Sales Bore | Media Create And Other Sale Numbers |OT|

[maxy]

I means that people think that games are supposed to be free.

Why pay when you can download everything for free.

/anecdotal evidence

[archnemesis]

It means I probably won't buy any other iOS game next year besides DQ1.

[maxy]

Japan news

Media Create Sales: Week 50, 2013 (Dec 09 - Dec 15)

01./00. [3DS] PazuDora Z: Puzzle & Dragons Z <RPG> (GungHo Online Entertainment) {2013.12.12} (¥4.400) - 543.630 / NEW
02./03. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2013.10.12} (¥4.800) - 159.244 / 3.360.163 (+42%)
03./07. [WIU] Super Mario 3D World <ACT> (Nintendo) {2013.11.21} (¥5.985) - 57.862 / 241.107 (+32%)
04./00. [PS3] Nobunaga's Ambition: Creativity # <SLG> (Koei Tecmo) {2013.12.12} (¥9.240) - 54.590 / NEW
05./04. [3DS] Attack on Titan: The Last Wings of Mankind <ACT> (Spike Chunsoft) {2013.12.05} (¥6.090) - 42.311 / 135.782 (-55%)
06./00. [PS3] Call of Duty: Ghosts - Dubbed Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2013.12.12} (¥7.980) - 37.519 / NEW
07./01. [PS3] Gran Turismo 6 # <RCE> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2013.12.05} (¥6.980) - 37.306 / 242.090 (-82%)
08./05. [3DS] Inazuma Eleven Go Galaxy: Big Bang / Supernova <RPG> (Level 5) {2013.12.05} (¥5.500) - 30.517 / 122.160 (-67%)
09./11. [3DS] Monster Hunter 4 # <ACT> (Capcom) {2013.09.14} (¥5.990) - 27.921 / 3.030.279 (+36%)
10./16. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} (¥4.800) - 26.409 / 3.522.987 (+76%)
11./17. [3DS] Friend Collection: New Life # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2013.04.18} (¥4.800) - 22.189 / 1.545.717 (+73%)
12./18. [3DS] Aikatsu! 2-nin no My Princess <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.11.21} (¥5.480) - 18.415 / 117.675 (+45%)
13./15. [3DS] One Piece: Unlimited World Red # <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.11.21} (¥5.980) - 17.906 / 141.280 (+18%)
14./00. [PS3] Dishonored: Game of the Year Edition <RPG> (Bethesda Softworks) {2013.12.12} (¥3.990) - 17.628 / 350.022
15./27. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2012.07.28} (¥4.800) - 15.128 / 2.158.254
16./14. [PS3] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2014 <SPT> (Konami) {2013.11.14} (¥7.980) - 15.058 / 243.425 (-3%)
17./29. [3DS] Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon <ACT> (Nintendo) {2013.03.20} (¥4.800) - 15.051 / 958.510
18./10. [PS3] Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII <RPG> (Square Enix) {2013.11.21} (¥7.770) - 14.837 / 373.592 (-31%)
19./12. [3DS] Hatsune Miku: Project Mirai 2 # <ACT> (Sega) {2013.11.28} (¥6.279) - 14.566 / 121.499 (-20%)
20./25. [WIU] Taiko no Tatsujin: Wii U Version! # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.11.21} (¥5.480) - 13.980 / 51.436

3DS LL   130,710
Wii U   74,903
3DS   50,846
Vita   30,440
PS3   23,959
PSP   6,475
Vita TV   5,506
Wii   1,197
Xbox 360   536

[Great Rumbler]

Dishonored sold 350k in Japan? Nice.

[Brehvolution]

01./00. [3DS] PazuDora Z: Puzzle & Dragons Z <RPG> (GungHo Online Entertainment)

Poor Fragamemnon

[Tasty]

Mario not doing too bad all things considered. Wii U pretty well too.

[Bebpo]

Holy fucking shit at Puzzles & Dragons.


Yep, Japan gaming has moved to the mobile.  Those are insane numbers that almost no games on the planet sees outside Pokemon and a few others.  I fully expect everyone to go mobile and then port the bigger selling games to 3DS and its successor for the next 10 years.

[bork]

Holy fucking shit at Puzzles & Dragons.


Yep, Japan gaming has moved to the mobile.  Those are insane numbers that almost no games on the planet sees outside Pokemon and a few others.  I fully expect everyone to go mobile and then port the bigger selling games to 3DS and its successor for the next 10 years.

Haven't the charts been dominated by DS, PSP (Monster Hunter), and 3DS for like 10 years already?

[magus]

Holy fucking shit at Puzzles & Dragons.


Yep, Japan gaming has moved to the mobile.  Those are insane numbers that almost no games on the planet sees outside Pokemon and a few others.  I fully expect everyone to go mobile and then port the bigger selling games to 3DS and its successor for the next 10 years.

i told you to play the game and you still haven't done it

to be honest i'm kinda disappointed to see it doing only half a million,i was hoping it would sell like MH4 and pokemon

[Cerveza mas fina]

Holy fucking shit at Puzzles & Dragons.


Yep, Japan gaming has moved to the mobile.  Those are insane numbers that almost no games on the planet sees outside Pokemon and a few others.  I fully expect everyone to go mobile and then port the bigger selling games to 3DS and its successor for the next 10 years.

i told you to play the game and you still haven't done it

to be honest i'm kinda disappointed to see it doing only half a million,i was hoping it would sell like MH4 and pokemon

Its cause everyone is playing it on mobile, handhelds are getting obsolete even in Japan.

[chronovore]

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Nintendo is a toy company, they will do fine if they close the home console market and focus only on handhelds.

Hell, if they close handheld market as well they can make Pokemon toys.

This would actually be a great time for nintendo to grow, if they released pokemon on phones with some iap.

Kosma, sometimes it's hard to tell if you're trolling, or just willingly exposing ignorance.

Nintendo and Apple are basically hardware vendors with desirable software. Apple licensed MacOS for Mac compatible computers for a couple years; it hurt them. Nintendo basically created the original PlayStation with Sony, and then backed out at the last possible minute to avoid losing any of their exclusive rights by sharing hardware with another manufacturer. Nintendo is never going to put their software on anyone else's hardware.

Ever.

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Everrrrrr.

[close]

Its cause everyone is playing it on mobile, handhelds are getting obsolete even in Japan.

See, like this!

[Cerveza mas fina]

Is it ignorant of me to think Nintendo would make more money with pokemon on mobile or arrogant of Nintendo not to do it?

The Mobile games category was the big winner with $266 million, up 14 percent over last month and 52 percent over last year. Mobile publisher King has filed for an initial public offering and added Pet Rescue Saga to its list of top-grossing games on iOS. Pet Rescue Saga generated $360,000 per day, while Candy Crush Saga brought in $850,000 per day.

[Tasty]

Probably. Pokemon regularly sells 5-10 million each game at $40 a pop. Even the most lucrative IAP pap is chump change in comparison.

[The Sceneman]

Uh, at it's heyday Clash of Clans was collecting $2.5 million a day... chump change my ass

[Damian79]

What they should do is sell pokemon on the ios and charge money for each pokemon if they dont want to get it the normal way.  They would make more money than selling pokemon on the 3ds.

[Great Rumbler]

I don't understand Candy Crush.

[Positive Touch]

candy crush is a pretty fun game

[Tasty]

Probably. Pokemon regularly sells 5-10 million each game at $40 a pop. Even the most lucrative IAP pap is chump change in comparison.

Actually, Candy Crush is probably closing in on the low end of Pokemon software profits, I'd think.  It's been out a year, so if it's averaging $850,000 per day, that's over $300 mill.  Nintendo doesn't get the full $40 of each Pokemon sold, so they probably haven't pulled much more than that with recent Pokemon games.  I suspect Candy Crush is nowhere near finished its reign of terror either, so it'll probably end up making more money than the recent Pokemon releases quite handily.

But that's neither here nor there.  Pointing to Candy Crush Saga and saying "Look!  It's so simple, just do that!" is like pointing at GTA5, Call of Duty, or hell, even Pokemon itself and saying the same.  Markets shouldn't be judged by the outliers.  It's possible Nintendo could make more money on mobile, but it's equally possible that they wouldn't, I feel.  The mobile market is a very different animal from the traditional console business, which is why the old Japanese game companies are having so much trouble cracking it, while upstarts are making money hand over fist.

I doubt it was making anywhere near $850k/day for a while after it came out, though.

My overall point is that Nintendo can still price at $40 games and sell millions of copies. No single iOS/Android game dev is afforded that luxury, and so the most lucrative games on those platforms are an IAP+spam sandwich of fail and negative psychological exploitation. It's very reminiscent of the Facebook game fad, although thankfully that didn't have any staying power. We can only hope the same is true of "free*" games on iOS and Android, otherwise, pop pop pop.

[Great Rumbler]

All video games are psychological exploitation, Andy, and there's no such thing as positive exploitation.

IAP is still the spawn of Satan, though.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Puzzle and Dragon makes $100 million in profit per month.

[The Sceneman]

Yeah, but Pokemon games sell 5-10 million copies. PAD's IAP revenue is chump change in comparison.

[Tasty]

All video games are psychological exploitation, Andy, and there's no such thing as positive exploitation.

I worked at a company that used the term "wales" in regular feature planning meetings. Games can definitely exploit people in an aggressive way, something you yourself have warned against on this very forum so I don't know why you're finger wagging me except to try and rake in likes.

[Raban]

All video games are psychological exploitation, Andy, and there's no such thing as positive exploitation.

I worked at a company that used the term "wales" in regular feature planning meetings. Games can definitely exploit people in an aggressive way, something you yourself have warned against on this very forum so I don't know why you're finger wagging me except to try and rake in likes.

[Tasty]

Don't be embarrassed Oscar, I do it too.

[Van Cruncheon]

it's "whales" you poultroon

[The Sceneman]

 

[Tasty]

That post is gonna get so many likes.

[Tasty]

Also, I get that by nature game design is meant to be addictive. It's a positive feedback loop. But there's a difference between paying once and playing an addictive game, and playing an addictive game that incentivizes you to keep paying.

And I know you've agreed with that before so you're probably doing your contrarian thing again, so go right ahead, I know you agree anyways.

[Purple Filth]

Oh, and farming for Likes by backing Candy Crush on a traditional gaming message board?  That's the kind of plan I'd expect a Nintendo/Google fan to come up with: a loser plan.

And Oscar comes out swinging once again.


Also my mom actually told me about the existence of Candy Crush since she's been playing it alot  :'(

[tiesto]

My girlfriend is a Candy Crush addict  seems to me the whole game is nothing more than Bejeweled with IAP up the ass (luckily my gf doesn't fall into the IAP trap).

[pilonv1]

My girlfriend is a Candy Crush addict 

Sounds like she has more long term potential than the Mass Effect fan

[Human Snorenado]

If you think video games are bad, TCGs (trading card games, like Magic or... Pokemans) are the WORST. It's basically socially acceptable scratch off tickets for minors- every 8th pack has a mythic rare or whatever they're called in it!  Just buy 8 packs! Better yet, just buy a box and get 4 of em...

[Cerveza mas fina]

Its really suprising they havent been banned yet in some countries.

[Cerveza mas fina]

But that's neither here nor there.  Pointing to Candy Crush Saga and saying "Look!  It's so simple, just do that!" is like pointing at GTA5, Call of Duty, or hell, even Pokemon itself and saying the same.  Markets shouldn't be judged by the outliers.  It's possible Nintendo could make more money on mobile, but it's equally possible that they wouldn't, I feel.  The mobile market is a very different animal from the traditional console business, which is why the old Japanese game companies are having so much trouble cracking it, while upstarts are making money hand over fist.

Sure its not certain but im sure they could leverage a lot of their fans.

They could also offer it next to their handheld pokemons and see how the split looks.

[archie4208]

If you think video games are bad, TCGs (trading card games, like Magic or... Pokemans) are the WORST. It's basically socially acceptable scratch off tickets for minors- every 8th pack has a mythic rare or whatever they're called in it!  Just buy 8 packs! Better yet, just buy a box and get 4 of em...

Hey you just described every recent Valve game.

"Spend $2.50 to open this chest!  There's a 99.9% chance you'll get worthless junk, but what if you do hit the $5000 jackpot?"

Thankfully those games deal solely in cosmetics that don't affect gameplay.

Its really suprising they havent been banned yet in some countries.

The Chinese version of Dota 2 banned the gacha key and chest system.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Whats Haram?

I dont think its a stretch to say this is worse then actual gambling, cause in gambling you can win money. Kids growing up with iap and these kind of chests will have their tiny brain wired forever.

[Damian79]

But that's neither here nor there.  Pointing to Candy Crush Saga and saying "Look!  It's so simple, just do that!" is like pointing at GTA5, Call of Duty, or hell, even Pokemon itself and saying the same.  Markets shouldn't be judged by the outliers.  It's possible Nintendo could make more money on mobile, but it's equally possible that they wouldn't, I feel.  The mobile market is a very different animal from the traditional console business, which is why the old Japanese game companies are having so much trouble cracking it, while upstarts are making money hand over fist.

Sure its not certain but im sure they could leverage a lot of their fans.

They could also offer it next to their handheld pokemons and see how the split looks.

I am not sure there are any real pokemon fans out there.  It is a gift giving game.  People buy pokemon for their kids or relatives.  You lose interest in pokemon after the second version you play of it because they are the same exact game gameplay wise for the most part.

[Tasty]

There's a huge Pokemon following not limited to children out there. I wouldn't have believed that myself but jesus christ I've seen it.

[Rufus]

There's a huge Pokemon following not limited to children out there. I wouldn't have believed that myself but jesus christ I've seen it.

[tiesto]

My girlfriend is a Candy Crush addict 

Sounds like she has more long term potential than the Mass Effect fan

Well, she's not a crazy libertarian, so that's a start!

[Tasty]

Man you shoulda seen my college when Soul Silver came out, it was exactly like that last panel. Looked like everyone had a Pokewalker for like two weeks.

[Tasty]

(Remakes of Gold/Silver specifically are probably a special case though. I doubt such a situation would occur again.)

[Great Rumbler]

[Tasty]

Actually I had no real friends during my two years at college, lol. Was just an observation. Actually, I think only two of my friends picked the remakes up.

[Rufus]

There's a huge Pokemon following not limited to children out there. I wouldn't have believed that myself but jesus christ I've seen it.

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this picture is pathetic. It isn't like everyone starts playing Pokemon like you're in second grade again. It's that there are enough neckbeards around to play Pokemon with and the jocks are too busy fratting it up to make fun of them like they used to.

Yup.

Side note: did we honestly kill that picture? I should have re-hosted it on Imgur...

[cool breeze]

this picture is pathetic. It isn't like everyone starts playing Pokemon like you're in second grade again. It's that there are enough neckbeards around to play Pokemon with and the jocks are too busy fratting it up to make fun of them like they used to.

fratting it up occasionally meant playing mario kart 64 

[Rufus]

idk i didnt quote it cause the art was so annoying though 

Oh, I see. I thought we had somehow sucked up all her bandwidth. I didn't scroll up back to my post to check.

[Cerveza mas fina]

http://blog.es.playstation.com/2013/...nos-de-un-mes/

PS4-XBOne ratio in Spain 4.8:1
~28k XBone in Spain.

December 10th was 80k PS4 and 23k XBOne

54k PS4 sold in ~12 days
5k XBOne sold in ~ 12 days.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Seems ratio would be higher if PS4 wasnt supply constrained

[tiesto]

[maxy]

Media Create Sales: Week 51, 2013 (Dec 16 - Dec 22)

01./01. [3DS] PazuDora Z: Puzzle & Dragons Z <RPG> (GungHo Online Entertainment) {2013.12.12} (¥4.400) - 256.373 / 800.003 (-53%)
02./02. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2013.10.12} (¥4.800) - 212.666 / 3.572.829 (+34%)
03./00. [PS3] New Dynasty Warriors: Gundam <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.12.19} (¥7.980) - 126.019 / NEW
04./00. [PS3] Drakengard 3 <RPG> (Square Enix) {2013.12.19} (¥7.980) - 114.024 / NEW
05./03. [WIU] Super Mario 3D World <ACT> (Nintendo) {2013.11.21} (¥5.985) - 86.408 / 327.514 (+49%)
06./00. [PSV] New Dynasty Warriors: Gundam <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.12.19} (¥6.980) - 52.667 / NEW
07./10. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} (¥4.800) - 41.137 / 3.564.124 (+56%)
08./11. [3DS] Friend Collection: New Life # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2013.04.18} (¥4.800) - 38.405 / 1.584.122 (+73%)
09./09. [3DS] Monster Hunter 4 # <ACT> (Capcom) {2013.09.14} (¥5.990) - 37.034 / 3.067.313 (+33%)
10./08. [3DS] Inazuma Eleven Go Galaxy: Big Bang / Supernova <RPG> (Level 5) {2013.12.05} (¥5.500) - 33.328 / 155.488 (+9%)
11./05. [3DS] Attack on Titan: The Last Wings of Mankind <ACT> (Spike Chunsoft) {2013.12.05} (¥6.090) - 30.363 / 166.145 (-28%)
12./12. [3DS] Aikatsu! 2-nin no My Princess <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.11.21} (¥5.480) - 29.223 / 146.898 (+59%)
13./14. [3DS] Disney Magic Castle: My Happy Life # <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.08.01} (¥5.480) - 28.562 / 378.584 (+62%)
14./13. [3DS] One Piece: Unlimited World Red # <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.11.21} (¥5.980) - 28.108 / 169.388 (+57%)
15./17. [3DS] Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon <ACT> (Nintendo) {2013.03.20} (¥4.800) - 26.931 / 985.442 (+79%)
16./00. [PSV] Gekijouban Puella Magi Madoka Magica: The Battle Pentagram # <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.12.19} (¥5.980) - 26.363 / NEW
17./21. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2011.12.01} (¥4.800) - 25.082 / 2.205.807
18./22. [3DS] Battle For Money Sentouchuu: Densetsu no Shinobi no Survival Battle! <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.10.17} (¥4.980) - 24.842 / 158.239
19./15. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2012.07.28} (¥4.800) - 24.154 / 2.182.408 (+60%)
20./23. [WIU] Wii Party U <ETC> (Nintendo) {2013.10.31} (¥4.935) - 23.972 / 119.100

WiiU YTD>PS3 YTD

Nintendo 

Sony 

[DCharlieJP]

three weeks of good xmas sales and apparently the WiiU is in BEAST MODE?

jesus.

[Shaka Khan]

DC getting all sweaty

[MCD]

Good news for the industry.

[DCharlieJP]

It's so weird how often DC replies on the Bore to people who aren't here.  Keep it in the GAF thread!

No!

I expect the air will come out completely once the holidays are up. 

I certainly don't expect a sustained recovery - just looks like little choice as you say: 3DS still did well but a lot of people already have it, and the WiiU has a banner title in Mario. But once we get into the new year? Sales are going to come crashing down across the board. God help PS4 and all who sail in her.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Some snippets from the UK.

Seems PS4 is off to a better start then the Xbone.

04 (02) 360 FIFA 14 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
 05 (05) PS4 FIFA 14 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
 12 (09) PS3 FIFA 14 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
 15 (16) XBO FIFA 14 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
 
01 (01) 360 CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
 10 (08) PS3 CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
 14 (15) PS4 CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
 18 (18) XBO CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
 
02 (03) 360 ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT)
 07 (12) PS3 ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT)
 24 (22) PS4 ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT)
 39 (__) XBO ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT)
 
09 (13) 360 BATTLEFIELD 4 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
 17 (19) PS4 BATTLEFIELD 4 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
 19 (28) XBO BATTLEFIELD 4 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
 22 (21) PS3 BATTLEFIELD 4 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
 
16 (20) 360 NEED FOR SPEED: RIVALS (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
 25 (25) PS3 NEED FOR SPEED: RIVALS (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
 29 (29) PS4 NEED FOR SPEED: RIVALS (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
 >40 (__) XBO NEED FOR SPEED: RIVALS (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
 
20 (14) 360 LEGO MARVEL SUPER HEROES (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE)
 37 (39) PS4 LEGO MARVEL SUPER HEROES (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE)
 38 (23) PS3 LEGO MARVEL SUPER HEROES (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE)
 >40 (__) XBO LEGO MARVEL SUPER HEROES (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE)

[Cerveza mas fina]

fumes

[Takao]

i can't wait for knack sports, racing with knack, knack rpg, knack fps, and knack for fighting

[Phoenix Dark]

can't wait for Knack & Jak and Daxter

[cool breeze]

i hope when knack 2 happens it's outsourced to spark unlimited or nintendo or some third party.