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« Reply #60 on: December 04, 2011, 02:49:40 PM »
There's really nothing hard to understand about the plot, it's just really outlandish. I guess people want more of it explained?
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« Reply #61 on: December 04, 2011, 02:50:28 PM »
Sounds to me they just want more. Can't blame em. :smug
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« Reply #62 on: December 04, 2011, 02:51:18 PM »
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« Reply #63 on: December 04, 2011, 02:54:17 PM »
Why the fuck isn't the sewer scene on youtube. It OWNS. Kaneda and the gang get ambushed, awesome music plays, Kaneda grabs a fucking hoverbike and shoots nicca's, and they fly through the sewer tunnels upside and crap, and omg
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« Reply #64 on: December 04, 2011, 02:55:29 PM »
The story wasn't amazing or anything, it was just fun to follow. My main draw was the setting, the animation and the action sequences which did not disappoint. And I like "WTF" stories usually, even if they're awful.

And Oscar I'm the farthest thing from an animu taco and i still like this, its not my fault its much beter than any other crappy animu out there.

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« Reply #65 on: December 04, 2011, 11:18:23 PM »
Worst lines: "MEN, WE'RE GOING TO THE OLYMPICS!"
and later, "RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR..."

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« Reply #66 on: December 04, 2011, 11:24:25 PM »
God the old dub sucks.

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« Reply #67 on: December 04, 2011, 11:30:34 PM »
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« Reply #68 on: December 04, 2011, 11:33:34 PM »
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« Reply #69 on: December 04, 2011, 11:36:41 PM »
whats it feel like to be so wrong
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« Reply #70 on: December 04, 2011, 11:38:59 PM »
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« Reply #71 on: December 04, 2011, 11:40:41 PM »
It's sad, really. Himu's been on fire in this thread, then he stumbles at the final stretch. So sad.
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« Reply #72 on: December 04, 2011, 11:43:07 PM »
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« Reply #73 on: December 04, 2011, 11:44:41 PM »
I'm sorry, okay? You just can't top Johnny Yong Bosch for cheese factor. Sure, Kaneda is Leonardo in the 80's dub, beyond that?

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« Reply #74 on: December 05, 2011, 04:31:50 AM »
Isn't there always that one anime that get's ripped off for a while? Dragonball Z had a LOT of imitators, Naruto being the most popular one at the moment.
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« Reply #75 on: December 05, 2011, 06:43:46 AM »
 
to be fair to akira, i'm a bit harder on it because i feel it is the direct grandpappy of all of the problems anime had (pre-the recent moe problem, which is not akira's fault and might be even worse than what akira did).  because of akira, anime producers realized it was okay if your story didn't make any fucking sense at all as long as the animation was nice and you made it sufficiently weird that people could philosophize about it.  i blame it for the ghost in the shell movie, which has almost EXACTLY the same problems and strengths, and evangelion, which was extremely influential and extremely idiotic, among a litany of other shitty anime that at least nobody cares about.



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« Reply #76 on: December 05, 2011, 09:53:09 AM »
to be fair to akira, i'm a bit harder on it because i feel it is the direct grandpappy of all of the problems anime had (pre-the recent moe problem, which is not akira's fault and might be even worse than what akira did).  because of akira, anime producers realized it was okay if your story didn't make any fucking sense at all as long as the animation was nice and you made it sufficiently weird that people could philosophize about it.  i blame it for the ghost in the shell movie, which has almost EXACTLY the same problems and strengths, and evangelion, which was extremely influential and extremely idiotic, among a litany of other shitty anime that at least nobody cares about.

Ghost in the Shell was a really weird movies that didn't make any sense? Err...what?
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« Reply #77 on: December 05, 2011, 10:56:50 AM »
himuchan, when i first watched this, there *were* no expectations.  this movie wasn't always the great legendary unicorn of anime.  once upon a time, it was just a new movie.  i watched it because "hey this guy on the cover looks kinda cool, let's watch this". 

to be fair to akira, i'm a bit harder on it because i feel it is the direct grandpappy of all of the problems anime had (pre-the recent moe problem, which is not akira's fault and might be even worse than what akira did).  because of akira, anime producers realized it was okay if your story didn't make any fucking sense at all as long as the animation was nice and you made it sufficiently weird that people could philosophize about it.  i blame it for the ghost in the shell movie, which has almost EXACTLY the same problems and strengths, and evangelion, which was extremely influential and extremely idiotic, among a litany of other shitty anime that at least nobody cares about.

if you can get into it, so be it.  the animation is great and the first half of the movie kicks ass.  the art style is wonderful.  but don't sit there laughing at the goofy shit hollywood is doing to the story with their adaptation, cuz akira never had a story leg to stand on to begin with.

how does not akira not make sense, though? I mean, it make a heck of a lot more sense than Eva. Ghost in the Shell makes tons of sense. It's just BORING.
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« Reply #78 on: December 05, 2011, 11:00:42 AM »
For the record, I know what Oscar's talking about here. I just don't think Akira is one of them. I'd say what he's talking about is more attributed to Eva more than Akira. Akira is the result of a manga still being made during its development. Evangelion is the product of a dude who was going to kill himself so he sets off to make the most nihilistic, putrid mecha anime ever which goes on to completely change anime. Akira didn't change anime. Evangeion, however, did.

 
to be fair to akira, i'm a bit harder on it because i feel it is the direct grandpappy of all of the problems anime had (pre-the recent moe problem, which is not akira's fault and might be even worse than what akira did).  because of akira, anime producers realized it was okay if your story didn't make any fucking sense at all as long as the animation was nice and you made it sufficiently weird that people could philosophize about it.  i blame it for the ghost in the shell movie, which has almost EXACTLY the same problems and strengths, and evangelion, which was extremely influential and extremely idiotic, among a litany of other shitty anime that at least nobody cares about.

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evangelion is self absorbed pap. haven't seen the movies, but I kinda don't want anything to do with Eva ever again.
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« Reply #79 on: December 05, 2011, 11:24:50 AM »
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« Reply #80 on: December 05, 2011, 11:36:08 AM »
How did it change anime then? Before Akira, anime received most of its revenue from films and toys. The same thing continued after Akira. Evangelion popularized the television format, which created a televised anime boom after it started getting popular and being heralded as the greatest anime tv series of all time. That's without bringing up the pseudo intellectualism Eva brought to the table that became so prominent after its release.

Did Akira help create more mature works of films being created? No, it did not. Golgo 13 is probably far more, if not equally bloody than Akira ever will be and just as controversial in regards to sex. The Professional predates Akira by five years. Even Grave of the Fireflies was released before Akira. How did Akira change anime? It didn't.

Did Akira help create a wave of more cyber punk anime? Sure. But how is that directly attributed to Akira when cyber punk was big during that period to begin with?

Akira is a highly influential anime. However, it didn't change the industry -- literally -- on its head like Evangelion.

Akira probably changed anime for overseas masses by exposing them to anime, but it didn't really change anime. Akira's influence is mostly seen through how it influenced manga, particularly the art, and that's mostly because of this:





Not this:



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« Reply #81 on: December 05, 2011, 11:42:32 AM »
Evangelion  :yuck
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« Reply #82 on: December 05, 2011, 11:47:02 AM »
How did it change anime then? Before Akira, anime received most of its revenue from films and toys. The same thing continued after Akira. Evangelion popularized the television format, which created a televised anime boom after it started getting popular and being heralded as the greatest anime tv series of all time. That's without bringing up the pseudo intellectualism Eva brought to the table that became so prominent after its release.

Did Akira help create more mature works of films being created? No, it did not. Golgo 13 is probably far more, if not equally bloody than Akira ever will be and just as controversial in regards to sex. The Professional predates Akira by five years. Even Grave of the Fireflies was released before Akira. How did Akira change anime? It didn't.

Did Akira help create a wave of more cyber punk anime? Sure. But how is that directly attributed to Akira when cyber punk was big during that period to begin with?

Akira is a highly influential anime. However, it didn't change the industry -- literally -- on its head like Evangelion.

Akira probably changed anime for overseas masses by exposing them to anime, but it didn't really change anime. Akira's influence is mostly seen through how it influenced manga, particularly the art, and that's mostly because of this:



ok, framed like that you're correct.
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« Reply #83 on: December 05, 2011, 12:01:15 PM »
If you really think that the other two big 90's "Japanimation" titles,Ghost in the Shell (film) and Ninja Scroll, couldn't have come into being without Akira (film), I don't know know what to tell you, especially when the director Ghost in the Shell did Angel's Egg, a film steeped with Biblical symbolism (which predates Akira's film btw :smug) and later, Patlabor (pre-Akira film :smug). Ghost in the Shell was just business for Mamoru Oshii. Yoshiaki Kawajiri, the director of Ninja Scroll, did Neo-Tokyo (sound familiar? another pre-Akira film anime :smug) and especially Wicked City (another pre-Akira film :smug).

Akira didn't change shit. It's just an anime movie with tremendous backing and funding because the manga was so fucking amazing they wanted everyone to bust a nut while watching it.
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« Reply #84 on: December 05, 2011, 12:18:30 PM »
uh ok

It didn't change anime as an institution, i'll agree, but Akira is absolutely an important anime film if for nothing else than it really helped open the door for modern Anime fandom in America.  Also, Akira was probably the most technically proficient anime film at that time (my recollection is somewhat hazy. It was certainly the most impressive anime film I had seen up to that point).  You may not consider it a Citizen Kane but you can't dismiss it as Transformers 2.
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« Reply #85 on: December 05, 2011, 12:24:39 PM »
I believe Golgo 13 was the most technically proficient


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« Reply #86 on: December 05, 2011, 12:54:42 PM »
My overall point is that I think many westerners link Akira to doing many things Akira didn't even innovate or bring to the table, such as the subject matter or the utterly maddening violence that occurs throughout the film. This is understandable, because at a time, Akira was one of the few anime films in circulation in the west, and it was a big hit with the fanbase.

I also think that westerners give too much credit to anime, and little to manga. Akira was originally a manga. Most of its influence is seen through that medium as well. Most anime is based off of manga. Most of the manga authors and artists I follow thank Akira as a main source of inspiration; not the anime film, but the manga.   Akira's film was definitely influential, but I think many western fans overestimate that influence.

So when you're lumping it with stuff like Ghost in the Shell, and saying that Ghost in the Shell was influenced by Akira, I find that entirely false. Because it wasn't. It was its own thing, in a sea of shit doing their own thing.
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« Reply #87 on: December 05, 2011, 12:55:34 PM »
I agree with Jay.  The movie is beautiful and has timeless animation, but it was never satisfying from a storytelling perspective.

I think there's a lot to like about the story telling, particularly the characters and their relationships:

Kaneda and Tetsuo
Tetsuo's relationship with the rest of the gang
Kaede and Ryu
The scientist and the children
Tetsuo and the children
Kaori and Tetsuo
The general

What part of the story is unappealing? The characters? They're developed quite nicely. The plot? I think that's debatable. I don't know what people want when they complain about Akira's story telling. Do you want more Akira, as in the title character? What exactly is wrong with it? Seems to me most complaints towards Akira's story telling come entirely from expectations.

I thought I was pretty clear in my critique, actually, if not as longwinded as I usually get.

The manga is just awesome all around.  Great art, great story.  Zero complaints from me.

The anime is very condensed and major characters and themes get cut out for time.  The manga wasn't finished when the anime was produced, and reportedly Otomo didn't even have his ending planned out yet for the manga.  The anime is certainly beautiful with great music and it has all kinds of great science fiction moments but the overall cohesion of the story suffers from the above, with this weird ambiguous ending that isn't remotely as satisfying as the ending in the manga.


It's like (but not entirely the same) filler episodes in ongoing anime series.  They've run out of content and they still keep going anyway.  Quality suffers.
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« Reply #88 on: December 05, 2011, 12:57:42 PM »
How did it change anime then? Before Akira, anime received most of its revenue from films and toys. The same thing continued after Akira. Evangelion popularized the television format, which created a televised anime boom after it started getting popular and being heralded as the greatest anime tv series of all time.

WHAT

You think a Evangelion, from what...1996, was what popularized the format?  Stuff like Sailor Moon and Dragonball Z did all that first.  Come on dude...merchandise out the ass and Sailor Moon was so popular that images of the characters could be found inside Tokyo Tower.

Akira is absolutely an important anime film if for nothing else than it really helped open the door for modern Anime fandom in America.

Absolutely, but even then it was still "before its time" when the film came out in the States in '89-'90.  Ghost In The Shell in 1995 is what really attracted attention.
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« Reply #89 on: December 05, 2011, 12:57:52 PM »
I'll agree that the film's ending isn't as cohesive or satisfying as the manga's. I'll even concede that many characters don't get developed as much as I'd like to. But I think what's there is still pretty fucking awesome, even if it's Akira: Sparknotes Edition.
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« Reply #90 on: December 05, 2011, 12:59:37 PM »
Motherfuckers be attacking Evangelion up in this bitch?

I will cut you with a prog knife.  5 minutes of power left and I don't give a fuck.

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« Reply #91 on: December 05, 2011, 01:00:03 PM »
How did it change anime then? Before Akira, anime received most of its revenue from films and toys. The same thing continued after Akira. Evangelion popularized the television format, which created a televised anime boom after it started getting popular and being heralded as the greatest anime tv series of all time.

WHAT

You think a Evangelion, from what...1996, was what popularized the format?  Stuff like Sailor Moon and Dragonball Z did all that first.  Come on dude...merchandise out the ass and Sailor Moon was so popular that images of the characters could be found inside Tokyo Tower.

Not disputing that. I'm mostly talking about more "serious" anime tv shows. You know what I'm talking about. I think it's debatable Cowboy Bebop would not exist without Evangelion. Evangelion helped create a specific audience, and I'm trying to think of any anime tv show, besides Gundam, that penetrated this audience with television series' before Evangelion's time.
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« Reply #92 on: December 05, 2011, 01:02:58 PM »
How did it change anime then? Before Akira, anime received most of its revenue from films and toys. The same thing continued after Akira. Evangelion popularized the television format, which created a televised anime boom after it started getting popular and being heralded as the greatest anime tv series of all time.

WHAT

You think a Evangelion, from what...1996, was what popularized the format?  Stuff like Sailor Moon and Dragonball Z did all that first.  Come on dude...merchandise out the ass and Sailor Moon was so popular that images of the characters could be found inside Tokyo Tower.

Not disputing that. I'm mostly talking about more "serious" anime tv shows. You know what I'm talking about. I think it's debatable Cowboy Bebop would not exist without Evangelion. Evangelion helped create a specific audience, and I'm trying to think of any anime tv show, besides Gundam, that penetrated this audience with television series' before Evangelion's time.

Gundam and Macross certainly come to mind first.  But our scope is really limited since for most of us anime starts in the late 80s and early 90s.

You also talk about merchandising.  Eva has nothing on the more-popular kids' series out there in that regard.
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« Reply #93 on: December 05, 2011, 01:05:07 PM »
Stated another way, when you're making an adaptation and you've got fantastic source material, diverging wildly from the source material doesn't usually work too well in terms of quality, and often cuts out / undermines important themes.

It doesn't have to be paint by numbers and not everything translates well, granted... but any major revisions in tone or plot shift and you're basically being ballsy and saying you could do better... it blows up in the director's face as often than not.

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« Reply #94 on: December 05, 2011, 01:07:58 PM »
True enough.

It seems to me, before Evangelion, stuff with the content that's in that show were mostly left to film and ova's. This is why, for a long period of time, film and ova's were the subset of anime that had the more risque', more adult content. If you wanted to watch an anime about the philosophical shit, you'd stick to a film. But after Evangelion, whew boy. That stuff permeated anime tv like flies against Jinfash's unclean bidet infused asshole.
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« Reply #95 on: December 05, 2011, 01:08:48 PM »
How did it change anime then? Before Akira, anime received most of its revenue from films and toys. The same thing continued after Akira. Evangelion popularized the television format, which created a televised anime boom after it started getting popular and being heralded as the greatest anime tv series of all time.

WHAT

You think a Evangelion, from what...1996, was what popularized the format?  Stuff like Sailor Moon and Dragonball Z did all that first.  Come on dude...merchandise out the ass and Sailor Moon was so popular that images of the characters could be found inside Tokyo Tower.

Not disputing that. I'm mostly talking about more "serious" anime tv shows. You know what I'm talking about. I think it's debatable Cowboy Bebop would not exist without Evangelion. Evangelion helped create a specific audience, and I'm trying to think of any anime tv show, besides Gundam, that penetrated this audience with television series' before Evangelion's time.

Touch (consistently got a 30% share of all viewers during it's 101 episode run), Macross, Ranma 1/2, Aim for the Ace!, Space Battleship Yamato... I can do this all day.
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« Reply #96 on: December 05, 2011, 01:09:18 PM »
In this case... the really weird thing is that the director WAS the author.  Who admittedly didn't know where he wanted to end the story.  So... 

 :lol

I really don't understand, though since the end result ended up being a big financial and critical hit, I'm sure Otomo doesn't exactly require vindication from fans of the manga just because the film wasn't as good as it could have been.
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« Reply #97 on: December 05, 2011, 01:11:26 PM »
How did it change anime then? Before Akira, anime received most of its revenue from films and toys. The same thing continued after Akira. Evangelion popularized the television format, which created a televised anime boom after it started getting popular and being heralded as the greatest anime tv series of all time.

WHAT

You think a Evangelion, from what...1996, was what popularized the format?  Stuff like Sailor Moon and Dragonball Z did all that first.  Come on dude...merchandise out the ass and Sailor Moon was so popular that images of the characters could be found inside Tokyo Tower.

Not disputing that. I'm mostly talking about more "serious" anime tv shows. You know what I'm talking about. I think it's debatable Cowboy Bebop would not exist without Evangelion. Evangelion helped create a specific audience, and I'm trying to think of any anime tv show, besides Gundam, that penetrated this audience with television series' before Evangelion's time.

Macross, Ranma 1/2, Maison Ikkou, Urusei Yatsura, Space Battleship Yamato... I can do this all day.

Macross and Yamato being exceptions, I don't think those others really fit the bill, there's even stuff like LoGH and Captain Harlock. I'm not saying anime like that didn't exist before Eva. But Eva certainly helped create a boom for the format.
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« Reply #98 on: December 05, 2011, 01:13:03 PM »
SPACE RUNAWAY IDEON.

Seriously, Anno has even admitted that he ripped it off to make Evangelion.

Yes, Evanglion spawned countless "machoor" ripoffs, and as much as I like it, it wasn't really a unique snowflake.
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« Reply #99 on: December 05, 2011, 01:14:41 PM »
I didn't say Eva was a unique snowflake. I'm talking about impact.
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« Reply #100 on: December 05, 2011, 01:17:49 PM »
Gainax was also incredibly willing to whore Evangelion out as much as possible.
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« Reply #101 on: December 05, 2011, 01:19:07 PM »
Haha, no joke.
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« Reply #102 on: December 05, 2011, 01:20:21 PM »
Anecdotally, I find that the Akira film and the Evangelion series are kind of given that "Important" stamp and are often hyped up to the point of setting unrealistic expectations for new viewers.


I temper my praise nowadays, and for some folks I just recommend the manga / the Rebuild films, respectively.
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« Reply #103 on: December 05, 2011, 01:22:52 PM »
Evangelion also aired at what was probably an inappropriate time originally, causing some controversy and resulting in many people watching who wouldn't typically give anime the time of day.
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« Reply #104 on: December 05, 2011, 01:26:42 PM »
I'm going to watch Akira right after I'm done with Midnight In Paris, anime on bluray :rock

Evangelion was OK for the only 3 episodes I've seen, I've never cared enough to start watching it though.
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« Reply #105 on: December 05, 2011, 01:50:41 PM »
Akira, the film has been considered a landmark for Japanese animation and filmmaking in general. I don't know why you're arguing this, Himu. Ghost in the Shell would be the other film that achieved this, but several years later, effectively popularizing cyberpunk in both animation and film.

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« Reply #106 on: December 05, 2011, 01:52:49 PM »
The first GitS film is interesting, in that it didn't do a whole lot in Japan, but really caught on everywhere else.
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« Reply #107 on: December 05, 2011, 01:57:14 PM »
Akira, the film has been considered a landmark for Japanese animation and filmmaking in general. I don't know why you're arguing this, Himu.

I didn't say it wasn't. I worship Akira. It is probably in top 5 favorite animated films.
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« Reply #108 on: December 05, 2011, 02:33:30 PM »
Anecdotally, I find that the Akira film and the Evangelion series are kind of given that "Important" stamp and are often hyped up to the point of setting unrealistic expectations for new viewers.


I temper my praise nowadays, and for some folks I just recommend the manga / the Rebuild films, respectively.

I don't remember when Evangelion came out, but when I was getting into anime in the last 90s, my nerdier friends never recommended it.  I watched it later on and ended up liking it quite a bit.  I'm being hypocritical here because of what I said earlier, but I can appreciate Evangelion's dedication to being up its own ass.

Other than Ghibli films, Akira, and GitS, it was stuff like Jin-Roh, Vampire Hunter D, and Ninja Scrolls.

I think Ninja Scrolls was when I stopped listening to their recommendations.

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« Reply #109 on: December 05, 2011, 02:39:33 PM »
The first GitS film is interesting, in that it didn't do a whole lot in Japan, but really caught on everywhere else.
Ghost in the Shell was marketed on the strength of Akira.  If you don't have Akira you don't have a lot of money pouring into Anime during the 90s, you don't get the big budget series aimed at selling in America (Cowboy Bebop for instance).

This is a fair point, and exactly why Akira is influential. But when I say Akira changed anime, I'm talking about how anime is made. Akira is culturally relevant, but I don't think I can say with a straight face that Akira really changed anime. Not in the way Oscar said it did.
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« Reply #110 on: December 05, 2011, 02:40:50 PM »
Anecdotally, I find that the Akira film and the Evangelion series are kind of given that "Important" stamp and are often hyped up to the point of setting unrealistic expectations for new viewers.


I temper my praise nowadays, and for some folks I just recommend the manga / the Rebuild films, respectively.

I'm one of those people burned by Eva for these exact reasons. I wasn't burned by Akira.
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« Reply #111 on: December 05, 2011, 02:42:12 PM »
SPACE RUNAWAY IDEON.

Seriously, Anno has even admitted that he ripped it off to make Evangelion.

Yes, Evanglion spawned countless "machoor" ripoffs, and as much as I like it, it wasn't really a unique snowflake.

I'm like 60-70% through IDEON's story in SRWA3 and I still don't see any connection between IDEON and Eva.  Maybe Anno ripped the ending of Eva from the ending of Ideon, but otherwise they don't seem very similar in the shows themselves.

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« Reply #112 on: December 05, 2011, 02:44:18 PM »
End of Evangelion has scenes literally lifted from Be Invoke, the IDEON finale film.
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« Reply #113 on: December 05, 2011, 05:23:32 PM »
Speaking of Yoshiaki Kawajiri, he directed this over a year before Akira:



:nsfw by the way.

And, like Himu said, Mamoru Oshii was no stranger to deliberately-paced, high-minded scifi. And Ghost in the Shell was more a product of Blade Runner's influence and the cyperpunk novels of the 80's. Shirow might have been influenced by the Akira manga though, it came out about year before GitS started.
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« Reply #114 on: December 05, 2011, 07:21:14 PM »
Speaking of Yoshiaki Kawajiri, he directed this over a year before Akira:



:nsfw by the way.

And, like Himu said, Mamoru Oshii was no stranger to deliberately-paced, high-minded scifi. And Ghost in the Shell was more a product of Blade Runner's influence and the cyperpunk novels of the 80's. Shirow might have been influenced by the Akira manga though, it came out about year before GitS started.

Just like I said, mayne. And yea, Wicked City owns.
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« Reply #115 on: December 05, 2011, 07:30:59 PM »
That looks amazing!
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« Reply #116 on: December 05, 2011, 07:36:54 PM »
More 80's anime films:









80's anime. :rock :rock :rock :rock

Akira is really just a product of 80's anime being fucking AWESOME but with a huge budget. :rock
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« Reply #117 on: December 05, 2011, 07:43:31 PM »




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« Reply #118 on: December 05, 2011, 07:54:28 PM »




:rock MACROSS: DO YOU REMEMBER LOVE? :rock

80's is my favorite decade for anime films.  :-[ :-[
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« Reply #119 on: December 05, 2011, 07:54:42 PM »
The first GitS film is interesting, in that it didn't do a whole lot in Japan, but really caught on everywhere else.
Ghost in the Shell was marketed on the strength of Akira.  If you don't have Akira you don't have a lot of money pouring into Anime during the 90s, you don't get the big budget series aimed at selling in America (Cowboy Bebop for instance).

This is a fair point, and exactly why Akira is influential. But when I say Akira changed anime, I'm talking about how anime is made. Akira is culturally relevant, but I don't think I can say with a straight face that Akira really changed anime. Not in the way Oscar said it did.

the success of akira changed anime the same way the success of western games has changed the landscape of the videogame industry in japan, e.g. square enix and capcom. it didn't necessarily change the industry as a whole in japan in terms of what producers and studios were puting out, but having just the few number of eyes in the states gazing over towards the direction of japan for something that was so scarce and highly demanded did eventually shift the entire industry.