Nintendo Wii U conference of Wii U conference (tl;dr READ OP FOR BREAKDOWN)

[pickle]

meh, SK's situation is their fault and their fault alone.  i feel sorry for the employees (apart from dyack) but as an Ontarian taxpayer, i won't be sad to see them gone, at all.

I know. I just wanted muh ED2.

[Purple Filth]

bore was up for hosting renewal - so paid up for another year. If i'm going to pay for it, then i'm damned sure i'm going to troll on it.

Great reason imo and thanks for keeping the place alive.

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

this is bad news anyway because the Wii U desperately needs games, and no matter your feelings on Silicon Knights, at least they don't make anything at all like another effing minigame collection/family friendly shit like Nintendo only seems to want to make.

The Wii U needs games, this was a game.  So, yeah, this kinda sucks.  HD insanity effects could have been fun.

[Momo]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=477769&page=3

I believe Nintendo fans have started to feign ignorance to test the sanity of NeoGAF posters. This particular fellow called "Holy Wars" is currently having his faith tested harder than finding a dinosaur bone in his back yard.

[D3RANG3D]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=477769&page=3

I believe Nintendo fans have started to feign ignorance to test the sanity of NeoGAF posters. This particular fellow called "Holy Wars" is currently having his faith tested harder than finding a dinosaur bone in his back yard.

As I said in another thread, wii u is going to surprise ppl. There's no way to judge the console based on obvious 360/PS3 ports and unoptimized games. The final devkit is VERY recent and couldn't be integrated before E3

 

[DCharlieJP]

I feel sorry for the N-GAFfots because there's at least three posters straight up blowing smoke up their arses.

[Joe Molotov]

WiiU is like two Wii's duct-taped together, confirmed.

[DCharlieJP]

WiiU is like two Wii's duct-taped together, confirmed.

haha, i heard -four- from a serious source. lol

"or 1.lownumber of an Xbox... anyone who thinks Nintendo haven't looked at the Wii strategy and said 'that worked... shouldn't we just repeat that?' is in for a huge disappointment"

[Van Cruncheon]

it's 2 xbox 360's duct-taped together.

[Van Cruncheon]

i ain't kiddin'.

[Joe Molotov]

I like the guy with the Reggie/Ganondorf avatar that says Nintendoland may be running at 720p as "an artistic choice." Seems like a pretty stable, level-headed guy.

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autistic choice more like, amirite?

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[D3RANG3D]

I like the guy with the Reggie/Ganondorf avatar that says Nintendoland may be running at 720p as "an artistic choice." Seems like a pretty stable, level-headed guy.

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autistic choice more like, amirite?

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[Oblivion]

Arghhhh.

Why won't those stupid idiot dummy heads on gaf believe me when I say NSMBU and Rayman Legends are 60 fps! 

Seriously, even Eurogamer got dat shit wrong. It's not that hard, people.

[Shaka Khan]

There's no way for Rayman to be less than 60.

ME3 being 60 was kind of a nice surprise.

[Human Snorenado]

it's 2 xbox 360's duct-taped together.

The 2nd one uses half it's power to fuel the controller, and the other half to deal with all that whimsy.

[maxy]

http://nintendoeverything.com/91114/eguchi-on-not-selling-wii-u-at-a-loss-vc-resolution-nintendo-land-mostly-at-60-fps/

Eguchi on Wii U resolution/framerates…

“As far as the resolution and framerates for any of the software goes, it’ll obviously depend on whatever the developer feels is the best way to get the best experience to the player. I can’t personally speak for third-parties and their circumstances, but at Nintendo we have different teams working on different games that take into consideration the resolution… and if they think that by focusing on 720p and a certain framerate to get a certain experience, than that’s ultimately how they make their decisions. It’s worth it to point out that we might consider using 1080p, but, for example, if we want to get 60 fps, at a particular stage of development, it may seem 720p is more realistic.”

Eguchi on Nintendo Land’s framerate…

“To be precise, almost all of the attractions will run at 60 fps. There’s just one particular case of an attraction that, playing at the absolute maximum number of players, would take a framerate drop… but by and large, all will run at 60 fps. But for example, in the attraction that does have a framerate drop, we wouldn’t make that concession unless we were sure the experience to the player was still up to our standards.”

[Flannel Boy]

Oh Nintend'oh

[maxy]

first WiiU dev kits
http://www.vgleaks.com/wii-u-first-devkits-cat-dev-v1-v2/





enough space for one skinny space hamster

maybe

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I know the topic has changed a bit but fuck any crybaby bullshit about Silicon Knights.  Dyack pissed away the viability of his company with his dumbfuckery.  Nintendo, Microsoft, or Canada shouldn't subsidize his bullshit because he can't keep his mouth shut and make a game that isn't a 6/10 at best (sorry, Eternal Darkness wasn't that good of a game and Blood Omen is over 15 years old).

[Fifstar]

Has anybody reliable confirmed that SK really worked on Eternal Darkness 2?

Also, playing ED three times for a still sucky ending was one of my most boring gaming experiences.

[MCD]

Guys guys

I am actually excited for HD Nintendo games

The kid in me is kicking some whimsy magic

[Diunx]

Same old shit but now in 720p

[BobFromPikeCreek]

[Sho Nuff]

QUALITY

[Oblivion]

[maxy]

There is some talk about WiiU CPU

WiiU CPU=(Wii CPU+Wii CPU+Wii CPU)*some Cache,clocked bellow 2Ghz

Oh Nintend'oh

[Chinner]

looking pretty obvious now that the wii u is just a quick buck to be made for nintendo, like the wii was.

will not buy.

[DCharlieJP]

WiiU - Wii piss, U open your mouth.... now tell me who your daddy is... Here's some X360 games for you... you like these now , don't you Bitch!

Tell me what a dirty slut you are... tell me you like Batman now.... tell me you like the third part of a series you had no interest in previously... tell me again... and tell me again...

you are a dirty slut for my dumpster next gen wares....

you didnt want this shit 6 years ago but now it's PROPER FOISTY and OLD and CERTIFIED PAST ITS SELL BY DATE so now i KNOW you want to lick it good and hard. Sniff my last gen shit bitch.... go on... rub your uneducated tongue down my flacid shaft whilst i tell you all about DX10 level effects like it's not some dried out choriso cock. Do you like waggle ? we like it so much we invited it back... 2 buttons bitch... TWO.... fuck yeah!

[pilonv1]

I don't care about the CPU, I just need to know what 4000 series Radeon Mobility variant the GPU is.

[DCharlieJP]

I don't care about the CPU, I just need to know what 4000 series Radeon Mobility variant the GPU is.

Nintendo : tomorrow's yesterday's technology TODAY TOMORROW! #fap #fap #fap

[MCD]

Tomorrow's magic

[DCharlieJP]

the TV isn't big enough for all the whimsy

I just hope there is a penis groove on the back of the WankPad so i can make it prop up on my lap when i see Mario in full on next gen 720 HD

[Brehvolution]

I know it was only 2 weeks, but I missed you DC. 

[Joe Molotov]

[Human Snorenado]

What's really sad is that they're not even going just last gen, but revisiting connectivity to boot.  It's like a greatest hits parade, where all the songs are terrible and make you want to die.

[Van Cruncheon]

I don't care about the CPU, I just need to know what 4000 series Radeon Mobility variant the GPU is.

most likely a 4670M, but until someone does some proper testing OR amd leaks the paperwork, we may never know.

the cpu is a family (refined arch) up from the same ppc die in the 360, only downclocked. it's effectively in same performance band.

as i said on gaf, whether they like to admit or not (they love to compare paper specs disingenuously): the wii u is a 360+ --  a 360 with dx10.1 features. that will lead to cleaner images at 720p over the 360, and less annoying artifacts like stipple stencils and disabled vsync, but it really is a 360, by and large.

[Eel O'Brian]

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[Van Cruncheon]

[Brehvolution]

 

[maxy]

bad news for magus

http://kotaku.com/5917363/better-friend-codes-achievements-and-more-nintendo-answers-our-burning-wii-u-questions

Some of Nintendo's top game designers don't want to put Achievements in their games, but Nintendo has put an Achievement-like system in the 3DS, mostly to reward people for feats involving the system's Street Pass networking system. In other words, the system itself has Achievements. "We will have that," Fils-Aime said. "Once you start getting into game-specific [Achievements] that's developer driven." Microsoft may require every game to have Achievements, but, Fils-Aime said, "That is not our philosophy."

 

[Mr. Gundam]

PS3/360 ports will have 'em for sure.

[magus]

i don't really care if not every games ever has achievements but i want them to be globalized (err how can i explain this... like rune factory 3 has achievements but they are exclusive to the games,they don't add to a general score nor there is any page in my profile where it says "you were awesome with that game!") it also would be neat if they could put some extra about them,like i would love if each achievement gave you trophies a-la smash bros

[magus]

IGN: One of the things I think Pikmin 2 really drove home was the element of cooperative gameplay, and just multiplayer in general, allowing more than one player to play together. Can people expect the same from Pikmin 3? Perhaps even online Pikmin?

Miyamoto: Everyone asks that question! [laughter]

So in the case of Mario Kart, we did have online multiplayer, and that's something that... You have to be very careful that you don't drop frames as you're trying to sync up with other players over what could be a very great physical distance, over the internet. But in the situation of Pikmin, for example, since you would have lots of individual, small creatures, the Pikmin, whose every movement and location is going to be really important in the game, it would be very difficult to sync up over an internet connection.

So I think what we've decided to do is focus on the single-player and local multiplayer aspects, which are really fun. But unfortunately, no online multiplayer for Pikmin 3. But the co-op local multiplayer is really fun.

i give exactly 0 shit about multiplayer pikmin but it's hilarious that after all that crap about social and online,one of their first game is going to have local multiplayer but not online

[Huff]

Fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

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Touch the picture that shows how you feel.

[Joe Molotov]

IGN: One of the things I think Pikmin 2 really drove home was the element of cooperative gameplay, and just multiplayer in general, allowing more than one player to play together. Can people expect the same from Pikmin 3? Perhaps even online Pikmin?

Miyamoto: Everyone asks that question! [laughter]

So in the case of Mario Kart, we did have online multiplayer, and that's something that... You have to be very careful that you don't drop frames as you're trying to sync up with other players over what could be a very great physical distance, over the internet. But in the situation of Pikmin, for example, since you would have lots of individual, small creatures, the Pikmin, whose every movement and location is going to be really important in the game, it would be very difficult to sync up over an internet connection.

So I think what we've decided to do is focus on the single-player and local multiplayer aspects, which are really fun. But unfortunately, no online multiplayer for Pikmin 3. But the co-op local multiplayer is really fun.

i give exactly 0 shit about multiplayer pikmin but it's hilarious that after all that crap about social and online,one of their first game is going to have local multiplayer but not online

Internets are hard, all them tubes and shit. Nobody knows how that shit works. It's impossible. 

But you can still text all your Ninfriendos about your conquests "BEAT LEVEL 2 OF PICMAN, FAGZ! my dick ---> 8========D~~ D: <--your face"

[Damian79]

I never really cared about graphics just need something that isnt abhorrent.  So if Nintendo releases anything worthwhile like a sequel to Xenoblade Chronicles, i will buy it.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I never really cared about graphics just need something that isnt abhorrent.  So if Nintendo releases anything worthwhile like a sequel to Xenoblade Chronicles, i will buy it.

> isn't abhorrent
> WiiU

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I never really cared about graphics just need something that isnt abhorrent.  So if Nintendo releases anything worthwhile like a sequel to Xenoblade Chronicles, i will buy it.

Shut up

[Damian79]

I never really cared about graphics just need something that isnt abhorrent.  So if Nintendo releases anything worthwhile like a sequel to Xenoblade Chronicles, i will buy it.

> isn't abhorrent
> WiiU

I meant in terms of graphics.  Te xenoblade character models sucked and were quite ugly to look at.

[DCharlieJP]

Touch the picture that shows how you feel.

I want to touch two of those pictures at the same time but the Nintendo Mothership has told me i like single touch because it's much more accurate and any device using multitouch is not suitable for my needs.

Can you please add a "Sad and Scared" button please?

See ! with good software design and Nintendo Magic you don't NEED technological progress.

[Damian79]

Touch the picture that shows how you feel.

I want to touch two of those pictures at the same time but the Nintendo Mothership has told me i like single touch because it's much more accurate and any device using multitouch is not suitable for my needs.

Can you please add a "Sad and Scared" button please?

See ! with good software design and Nintendo Magic you don't NEED technological progress.

*Head assplodes*

[Damian79]

BTW is the vita more powerful than the WiiU?  It would have been hilarious.

[cool breeze]

Vita is between Xbox and current gen consoles.  Wii U is on par with current gen consoles.  If Vita weren't a nonentity, there could've been some good cross platform games between them, similar to Wii and PSP, only incentive with both devices featuring a touch screen.

no online for Pikmin 3 makes it pretty worthless to me.  Pikmin 2 again in HD.  Then again, it's an RTS and RTS games aren't known for online multiplayer.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

no online for Pikmin 3 makes it pretty worthless to me.  Pikmin 2 again in HD.  Then again, it's an RTS and RTS games aren't known for online multiplayer.

not sure if kekekidding

[Trent Dole]

Pikmin 2 again in HD.  Then again, it's an RTS and RTS games aren't known for online multiplayer.

[The Sceneman]

i don't really care if not every games ever has achievements but i want them to be globalized (err how can i explain this... like rune factory 3 has achievements but they are exclusive to the games,they don't add to a general score nor there is any page in my profile where it says "you were awesome with that game!") it also would be neat if they could put some extra about them,like i would love if each achievement gave you trophies a-la smash bros

the x360 doesn't have that feature either, that is if you are a filthy pirate with an offline box

[Phoenix Dark]

no online for Pikmin 3 makes it pretty worthless to me.  Pikmin 2 again in HD.  Then again, it's an RTS and RTS games aren't known for online multiplayer.

WUT

[Damian79]

There is no excuse for pikmin not having online multiplayer, none.


Also found this on nintendoeverything.com

Testosterone: I finally discovered why I hate so many modern games.


It seems like the longer I watch this industry progress, the further from me it moves. It is slowly severing its connections with innovation, artistic expression, or even just plain fun. We see fewer games like ‘Flower’ and more games like ‘Call of Duty’. Fewer games like ‘Zelda’ and more games like ‘Darksiders’. Fewer games like ‘Mario Kart’ and more games like ‘Forza’. The longer I look at it, the worse it seems to get. Profits go up, but my enjoyment goes down.
 
I never really understood why I felt this way- at least not in any tangible, communicable sense- but finally I figured it out. It’s all because of testosterone. It’s all because of that weird, obscure concept of “manliness” as though it is something that even exists, much less is important.
 


This all started when I was watching Microsoft’s E3 press conference last week, wondering if I’d find anything interesting (sidenote: I didn’t), when something peculiar happened. Game after game after game came on screen, and gun after gun after gun was fired, and explosion after explosion after explosion was… uh… exploded, but none of it interested me at all. Each time something new was shown, I felt like I’d seen it before. It came across as bland, uninteresting, and generic. I’ve felt this way for a while, but the best I could do to describe it to people was to say that I just didn’t like “realistic” games, or “action-packed” games. These adjectives were close, but they didn’t quite hit the nail on the head. Now, after a few hours of thinking about it, I know exactly why I don’t like all of the games I constantly see, and I think it describes a big part of the reason why Nintendo is the favorite game company of so many.
 


Let me start with that example that some of you may have found odd: ‘Zelda’ and ‘Darksiders’. A lot of people who played the latter of these two games called it a ‘more mature Zelda’. But no. “Mature” is definitely not the word I would use there. Zelda is mature beyond its appearance, and- much like Pixar movies- has a remarkable way of connecting with wide audiences no matter the age rating or art style. It is, without a doubt, more mature than ‘Darksiders’.
 
What the reviewers perhaps meant to say is that it was a “manlier” Zelda. One with more testosterone. A game that did its best to fit as many scary faces and big muscles and violence and sweat and blood and darkness and grit as it possibly could into one package- and maybe in that sense it succeeded. But this is the exact reason why I don’t like Darksiders and so many other games in concept. They’re all so uselessly manly.
 




At the Microsoft conference, they pretty much talked about three things: Guns, sports, and cars. Three of the “manliest” things in existence, and three things that I will never understand the insane hype behind. Why do we suppose they talked about these things?
 
Anyone?
 
The answer is that they sell.
 
Every single one of those games that I “just don’t like” has this one thing in common. They all have guns or sports or cars or scantily clad women or blood or explosions. Just a bunch of stupid, mindless drivel that is put in there not for the sake of gameplay, not for the sake of storytelling, and not for the sake of “making it immersive”. It’s put in there because the people behind these games (Activision, EA, Ubisoft, etc etc etc) know that this is what people are buying. They look at the trends, and make games based around it.
 
Now, extrapolate this newfound wisdom to the current round of consoles. The PS360 is primarily made up of these testosterone-y games; ones filled with gritty realism, guns, explosions, and whatever else they can fit in there that will validate our existence as “men”, either on a very blatant level (Call of Duty) or a more subtle plane. Even the best games like Mass Effect and Grand Theft Auto still strike me as a little dull, despite the fact that I enjoyed similar games on older consoles. There’s just too much realism. Too many guns. Too much badassery. I don’t want to see all of their pores and hairs and each wrinkle on someone’s face. It destroys the atmosphere to have so much detail. I don’t get it.
 


The Wii? It’s filled with artistic, weird, and unique games. Fragile, No More Heroes, Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart, Muramasa, Little King’s Story, etc. All of the best Wii games don’t concern themselves with testosterone or manliness. They concern themselves with being games, pieces of art, or innovations. No, they aren’t all amazing, but they also aren’t stupid and manly and detailed. I love it.
 
And you know what the most noticeable difference between Nintendo-platform games (pre-Wii U anyway) and other platforms’ games? The characters. The heroes from the greatest Wii and DS games never have huge muscles, rugged voices, or overbearing personalities. They’re characters like Phoenix Wright, Link, Mario, Travis Touchdown, and Seto. Unique characters about whom you can know something simply by looking at them, and characters who aren’t quite like anyone else you’ve met. Hell, the closest Nintendo has ever come to playing into a stereotype is with Samus and her slim, attractive body. Yet even then, she was born out of breaking a stereotype, and to this day she more often resides in a very thick metallic casing than in her skin-tight under suit.
 
So, to all of you guys out there who laugh when someone says their favorite developer is Nintendo or that their favorite game is something other than “MANdden NHL 2K10: An Explosion of Testosterone*: It’s not because we’re fanboys. It’s because we just don’t care about your useless, subconscious quest for needing to see the most manly and most explosion-y thing since ‘Avatar’ came out.

[Mr. Gundam]

No More Heroes was full of blood, tits and sex jokes, and there are plenty of what he refers to as "non-manly titles" on the 360 and PS3. The dude's thesis fails horribly.