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[Tasty]

Like I said, it was probably Bamco's idea.

Smash 4 is looking like an "Ultimate" or "Super" release of Brawl, to use Capcom terminology. I have a feeling people are going to be pretty disappointed at release but two years from now people (non-Melee nostalgists) will probably agree it's the most balanced, content-full, and fun all-around.

[AdmiralViscen]

Lol it was a "problem" with Brawl but now it's almost comical how much hold Pokemon has on Smash.

Gen 1: Pikachu, Charizard, Jigglypuff (presumably)
Gen 2: :'(
Gen 3: Who gives a shit
Gen 4: Lucario
Gen 5: :'( (assloads of Pokeballs though, looks like)
Gen 6: Greninja

Thing is every new generation introduces more than a couple Pokemon that'd be awesome for Smash, which is about 15000% more characters than Nintendo otherwise introduces per a console generation.

Smash 5 will probably have half the roster be Pokemon and it'll be glorious.

Wavebird or gtfo

No rumble? For Smash Bros.? Gtfo.

Smash 5 will have Master Chief and Nathan Drake

[Cerveza mas fina]

Lol it was a "problem" with Brawl but now it's almost comical how much hold Pokemon has on Smash.

Gen 1: Pikachu, Charizard, Jigglypuff (presumably)
Gen 2: :'(
Gen 3: Who gives a shit
Gen 4: Lucario
Gen 5: :'( (assloads of Pokeballs though, looks like)
Gen 6: Greninja

Thing is every new generation introduces more than a couple Pokemon that'd be awesome for Smash, which is about 15000% more characters than Nintendo otherwise introduces per a console generation.

Smash 5 will probably have half the roster be Pokemon and it'll be glorious.

Wavebird or gtfo

No rumble? For Smash Bros.? Gtfo.

Smash 5 will have Master Chief and Nathan Drake

On the same console iphone.

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PS5

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[radioheadrule83]

The Direct was a bit weird... sort of semi-self-aware weird though, thanks to Sakurai. Like the way he pretended Zero Suit Samus wasn't in it at all for a minute, teased Ridley, made a visual joke about Waluigi only being an Assist Trophy... I don't think the For Fun vs For Glory stuff went over like they would have intended though. Its like they caused a deliberate WTF by saying For Glory mode is only Final Destination, but then went LOL don't worry, there are lots of other themed final destination style stages... just a strange announcement style. Sets you off on a negative train of thought then doesn't really bring you fully back around. It would have been better to just show all the flat stages.

I fucking suck at these games usually. I think the 3DS game might be the last 3DS game I buy (unless Majora or something), so I'll give that a go and see if I get any good... that'll probably inform my decision on the Wii U version, which looks a metric-shit-ton better, IMO. They seem to have improved some characters' edge recovery moves, I liked the way little Mac is balanced to be a better ground fighter, and I also liked the Dr Wily's castle stage with the yellow devil thing. The game needs more ideas like that... the Ridley boss distraction on the Metroid stage sounds like it could be similarly cool

[magus]

if they wanted to cather to the more competitive crowd they should have talked more about tiers, the slow character like bowser usualy sucks a lot while the faster one (like metaknight) are on a tier of their own

if they showed how they intend to fix this (or heck, even mention something like post releases patches like capcom does all the time) it would have been much better, what they did instead was kinda winking their eye's at the tournament scene in the most ridiculous way possible

[The Sceneman]

"Tournament scene"

[Tasty]

Considering Weeeoo, they need all the help they can get. It'll be a long time, if ever, for Smash 4 to hit 5 mil (and they probably know it, hence two versions.)

[Steve Youngblood]

My only real complaint about the Direct is that I feel like both For Fun and For Glory mode seem needlessly limited. I understand the emphasis on Final Destination, but I don't feel like the competitive mode has to be limited to that one stage. Moving on to For Fun, stuff like "Smash Only" (i.e. no stock lives) really sticks out. Just seems lame all around.

But after Brawl, I'd probably just be happy with an online mode that works at all. God that netcode was such a bag of shit.

[bork]

That Smash Direct was hype.  And it's coming out on 3DS first, so I won't be tempted to buy a Wii U for it. 

[Tasty]

The people pretending they're excited for the 3DS version is just like, really?

Fighters on handhelds.

This is like getting excited for City Folk when New Leaf is three months away. Certain series are best on console or on handheld. I mean, it's easy justifying not buying a Wii U as it is, so going "meh console Smash doesn't excite me much but OH MAN HANDHELD SMASH GIMME SUMMA DAT" is worthy.

(MH is the rare franchise that's excellent and deserves play on both.)

[cool breeze]

all I want out of smash bros on wii u is melee+good online (netcode and features).  halo 2 came out 10 years ago.  someone send a copy to sakurai.

also a kumite mode would be cool now that they're introducing custom move sets.

[Tasty]

I own a 3DS, not a Wii U. It's not that hard to see why I'd get the handheld version instead.

Sure but all this rationalizing (from some people) of "oh well it has this mode like shitty Subspace Emissary, 3DS version = best CONFIRMED" is a little ridiculous. If you're getting the 3DS version cause you only have a 3DS, cool. But let's not try to pretend it's comparable to the main Smash experience.

[Joe Molotov]

the main Smash experience.

 

[Tasty]

It seems like that's what they're trying to do, though. And that exclusive mode sounds nothing like Subspace Emissary(man that name is still terrible). It just sounds like a new mode to add variety to multiplayer.

5 minutes in a mode that has you wandering around with the exact same physics that aren't suitable for platforming and beating on endless braindead generic/"themed" enemies? Sounds like SSE to me.

[Tasty]

My entire point is the dickwaving over the 3DS supposedly having a "leg up" on the Wii U version by having an extra mode is that it's undone by the mode being shitty. Both versions having shitty SSE modes would only further my point.

[Human Snorenado]

Smash has always been a litmus test for me. You like it, you're 'tarded.

[magus]

My entire point is the dickwaving over the 3DS supposedly having a "leg up" on the Wii U version by having an extra mode is that it's undone by the mode being shitty. Both versions having shitty SSE modes would only further my point.

i said that as a joke but that the version that's getting released first is the one that's on the succesfull console is a fact

though i'm sure a nintendo fan would just says that the true version need more polish

to think that both game still don't have a proper name, just SMASH BROS FOR WII U

Smash has always been a litmus test for me. You like it, you're 'tarded.

it's a fun,good chaotic game, like power stone, people just hate on it because it's a flagship for spergfans...

... which is a good reason as any if you ask me

[Tasty]

Yeah, no subtitle is pretty damn lame.

[Joe Molotov]

I'll buy both versions, unlock all the shit, then probably never play them again because all my Smash Bros moved away/got married/etc. Maybe the online will be playable.

[Tasty]

Online for MH doesn't have the same requirements as online for a fighter, and you know it.

Also, that barebones Street Fighter 4 port was hot for all of 12 minutes before everyone realized it was only hyped as a launch window game and remembered handheld fighters are lame as hell.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

This strikes me as one of those things like RPGs where you have extremely limited and/or narrow experience with the topic.

or women

[benjipwns]

the great ports of Street Fighter games on Nintendo handhelds. 

If only GBA Street Fighter Alpha 3 had had World Tour mode. 

[bork]

The people pretending they're excited for the 3DS version is just like, really?

Fighters on handhelds.

This is like getting excited for City Folk when New Leaf is three months away. Certain series are best on console or on handheld. I mean, it's easy justifying not buying a Wii U as it is, so going "meh console Smash doesn't excite me much but OH MAN HANDHELD SMASH GIMME SUMMA DAT" is worthy.

(MH is the rare franchise that's excellent and deserves play on both.)

That's one of the more ignorant comments I've seen posted here in a while.  There's been plenty of great portable fighting games going all the way back to the Gameboy days -Takara absolutely nailed the game play with World Heroes 2 Jet back then- never mind the Neo-Geo Pocket Color and its amazing fighters like SNK Vs. Capcom Match Of The Millennium.  Port quality only continued to improve with later hardware and nowadays you get portable versions of games that play exactly the same as the console versions and allow you to do cross-play. 

Also, that barebones Street Fighter 4 port was hot for all of 12 minutes before everyone realized it was only hyped as a launch window game and remembered handheld fighters are lame as hell.

Did you even play that game?  Who the fuck would call SSF4 3D Edition "barebones?"     That port had all of the content from SSF4, all of its DLC (at the time) included, online play, and added modes/features that took advantage of what the 3DS hardware offered...from 3D, to one-cart multiplayer, to street pass battles.   The Lite Mode control scheme was completely broken, but Capcom was smart enough to allow that to be filtered out when playing online.  I still load it up every now and then, and people are still playing it despite how dated it is now.  It was a great port.  Don't talk about shit you clearly don't know anything about.

the great ports of Street Fighter games on Nintendo handhelds. 

If only GBA Street Fighter Alpha 3 had had World Tour mode. 

man that port was wizard magic.  WIZARDRY I SAY.

I couldn't believe how good a job Crawfish Interactive did (Crawfish!) after their shitty SFA1 GBC port.  One of the devs said that they could have made it pretty much perfect, had Capcom allowed them to use a bigger cart size.

[benjipwns]

I played way too much Samurai Showdown and World Heroes 2 Jet on my GameBoy one summer. 

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And NBA Jam TE

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[Purple Filth]

The people pretending they're excited for the 3DS version is just like, really?

Fighters on handhelds.

This is like getting excited for City Folk when New Leaf is three months away. Certain series are best on console or on handheld. I mean, it's easy justifying not buying a Wii U as it is, so going "meh console Smash doesn't excite me much but OH MAN HANDHELD SMASH GIMME SUMMA DAT" is worthy.

(MH is the rare franchise that's excellent and deserves play on both.)

That's one of the more ignorant comments I've seen posted here in a while.  There's been plenty of great portable fighting games going all the way back to the Gameboy days -Takara absolutely nailed the game play with World Heroes 2 Jet back then- never mind the Neo-Geo Pocket Color and its amazing fighters like SNK Vs. Capcom Match Of The Millennium.  Port quality only continued to improve with later hardware and nowadays you get portable versions of games that play exactly the same as the console versions and allow you to do cross-play. 

Also, that barebones Street Fighter 4 port was hot for all of 12 minutes before everyone realized it was only hyped as a launch window game and remembered handheld fighters are lame as hell.

Did you even play that game?  Who the fuck would call SSF4 3D Edition "barebones?"     That port had all of the content from SSF4, all of its DLC (at the time) included, online play, and added modes/features that took advantage of what the 3DS hardware offered...from 3D, to one-cart multiplayer, to street pass battles.   The Lite Mode control scheme was completely broken, but Capcom was smart enough to allow that to be filtered out when playing online.  I still load it up every now and then people are still playing it.  It was a great port.  Don't talk about shit you clearly don't know anything about.

the great ports of Street Fighter games on Nintendo handhelds. 

If only GBA Street Fighter Alpha 3 had had World Tour mode. 

man that port was wizard magic.  WIZARDRY I SAY.

I couldn't believe how good a job Crawfish Interactive did (Crawfish!) after their shitty SFA1 GBC port.  One of the devs said that they could have made it pretty much perfect, had Capcom allowed them to use a bigger cart size.

Andrex spewing shit out of his ass? shocking 


Fighting games on handhelds are alright (loved playing Guilty Gear Accent Core on my PSP and i have Blazblue also).

I hear Street Fighter X Tekken for Vita wasn't bad either, just the series itself lost all of the steam it built up earlier

[bork]

I played too much Samurai Showdown and World Heroes 2 Jet on my GameBoy one summer. 

Shodown played like total shit on there, but I loved it anyway.  Those extra characters!  Takara got pretty good at making GB fighters after Jet, with more detailed sprites and better animation.  The best version of Toshinden was the Gameboy version...they turned it into a pretty decent 2D fighter.  Real Bout Fatal Fury Special even had the '3D' line-sway system intact.     I played those games so much, right up until the Neo Pocket came out...imported the original B/W system and KOF R-1 blew me away.

[benjipwns]

Redrawing the sprites in SS to be like little kids or whatever was smart. I like to think they left in some of the slowdown on all the special moves because it made things seem more epic.

Secret best part was discovering that on all but like the highest difficulty you could pretty much just mash A and B together with timing between the frames due to the slowdown and win easily as Earthquake because his attack would hit from all the way across the screen. 

Certainly played more of that than the SNES version.

Mortal Kombat 2 on the GB was surprisingly good too after whatever that was they put out under the name of the first game. (Which may still be the worst game I've ever beaten.) I mean, for an early Mortal Kombat game.

[bork]

Andrex spewing shit out of his ass? shocking 

 

Fighting games on handhelds are alright (loved playing Guilty Gear Accent Core on my PSP and i have Blazblue also).

Ah, yeah- the Arc fighters all played great on portables (still have GGX Advance Edition for GBA...didn't look the best, but it had everything intact!) and BlazBlue on Vita is pretty much perfect.  IIRC the upcoming Chrono Phantasma port is gonna have cross-play with PS3.

[quute]I hear Street Fighter X Tekken wasn't bad either[/quote]

It's my favorite version of the game- all the content is there (the "DLC" characters were even included for free...the only non rip-off version released!), the game play is great, there's an exclusive endless battle ("burst kumite") mode, and it has cross-play with the PS3 version.  You can even use the Vita version as a controller for the PS3 version (Marvel has this feature, too) and they added some wacky AR crap; similar to SSF4 on 3DS, Capcom crammed in extra stuff taking advantage of all the Vita's features.

[Purple Filth]

Whoops i forgot Street Fighter Alpha 3 Max as well.

Andrex spewing shit out of his ass? shocking 

 

Fighting games on handhelds are alright (loved playing Guilty Gear Accent Core on my PSP and i have Blazblue also).

Ah, yeah- the Arc fighters all played great on portables (still have GGX Advance Edition for GBA...didn't look the best, but it had everything intact!) and BlazBlue on Vita is pretty much perfect.  IIRC the upcoming Chrono Phantasma port is gonna have cross-play with PS3.

I actually own the Vita version but never got to play it due to space issues at the time and now with Chrono Phantasma coming it might be for nothing. 

I hear Street Fighter X Tekken wasn't bad either

It's my favorite version of the game- all the content is there (the "DLC" characters were even included for free...the only non rip-off version released!), the game play is great, there's an exclusive endless battle ("burst kumite") mode, and it has cross-play with the PS3 version.  You can even use the Vita version as a controller for the PS3 version (Marvel has this feature, too) and they added some wacky AR crap; similar to SSF4 on 3DS, Capcom crammed in extra stuff taking advantage of all the Vita's features.

I got it from PS+ so i might try it out, especially since i now have enough space in the fridge 

[Tasty]

Yep, I'll take my lumps on this one. Never cared for fighters, really.

From an outsider perspective, the hype is always with the console versions though. Handheld fighting games are held in high esteem if they manage to somehow not fuck something up in the transition. Never seen a AAA handheld-only fighter.

People excited for Smash 3DS is just odd for me. Smash wouldn't be the franchise it is today if it had started on a handheld.

[Trent Dole]

Well, obviously, yeah. Tech wasn't there back then.

[Tasty]

Well, obviously, yeah. Tech wasn't there back then.

Tech still isn't there IMO. Smash 3DS looks like shit.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Brawl was barely a fighting game.  It was mostly a collect-a-thon for people on the autism spectrum to spend countless hours ogling figurines and listening to retro soundclips.

If Smash Brothers 4 is more of the same, then I don't see why they can't recreate that on the 3DS.

[bork]

Well, obviously, yeah. Tech wasn't there back then.

Tech still isn't there IMO. Smash 3DS looks like shit.

Yeah, look at that shit.   

[Tasty]

Glad you agree.

[bork]

Yep, I'll take my lumps on this one. Never cared for fighters, really.

Then why would you even say what you said?   

From an outsider perspective, the hype is always with the console versions though. Handheld fighting games are held in high esteem if they manage to somehow not fuck something up in the transition. Never seen a AAA handheld-only fighter.

Handheld-only?  That's easy:



People want to play portable versions of fighters for practice/competition on the go.  It's really only something that started with the likes of amazing ports like Tekken 5DR on the PSP in 2005.

People excited for Smash 3DS is just odd for me. Smash wouldn't be the franchise it is today if it had started on a handheld.

Yeah, because games that start on portables never get popular.  Remember that Pokemon game?  LOL that shit never had a chance. 

[bork]

Glad you agree.

Do you not own a 3DS?  Because trying to not justify getting one would at least make some sense. 

EDIT: You're on my 3DS friends list, so no free pass for you there.   

[Beezy]

Andrex, just stop.

[Purple Filth]

Yep, I'll take my lumps on this one. Never cared for fighters, really.

Then why would you even say what you said?   

From an outsider perspective, the hype is always with the console versions though. Handheld fighting games are held in high esteem if they manage to somehow not fuck something up in the transition. Never seen a AAA handheld-only fighter.

Handheld-only?  That's easy:

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People want to play portable versions of fighters for practice/competition on the go.  It's really only something that started with the likes of amazing ports like Tekken 5DR on the PSP in 2005.

People excited for Smash 3DS is just odd for me. Smash wouldn't be the franchise it is today if it had started on a handheld.

Yeah, because games that start on portables never get popular.  Remember that Pokemon game?  LOL that shit never had a chance.

Damn i forgot about tekken 5 DR 

Also while MH never started on a portable it did fucking explode there. (holy shit @ that ether  )

[Human Snorenado]

Well, obviously, yeah. Tech wasn't there back then.

Tech still isn't there IMO. Smash 3DS looks like shit.

Well, it's not a fighting game. So.

[Vizzys]

fun things are fun

[Tasty]

Then why would you even say what you said?   

I was arguing. Things like that tend to happen to me. It's a tragic character flaw that needs to be called out now and then.

Yeah, because games that start on portables never get popular.  Remember that Pokemon game?  LOL that shit never had a chance.

Well, that's kind of my point. Certain kinds of games just seem like they're made for console or handheld and feel weird when jumping to the other side.

People getting excited for Smash 3DS are the same as people that got excited for Pokemon Battle Revolution, in my eyes. I mean, if you're a mega-fan of the series that buys all the games, then by all means...

[Raban]

bork this reminds me, we should play a fighting game again sometime. Promise I won't rage quit I've really wanted someone to spar with in VF5FS if you're into that~

[Beezy]

Certain kinds of games just seem like they're made for console or handheld and feel weird when jumping to the other side.

Not fighters. You'd know that if you were a fan of the genre, but instead of listening to those who have been playing them on handhelds since the NeoGeo Pocket days, you continue to talk out of your ass.

Also, Smash is more of a "party game" then a fighter. It'll be just fine on a handheld just like all the other Nintendo franchises that started on consoles and moved to handhelds.

[Tasty]

Probably. Still feels like an appetizer compared to the meal to me.

[Damian79]

The lack of acknowledgement of how world heroes 2 jet was on the original GB in this thread is appalling.

[demi]

I now own every WiiU game worth buying/playing until Bayo 2. Prove me wrong:

- Zelda HD
- Pikmin 3
- NSMBU/LuigiU
- Wonderful 101
- DKC Freezie Pops
- Mario 3D
- ZombiU

[a slime appears]

No Nintendo Land? Get the fuck outta here.

[AdmiralViscen]

Nintendo Land is shit. That list is comprehensive if you have Rayman on another platform and exclude NES Remix for being digital only

[Tasty]

I now own every WiiU game worth buying/playing until Bayo 2. Prove me wrong:

- Zelda HD
- Pikmin 3
- NSMBU/LuigiU
- Wonderful 101
- DKC Freezie Pops
- Mario 3D
- ZombiU

Better than about half the games you listed.

[demi]

I guess this list is comprehensive, maybe E3 will give us a Bayo 2 date.

[a slime appears]

I still don't see NintendoLand, bro.

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Sonic Transformed is pretty dope, best version is Wii U. Another good one is Deus Ex Director's Cut which is best on Wii U as well. I think I also have Scribblenauts Unlimited which I enjoyed but it's more of the same.

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[Olivia Wilde Homo]

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/207218/The_brick_wall_No_close_encounters_with_Nintendos_indie_exec.php#.U1pgAuwtDPE.twitter

It's pretty clear Nintendo doesn't get it and never will get it, especially with Iwata in charge.  Meanwhile I've seen a shitload of advertisements for Mario Kart 8 in stores.  So when Mario Kart 8 inevitably sells less than people think it will, the advertising excuse isn't going to work here.

[a slime appears]

I don't think I'll ever understand the close-minded corporate culture of not allowing your regional subsidiaries call the shots in their own country. Especially in light of highly visible successes like Sega and Sony who've dominated in the US because they had Americans callings the shots here. While I believe Iwata and his board of directors at Nintendo are brilliant Japanese businessmen but it's abundantly clear that their expertise ends at the Japanese border and they routinely fail to understand the US game market or the societal expectations for success in this country.

I know it's a bit silly to type all that because of a gag order on Dan Adelman (who've I had several meetings with) but the situation is pretty reflective of Nintendo's attitude. I'm not exaggerating when I say that he's literally the guy responsible for the eShop's global success and anyone who's had business dealings with him love working with him. He's exactly the type of public figure Nintendo needs right now.


In other news NES Remix 2 is pretty great!

[AdmiralViscen]

How many unlockable games are there? I just got Zelda 2

[bachikarn]

Didn't Nintendo of America use to have more autonomy when Yamauchi's son in law ran it? I remember they did make some attempts to cater to the west before. Then Iwata got the CEO job and the NOA prez retired cos he was pissed. Should have gone with him.

[Takao]

Remember when Nintendo published sports games that didn't star plumbers?

Man, remember when there were sports games from companies outside of EA?

[radioheadrule83]

Regarding the gamasutra article, the author allows himself to reach a lot of conclusions from not being granted a 30 minute interview. I'm in agreement with him that Nintendo would do better to be more open and welcoming, but he's not entitled to their time. I imagine they're busy as fuck trying to do things behind the scenes, and trying not to completely die on their arse. Nintendo are staffed by approx 5100 people. Microsoft, by comparison, have 93000 people at their disposal, Sony with over 140000, over 2000 just in SCE's UK companies alone. Nintendo undoubtedly have a smaller PR operation than the other two, and that is probably part of why they find it difficult to compete and be heard.

In other news NES Remix 2 is pretty great!

It is... Did the first game upload replays to Miiverse or is that new in this one? In the first game I was getting three stars or rainbow stars and considering that good enough, but now I actually want to get the best time I possibly can because I know other people might watch my clips. I've even watched a couple of other peoples videos and stolen their techniques to improve my own times or beat theirs... definitely a nice addition!

I've fully rainbow ranked the first set of remix stages and all of the Metroid stages so far... I think I actively hate Kirby, but some of the challenges he's in are annoyingly addictive to try and beat. I'd never played Warios Woods before, being such a late NES game, and its pretty decent. The game is also seriously making me think Adventure of Link doesn't totally suck... I apparently just didn't know how to do things in it. SNES Remix needs to happen!

How many unlockable games are there? I just got Zelda 2

There are 12 total

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• Dr. Mario
• Ice Hockey
• Kid Icarus
• Kirby's Adventure
• Mario Open Golf
• Metroid
• Punch-Out!!
• Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels
• Super Mario Bros. 2
• Super Mario Bros. 3
• Wario's Woods
• Zelda II: The Adventure of Link

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[demi]

I'll wait for a sale (lol) on NES Remix.

[Tasty]

http://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/1z0zdhihwcoOoqsPcbaAnhQ_Pnmkh3od

To commemorate this occasion, Nintendo is inviting 16 highly skilled Super Smash Bros. players to the NOKIA Theatre L.A. LIVE in Los Angeles to compete in a Super Smash Bros. for Wii U tournament.

So a Smash tourney with "highly skilled" players is a good sign for Smash's competitive viability (), I think. Bamco coming on board to smack the stupid out of Sakurai (no tripping) looks like it's paying off.