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[Eel O'Brian]

Doesn't each Elder Scrolls game outsell the previous one?

[The Sceneman]

Skyrim tanked iirc

[MyNameIsMethodis]

Onimusha is a rad series. They should make it super serious though instead of fucking zombies ala Way of the Samurai

[MyNameIsMethodis]

how come we never got the 1600s yakuza game

[Tasty]

Welp, DMC is dead.  Time for an Onimusha reboot!

Shenmue reboot where Ryo is a grimdark 17 year old smack addict who has to kill his dealer who was part of the gang that shot up his homiez.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Exclusively on iOS.

[close]

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I'm with Steve - the #1 reason for DmC's sales is DMC4. it's always the previous game that kills the latest

[Rahxephon91]

I thought playing as Nero was a pretty great addition. It felt pretty need and different to me. If they just added that and Dante's quick change style to one character you would have had a pretty fresh playing game. I really just think a DMC5 needed to do that and not have repeating levels. I think if you just fixed the structure problem of 4 you'd have a pretty fantastic game. My only problem with DMC4 was having Dante repeat the game.

[maxy]

MC numbers,Week 3, 2013 (Jan 14 - Jan 20)

3DS LL   51,015
3DS   30,840
PS3   19,697
Wii U   16,654
PSP   15,343
Vita   9,036
Wii   2,199
Xbox 360   706

On Wednesday morning, Capcom addressed questions concerning PS Vita’s omission from the re-release of “Resident Evil Revelations”. Mike Lunn, Product Manager at Capcom, replied to questions from fans and shared a couple of reasons as to why the PS Vita wasn’t a platform of choice.

Yesterday, Capcom announced “Resident Evil Revelations Unveiled Edition” for release on Xbox 360, PS3, PC, and Wii U on May 21 in North America. Immediately, fans noticed that the PlayStation Vita has been omitted from this new release and now fans are wondering why Capcom chose not to put this once 3DS exclusive on Sony’s handheld.

Well, the reasons may surprise you.

When asked why there is no PS Vita version, he replied:

…. when we were developing Revelations for new platforms we really wanted to hone in on the experience you get with a large format screen, surround sound, etc. This type of setup really helps players get sucked into the horror vibe and enjoy the game to its fullest extent.

He later added:


3DS and PS-vita infrastructure let alone developing games for them are extremely different beasts. Even just the screens as you mention are completely different resolutions/functions.

Please understand.

Also WiiU is bombing hard hard with nothing in the close future to pull it up.

Btw,Famitsu has this
WiiU 16.635
PSP  16.625

For comparison,somebody posted this on gaf

Wii never dropped below 20.000 units until the week 117. (2009.02.16 - 16.973)
Wii never dropped below 15.000 units until the week 124. (2009.04.06 - 13.349)
Wii never dropped below 10.000 units until the week 224. (2011.03.07 - 9.519)

[Cerveza mas fina]

PS 3 widening the gap between last gen consoles

What are the LTD between PS3 and WiiU?

[archnemesis]

PS3
YTD: 107.040
LTD: 8.967.124

Wii U
YTD: 104.452
LTD:  731.739

(Media Create)

[Flannel Boy]

So how many weeks until an price slash/ambassador program/please understand?

[Don Flamenco]

I doubt, seriously, that a DMC 5 would have sold better or substantially more then the latest installment.
kinda like how RE6 is an actual improvement over part 5 but sold worse.  Just like how GTA5 will kick ass but not as much as IV did, or as Halo 4 didn't light em' up quite as much as Halo 3, same with Hitman Absolution and doubly so with Medal of Honor.

save Borderlands 2 and Battlefield 3, I can't really think of any recent franchise title that has sold better then its predecessor, and I would imagine that part of this is brand fatigue and part of this is the industry contraction.

You need to remember DMC4 left a sour taste in a lot of people's mouths.  DMC5 wasn't a slam dunk no matter you look at it.

yes, DMC5 would have both outsold and reviewed better than DmC, if Capcom addressed things that needed to be changed in 4.   

It has been 5 years since DMC4 (2/2008), there's no brand fatigue.  The only brand fatigue was brought on by Capcom taking years to even announce a sequel.  Before DmC was rumored/announced, people were clamoring for DMC5.  The series had/has lots of fans.

[maxy]

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/press/2013/jan13/01-24fy13Q2earningsPR.aspx

MICROSOFT - Three Months Ended December 31, 2012 (in Millions)

Microsoft Corporation


Revenue ---> $21,456

Operating Income ---> $7,771

Net Income ---> $6,377


Entertainment & Devices Division

Revenue ---> $3,772

Operating Income ---> $596

What to say...bring on next gen,you certainly have the cash

[maxy]

Yeah,it was there in Q1 report.

[Great Rumbler]

They've got a ton of stuff lumped together and they're still only pulling down $600 million in income? Not really all that hot, to be honest.

[maxy]

Checked it,Skype first appearance...FY12 Q1(Entertainment & Devices Division).

"Skype acquisition closed"

[Steve Contra]

I doubt, seriously, that a DMC 5 would have sold better or substantially more then the latest installment.
kinda like how RE6 is an actual improvement over part 5 but sold worse.  Just like how GTA5 will kick ass but not as much as IV did, or as Halo 4 didn't light em' up quite as much as Halo 3, same with Hitman Absolution and doubly so with Medal of Honor.

save Borderlands 2 and Battlefield 3, I can't really think of any recent franchise title that has sold better then its predecessor, and I would imagine that part of this is brand fatigue and part of this is the industry contraction.

You need to remember DMC4 left a sour taste in a lot of people's mouths.  DMC5 wasn't a slam dunk no matter you look at it.

yes, DMC5 would have both outsold and reviewed better than DmC, if Capcom addressed things that needed to be changed in 4.   

It has been 5 years since DMC4 (2/2008), there's no brand fatigue.  The only brand fatigue was brought on by Capcom taking years to even announce a sequel.  Before DmC was rumored/announced, people were clamoring for DMC5.  The series had/has lots of fans.

You're making the classic mistake of taking forum goers as the general population.

[Great Rumbler]

Top sellers for 2012 in Japan:

1. DS – Pokémon BW2 – 2,919,977 (2,919,977)
2. 3DS – Animal Crossing: New Leaf – 1,969,955 (1,969,955)
3. 3DS – New Super Mario Bros 2 – 1,743,791 (1,743,791)
4. 3DS – Dragon Quest Monsters – 919,870 (919,870)
5. PS3 – Resident Evil 6 – 833,012 (833,012)
6. PS3 – One Piece Musou – 828,150 (828,150)
7. 3DS – Mario Kart 7 – 748,797 (1,908,966)
8. 3DS – Super Mario 3D Land – 689,374 (1,769,566)
9. Wii – Mario Party 9 – 641,348 (641,348)
10. Wii – Dragon Quest X Online – 609,783 (609,783)
11. 3DS – Monster Hunter 3G – 602,058 (1,587,556)
12. PS3 – Yakuza 5 – 518,224 (518,224)
13. PS3 – Dragon’s Dogma – 467,375 (467,375)
14. 3DS – Fire Emblem Kakusei – 455,268 (455,268)
15. PS3 – Tales of Xillia 2 – 428,913 (428,913)
16. 3DS – Paper Mario: Sticker Star – 402,133 (402,133)
17. PS3 – Winning Eleven 2013 – 399,340 (399,340)
18. 3DS – Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity – 373,699 (373,699)
19. Wii U – New Super Mario Brothers U – 369,392 (369,392)
20. Wii – Wii Sports Resort – 358,627 (1,161,600)
21. PSP – Super Robot Wars ZII – 344,018 (344,018)
22. DS – Pokémon Conquest – 341,250 (341,250)
23. 3DS – Taiko no Tatsujin Chibi Dragon – 340,533 (340,533)
24. PS3 – Resident Evil: Operation Racoon City – 338,889 (338,889)
25. 3DS – Kingdom Hearts 3D – 338,812 (338,812)
26. 3DS – Tousouchu Shijou Saikyou no Hunter – 337,472 (337,472)
27. Wii – Taiko no Tatsujin Wii – 321,959 (321,959)
28. 3DS – Kid Icarus: Uprising – 316,133 (316,133)
29. 3DS – Inazuma Eleven GO 2 – 314,016 (314,016)
30. 3DS – Resident Evil: Revelations – 296,040 (296,040)

[Tasty]

Top 3, Nintendo is king of Japan.

[AdmiralViscen]

theres a mario party 9?

[Tasty]

609k is... pretty horrible for a mainline Dragon Quest, even excusing it's an MMO on a dead platform.

I wonder if the Wii U version will blow past that easily or if it'll be just as much as an uphill battle.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

what was the name of the dragon quest pokemon clone on the game boy color?

[Don Flamenco]

I doubt, seriously, that a DMC 5 would have sold better or substantially more then the latest installment.
kinda like how RE6 is an actual improvement over part 5 but sold worse.  Just like how GTA5 will kick ass but not as much as IV did, or as Halo 4 didn't light em' up quite as much as Halo 3, same with Hitman Absolution and doubly so with Medal of Honor.

save Borderlands 2 and Battlefield 3, I can't really think of any recent franchise title that has sold better then its predecessor, and I would imagine that part of this is brand fatigue and part of this is the industry contraction.

You need to remember DMC4 left a sour taste in a lot of people's mouths.  DMC5 wasn't a slam dunk no matter you look at it.

yes, DMC5 would have both outsold and reviewed better than DmC, if Capcom addressed things that needed to be changed in 4.   

It has been 5 years since DMC4 (2/2008), there's no brand fatigue.  The only brand fatigue was brought on by Capcom taking years to even announce a sequel.  Before DmC was rumored/announced, people were clamoring for DMC5.  The series had/has lots of fans.

You're making the classic mistake of taking forum goers as the general population.

Or... are you?

intrigue!

he is! 

[Tasty]

what was the name of the dragon quest pokemon clone on the game boy color?

Terry's Wonderland?

[Tasty]

609k is... pretty horrible for a mainline Dragon Quest, even excusing it's an MMO on a dead platform.

I wonder if the Wii U version will blow past that easily or if it'll be just as much as an uphill battle.

haha, you really have no idea what you're talking about

Enlighten me, Oscar sama. I would love to be able to say DQX beat expectations on GAF, it fuels my obvious ninthing agenda you know.

[Tasty]

Did they launch the PS2 version first?

[Tasty]

Just wondering.

OK, so DQX sold gangbusters. Good to know.

[Himu]

I doubt, seriously, that a DMC 5 would have sold better or substantially more then the latest installment.
kinda like how RE6 is an actual improvement over part 5 but sold worse.  Just like how GTA5 will kick ass but not as much as IV did, or as Halo 4 didn't light em' up quite as much as Halo 3, same with Hitman Absolution and doubly so with Medal of Honor.

save Borderlands 2 and Battlefield 3, I can't really think of any recent franchise title that has sold better then its predecessor, and I would imagine that part of this is brand fatigue and part of this is the industry contraction.

First thing ever.disagreed with hyper zone on

[Phoenix Dark]

Any devils advocate defense of the WiiU strategy in Japan so far? I don't understand Nintendo's reasoning for not having some big launch title for the homeland, and nothing on the horizon. Also will this rebound like the 3DS after a flurry of software/Mario Kart?

[Great Rumbler]

Also will this rebound like the 3DS after a flurry of software/Mario Kart?

It's possible, I suppose, but two of the factors for the 3DS's resurgence seems to be that the Japanese still like playing dedicated handhelds and every other dedicated handheld is either at the end of its life [DS and PSP] or never had any life to begin with [Vita]. Home consoles haven't looked good in Japan for a while [both the Wii and the PS3 have been in the dumps for months] and the PS4, at least, is likely to have far more life to it than the Vita ever did. The Wii U just isn't in a very good situation right now and I don't see what Nintendo can do, other than launch a massive flurry of must-have titles very soon, to make any kind of a turn around.

[Tasty]

I don't understand Nintendo's reasoning for not having some big launch title for the homeland

I suspect they believed MH3G HD and NSMBU would help more than they have.

and nothing on the horizon.

Define horizon.

[maxy]

Any devils advocate defense of the WiiU strategy in Japan so far? I don't understand Nintendo's reasoning for not having some big launch title for the homeland, and nothing on the horizon. Also will this rebound like the 3DS after a flurry of software/Mario Kart?

I will try to answer the bold part.
Rebound?Yes.
Rebound like 3DS?No.

One thing I'm pretty sure,unless some miracle happens soon third party is generally fucked up on this platform.If I was third party I would ask myself just one question.

This thing will inevitably start selling so wtf  should we do right now?Visit a psychic?

million dollar question

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Also will this rebound like the 3DS after a flurry of software/Mario Kart?

It's possible, I suppose, but two of the factors for the 3DS's resurgence seems to be that the Japanese still like playing dedicated handhelds and every other dedicated handheld is either at the end of its life [DS and PSP] or never had any life to begin with [Vita]. Home consoles haven't looked good in Japan for a while [both the Wii and the PS3 have been in the dumps for months] and the PS4, at least, is likely to have far more life to it than the Vita ever did. The Wii U just isn't in a very good situation right now and I don't see what Nintendo can do, other than launch a massive flurry of must-have titles very soon, to make any kind of a turn around.

That depends on if Nintendo is even willing to save it.  The "Panic Nintendo is the best Nintendo" didn't quite pan out for the Gamecube.  We could get a bunch of great must haves for it or Nintendo could just drop software support for it after 2014 and just hope that the 3DS successor pans out in the marketplace.

[Father_Brain]

Also, I've said this in many places, but the Vita is SO not dead! People give up on these systems waaaaaay too quickly. Ragnarok Odyssey has been doing great, and the system seems to have a very bright future ahead of it.

People seem to assume that new systems must be absolute runaway successes for all parties IMMEDIATELY or they're simply never going to be successful at all. But the past has proven this incorrect time and time again, and I think the Vita is no exception there. All this "doom and gloom" about it seems so silly, considering it's not even a year old here in North America yet! It hasn't even learned to crawl, much less walk. Give it time, though, and it'll be zoomin' all over the place.

Granted, XSEED doesn't exactly need a large userbase to sell their games to, so they should do fine supporting Vita for the foreseeable future... but looking at the bigger picture, the amount of willful ignorance and/or fanboyish delusion required to believe this is pretty remarkable.

On another note, Nintendo's earnings release on Wednesday should be fun.  I hope Iwata is asked some good, tough questions, particularly about third-party support.

[Tasty]

I hope they ask about their digital content strategy and they don't deflect to "Look! Miiverse on smartphones! Nintendo is hip and with it now! BELIEVE"

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

If that means xseed is bringing Ys IV over, great.

Regarding the rest of that statement, I don't believe it at all.  I guess the only outside chance is if Sony really pushes Vita/PS4 integration.  I still think Sony is going to be phasing it out throughout this year to the point where nobody really notices.  No price drops, no fire sales, nothing.  Just a slow fade.

[Don Flamenco]

Also, I've said this in many places, but the Vita is SO not dead! People give up on these systems waaaaaay too quickly. Ragnarok Odyssey has been doing great, and the system seems to have a very bright future ahead of it.

People seem to assume that new systems must be absolute runaway successes for all parties IMMEDIATELY or they're simply never going to be successful at all. But the past has proven this incorrect time and time again, and I think the Vita is no exception there. All this "doom and gloom" about it seems so silly, considering it's not even a year old here in North America yet! It hasn't even learned to crawl, much less walk. Give it time, though, and it'll be zoomin' all over the place.

Granted, XSEED doesn't exactly need a large userbase to sell their games to, so they should do fine supporting Vita for the foreseeable future... but looking at the bigger picture, the amount of willful ignorance and/or fanboyish delusion required to believe this is pretty remarkable.

On another note, Nintendo's earnings release on Wednesday should be fun.  I hope Iwata is asked some good, tough questions, particularly about third-party support.

he's 100% correct.  you guys just fear vita-lovers.  me and my fellow borean viggers will defend its honor alongside mr. wyrdwad

[DCharlieJP]

yup - unless there's some super secret Sony super relaunch coming the Vita is going to limp along until Kaz takes it round the back of the shed and puts it out of it's misery - but there might be a long period where Kaz eye's the mangy old mutt from his sofa and hasn't the heart to do it just yet.

Best to hope for is that there's going to be some huge "TADAAAAAAA! SUPLIZE!!!!" around Soul Sacrifice time with a bunch of first parties and some Paid For exclusives.

But yup - i'm not expecting anything immaginative from Sony.

[Don Flamenco]

Worth mentioning that in the past Wyrdwad has clearly demonstrated he has no access to sales data outside XSeed's own.  So, yeah, from his perspective, Vita probably seems fine.  But from his perspective, a game that barely sold 50k was his company's greatest success.

yes, my serious response would be that as much as I like his enthusiasm, a system doesn't live off games that sell in the 10k - 50k range.or system sales in japan in the 4 digits without a monster hunter game to phoenix down their system.

[originalz]

You guys should get Sam Bishop to post here, he posts on SA and is the most blatant shill for Sony and the Vita you'll ever see from a "professional journalist".  Holy hell, you could quote every single post he makes and have a field day with it.  Before the launch he was claiming that people who thought that the Vita would fail were certifiably insane, and is still delusional about how this E3 Sony is going to go big and everyone will turn around and realize what an amazing system it is and it'll be the best selling thing ever.  When people asked him if he actually had any real knowledge about E3 announcements (you know, since he's actually in the press scene), he said that he didn't, but it it's only logical for Sony to focus on the Vita this year.

Sadly people don't call him out on his stupid shit that often, although when they do he just waves it off saying "I'll admit I got a little excited and may have exaggerated a bit there, but you know..."  What an embarrassment to the industry.

[Father_Brain]

You guys should get Sam Bishop to post here, he posts on SA and is the most blatant shill for Sony and the Vita you'll ever see from a "professional journalist".  Holy hell, you could quote every single post he makes and have a field day with it.  Before the launch he was claiming that people who thought that the Vita would fail were certifiably insane, and is still delusional about how this E3 Sony is going to go big and everyone will turn around and realize what an amazing system it is and it'll be the best selling thing ever.  When people asked him if he actually had any real knowledge about E3 announcements (you know, since he's actually in the press scene), he said that he didn't, but it it's only logical for Sony to focus on the Vita this year.

Sadly people don't call him out on his stupid shit that often, although when they do he just waves it off saying "I'll admit I got a little excited and may have exaggerated a bit there, but you know..."  What an embarrassment to the industry.

Yeah, he's hilarious.  The only remotely specific Vita-related promise I ever saw him make was stating as fact, just after Sony's TGS 2011 conference, that Capcom would be bringing both RE and LP to the platform in some form.

When I asked him again about a year later, he claimed that his source at Capcom had left the company shortly after he posted the "rumor," and thus could no longer verify it.

[cool breeze]

the good old days when there was a clear victor

and it's sad that Ys Vita's localization status is up in the air.  Makes nayuta no kiseki's chances seem less than zero, unless it gets a 3DS port or something.

[Purple Filth]

You guys should get Sam Bishop to post here, he posts on SA and is the most blatant shill for Sony and the Vita you'll ever see from a "professional journalist".  Holy hell, you could quote every single post he makes and have a field day with it.  Before the launch he was claiming that people who thought that the Vita would fail were certifiably insane, and is still delusional about how this E3 Sony is going to go big and everyone will turn around and realize what an amazing system it is and it'll be the best selling thing ever.  When people asked him if he actually had any real knowledge about E3 announcements (you know, since he's actually in the press scene), he said that he didn't, but it it's only logical for Sony to focus on the Vita this year.

Sadly people don't call him out on his stupid shit that often, although when they do he just waves it off saying "I'll admit I got a little excited and may have exaggerated a bit there, but you know..."  What an embarrassment to the industry.

I remember that meltdown he had 

[maxy]

http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/latest/index_test.jsp&ct=110032

DMC bomba
3 Wii games
no WiiU games

Nintendo has a really big WiiU problem,they should not be digging tunnels bellow UK top 40*.Japan is headed into that direction too and I have a feeling that January NPD will be brutal.

Question for Japan people,what is the used WiiU stores situation?What is the price compared to retail?Are stores full of it?


*Anecdotal stuff
In my country(consoles/games imported from UK) there is like just one retailer that caries WiiU,very expensive shop that mostly imports foreign magazines and books.The rest of the gaming oriented shops literally have no mention of WiiU and they are full of Wii,PS3,360,PC stuff.No preorders,no call to ask,nothing.I have noticed this before but I thought it was a typical few weeks after disease.Main capital,btw

For comparison Wii,PS3,360 were available as soon as they could get them.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Oh man that great Nintendo Direct sure sparked some sales in the UK 

Western gamers can't wait for X, yoshi and SMT vs Fire Emblem.

[Momo]

http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/latest/index_test.jsp&ct=110032

DMC bomba
3 Wii games
no WiiU games

Nintendo has a really big WiiU problem,they should not be digging tunnels bellow UK top 40*.Japan is headed into that direction too and I have a feeling that January NPD will be brutal.

Question for Japan people,what is the used WiiU stores situation?What is the price compared to retail?Are stores full of it?


*Anecdotal stuff
In my country(consoles/games imported from UK) there is like just one retailer that caries WiiU,very expensive shop that mostly imports foreign magazines and books.The rest of the gaming oriented shops literally have no mention of WiiU and they are full of Wii,PS3,360,PC stuff.No preorders,no call to ask,nothing.I have noticed this before but I thought it was a typical few weeks after disease.Main capital,btw

For comparison Wii,PS3,360 were available as soon as they could get them.

(Image removed from quote.)

[Cerveza mas fina]

Borys 

@Oscar : how much did Xenosaga / Xenoblade sell in the west?

[FoneBone]

IIRC NPD numbers don't include games exclusive to one retailer, so there aren't US numbers available for Xenoblade.

[Tasty]

Correction: NPD has the data but can't make it available, as it's retailer-specific.

[Cerveza mas fina]

My guess: under 500k

[Joe Molotov]

A pretty bold guess.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

there is no way it sold more than 20k

[Great Rumbler]

there is no way it sold more than 20k

Every copy that NoA printed ended up being sold, but I don't think anyone really knows how many they printed. However:

According to Gamasutra, it was the fourth best-selling game in the UK during its first week. Investment banking firm Piper Jaffray estimated it to be one of the best-selling games in the United States during the month of April 2012, along with Mass Effect 3 and Prototype 2.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Yeah it still didnt sell more then 500k in the us probs, come on.

[Huff]

No shit lager

[Shaka Khan]

I personally think selling out on GS' website and every store in a 100 miles radius, and selling new copies for $100+, used for $80+ by non-GS retailers/eBay sellers meant someone cares, and more importantly it met Nintendo's projected sales, but WHAT DO I KNOW?

[Momo]

X - care
Yoshi - have never cared, never will
Fire Emblem - care
SMT - care
FE vs SMT - idontknowwhattothink.gif

[Cerveza mas fina]

I sincerely doubt it sold more than 500k.  It's not a Yoshi or Kirby game, after all.  Is 500k the number you've arbitrarily decided to be the 'gamers care' line, Lager?

Yeah I guess, then again Uncharted didn't even chart at first 

Do you know what it did outside of the US Oscar?

I personally think selling out on GS' website and every store in a 100 miles radius, and selling new copies for $100+, used for $80+ by non-GS retailers/eBay sellers meant someone cares, and more importantly it met Nintendo's projected sales, but WHAT DO I KNOW?

Panzer Dragoon Saga sold out as well.

[Phoenix Dark]

All those games seem like niche stuff for the western audience. And Pikminhas won't sell hardware either

A quick Mario Kart tho? Seems like that and a price cut could turn things around

[Shaka Khan]

What was the last Yoshi game, the one on the DS? If so do you think the platform and market conditions would allow it to repeat that success, even a softer one?