No thanks. Get your fucking grip together Iwata, Reggie and co.

- MH3U
- DKC Chocolate Swirl
- X
- Bayo 2

- Deus Ex DX
- AssCreed 4
- Wind Waka Waka HD
- Arkhammy Origins

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They need to ease out of the Wii U business and start making plans to launch something like this with the quickness:

http://www.wikipad.com/





Do a hybrid Android/Proprietary OS (like Amazon does with their Kindles) to sell curated Android Apps and exclusive Nintendo games, ship it with a HDMI receiver dongle (like Chromecast/Airplay) for home/TV use, call it a day
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I definitely think a N7-size tablet with gaming controls on the sides, with a wireless HDMI dongle for the TV, would have been the best direction for the Wii U. But that would have eaten into the 3DS and that's the only thing Nintendo sort of maybe has going for them right now. There were also probably a few people inside Nintendo who wanted to make HD games (even if the rest of the company has been dragging its heels.)

If Nintendo (hardware making-Nintendo) lasts through the Wii U I kinda do hope they reconcile their two product lines. Having a single platform makes a lot of things easier.

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I surely thought they'd have one or two honeymoon years of 360/PS3 ports before the new systems crowded them out. I was entirely off the mark there.
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I definitely think a N7-size tablet with gaming controls on the sides, with a wireless HDMI dongle for the TV, would have been the best direction for the Wii U. But that would have eaten into the 3DS and that's the only thing Nintendo sort of maybe has going for them right now. There were also probably a few people inside Nintendo who wanted to make HD games (even if the rest of the company has been dragging its heels.)

If Nintendo (hardware making-Nintendo) lasts through the Wii U I kinda do hope they reconcile their two product lines. Having a single platform makes a lot of things easier.

They were kind of unfortunate with timing in the sense that mobile graphics are really only hitting the heights required now. If the 3DS was failing more definitively I think next year something like the Ouya with a Tegra 5 @ $129 and then a handheld possessing the same guts @ $199 would make sense. No more splitting development resources, and the graphics would be good enough for the kind of Nintendo games that sell well.

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I surely thought they'd have one or two honeymoon years of 360/PS3 ports before the new systems crowded them out. I was entirely off the mark there.

Nintendo made the poor assumption that 3rd parties were healthy when in reality they are in deeper shit than Nintendo. Even if they wanted to port to or make games for the Wii U I doubt they have the resources for it. Between cross-gen games and the pc they are already supporting 5 systems with some games (plus all the quriks each system has like kinect, smartglass, vita, etc). I'm sure that adds up

I figured the Wii U would do okay in Japan so even when it flopped in NA I would have some nice localized titles to play. Should have listen to Oscar :-\
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:yeshrug You can still have fun with a failed system. I enjoyed my 32X at the time, love the vita and enjoy the Wii U. The Wii U is a complete disaster for Nintendo but I'm not a shareholder

That said when I bought the Wii U I thought they would push the virtual console much more aggressively. Knowing the sorry state it is in now I would have passed. The Wii U is the first nintendo console I've owned and put any real time into. I bought a used gamecube for $30 at one point but only played Mario Sunshine. I had a Wii but only my kid played it (I played a bunch of NES, SNES & 64 at friend's houses when I was younger). I was looking forward to playing the back catalog but they aren't bothering to put most of it up

Plus I have the kid defense. My kid likes nintendo, what can you do :'(

Oh, I'm not saying you can't have fun with dead systems. After all, I own a Vita. But what I'm getting at is all signs pointed to Nintendo bombing the system with everything they released in the run up to launch. What I want to know is why did you full-steam choo-choo the hype-train is leaving the station! it?

As for your kid: If your kid had any taste, he'd be playing a Microsoft console </Bore> If your kid had any taste, he'd be playing a Sony console </Me before E3 and the PS4 info started to roll in>

If your kid had any taste, he'd be building a PC and playing games there </Bore and I combined?>

@Andy: But you could play MH on Wii already.  ??? Once you've played one, you've played them all.  ???

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If your kid had any taste, he'd be building a PC and playing games there </Bore and I combined?>

I don't think my kid has played anything besides Minecraft (pc) since I bought it 4 months ago. Poor Wii U :'(
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Doesn't this just mean Nintendo will save money on shipping costs? MS and Sony will spend a fortune shipping units this holiday season only to sell out/lose sales, whereas there are already millions of WiiUs available for sale. Nintendo could blow everyone away this holiday season.
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@Andy: But you could play MH on Wii already.  ??? Once you've played one, you've played them all.  ???



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I just hope when all is said and done, that I can get this pretty terrible system for really cheap. Just so I can play Bayo 2 and X. Like no more then $100 cheap is what I want.

Maybe some desperate gamer will sell his/her.

EAs lack of support does have some foundation in caution/austerity, they're looking at their engine investments and where to exploit those, and they're watching more and more of their revenue come through IOS etc.

That Nintendo could sit on numbers coming in - that are THIS BAD - for an entire quarter... and not do anything about it? That says to me that they're trying to be austere themselves. Maybe spent marketing dollars or price cuts now would have meant no Q1 profit, which 3DS and more favourable exchange rates have managed to give them. And a fact of this is, you can't ship more consoles to retailers who already have excess stock. 10k new shipments over three months in the whole of Europe? How is Nintendo Grossostheim in Germany not in fucking flames of panic?

For me, the big miscalculations are not so much the gamepad (which I love), the price or the drought from January until now -- but
  • Thinking they don't need the media. Nintendo Direct is not enough to get positive messaging out to everyone. It's preaching to the choir.
  • Forgetting that Wii was about differentiation. It wasn't just different to other consoles, it was different to Nintendo consoles that had come before as well. Wii U is only different in that its again a lower price-of-entry and lower graphical tier. Physically it looks like a Wii and there is a lot of software that looks too similar to Wii and 3DS titles.
  • Not responding to missteps with their warchest of billions

Part of me is wondering if they're actually also caught in some nexus of ill fortune that is related to their demographic too.

The NES faithful like myself will have started playing from around the early 80s and 90s. When PlayStation came along, Sony were ideally placed to capture an audience entering their teens and twenties by offering something different / 'cooler' and more specifically targeted to that age group. Kids and teens who opted for Gamecube and Wii in recent years are that bit older now, and perhaps have more spending power than before, spending more time with smart devices. Gamers of the NES generation are now turning 30-40, and that's quite a significant age for people beginning to settle down and start families of their own. Budgets being what they are (in this economy), people are having to find money for umpteen devices in their lives now -- handhelds, smartphones, tablets, home consoles, gadgets for the car etc. I think there are more options now (more competition) than ever before, so part of me really thinks $350 and $299 (a price escalation) was a serious mistake. The bro-gamer is sitting here thinking Nintendo should have went and done something MORE expensive, but I actually think they should have focussed even harder on being cheap, affordable and unique.

I bought this system because I knew it would have good games and experiences. For me, it's already delivered on that. I've thoroughly enjoyed NSMB, ZombiU, Lego City, and Pikmin so far - as well as lots of other games like Batman AC:AE (I've triple dipped on Arkham City on different platforms and its good), Sonic Racing Transformed, eShop titles like Mighty Switch Force, Bit Trip Runner 2, The Cave etc. Miiverse is excellent and always improving.

What it DOES lack is that exciting sizzle reel of the future... a proper glimpse at what their best teams are cooking up for it, a proper look at HD Metroid and Zelda. Some idea of what they'll do for the next Wii Sports. Nintendo don't seem to have understood that their silence and bi-monthly Nintendo Directs are counter intuitive to hype. They do not exist in a vacuum. There are still good titles coming out for PS3 and 360, and we have just seen plenty of exciting titles shown for the next gen systems too. If Nintendo weren't ready with games (and that seems to have been the case) then they should have taken a leaf from Sony's book and put together some achievable CG.

It should have some games with better use of the gamepad. Why are there no console games that are a bit more like Ace Attorney, Ouendan, Art Academy etc? One of the most dumb-founding things about this console is that there were loads of great ideas on the original Nintendo DS, and few if any of them have been iterated or improved upon on the superior 3DS and Wii U. Maybe some of those experiences are coming, but it just seems like poor management / planning to me.

In a sense, its probably good that it has only sold 3m+ WW, because if it does pick up and they start marketing it, new buyers won't have experienced this 6 month drought or the early OS problems.

I absolutely expect -
  • Significant price drop and SKU changes before November
  • Real improvements in the OS
  • Significant news of something to look forward to, to drive excitement towards Christmas

If none of those things come and they just carry on, on this present course, thinking that Mario 3D World or other games will come along and gradually lift their fortunes, then they are as good as admitting defeat.
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Price Drop would be awesome, even though I plan on buying one end of the year
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Def the best thing out of this is that I might be able to buy one for 100 euro soon with some of the good exclusives.

Doesn't this just mean Nintendo will save money on shipping costs? MS and Sony will spend a fortune shipping units this holiday season only to sell out/lose sales, whereas there are already millions of WiiUs available for sale. Nintendo could blow everyone away this holiday season.

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Price Drop would be awesome, even though I plan on buying one end of the year

Just wait for the clearance blowout, Virtual Boy-style.
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  • Real improvements in the OS

Let's talk this seriously: How would they do that with the older systems in the wild. Are they going to recall the older systems?

Because unless they overhaul the entire OS, it's not going to happen. And the OS right now (unless it's changed, correct me Andy?) eats up harddrive space for updates. You'd be getting a 8 gig or so OS rewrite that would take up the entire harddrive of the basics (if any) sold right now. I can't see that happening but if Nintendo went full panic re-writing the entire OS and online systems and getting devs on board, I could see some good happening but not any increase in sales upticks because who is going to get a Wii U over a PS4/X-box?

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Price Drop would be awesome, even though I plan on buying one end of the year

Just wait for the clearance blowout, Virtual Boy-style.

I can see this happening, 10 years down the road. Prices jacked up.
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Radiohead guy,

I also grew up with Nintendo in the 80s and 90s, but at some point in the late 90s/early 00s, they stopped appealing to me.
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at this point, the best thing Nintendo could put on the Wii U would be a smothering pillow
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at this point, the best thing Nintendo could put on the Wii U would be a smothering pillow

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So Nintendo muddles through 2013, fires Iwata and Reggie 1st quarter 2014, announce some new strategy mid 2014, kill off the WiiU 1st quarter 2015, and exit the console market completely?
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Killing the Wii U won't solve any of the underlying issues that let them make a Wii U in the first place. Nintendo needs to live with this failure until they learn their lesson, and that will take years
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They still have their venerable first party line up. They'll survive and thrive. That said, I don't expect the third party support to improve.
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Your perception is that anyone who tries to explain why the Wii U has less support (or worse ports) is siding with the company (WB) over the consumer. We heard the same argument from early PS3 owners who got shitty ports. And it's true. It'd be great if all customers got the best of everything, and it feels unfair if you're in a position where you can't get the best of everything. You're not wrong.

 My perception is that anyone who bought a Wii U expecting third party support to be good was siding with the company (Nintendo) over the consumer (themselves). Yes, in some ideal Nirvana world you could buy one piece of hardware for a cheap price and it'd have all the great points of all past hardware and the best first-party support ever and the best third-party support ever. But in the real world, there is obvious information available to everyone before purchase, and if they choose to ignore it, there's going to be a degree of caveat emptor. And then there's going to be obvious consequences. If you lock yourself into any particular hardware route, you're going to get advantages and you're going to get disadvantages. And yes you hope that people work to minimize the disadvantages, but in the real world mostly the best strategy is just to make the smart purchase decision to begin with and not get caught up in potential or hype.

 The first clue is Nintendo's history with third parties. The second clue is the Wii U's positioning as a whole in terms of power and where it fits with next gen and the selling point as off-TV/gamepad. The third clue is that almost all launch buyers of anything electronic get burned in some previously unexpected way for them. The fourth clue would have been that Nintendo didn't promote best of breed online services (no accounts, no achievements, no emphasis on leaderboards, not using online features in their own titles, no real push on DLC, no season passes, no F2P/microtransactions, no DLC from the store only in-game, no one-click purchase conversion for demos, etc). The fifth clue would have been Wii U sales dropoff after Christmas. Note that I'm not reiterating this stuff to argue if these things are good or anything like that. And I'm not saying Nintendo hasn't made strides in some regards. I'm only arguing it to say that it's pretty evident that this was going to happen.

 So now we're at the following point:
 - Most companies don't support the Wii U as much as they support other platforms, current and future. This is going to manifest itself in games not being released. And yeah, you can complain that they're skipping the Wii U or boycott the company or talk about the concerted third-party effort to bring down Nintendo. Or, like everyone happily playing all these great games, you could buy the game somewhere else. And when the new consoles launch, all bets are off. It's possible the Wii U will be left behind entirely, it's possible it won't.

 - Most companies are not going to make the effort to build ground-up online services to compensate for Nintendo's approach. This is going to manifest itself in later DLC or no DLC, fewer new features, fewer online-centric experiences. And yes, this is a vicious cycle, so it will result in fewer people buying the software, a worse ecosystem later, and less effort. You can easily complain that this is unfair and boycott the game over the missing feature. Or, like everyone happily playing all these great games, you could buy the game somewhere else.

 - Most companies are not going to make the effort to optimize their tech or make their Wii U version better than the PS360 version in terms of performance. I'm not going to wade into the power debate. Maybe the Wii U is SUPER BEEFY OMG A TANK SO POWERFUL. Maybe it's yadda yadda ducttape. But regardless of how well games could run on it, they largely are going to run no better and look no better than their PS360 counterparts. And you could complain that you're getting a worse performing version, how dare they not take advantage of the additional Wii U power, or you could choose to buy the version with the best performance.

 In all three cases, I guess you could stick to a principled argument that the situation is wrong and unfair... or you could be happy by making a better purchasing decision. This is the exact same thing I would have said to PS3 owners circa 2007. Not because I'm siding against them, because they're siding against themselves by making their software decisions based on their hardware decisions rather than the other way around. Hardware on its own does nothing. It enables software. So if all your complaints are about the breadth, depth, quality, etc of software, it means you bought the wrong hardware. And if getting the best version of third-party games is important, buying the Wii U was buying the wrong hardware. Maybe it shouldn't be the case, maybe the Gamepad is amazing and the console is superpowered, but it is the case. Now that you know that, you have the information, and the purchasing power is in your hands.

 Personally I own a Wii U. I liked Nintendoland. I thought ZombiU had some promise. I like Game and Wario, especially with a large group of people. Playing VC on my front deck on a summer evening is great. And yeah, I got Sonic Racing Transformed for it--probably not the best decision considering how poor off-screen play looks, performance, and the overall superior quality of the PC version (to say nothing of a more active online population, achievements, etc). But mostly it's on me. I bought the hardware knowing full well what was going to happen. And when I buy software, I generally do my best to choose the actual best version or to recognize that if I deliberately don't, it's on me.

 The Wii U is a sales failure. And it's a software sales failure. And its hardware design isn't congruent with other platforms. That's a crummy hand being dealt to developers and publishers. Crummier still is the fact that if they bail, it'll just be worse in the future. So some of them are trying to stick through it. Some more than others. Good for them. But if they change their mind and bail or if the products can't end up being as good or as good a value as those offered elsewhere, it doesn't surprise me in the least. Maybe Nintendo will turn the ship around. It's not an argument I want to have. Maybe all this is fair, maybe it's not. The point is it was predictable, and it's certainly predictable today, so there's a guaranteed way to not be negatively impacted by it if only you choose that option.

 It sucks for people who can only afford one console or don't want a second one. For those people, it's important to be even more skeptical when making your hardware purchase decision. If your stance is "I can only afford one console, but I have to buy it day one", that's a self-defeating stance. Also, those people always going to miss out on something the same way that a non-Wii U owner is going to miss out on Miiverse and Nintendo games. If you are a single console owner, it's important to adopt a sort of resigned contentment with what you have rather than looking at the universe of what you don't. For most gamers, I think owning multiple consoles would be a benefit--and can even save money if you spread out the purchases and buy games when they reach a budget pricepoint rather than going for new releases.

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The Wii U has one big problem, and it's that it has no games. People aren't ignoring it because it's Nintendo, they're ignoring it because there's nothing to play. The Dreamcast didn't sell because it HAD games, but the games were games no one cared about.

As long as big games like Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, etc. come out, people will jump on board. The general market doesn't care that it's been out a year, they care that there is no new Mario. NSMBU came out right after NSMB2 which I think killed interest quite a bit.

The 3DS was dead, too.

I just think it's too early to conclude anything either way. If this fall passes and it's still selling 50K units a month, yeah, it's dead. Let Nintendo to TRY something first.
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I think the price is the biggest issue right now. Short of WiiSports Electric Boogaloo, few casuals AND hardcores will pay $350 for current-gen graphics and poor online, no matter the killer app. The breaking point for that is about $100-150 lower.

For instance, I still think the 3DS would be doing piss poor right now, even with the library it has, if it was still $250.

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at this point, the best thing Nintendo could put on the Wii U would be a smothering pillow

It would still take 40 minutes for the OS to update that it suffocated to death.
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Nah the biggest issue with the WiiU is the fact that it's a confusing system with a dumb gimmick that no one wants.  There isn't any fixing that.
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finally using the wii u 360 controller, first impression is that it's pretty nice.  I got that PC adapter because ~$20 is worth not messing with bluetooth and joytokey or w/e.  Strange thing is that under xinput it maps Xbox letters to Nintendo letters exactly (A = A instead of A = B) and it's better that way since reaching the left most button is bit awkward and my thumb naturally rests on the right most button.  I do wish it had a regular 360 layout or even a dual shock layout, but regardless, it's the best wireless 'classic controller' I can think of for PC (under direct input).

and a thought while using the wii u the other day: it's inconvenient to use.  Nintendo used to be all about instant gameplay, no load times, etc.  Wii U is the opposite of both that and what the PS4, XBO, and most devices, really, are striving for.  Long updates, slow downloads, long load times in and out of games, and stuff like that.  Wii U isn't much worse than the PS3, but that's not something to be proud of.  And like the tablet doesn't hold a charge.  If you don't charge it for a week and suddenly want to play _____, the battery is dead.  Either you leave it in the cradle all the time or plan hours in advance to charge it.  Probably it's in a standby mode ready to communicate with the Wii U system, slowly draining the battery.  That all and the online woes are what make the system feel older than the graphics or w/e.

also, I learned Wind Waker HD is selling for $60, which kinda shows the contempt Nintendo must have for its fans.  So, Wonderful 101 might be the only Wii U game I'm getting this year....well released this year, because it's positioned against GTAV.  Although in 2014 there are three Wii U games I want to buy  :hyper

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The Wii U has one big problem, and it's that it has no games. People aren't ignoring it because it's Nintendo, they're ignoring it because there's nothing to play. The Dreamcast didn't sell because it HAD games, but the games were games no one cared about.

As long as big games like Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, etc. come out, people will jump on board. The general market doesn't care that it's been out a year, they care that there is no new Mario. NSMBU came out right after NSMB2 which I think killed interest quite a bit.

The 3DS was dead, too.

I just think it's too early to conclude anything either way. If this fall passes and it's still selling 50K units a month, yeah, it's dead. Let Nintendo to TRY something first.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=74026478&postcount=1477

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I think the price is the biggest issue right now. Short of WiiSports Electric Boogaloo, few casuals AND hardcores will pay $350 for current-gen graphics and poor online, no matter the killer app. The breaking point for that is about $100-150 lower.

For instance, I still think the 3DS would be doing piss poor right now, even with the library it has, if it was still $250.
Lowering the price now isn't going to make a difference. They need to release compelling software first. Once they've released Mario Kart, Wii Fit U, and Smash Brothers then a $100 price drop might make more of an impact.

And as Steve Contra mentioned above, they also need to release a game promoting their new gimmick. The tablet doesn't add much to the system as it is now.

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Nah the biggest issue with the WiiU is the fact that it's a confusing system with a dumb gimmick that no one wants.  There isn't any fixing that.

From now until the holidays is the time to see if Nintendo can turn it around. Jumping the gun can make you seem really clever or really dumb. Patience is a virtue, as they say. Let Nintendo attempt to fix their mistakes, and if it still sucks, then we can let it rest in peace.

I have a Wii U, and I really like it. I want it to do well, because its just different. Assymetric multiplayer has brought me so much fun, and people who haven't played games since the genesis and SNES were jumping right in and having a ball. I want to see the visuals pushed, but I also want to see solid gameplay and new ways to be immersed in a game.

I like the gamepad too. I like the way it has traditional controls plus a lot of bells and whistles. They don't all have to be used, but it makes things like Netflix and browsing the net so much easier than before. I used to have my laptop hooked up to my TV with an airmouse so that I could watch multimedia from the web. Now I don't have to. Its far easier to do all that with my Wii U. It also can be used in neat ways in games. Off-tv play is also fun to do. Playing Super Metroid whilst watching the TV is great.
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Lowering the price now isn't going to make a difference. They need to release compelling software first. Once they've released Mario Kart, Wii Fit U, and Smash Brothers then a $100 price drop might make more of an impact.

And as Steve Contra mentioned above, they also need to release a game promoting their new gimmick. The tablet doesn't add much to the system as it is now.

yeah, either using the tablet or the better-than-gamecube hardware.  X is the only Wii U game that has ambitions beyond a better looking gamecube game, and with the 3DS being a portable gamecube, you pit Smash Bros Wii U against Smash Bros 3DS, one on a $350 lemon and the other on a $130 or $200 healthy system that you might already own.  Admittedly that's terrible comparison since Smash Bros is all about local multiplayer but hopefully the idea came across.

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The Official Wii U Thread of 160k Wii Us moved WORLDWIDE in 3 months #dead
« Reply #8999 on: July 31, 2013, 02:15:06 PM »
They definitely need to cut that price. As it stands right now, for just $50 more you can pre-order a next generation home console with a 500 GB hard drive. That will have more games available at and during launch than their current entire library.  Wii U especially looks like a booger next to that.
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