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[cool breeze]

who cares about luigi.  mode 7 nostalgia pilotwings stage in smash bros



this is the first and most interesting part of the new smash bros so far

[AdmiralViscen]

I thought Luigi was always in Smash Bros

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A new game to relieve Wii U's summer drought: count the polygons on Luigi's nose

[Cerveza mas fina]

who cares about luigi.  mode 7 nostalgia pilotwings stage in smash bros

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this is the first and most interesting part of the new smash bros so far

How about just make fuking pilotwings Nintendo.

[Tasty]

How much did Pilotwings 3DS sell?

[AdmiralViscen]

I got it for $10 and felt like I overpaid

[Cerveza mas fina]

How much did Pilotwings 3DS sell?

That wasn't even a real pilotwings

[cool breeze]

yeah, they recycled the island/plane mode from wii sports resort and expanded on it.  fwiw, at its core it's a fun game, but definitely a ripoff as a product.

I imagine a proper pilotwings revival being like burnout paradise.

[Tasty]

I'd rather have a good Star Fox.

[cool breeze]

try sin and punishment 2 on wii

my fondness for the pilotwings series is that it's in a genre of its own.  only other game like them is sky odyssey on ps2.

[maxy]

[Phoenix Dark]

I was up this morning and didn't have to go into work early, so I wound up watching the Nintendo Direct; I also read the GAF thread. I'm sorry, I can't understand how anyone could get hyped over this shit. Most of the time was spent showing Rayman Legends and other titles we know about. A Luigi picture from Smash Bros....that's about it for the WiiU. Oh, Wind Waker.

Seriously? They can't wait for next E3, they need to give people a reason to buy this thing ASAP

[pilonv1]

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http://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/08/jb-hi-fi-perfectly-illustrates-one-of-nintendos-biggest-problems/

[Cerveza mas fina]

[Human Snorenado]

The flashing battery indicator is what tips it over the edge, tho

[Rahxephon91]

Oh so the Nintendo Direct already happened? I woke up and was looking for any news on it and didn't see anything. Lugi is in Smash? That's all they got? Nintendo sucks.

[cool breeze]

Wonderful 101 demo is coming out later today in Japan and Europe.  No America.

NoA: 

edit: Yes America.  Today or tomorrow.

[mjemirzian]

I watched the Wonderful 101 direct trailer and I'm not sure what to make of it. The trailers are confusing at first glance and don't have an obvious hook. They have to go to pains to explain what's going on screen. That's going to turn off a lot of potential customers right there. It's a very risky move to make but I get the feeling Kamiya doesn't give a crap how popular it is.

As for my opinion, I like the gameplay potential the tablet offers, and it will probably be innovative and in depth with lots of mechanics and scoring to geek out over. There won't be a game that plays quite like it, which is both good and bad. Unfortunately the audience that will dig (or even understand) W101 is very limited.

tl;dr - bomba full speed ahead

[Huff]

So mj you buying it?

[mjemirzian]

Probably not. I still don't own a Wii U, and won't until I can get one for cheap with a bunch of games.

Bayo 2 still looks allright.

[cool breeze]

Wonderful 101 demo is great.  Confusing when you start but soon you grasp the conventional aspects of it and you 'get it.'  Short of it is that it's an action game where your team size represents your power.

I think it would be better without or a reworked line drawing mechanic.  As it is, your two options are: draw on the touch screen (faster, more annoying) or right analog stick (slower, less precise; think okami).  At first you think it's just for switching weapons and it's not too bad.  Later it teaches you to draw the symbols and use X as a secondary attack, so you're doing it mid-attack to say slash at one enemy and use a 360 shot to drive other enemies back.  Length of the line is important too as it changes the size/power of the weapon; small L shape gets you a hand gun, large L gets you to the SNES super scope that shoots rockets.  Actually, it could've played quite well with the Wii remote pointer setup since you'd never take your hands off the controls.  I'm probably making it sound worse than it.  It's something that could be better more than something that hurts the game.  also QTEs.  why, Kamiya.  at least they're not as bad or random as bayonetta's.

And the game has the option to put the secondary screen in a tiny window in the bottom right.  Seems like you can play it entirely with a wii u pro controller (360 pad), or entirely on the gamepad (tablet).  I wonder if off-tv play ultimate won out over secondary screen gaming as the wii u's main attraction.

[Human Snorenado]

I'll get a Wii U when there's a new Zeruda, maybe. I dunno.  System is so shitty.

[Trent Dole]

$200 for deluxe edition max. I don't even consider Zelda part of the equation for or against getting a Wii U. I'm sure it'll happen and ultimately be disappointing but I'll be a foolish nostalgiafag and give it a try anyway.

[cool breeze]

apparently there is a zelda wind waker bundle coming this year, so there's that.  and at least wait until nintendo is decent enough to include the larger battery.

[D3RANG3D]

>paying more $100.00 for a weeeoooooo

[fistfulofmetal]

One way or another I'll have a Wii U for Bayo 2.

[DCharlieJP]

the Nintendo Direct was utterly awful - i keep think that they've -surely- got some ace up their sleeve - but alas , all they keep pulling out are more turds

Also - from that article

"Even if the Wii U doesn't pick up, Nintendo could weather a failure. It could weather several."

lol - no. They can survive multiple single disasters -maybe- if spread over time - but they cannot (and most companies would not ) survive back to back balfailure as it would taint the pot.
As great as the DS and Wii were - the 3DS (to a small extent outside Jpn) and the WiiU - everywhere- are possibly setting the stage.

The big problem they have is that they are, with the wiiU, back to appealing entirely to Nintendo fans - and that base is dwindling. All Nintendo had to do was either have the big hitters ready to go in the first year -or- have a machine powerful enough or cheap enough to install them as the base next-gen machine. Instead they have extended an already dying current gen and , to add insult, brought utterly nothing to the table.

I like Iwata, don't get me wrong, but everything about the WiiU's message in the Japanese literature is exactly what they railed against from the previous gen : People can't tell the difference between Last gen and Current gen they screamed! It's the same old games! But here... now we have WiiU - here's a screen shot of Mario running through a bad 480i connection with artifacts everywhere and here's the WiiU game that looks almost exactly the same but now in hires! And yes - tired of the same old games! Here's another Mario, Pikmin -again- , Smash, Mario Kart, etc. Oh - we are giving you a novel new thing called touch control pads! bet you never had anything like this huh? etc etc.

Iwata was on point during the Wii - but the WiiU is a complete misread of the market. Not that Sony and MS are going to do much better but at least they are bringing a power angle to console poors rather than X360.1 and Hires Nintendo Games

Alas - Iwata will be gone before the end of the financial year - and , for maximum comedy, i would like Kutaragi to head them up so the next Nintendo machine is a beast and suddenly Nintendo fans have to do the full about-face on how important power is to them. c****

[Damian79]

Not that Sony and MS are going to do much better but at least they are bringing a power angle to console poors rather than X360.

Doubt that.  MS and Sony have seen from the Wii that graphics isnt everything.  It is a big difference from when the original Xbox was released with them actually being ahead of pc's or atleast thats what Nvidia says.

This is the 4 jaguar core kabini from amd, it is quite weak compared to pcs today.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6974/amd-kabini-review/6

1.84 tflops is not much by todays standards, the amd radeon 7970(desktop) is 3.8 tflops and the geforce gtx 780 is 4 tflops.
http://www.redgamingtech.com/ps4-xbox-720-gpu-vs-amd-7970m-and-7970/

However devs will get more out of the graphic cards because of the nature of consoles with them releasing one every 6 years these days.




Back to Nintendo.  I really dont have any real solutions for Nintendo.  They most definetely would have benefit from a 250 dollar console instead of a 350 dollar console, without the next gen DC controller they got now.  They were stupid to think that would actually bring back all the gamers of the Wii, definitely not going to happen.  The reason why it fails to do so is because the controls are more complicated than the wii controller.  They should have made a Wii controller redux with less buttons as standard with optional pro controller support.  They look at the Wii U controller and think "fuck that".

[pilonv1]

Alas - Iwata will be gone before the end of the financial year - and , for maximum comedy, i would like Kutaragi to head them up so the next Nintendo machine is a beast and suddenly Nintendo fans have to do the full about-face on how important power is to them. c****

this would be hilariously awesome

[DCharlieJP]

Doubt that.  MS and Sony have seen from the Wii that graphics isnt everything.  It is a big difference from when the original Xbox was released with them actually being ahead of pc's or atleast thats what Nvidia says.

the point being that there's at least a noticable hardware jump between PS3 -> PS4 and X360 -> X1. From PS3/x360 -> WiiU there's very little if anything to distinguish it. Whilst people will look and say "ah diminishing returns" there's still going to be an appreciable difference between true next gen and X360/PS3/WiiU. Enthusiast and even mid/high PCs will trump PS4/X1 raw spec wise -easily- from the outset, but there'll still be gains from architecture, baseline targets, games targeted OS etc that the consoles will get in that : PS4/X1 games will look obviously better than what we've had this gen where as WiiU games will not.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Nintendo should just release a new Wii U model that takes out the gamepad, includes a pro controller, 128 GB of internal storage, and is sold for no more than $249.  Sell the gamepad separately for $129.

Also they should fire Iwata.

[DCharlieJP]

well, i suspect they'll just slash the cost of the WiiU -full stop- at the end of the year - $199 or bust - and time it with Mario Kart.

I still refuse to believe they are losing money on this hardware - i think that's all "value add" noise.

[maxy]

Doubt that.  MS and Sony have seen from the Wii that graphics isnt everything.  It is a big difference from when the original Xbox was released with them actually being ahead of pc's or atleast thats what Nvidia says.

I'm not even remotely pleased with XB1/PS4 specs but they are 8x-10x more powerful than PS360.That is standard generational leap.

WiiU on the other hand looks like 360 with more memory.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

More Wii U hating:

- The factory that makes Wii U's eDRAM is going to shut down in 2-3 years.  If the Wii U even survives 3 years, it will be a miracle. 

- Miyamoto says he has no idea what to do with F-Zero:

"I certainly understand that people want a new F-Zero game," Miyamoto said. "I think where I struggle is that I don’t really have a good idea for what’s new that we could bring to F-Zero that would really turn it into a great game again. Certainly I can see how people looking at Mario Kart 8 could see, through the anti-gravity, a connection to F-Zero. But I don’t know, at this point, what direction we could go in with a new F-Zero."

This is something that is old but I didn't see get posted here.  This is funny because NSMB is extremely stale.  Nintendo barely has the motivation to make anything that isn't Mario these days.

- Nintendo Australia is in deep shit: http://delimiter.com.au/2013/08/05/nintendo-australia-finances-fall-off-a-cliff/

[DCharlieJP]

re: F-Zero - then take the easy way out - up port the awesome GC game to 3DS and add some tracks and punt it out the door.

[Human Snorenado]

What a load of shit, that fucker is so senile at this point

"We here at Nintendo will only introduce new chapters in our storied franchises when we have new gameplay innovations to add to them!" 

Senile. 100% fucking senile.

[DCharlieJP]

We here at Nintendo will only introduce new chapters in our storied franchises when we have new gameplay innovations to add to them!" 

so that's why there's absolutely no games then!

[Damian79]

Doubt that.  MS and Sony have seen from the Wii that graphics isnt everything.  It is a big difference from when the original Xbox was released with them actually being ahead of pc's or atleast thats what Nvidia says.

I'm not even remotely pleased with XB1/PS4 specs but they are 8x-10x more powerful than PS360.That is standard generational leap.

WiiU on the other hand looks like 360 with more memory.

Wii U IS like a 360 with more memory.  It is a bitch to dev for too.  Think what a crappy 3x GC cpu is, just for the sake for backwards compatibility.

And the ps360 is not 8/10 times weaker than the xb1/ps4.  It is more like 4-6 times.  Still a good leap though.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

360  240 GFLOPS GPU
PS3  400 GFLOPS GPU(according to Sony)

PS4   1.84 TFLOP GPU
XB1   1.3 TFLOP GPU


http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=136756
http://ps4daily.com/2013/02/playstation-4-gpu-is-4-5x-more-powerful-than-ps3-gpu/

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[cool breeze]

Nintendo should just release a new Wii U model that takes out the gamepad, includes a pro controller, 128 GB of internal storage, and is sold for no more than $249.  Sell the gamepad separately for $129.

Also they should fire Iwata.

In the past when this was suggested, I wasn't convinced it could work.  Post-E3 it doesn't seem like nintendo cares about the potential for second screen gameplay going forward.  Almost every Nintendo game can be played with a classic controller or Wii remote and the gamepad is a minor addition (e.g., giant horn for Mario Kart).  I'm not saying nintendo should, but it could if it wanted to.  Really it's only screwing third parties and it's not like they can abandon the wii u again.

It's strange that Nintendo isn't even trying to make a case for it.  Although to be fair, when you think back to the best Wii games, most didn't need motion controls.  But I guess those motion control games are what sold.

[DCharlieJP]

but what about off TV gaming? That's a killer feature... or is it any more?

can someone contact the Iwatamothership for me so i know how to feel about this stuff please?

[D3RANG3D]

But guise Nintendo makes the best and most mature games in the industry, and not the try hard to edgy games that 3rd party devs try to.

[treythemovie]

The WiiU's obviously doomed in Europe and probably the same in Japan. In America it might be salvageable if they can get the kid market, and by salvageable I mean Gamecube level of sales. Nintendo's still viewed as the "thing you get your kids to shut them up" and I always see kids flocking around the thing in stores. But the problem is, $350 is WAY too expensive to tap into that market. I'm not sure what is keeping the WiiU so expensive to make, though I imagine its mostly an accounting thing since they probably haven't even mass produced much from the initial allotment. Either way, they need to lower the price to hit that audience and I think NoA knows this on some level, only NoJ calls the shots so...

[Trent Dole]

Even with a lower price, the fuck are you going to play on it? Lego GTA and Pikmin aren't system sellers. Go with a cut around the launch of a title that's actually successful like Mario is Racing a Kart and sales will pick up a tick.

[Himu]

W101 is confusing. It's like, I don't even know what the fuck genre it is.

[Shaka Khan]

It's a Kamiya's game. Meaning it's an action game at it's core but disguising itself as something different.

[Rahxephon91]

The WiiU's obviously doomed in Europe and probably the same in Japan. In America it might be salvageable if they can get the kid market, and by salvageable I mean Gamecube level of sales. Nintendo's still viewed as the "thing you get your kids to shut them up" and I always see kids flocking around the thing in stores. But the problem is, $350 is WAY too expensive to tap into that market. I'm not sure what is keeping the WiiU so expensive to make, though I imagine its mostly an accounting thing since they probably haven't even mass produced much from the initial allotment. Either way, they need to lower the price to hit that audience and I think NoA knows this on some level, only NoJ calls the shots so...

Are they that to parents anymore? I'm under the impression that the 3DS has done meh here and well that's the first thing I think parents would buy a kid.

My point is that in this day and age with phones, tablets, and browser games there's cheaper things to use to shut up your kid. Things that don't require you to spend $40 on a single game. I don't think kids need Nintendo for that and by the time they get older and want to actually play beyond just a time waster they probably want Xbox.

I bought my niece a DS and the thing received no use compared to my sister's phone and ipad from. My two nieces were content with playing that ipad game were the dude runs while I guess an aztec temple falls apart or something. Hell, my younger nice is content with playing Monster High browser games. The Pokemon game I bought them didn't keep their attention and it cost me more then $20. I think they are basically just playing the demo of that running game or the demo of angry birds.

And even besides that, right now I don't see much must have kids games on the Wii U. I mean the Wii shipped with the best "shut the hell up and play this kids" game. What does the Wii U have that tops Wii Sports?

[Sausage]

The WiiU's obviously doomed in Europe and probably the same in Japan. In America it might be salvageable if they can get the kid market, and by salvageable I mean Gamecube level of sales. Nintendo's still viewed as the "thing you get your kids to shut them up" and I always see kids flocking around the thing in stores. But the problem is, $350 is WAY too expensive to tap into that market. I'm not sure what is keeping the WiiU so expensive to make, though I imagine its mostly an accounting thing since they probably haven't even mass produced much from the initial allotment. Either way, they need to lower the price to hit that audience and I think NoA knows this on some level, only NoJ calls the shots so...

Are they that to parents anymore? I'm under the impression that the 3DS has done meh here and well that's the first thing I think parents would buy a kid.

My point is that in this day and age with phones, tablets, and browser games there's cheaper things to use to shut up your kid. Things that don't require you to spend $40 on a single game. I don't think kids need Nintendo for that and by the time they get older and want to actually play beyond just a time waster they probably want Xbox.

I bought my niece a DS and the thing revived no use compared to my sisters phone and ipad from her. My two nieces were content with playing that ipad game were the dude runs while I guess an aztec temple falls apart or something. Hell, my younger nice is content with playing Monster High browser games. The Pokemon game I bought them didn't keep their attention and it cost me more then $20. I think there are basically just playing the demo of that running game or the demo of angry birds.

And even besides that, right now I don't see much must have kids games on the Wii U. I mean the Wii shipped with the best "shut the hell up and play this kids" game. What does the Wii U have that tops Wii Sports?

That's temple run. It's fun, but it gets boring after like an hour.

[Momo]

[Cerveza mas fina]

The WiiU's obviously doomed in Europe and probably the same in Japan. In America it might be salvageable if they can get the kid market, and by salvageable I mean Gamecube level of sales. Nintendo's still viewed as the "thing you get your kids to shut them up" and I always see kids flocking around the thing in stores. But the problem is, $350 is WAY too expensive to tap into that market. I'm not sure what is keeping the WiiU so expensive to make, though I imagine its mostly an accounting thing since they probably haven't even mass produced much from the initial allotment. Either way, they need to lower the price to hit that audience and I think NoA knows this on some level, only NoJ calls the shots so...

Are they that to parents anymore? I'm under the impression that the 3DS has done meh here and well that's the first thing I think parents would buy a kid.

My point is that in this day and age with phones, tablets, and browser games there's cheaper things to use to shut up your kid. Things that don't require you to spend $40 on a single game. I don't think kids need Nintendo for that and by the time they get older and want to actually play beyond just a time waster they probably want Xbox.

I bought my niece a DS and the thing revived no use compared to my sisters phone and ipad from her. My two nieces were content with playing that ipad game were the dude runs while I guess an aztec temple falls apart or something. Hell, my younger nice is content with playing Monster High browser games. The Pokemon game I bought them didn't keep their attention and it cost me more then $20. I think there are basically just playing the demo of that running game or the demo of angry birds.

And even besides that, right now I don't see much must have kids games on the Wii U. I mean the Wii shipped with the best "shut the hell up and play this kids" game. What does the Wii U have that tops Wii Sports?

That's temple run. It's fun, but it gets boring after like an hour.

Sure, to some. Not to kids.

[Shaka Khan]

Himu, watch this:

[Tasty]

Does W101 have an eShop demo? If not, why.

[Shaka Khan]

Ummm, it does. That's what some people here and on GAF are discussing.

[Oblivion]

I would be totally fine with Nintendo ditching the game pad. It's a needless waste of power.

[Tasty]

Ummm, it does. That's what some people here and on GAF are discussing.

Oh. That makes sense.

I kinda avoid the main GAF forums.

[Shaka Khan]

The demo is really good and satisfying. It definitely sold me on the game, so you should check it out.

[DCharlieJP]

yeah - game is a day one purchase now - demo is very solid indeed.

[Phoenix Dark]

The WiiU's obviously doomed in Europe and probably the same in Japan. In America it might be salvageable if they can get the kid market, and by salvageable I mean Gamecube level of sales. Nintendo's still viewed as the "thing you get your kids to shut them up" and I always see kids flocking around the thing in stores. But the problem is, $350 is WAY too expensive to tap into that market. I'm not sure what is keeping the WiiU so expensive to make, though I imagine its mostly an accounting thing since they probably haven't even mass produced much from the initial allotment. Either way, they need to lower the price to hit that audience and I think NoA knows this on some level, only NoJ calls the shots so...

Here's the thing though: the "thing you get your kids to shut them up" is now an iPhone, iPad, etc with 99 cent games. To make matters worse, many kids also enjoy playing CoD, which means they'll gravitate towards the Xbox or PS depending on how many of their friends have a particular system. These kids are no longer Mario obsessed, they have moved on.

[magus]

everytime i go to the beach,i always see a kid or two with a DS and some mario or pokemon game in it so i'm not really sure that's true

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Nintendo no doubt still holds some sway with kids but it's not like what it was.

Which is a good thing because if Nintendo is going to survive, they're going to have to do more than Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon to survive.

[Damian79]

“If the price is actually an issue [with Wii U], then there is some contradiction between the current sales balance between the Basic and Premium versions of the Wii U. The basic version should have sold a lot, but the fact of the matter is that people are buying more of the premium version. So the issue is not there.”

“I understand that the real issue is the lack of software, and the only solution is to provide the mass-market with a number of quality software titles.”

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/423771/iwata-wii-u-basic-model-sales-show-price-isnt-the-issue/

 

I give up Iwata needs to be fired.

[Great Rumbler]

Hahaha, people aren't buying the basic version because it's literally WORTHLESS [get it?].