Author Topic: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS (Read 10240 times)

pilonv1 · « **Reply #60 on:** March 28, 2012, 09:10:22 PM »

Also - Alex Mack looks 40

etiolate · « **Reply #61 on:** March 28, 2012, 09:34:49 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2012, 07:52:18 PM

To be fair, her husband treats her like shit. Her finally snapping shouldn't be blamed entirely on her.

There needs to be a Betty defense force

I think there would be a Betty defense force if her response to Don's behavior wasn't at the same low level as Don's behavior. She runs off with a Daddy complex with another man. Same thing for Don going from Betty to Megan. Since Don is a central character and has his work life to provide some sort of respectable thing about him, people forgive him more. Betty just doesn't have anything going on besides her married life, so there's not a lot to redeem her character even if you sympathize with her situation.

Himu · « **Reply #62 on:** March 28, 2012, 09:53:56 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2012, 07:52:18 PM

To be fair, her husband treats her like shit. Her finally snapping shouldn't be blamed entirely on her.

There needs to be a Betty defense force

Betty is more complex than that, she is a self centered child because that's how she was raised to be. She was taught to get married, fuck having a career, and have lots of babies. She grew up being taught and idolizing that lifestyle. That was her "value" as a woman. She had to give up her life and aspirations. Mad Men is complicated because it's a show about expectations. Betty bought into housewife "ad" and it has left her unhappy. The same is true for every character depending on what "ad" of life they bought into.

I'd think Betty would feel more happy with her own career and own life separate from her family life.

As for a Betty Defense Force, you're looking at it. Zephyr and I are literally THE defense force for Betty.

Himu · « **Reply #63 on:** March 28, 2012, 09:56:24 PM »

Quote from: pilonv1 on March 28, 2012, 09:10:22 PM

Also - Alex Mack looks 40

Who does Alex Mack play?

pilonv1 · « **Reply #64 on:** March 28, 2012, 10:06:59 PM »

Kenny's wife/fiance

Himu · « **Reply #65 on:** March 28, 2012, 10:14:52 PM »

No wai

pilonv1 · « **Reply #66 on:** March 28, 2012, 10:41:40 PM »

Barry Egan · « **Reply #67 on:** March 28, 2012, 10:51:20 PM »

I feel old all of a sudden

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #68 on:** March 29, 2012, 12:20:16 AM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 28, 2012, 09:53:56 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2012, 07:52:18 PM
To be fair, her husband treats her like shit. Her finally snapping shouldn't be blamed entirely on her.

There needs to be a Betty defense force

Betty is more complex than that, she is a self centered child because that's how she was raised to be. She was taught to get married, fuck having a career, and have lots of babies. She grew up being taught and idolizing that lifestyle. That was her "value" as a woman. She had to give up her life and aspirations. Mad Men is complicated because it's a show about expectations. Betty bought into housewife "ad" and it has left her unhappy. The same is true for every character depending on what "ad" of life they bought into.

I'd think Betty would feel more happy with her own career and own life separate from her family life.

As for a Betty Defense Force, you're looking at it. Zephyr and I are literally THE defense force for Betty.

I'll have to catch up faster. Too busy writing my Betty Glenn fanfic

Himu · « **Reply #69 on:** March 29, 2012, 12:27:23 AM »

Quote from: pilonv1 on March 28, 2012, 10:41:40 PM

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$:-\$ :'(

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #70 on:** April 01, 2012, 11:34:57 PM »

FAT BETTY

Himu · « **Reply #71 on:** April 01, 2012, 11:40:12 PM »

Such a weird episode.

This was the first average episode of Mad Men I can think of. I enjoyed it, but ultimately it felt like filler. Such a weird episode.

Barry Egan · « **Reply #72 on:** April 02, 2012, 12:12:48 AM »

Fat Betty owns

Beezy · « **Reply #73 on:** April 02, 2012, 12:22:29 AM »

Fat Betty coming out of the bath was terrible. $:-\$

Himu · « **Reply #74 on:** April 02, 2012, 12:34:48 AM »

Fat Betty had my mouth open in shock at least 4 times. January is or was with child, no?

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #75 on:** April 02, 2012, 12:47:31 AM »

I hate Betty. I really want to enjoy the Fat Betty schadenfreude, but I'm having a hard time.

Mandark · « **Reply #76 on:** April 02, 2012, 02:21:44 AM »

Quote from: Billy Rygar on March 28, 2012, 01:22:28 PM

Is January Jones still in the show? God she's a fucking terrible actress. She somehow cheapened that X-Men movie that was already bad enough.

Second this. I wasn't sure for the longest time, though. "Is she bad, or just playing a character with stunted emotions and empathy?" I was leaning towards bad when X-Men cinched it forever.

Had the same problem with Adrian Grenier on Entourage.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #77 on:** April 02, 2012, 03:56:40 AM »

I like Betty now that she's depressed, though.

etiolate · « **Reply #78 on:** April 02, 2012, 04:45:22 AM »

omg fat betty lol

Find out the cancer tests were negative? BITCH ABOUT BEING FAT
Mother and Daughter time ends early? EAT THAT BRATS SUNDAE
Husband says he still wants your bod? GRENDEL'S MOTHER EMERGES FROM THE DARK DEPTHS

Himu · « **Reply #79 on:** April 02, 2012, 10:24:17 AM »

I'm pretty sure that Betty lied and she has cancer.

Phone rings and it's for Henry and another phone rings that coincidentally lets Betty pick up the phone and have the opportunity to lie? Check.
Friend hints at lying about having cancer so no one knows and she wants her husband to think she got hit by a car? Check.
Ominous foreshadowing in her dream? Check.
Eat her little girls ice cream, probably out of despair and depression? Check.

Either that or it's Betty being her childish attention whore self.

Some of the anti-Betty posts on the internet are weird and force me to side with her.

etiolate · « **Reply #80 on:** April 02, 2012, 06:44:25 PM »

I figured she didn't have cancer, but I can see her lying about that. It seems strange for the writers to bring in such a dark cloud just to shoo it away.

I kind of hope they don't go that route though, because it would be cheapened sympathy for Betty. Something about the way Weiner handles her bothers me. It's almost patronizing. It's almost like we're supposed to get "Poor, hopeless Betty" when she is awful in some way to somebody.

Beezy · « **Reply #81 on:** April 02, 2012, 07:27:25 PM »

No way in hell could Betty be told that she has cancer and she manages to keep it to herself.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #82 on:** April 04, 2012, 07:20:14 PM »

Quote from: Beezy on April 02, 2012, 07:27:25 PM

No way in hell could Betty be told that she has cancer and she manages to keep it to herself.

Plus she's not a good enough actress to be able to pull it off.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #83 on:** April 10, 2012, 09:49:03 AM »

No posts Himu-chan?

Quote from: pilonv1 on March 28, 2012, 06:42:17 PM

I enjoyed the two episodes without her. But she'll need to be in it as we see Sally's spiral into a coke whore.

It begins

Himu · « **Reply #84 on:** April 10, 2012, 10:03:56 AM »

Still haven't watched, it's on my dvr. Sunday has a lot of shows I watch.

Beezy · « **Reply #85 on:** April 10, 2012, 11:59:54 AM »

Quote from: pilonv1 on April 10, 2012, 09:49:03 AM

Quote from: pilonv1 on March 28, 2012, 06:42:17 PM
I enjoyed the two episodes without her. But she'll need to be in it as we see Sally's spiral into a coke whore.

It begins

oh shit

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #86 on:** April 10, 2012, 12:36:22 PM »

They've done a good job with Sally sounding like Betty.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #87 on:** April 10, 2012, 03:34:52 PM »

Quote from: pilonv1 on April 10, 2012, 09:49:03 AM

No posts Himu-chan?

Quote from: pilonv1 on March 28, 2012, 06:42:17 PM
I enjoyed the two episodes without her. But she'll need to be in it as we see Sally's spiral into a coke whore.

It begins

Fifstar · « **Reply #88 on:** April 10, 2012, 04:12:44 PM »

I'm a bit tired of those "oh it's only a dream" tricks. I guess it was very obvious in this case so it's not that bad but still.

Steve Youngblood · « **Reply #89 on:** April 10, 2012, 04:17:39 PM »

Yeah, it didn't really work for me, either.

FlameofCallandorReturns · « **Reply #90 on:** April 10, 2012, 04:53:10 PM »

I've been a pretty big Mad Men fan since the beginning. This season is really boring me.

Fifstar · « **Reply #91 on:** April 10, 2012, 05:43:23 PM »

I'm also not super enthusiastic about the beginning of this season but I think it will get better. The seasons get more interesting when the directions in which the story and characters go become clearer imo.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #92 on:** April 10, 2012, 07:54:59 PM »

I don't know how you couldn't see Sally's downward spiral coming. Red flags have been waived since the beggining. It's my favourite part of the show.

Quote from: Billy Rygar on April 10, 2012, 06:09:26 PM

I just rewatched season 4. Peggy and Don's relationship that season is about as perfectly written a relationship as you can have on TV

Agreed, Peggy is such a fantastic character.

Himu · « **Reply #93 on:** April 15, 2012, 08:02:37 PM »

Finally watched the episode to prepare for tonight. Good lord.

Beezy · « **Reply #94 on:** April 15, 2012, 11:08:49 PM »

Tonight's episode was amazing. I still have a big smile on my face. Lane fucking Pryce.

etiolate · « **Reply #95 on:** April 15, 2012, 11:14:07 PM »

Tonight has awesome Lane Pryce?

I'm psyched.

Himu · « **Reply #96 on:** April 16, 2012, 01:41:02 AM »

Jesus Christ, tonight was amazing.

The whole arc and emasculating Pete and his hopes, wishes, fears...holy shit. And the poem at the end by Cosgrove? Point. Amazing, just amazing.

etiolate · « **Reply #97 on:** April 16, 2012, 03:30:17 AM »

Quote from: etiolate on April 15, 2012, 11:14:07 PM

Tonight has awesome Lane Pryce?

I'm psyched.

PRYCE!

Himu · « **Reply #98 on:** April 16, 2012, 10:48:31 AM »

I love how direct they're taking the characters this season. Pete seemed to have a well adjusted family life (for the most part) before this season. This latest episode, he cries in an elevator and glares at a teenage girl getting finger banged by an young, hot jock he unsuccessfully coerced. Pete was utterly, devastatingly emasculated this episode. Which is funny, because I always thought that's the "ad" of life that Pete bought into.

Pete wants to be the big alpha male like Don Draper. He starts the show seducing Peggy not only for the thrill, but because he wants to literally be Don Draper - or at least, that's my interpretation. It makes the character communication between the two even more interesting tonight. Here Don is, Pete's ideal, and he won't bang a hooker. Five or so years ago when Pete joined Sterling Cooper, Don probably would have been all over that. And now, after Don successfully fixes Pete's pipes (haha), he makes him look like a buffoon by taking the moral high road and it stings like a bee. "That's rich coming from you."

This point is made even further by his prostitute scene where HE becomes the king for a while. Finally, Pete does something no one can fault him at.

And yet we see Pete fail, continuously, as he tries to achieve that Draper "ideal". One that probably never existed to begin with. We see Pete emasculated in every single area Don won over time and time again (remember the "fight" with the comedian in season 2? Don ended that quick.)

Such a thrilling episode. I don't remember the series treating the other characters like it would Don before, but they really pulled their punches this episode.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #99 on:** April 16, 2012, 12:34:51 PM »

Anyone else catch Pete calling Don "Dick" when he ran to get the toolbox?

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #100 on:** April 16, 2012, 04:57:11 PM »

This last episode bitchslapped every other critically acclaimed show. mad men you are king.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #101 on:** April 16, 2012, 06:48:45 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on April 16, 2012, 10:48:31 AM

I don't remember the series treating the other characters like it would Don before, but they really pulled their punches this episode.

You mean they DIDN'T pull any punches.

Himu · « **Reply #102 on:** April 16, 2012, 06:51:10 PM »

kill me

Robo · « **Reply #103 on:** April 16, 2012, 06:51:51 PM »

No, you know, like they pulled back real far, like a sling shot.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #104 on:** April 16, 2012, 06:52:11 PM »

Just trying to help.

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Himu · « **Reply #105 on:** April 16, 2012, 06:57:14 PM »

Quote from: Robo on April 16, 2012, 06:51:51 PM

No, you know, like they pulled back real far, like a sling shot.

Himu · « **Reply #106 on:** April 17, 2012, 04:01:20 PM »

Vertigo · « **Reply #107 on:** April 17, 2012, 04:44:11 PM »

Another great episode. I like Pete he can be a little prick but his got heart.

Fifstar · « **Reply #108 on:** April 17, 2012, 05:05:07 PM »

Harsh what they did to Pete in this episode. After he was contionously portrayed as a looser that can never touch Draper, I felt they built him slowly up over the last season. Now the writers really put him down again. I actually started to feel for Campbell, when I actually enjoyed that he got put into his place by Draper before.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #109 on:** April 17, 2012, 08:15:00 PM »

Awesome episode. Loved Trudy telling people what to talk about at dinner.

I never really liked Pete in season one but he's grown to be one of my favourite characters. I like that they've broken him down by not being happy now he has everything he saw Don have before.

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on April 16, 2012, 12:34:51 PM

Anyone else catch Pete calling Don "Dick" when he ran to get the toolbox?

will be watching this again later.

Himu · « **Reply #110 on:** April 18, 2012, 12:10:37 AM »

Beezy · « **Reply #111 on:** April 18, 2012, 12:19:34 AM »

brawndolicious · « **Reply #112 on:** April 18, 2012, 02:37:06 AM »

Sterling must be loving this after how Campbell screwed/humiliated him with the airline deal.

Pete doesn't have anything slowing down his spiral. He's in that limbo of having an incredible ego but no confidence and no goals...has the actor who plays Pete been confirmed to come back for another season? Maybe they'll actually have Pete Campbell killed off this season. Either by suicide or by drunken shenanigans.

That would be huge. The table's certainly set for that, he has no willingness to follow anybody else's advice and he wants something he can't figure out. This season has already been paying too little attention to how Don's family life though so I'm doubting they'll have enough time to spend on a Pete-suicide arc. I'm sure the writers have thought about it though.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #113 on:** April 19, 2012, 03:57:25 PM »

Still kinda weird seeing him play this character after Connor on Angel.

Himu · « **Reply #114 on:** April 19, 2012, 03:59:01 PM »

there are a shit ton of theories out there that campbell is going to kill himself this season

Positive Touch · « **Reply #115 on:** April 22, 2012, 10:27:42 PM »

yes, this is awesome

Himu · « **Reply #116 on:** April 22, 2012, 10:31:47 PM »

this is the best episode ever

Himu · « **Reply #117 on:** April 22, 2012, 11:05:40 PM »

what the fuck

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #118 on:** April 23, 2012, 12:24:35 AM »

Just watched the ep in S2 where Don finally punches Jimmy Barret. Thank god

also omg Don's secretary nom nom

etiolate · « **Reply #119 on:** April 23, 2012, 12:42:51 AM »

omg this episode

Megan: Why don't you call your mother?
Don: =O

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Author Topic: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS (Read 10240 times)