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Re: MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|
« Reply #600 on: March 19, 2012, 08:24:29 PM »
How about a black screen that says
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"Shepard dies, fuck you all. GAME OVER."
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But seriously, I don't think they should change the ending. It is what it is, and can you imagine how insufferable fanboys will be whenever there is something they don't like? "But Bioware gave us what we wanted! You best do the same, kind sirs!" Best to keep pandora's box closed.
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Re: MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|
« Reply #601 on: March 19, 2012, 08:34:03 PM »
I'm loving these tears

all I know is when I play ME3, I'm fucking the shit out of Miranda.  And I'll love it.
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Re: MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|
« Reply #602 on: March 19, 2012, 08:35:28 PM »
I'm loving these tears

all I know is when I play ME3, I'm fucking the shit out of Miranda.  And I'll love it.

Nevermind. You can totally fuck the shit out of her.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2012, 08:39:52 PM by Mr. Gundam »
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Re: MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|
« Reply #603 on: March 19, 2012, 08:38:48 PM »
I checked the Mass Effect wiki, you can.
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Re: MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|
« Reply #604 on: March 19, 2012, 08:42:19 PM »
I will laugh out loud when Bioware reveals that the ME3 ending was really Reaper indoctrination all along.
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Re: MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|
« Reply #605 on: March 19, 2012, 08:58:51 PM »
i've clocked twenty hours into the game so far and i've only done eight of the twenty-seven missions (on insanity, bitches).  i do every sidequest as it becomes available, and i check every new solar system for every item.  i have an 80% overall readiness rating.  i even got the datapad app AND the shitty ios game.  i don't care if the ending is gonna be stupid and nonsensical because I LOVE MASS EFFECT
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« Reply #606 on: March 19, 2012, 09:52:41 PM »
i dont know why anyone would play this on xbox. the way they have you swap discs sounds like the worst fucking shit ever.
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« Reply #607 on: March 19, 2012, 10:07:22 PM »
Quote
Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/02/28/mass-effect-3-mac-walters/

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://business.financialpost.com/2012/03/05/qa-mass-effect-3s-mac-walters-on-how-the-game-tries-to-reach-all-audiences/

“I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think
one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are
optimal for different people “


Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/334598/interviews/mass-effect-3-weve-brought-back-a-lot-of-what-was-missing-in-me2/

“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as
much as we are anyway.”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.360magazine.co.uk/interview/mass-effect-3-has-many-different-endings/

There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t
say any more than that…”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-02-02-bioware-mass-effect-3-ending-will-make-some-people-angry

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the
architect of what happens."


“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless
of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide
some answers to these people.”

“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being
brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they
got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was
because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you
didn't make”


Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/04/28/casey-hudson-interview-mass-effect-3.aspx

“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the
universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in
Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different
based on what you would do in those situations.”


Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://venturebeat.com/2012/03/02/casey-hudson-bioware-co-created-mass-effect-3-with-the-sometimes-cranky-fans-interview/

“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get
some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the
lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers,
being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an
end.”

Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”
Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with
the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”


Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/01/10/mass1525-effect-3-cas5ey-fdsafdhudson-interviewae.aspx?PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that
same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”
Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to
build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about
eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is
coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot
more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many
decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that
stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings,
where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got
ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and
variety in them.”


“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player
decide what your story is.”



Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1027650/mass_effect_3_reapers_can_win_bioware.html

Mass Effect 3 will shake up the player's moral choices more than ever
before, even going so far as allowing the Reapers to win the battle
for Earth, according to BioWare's community representative Mike
Gamble.


In an inteview with NowGamer at Gamescom, we asked if BioWare was taking risks with Mass Effect 3's
plot, including a negative ending in which the Reapers win. Gamble simply said, "Yes". We asked him again to confirm what he had just said and he said, "Yes".


Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer.com/features/1229983/mass_effect_3_developer_interview_shepard_coop_story_details.html


"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing"


Casey Hudson (Director)
http://gamescatalyst.com/2012/03/casey-hudson-kinect-the-future-of-interactive-stories/

“The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and
the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all
of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to
live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.”

Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/336331/interviews/mass-effect-3-we-cant-go-on-holiday-our-dlc-is-really-good/?page=2

“There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And
even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to
some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending
where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things
- it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the
final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who
plays it.”

And they said all of that with a straight face. Some of those quotes were made just days before the release of the game.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2012, 10:09:59 PM by Great Rumbler »
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Re: MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|
« Reply #608 on: March 19, 2012, 10:20:55 PM »
i dont know why anyone would play this on xbox. the way they have you swap discs sounds like the worst fucking shit ever.
It's a 30-40 hr game and you have to switch discs twice. That's it. Stop trying to find nonsense to complain about.

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Re: MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|
« Reply #609 on: March 19, 2012, 10:26:26 PM »
i dont know why anyone would play this on xbox. the way they have you swap discs sounds like the worst fucking shit ever.
It's a 30-40 hr game and you have to switch discs twice. That's it. Stop trying to find nonsense to complain about.

having to switch the disc anytime you want to do a side mission doesn't sound like "twice" to me. also I did literally everything int he game in 25 hours. nice try nerd.
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Re: MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|
« Reply #610 on: March 19, 2012, 11:06:31 PM »
All right, time for me to join in.

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The ending sucks.   There shouldn't really be any Stoney-esque "I thought it was fine" bs.  You can say that the ending "didn't bother you", but you can't argue that, in and of itself, it was a good, coherent, ending.

I'm not quite in the GR and Green Man camp of raging about it, though.

Also, I never read any of the spoilers in this thread in advance, but holy crap, I made the Deus Ex comparison on my own right away, so it's funny to see I'm far from the only one.

But, the comparison to the end of Deus Ex does not do any favours to ME3.

For one thing, the three endings of Deus Ex aren't simply levers that you pull.  You actually have to work towards the ending you choose in Deus Ex, so the final level plays out differently according to what you are trying to accomplish.

Whereas ME3 has a DX:HR-esque "okay, you've reached the end, now push one of these three buttons for the different endings."

That alone is bullshit.


But in addition to that, the Deus Ex choices logically followed the game.  The three choices pretty much represented the competing forces you had been torn between throughout the whole game.  None of them were black and white, but you chose the one that you best fit with.

ME3?  One of the options was to control the Reapers, which comes right after you spent a five-minute dialog/cutscene arguing with and ridiculing The Illusive Man for wanting to do exactly that.  What.  The.  Fuck.

Synthesis was generic new-agey crap that made no sense.    And blowing up the Reapers was exactly what the game was supposed to be about, so of course that was my first choice.  But it still doesn't make sense that you shoot at some tubes to destroy the Conduit, which kills the Reapers, when the game has you believe that, umm, the whole purpose of the Conduit was to destroy the Reapers.  So, to kill the Reapers, you have to shoot and sabotage the weapon that was designed to kill the Reapers?  Riiiiight.


And none of that even touches on the Catalyst/kid/God himself.

It doesn't necessarily bother me that there was some "Force/being" behind the Reapers.  But if you're going to have a reveal like that, at least explain it and have it make a lick of gawdamned sense, please.  Every conversation you have with a Reaper in the series has a real sense of gravitas and awe to it.  So if you're going to have some-*thing* beyond the Reapers, you have to be able to outdo even that.  And they failed miserably.  So they shouldn't have even tried.

I think a sappy "here's what everyone is doing now" or Ewok-campfire-party-on-Endor is not necessarily the right fit, but anything's better than what they did.  End it with the convo between Shepard and Anderson sitting down, then the clips of the red energy wave killing the Reapers with the soldiers celebrating as they fall.  The end. 

More than anything else, it's disappointing that they clearly completely winged the ending.  They pitched this series as a fully-conceptualized trilogy, and if that were actually the case, you would have thought they would have contemplated the ending before, oh, fall 2011.  You don't have to JMS-levels of arc-planning, but having a rough idea where the story is fucking going would have been nice.

end rant.

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That being said, the ending shouldn't be changed.  The horses have left the barn on that one.  You can't make people forget what they originally came up with on their own.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2012, 11:08:02 PM by Boogie »
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Re: MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|
« Reply #611 on: March 19, 2012, 11:25:05 PM »
its fine in that its a videogame story and I never expected much of it to begin with- the story in 2 wasnt great, and it wasnt awesome in the first game either.
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« Reply #612 on: March 19, 2012, 11:50:02 PM »
The endings of ME1 and ME2 still gave you some input in the way things turned out, ME3 gives you 3 palette swaps of the same vague ending.
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Re: MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|
« Reply #613 on: March 19, 2012, 11:59:55 PM »
Quote
Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/02/28/mass-effect-3-mac-walters/

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://business.financialpost.com/2012/03/05/qa-mass-effect-3s-mac-walters-on-how-the-game-tries-to-reach-all-audiences/

“I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think
one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are
optimal for different people “


Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/334598/interviews/mass-effect-3-weve-brought-back-a-lot-of-what-was-missing-in-me2/

“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as
much as we are anyway.”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.360magazine.co.uk/interview/mass-effect-3-has-many-different-endings/

There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t
say any more than that…”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-02-02-bioware-mass-effect-3-ending-will-make-some-people-angry

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the
architect of what happens."


“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless
of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide
some answers to these people.”

“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being
brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they
got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was
because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you
didn't make”


Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/04/28/casey-hudson-interview-mass-effect-3.aspx

“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the
universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in
Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different
based on what you would do in those situations.”


Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://venturebeat.com/2012/03/02/casey-hudson-bioware-co-created-mass-effect-3-with-the-sometimes-cranky-fans-interview/

“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get
some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the
lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers,
being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an
end.”

Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”
Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with
the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”


Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/01/10/mass1525-effect-3-cas5ey-fdsafdhudson-interviewae.aspx?PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that
same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”
Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to
build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about
eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is
coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot
more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many
decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that
stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings,
where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got
ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and
variety in them.”


“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player
decide what your story is.”



Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1027650/mass_effect_3_reapers_can_win_bioware.html

Mass Effect 3 will shake up the player's moral choices more than ever
before, even going so far as allowing the Reapers to win the battle
for Earth, according to BioWare's community representative Mike
Gamble.


In an inteview with NowGamer at Gamescom, we asked if BioWare was taking risks with Mass Effect 3's
plot, including a negative ending in which the Reapers win. Gamble simply said, "Yes". We asked him again to confirm what he had just said and he said, "Yes".


Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer.com/features/1229983/mass_effect_3_developer_interview_shepard_coop_story_details.html


"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing"


Casey Hudson (Director)
http://gamescatalyst.com/2012/03/casey-hudson-kinect-the-future-of-interactive-stories/

“The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and
the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all
of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to
live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.”

Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/336331/interviews/mass-effect-3-we-cant-go-on-holiday-our-dlc-is-really-good/?page=2

“There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And
even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to
some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending
where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things
- it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the
final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who
plays it.”

And they said all of that with a straight face. Some of those quotes were made just days before the release of the game.

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Re: MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|
« Reply #614 on: March 20, 2012, 12:00:39 AM »
awesome thing in the game was

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Tali suicide if you choose geth. OWNED
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« Reply #615 on: March 20, 2012, 12:04:42 AM »
You got trolled. Fucking hard. In the ass.

Which is why Bioware deserved to have the whole thing blow up in their face.
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« Reply #616 on: March 20, 2012, 12:04:53 AM »
i choose that and that didn't happen  ???
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Re: MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|
« Reply #617 on: March 20, 2012, 12:08:11 AM »
awesome thing in the game was

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Tali suicide if you choose geth. OWNED
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Wow. What does she do? I chose to wipe out the Geth.
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Re: MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|
« Reply #618 on: March 20, 2012, 12:09:42 AM »
awesome thing in the game was

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Tali suicide if you choose geth. OWNED
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Wow. What does she do? I chose to wipe out the Geth.
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Tali has a sad and then jumps off a cliff.
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« Reply #619 on: March 20, 2012, 12:11:03 AM »
WTF why didn't that happen for me

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I choose the geth but she was fine with it wtfff
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« Reply #620 on: March 20, 2012, 12:11:09 AM »
Oh yeah...

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Was I supposed to give a fuck who Kai Leng is? It seemed like his reveal was supposed to have an impact on me, but it was just "oh it's a bad guy with a sword."
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Re: MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|
« Reply #621 on: March 20, 2012, 12:13:03 AM »
i dont know why anyone would play this on xbox. the way they have you swap discs sounds like the worst fucking shit ever.
It's a 30-40 hr game and you have to switch discs twice. That's it. Stop trying to find nonsense to complain about.

having to switch the disc anytime you want to do a side mission doesn't sound like "twice" to me. also I did literally everything int he game in 25 hours. nice try nerd.
Where are you getting this bullshit from? Why am I trying to have a serious discussion with you?

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« Reply #622 on: March 20, 2012, 12:13:59 AM »
WTF why didn't that happen for me

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I choose the geth but she was fine with it wtfff
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If she survived the suicide mission, Tali meets Shepard when the quarians ask for the Normandy's help in retaking Rannoch. Due to her having the most experience with geth, she has been made a member of the Admiralty Board in place of her father.
If Shepard chooses the geth over the quarians, Tali sobs as she witnesses the entirety of the Migrant Fleet crash and burn up in the Rannoch atmosphere, removes her mask, and commits suicide by throwing herself off a cliff. A Paragon interrupt is placed during the suicide, but it won't affect the outcome.

If Shepard chooses the quarians or peace is made between quarians and geth, Tali decides to rejoin the Normandy, knowing that she'd be fighting for her homeworld. But first, she takes off her mask to see the sunset.
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Re: MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|
« Reply #623 on: March 20, 2012, 12:16:02 AM »
i dont know why anyone would play this on xbox. the way they have you swap discs sounds like the worst fucking shit ever.
It's a 30-40 hr game and you have to switch discs twice. That's it. Stop trying to find nonsense to complain about.

having to switch the disc anytime you want to do a side mission doesn't sound like "twice" to me. also I did literally everything int he game in 25 hours. nice try nerd.
Where are you getting this bullshit from? Why am I trying to have a serious discussion with you?

bullshit wha??  i have to swap to disc 2 every time i do a side mission, then back do disk 1 every time i do a "priority" mission.  and i have both discs installed
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« Reply #624 on: March 20, 2012, 12:16:43 AM »
ah I got that last one. i never got to see her face tho did u have to romance her or somethin
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« Reply #625 on: March 20, 2012, 12:18:03 AM »
Oh yeah...

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Was I supposed to give a fuck who Kai Leng is? It seemed like his reveal was supposed to have an impact on me, but it was just "oh it's a bad guy with a sword."
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He was the white ranger- duh
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« Reply #626 on: March 20, 2012, 12:19:53 AM »
i dont know why anyone would play this on xbox. the way they have you swap discs sounds like the worst fucking shit ever.
It's a 30-40 hr game and you have to switch discs twice. That's it. Stop trying to find nonsense to complain about.

having to switch the disc anytime you want to do a side mission doesn't sound like "twice" to me. also I did literally everything int he game in 25 hours. nice try nerd.
Where are you getting this bullshit from? Why am I trying to have a serious discussion with you?

bullshit wha??  i have to swap to disc 2 every time i do a side mission, then back do disk 1 every time i do a "priority" mission.  and i have both discs installed

looks like that xbot just got annihaalted

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Re: MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|
« Reply #627 on: March 20, 2012, 12:21:40 AM »
Oh yeah...

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Was I supposed to give a fuck who Kai Leng is? It seemed like his reveal was supposed to have an impact on me, but it was just "oh it's a bad guy with a sword."
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He was in the Mass Effect books.
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« Reply #628 on: March 20, 2012, 12:43:04 AM »
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Wilkie Collins, a close friend and author of The Woman in White, objected to the not-happy ending Dickens first wrote for Great Expectations; Estella has remarried and Pip remains single. Dickens then wrote a more conventional ending, which suggests that Pip and Estella will marry. Writing to friends about the revised ending, Dickens seems positive: "I have put in as pretty a little piece of writing as I could, and I have no doubt the story will be more acceptable through the alteration" and "Upon the whole I think it is for the better."

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« Reply #629 on: March 20, 2012, 01:57:52 AM »
Swapping discs only occurs if you try to do the sidequests very early. First two priority missions or so plus the final mission are on disc 1 while everything is on disc 2.

tl;dr disc 2 is the one you will spend most of the time on.
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« Reply #630 on: March 20, 2012, 02:05:50 AM »
still, they can install shit to consoles now- wtf
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« Reply #631 on: March 20, 2012, 02:23:46 AM »
i dont know why anyone would play this on xbox. the way they have you swap discs sounds like the worst fucking shit ever.
It's a 30-40 hr game and you have to switch discs twice. That's it. Stop trying to find nonsense to complain about.

having to switch the disc anytime you want to do a side mission doesn't sound like "twice" to me. also I did literally everything int he game in 25 hours. nice try nerd.
Where are you getting this bullshit from? Why am I trying to have a serious discussion with you?

bullshit wha??  i have to swap to disc 2 every time i do a side mission, then back do disk 1 every time i do a "priority" mission.  and i have both discs installed
I had to switch to disc 2 early on whenever I did my first side mission. I never had to switch back to disc 1 until I started to the final FINAL mission. I never had to switch back before that. All my side and priority missions were done on disc 2.
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« Reply #632 on: March 20, 2012, 03:03:47 AM »
Anywho, the one true reason why ME2 is better than ME3:


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« Reply #633 on: March 20, 2012, 03:12:59 AM »
watched the ending, haven't really seen any other Mass Effect-related content. but it looked like a rather tepid attempt at doing a "mindfuck" kind of ending.

i doubt that someone capable of writing something like

"But we also recognize that some of our most passionate fans needed more closure, more answers, and more time to say goodbye to their stories—and these comments are equally valid. Player feedback such as this has always been an essential ingredient in the development of the series."

"So where do we go from here? Throughout the next year, we will support Mass Effect 3 by working on new content. And we’ll keep listening, because your insights and constructive feedback will help determine what that content should be. This is not the last you’ll hear of Commander Shepard. We look forward to your continued support and involvement as we work together to shape the remaining experiences in the story of the Mass Effect trilogy."

in response to criticism would be capable of actually doing a good mindfuck ending, though. i mean, imagine david lynch promising to provide more closure for everyone's remaining questions about twin peaks through dlc.
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« Reply #634 on: March 20, 2012, 11:22:02 AM »
Oh yeah...

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Was I supposed to give a fuck who Kai Leng is? It seemed like his reveal was supposed to have an impact on me, but it was just "oh it's a bad guy with a sword."
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He was in the Mass Effect books.

I got that impression, but they should probably assume that not everyone has read them.
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« Reply #635 on: March 20, 2012, 11:27:55 AM »
I've done the first mission when you get off earth, the DLC mission, and the mission involving the primarch. I did a bunch of so called sidequests on the Citadel and one horde mode mission.

I am not really that into the game so far. I loved ME2, played it twice inside of a year. this game is just sort of dull. The combat scenarios are not that interesting and can sometimes be cheap. There aren't enough dialogue trees. The Citadel missions were just running back and forth doing whatever. The story based dialogue is just BOY THIS SURE IS SERIOUS BLAH BLAH with no emotional connection.

I don't let myself get big expectations for video games and shit, I went in with a blank canvas, but it just isn't working for me so far. I hope it gains an actual narrative soon.

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« Reply #636 on: March 20, 2012, 11:29:43 AM »
I liked all that.  My problem had more to do with how it was all established.  You have the reapers tearing shit up for what feels like weeks and somehow puny forces fend them off.  I would've rather had what is the beginning of Mass Effect 3 be the second half.  It's like they couldn't commit to selling the war without sacrificing planet scanning and dumb stuff.  Like the N7 missions and how Hackett is couldn't send another deal with those situations.

Agreed.

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« Reply #637 on: March 20, 2012, 06:40:45 PM »
it picks up.  agreed that the early game has way too few dialogue trees
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« Reply #638 on: March 20, 2012, 10:42:05 PM »
Just beat the game...

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« Reply #639 on: March 21, 2012, 12:25:06 PM »
For what its worth I'm enjoying Giant Bomb's discussion of the game on the podcasts. I skipped like the last three because I didn't want any spoilers but now I'm catching up. Nice to hear good articulation about the game good and bad without the internet tendency of things only being shit or best thing ever.

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TO MASS EFFECT 3 PLAYERS, FROM DR. RAY MUZYKA, CO-FOUNDER OF BIOWARE
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To Mass Effect 3 players, from Dr. Ray Muzyka, co-founder of BioWare



As co-founder and GM of BioWare, I’m very proud of the ME3 team; I personally believe Mass Effect 3 is the best work we’ve yet created. So, it’s incredibly painful to receive feedback from our core fans that the game’s endings were not up to their expectations. Our first instinct is to defend our work and point to the high ratings offered by critics – but out of respect to our fans, we need to accept the criticism and feedback with humility.

I believe passionately that games are an art form, and that the power of our medium flows from our audience, who are deeply involved in how the story unfolds, and who have the uncontested right to provide constructive criticism. At the same time, I also believe in and support the artistic choices made by the development team.  The team and I have been thinking hard about how to best address the comments on ME3’s endings from players, while still maintaining the artistic integrity of the game.

Mass Effect 3 concludes a trilogy with so much player control and ownership of the story that it was hard for us to predict the range of emotions players would feel when they finished playing through it.  The journey you undertake in Mass Effect provokes an intense range of highly personal emotions in the player; even so, the passionate reaction of some of our most loyal players to the current endings in Mass Effect 3 is something that has genuinely surprised us. This is an issue we care about deeply, and we will respond to it in a fair and timely way. We’re already working hard to do that.

To that end, since the game launched, the team has been poring over everything they can find about reactions to the game – industry press, forums, Facebook, and Twitter, just to name a few. The Mass Effect team, like other teams across the BioWare Label within EA, consists of passionate people who work hard for the love of creating experiences that excite and delight our fans.  I’m honored to work with them because they have the courage and strength to respond to constructive feedback.

Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April.  We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received.  This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue.

The reaction to the release of Mass Effect 3 has been unprecedented. On one hand, some of our loyal fans are passionately expressing their displeasure about how their game concluded; we care about this feedback, and we’re planning to directly address it. However, most folks appear to agree that the game as a whole is exceptional, with more than 75 critics giving it a perfect review score and a review average in the mid-90s. Net, I’m proud of the team, but we can and must always strive to do better.

Some of the criticism that has been delivered in the heat of passion by our most ardent fans, even if founded on valid principles, such as seeking more clarity to questions or looking for more closure, for example – has unfortunately become destructive rather than constructive. We listen and will respond to constructive criticism, but much as we will not tolerate individual attacks on our team members, we will not support or respond to destructive commentary.

If you are a Mass Effect fan and have input for the team – we respect your opinion and want to hear it. We’re committed to address your constructive feedback as best we can. In return, I’d ask that you help us do that by supporting what I truly believe is the best game BioWare has yet crafted. I urge you to do your own research: play the game, finish it and tell us what you think. Tell your friends if you feel it’s a good game as a whole. Trust that we are doing our damndest, as always, to address your feedback.  As artists, we care about our fans deeply and we appreciate your support.

Thank you for your feedback – we are listening.

Ray

http://blog.bioware.com/2012/03/21/4108/
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Re: MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|
« Reply #640 on: March 21, 2012, 12:38:49 PM »
That's a nice response, but I still don't think they should change the ending.
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Re: MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|
« Reply #641 on: March 21, 2012, 12:43:41 PM »
That's a nice response, but I still don't think they should change the ending.

I have no problem with re-edits or re-mixes or even reboots. At least over time. Or bug fixes. But yeah I'm not a fan of people remaking something to appeal to people who didn't like it, even If I happen to be a person that didn't like it. At least not without an interval of time passing. As in I don't mind game reboots because its generally years before that happens.

I wouldn't mind more context and depth and exploration to the ending I did get though. So its a fine line for me.

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« Reply #642 on: March 21, 2012, 12:48:26 PM »
I haven't listened to the latest giantbomb podcast yet, but I was surprised that Jeff's opinion is close to my own based on last week's and the review.

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« Reply #643 on: March 21, 2012, 12:56:58 PM »
I haven't listened to the latest giantbomb podcast yet, but I was surprised that Jeff's opinion is close to my own based on last week's and the review.

I don't necessarily agree with all of Jeff's takes on ME 3 but I think he has a very reasonable, I'm somewhat disappointed in this game although its certainly not shit approach.

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« Reply #644 on: March 21, 2012, 01:59:00 PM »
This whole ME3 thing is like Kickstarter stage 1 fallout.


 
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Re: MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|
« Reply #645 on: March 21, 2012, 02:09:30 PM »
That's a nice response, but I still don't think they should change the ending.

When they're throwing around quotes like "the player's also the architect of what happens" and "I think we’re co-creators with the fans" and "you as a player decide what your story is," then it becomes a bit harder to fall back on the idea that "Woah, wait, this is Bioware's story and they should be able to end it the way THEY want to and not in any other way" when so many players and so vocally dissatisfied with the ending.
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Re: MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|
« Reply #646 on: March 21, 2012, 02:15:57 PM »
That's a nice response, but I still don't think they should change the ending.

Agreed. They fucked up, they should stick with it. All the other game companies can learn from this, that there is no going back from not doing it right the first time.

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« Reply #647 on: March 21, 2012, 02:21:53 PM »
Plus, they would probably fuck up the new ending anyways. Best just leave it alone, Bioware.

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« Reply #648 on: March 22, 2012, 06:12:00 AM »
They should offer new endings as 15 bucks DLC, only for people to buy it in droves to find out it's the old endings with Jakety Sax playing over them. I would love nothing more.
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Re: MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|
« Reply #649 on: March 22, 2012, 10:19:03 AM »
Oh nerdlingers, you never cease to amaze me.

Hey, I'm only asking for Bioware to deliver on the claims and promises they made about the ending LESS THAN A WEEK BEFORE ME3 CAME OUT.
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« Reply #650 on: March 22, 2012, 02:15:27 PM »
That's a nice response, but I still don't think they should change the ending.

Agreed. They fucked up, they should stick with it. All the other game companies can learn from this, that there is no going back from not doing it right the first time.

Eh, if they made a new ending and it was AWESOME, nobody would care about the initial disappointment because it would be overshadowed by the awesomeness of the new ending. End of Evangelion has mostly overshadowed the TV ending for example. Not that I expect that to happen.
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« Reply #651 on: March 22, 2012, 04:25:22 PM »
Yeah, that would be ideal. But having to pay for a better ending and that day one DLC really soured me to begin with :(

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« Reply #652 on: March 22, 2012, 04:35:27 PM »
After the beating they took from the Day 1 DLC [which got overshadowed by the ending debacle], I'd be highly surprised if they tried to charge for any kind of new ending. Having said that, it is Bioware and EA, so maybe I'll be surprised.
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« Reply #653 on: March 22, 2012, 04:36:48 PM »
I think the only thing that will really have an impact on Bioware is if the next Mass Effect title sells like shit. They've already made a killing with ME3, regardless of people being pissed about the ending.
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« Reply #654 on: March 22, 2012, 04:43:29 PM »
I think the only thing that will really have an impact on Bioware is if the next Mass Effect title sells like shit. They've already made a killing with ME3, regardless of people being pissed about the ending.

They won't have to wait until the next ME game, just the next ME DLC. I'm sure if it bombs, they'll try to cook up something to fix the situation. If it sells millions, then we'll get nothing beyond whatever they're releasing in April [which I fully expect to be nothing more than a few extra lines of dialogue and maybe a short scene tacked on somewhere].
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« Reply #655 on: March 22, 2012, 07:57:24 PM »
seems like a new meme was born out of me3,i'm going to put this in spoilers because it feature thing that might be spoilery

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Re: MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|
« Reply #656 on: March 22, 2012, 09:13:06 PM »
The ending is fucking stupid and goes against everything the series had built up over the first two games.

Bioware should have kept that Matrix Reloaded Architect-esque shit out. They're hack writers; a mind-fuck ending is well beyond their talent levels. They should have gone with the conventional "hero saves the day" ending.

Fuck Bioware. Has anyone ever fallen from grace as quickly as they have?

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« Reply #657 on: March 22, 2012, 09:38:59 PM »
Fuck Bioware. Has anyone ever fallen from grace as quickly as they have?

Kobe.

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Re: MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|
« Reply #658 on: March 26, 2012, 12:45:38 AM »
damn, i got busted cheating :lol  now the question is, do i reload and stay with liara, or do i keep on going with the hot new comm chick?
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« Reply #659 on: March 26, 2012, 01:04:54 AM »
canon ending:
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