Am I insane for thinking The Last of Us is an abomination?

[maxy]

If Hitler was still alive he would love cutscenes.

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I wonder if anybody will guess why?

[close]

Because he's cutting Jews?

No.

Control.

[Huff]

this is now a joke thread

it was always a joke thread

[Momo]

If Hitler was still alive he would love cutscenes.

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I wonder if anybody will guess why?

[close]

Because he's cutting Jews?

No.

Control.

Of the oven

[Dickie Dee]

Why are any fucks given for a game you don't want to play? By definition you not wanting to play it means there should be no fucks to give

[Raban]

Why are any fucks given for a game you don't want to play? By definition you not wanting to play it means there should be no fucks to give

But bitching is so fun!

[Himu]

agreed with mamacint, who cares. this game will sell 1m copies and everyone everywhere will forget its existence. don't give a fuck.

and crying about games becoming games like last of us is distinguished mentally-challenged considering the immense variety gaming offers today.

[EmCeeGrammar]

For the record I'm merely apathetic about whatever pretentions naughty dog is up to.  I don't think about this too much and will happily be chastised for enjoying something like wii music over whatever cinematic experience is currently on the pedestal this month. 

Luckily the stuff I do like trends much much much cheaper.  I enjoy a good ios spree and I got Rhythm Heaven wii for like, 30 dollars new.  I'm happy~

[EmCeeGrammar]

And who the fuck is the closeted ninthing around here anyway?

[Positive Touch]

except theres a million examples of games that have come out in the last year that are way more gameplay that cutscenes.  i mean you could play skyrim instead of zelda since its similar but not made for 10-year-olds, or for action games you could fuck it why am i even arguing with you

[MrAngryFace]

Im glad I got all old and lost not only a lot of time to play games, but also think/argue about them. I have so much more fun gaming purely for myself.

[CajoleJuice]

except theres a million examples of games that have come out in the last year that are way more gameplay that cutscenes.  i mean you could play skyrim instead of zelda since its similar but not made for 10-year-olds, or for action games you could fuck it why am i even arguing with you

pretty much this

[Himu]

except theres a million examples of games that have come out in the last year that are way more gameplay that cutscenes.  i mean you could play skyrim instead of zelda since its similar but not made for 10-year-olds, or for action games you could fuck it why am i even arguing with you

yup

[Himu]

I still haven't played Skyward Sword. Guess what my Zelda was last year: Skyrim.

[Positive Touch]

I still haven't played Skyward Sword. Guess what my Zelda was last year: Skyrim.

real games for grown folks

[Barry Egan]

I still haven't played Skyward Sword. Guess what my Zelda was last year: Skyrim.

Good show.  Skyward Sword is seriously awful.

[Himu]

Game looked like shit from the ground up. Surprised Ruzbeh was so shocked.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Snooooooooooooobssssss

I will say not being able to skip ALL the cutscenes on my second playthrough was kinda a downer, but Skyward is up there with Majora's Mask.  By comparison Ocarina and Wind Waker and Twilight Princess feel like broken messes.

[Himu]

Snooooooooooooobssssss

I will say not being able to skip ALL the cutscenes on my second playthrough was kinda a downer, but Skyward is up there with Majora's Mask.  By comparison Ocarina and Wind Waker and Twilight Princess feel like broken messes.

don't say this

[Momo]

Darksiders 2 is set to be the best Zelda this generation

[Raban]

Darksiders 2 is set to be the best Zelda this generation

From the previews it looks like Darksiders 2 is gonna be more Amalur than Zelda.

[etiolate]

I wish darksiders didn't have that mcfarlane look to it

[Rahxephon91]

I Skyward Sword was decent. It was my first Zelda either way. Great graphics and art and one of the few Wii games I thought made real good use of the controller.

[Takao]

I have never completed a Zelda game in my life. I find them dreadfully boring.  I also think it's gross that in Twilight Princess (the last one I played) Nintendo went to extremes by having mouth flaps move, but had no actual voice actors. I know it's a stylistic approach but it just comes off incredibly cheap.

[brob]

I like wind waker, wish there was less fighting and more islands to sail to. frankly I wanted it to be a harvest moon game with sailing. Liked link's awakening too, even though it's impossible to play that one now given that you the gameboy only had two buttons so you are constantly equipping/re-equipping whatevs. Also Majora's Mask was kinda neat with the time limit stuff n that.

[Rahxephon91]

I have never completed a Zelda game in my life. I find them dreadfully boring.  I also think it's gross that in Twilight Princess (the last one I played) Nintendo went to extremes by having mouth flaps move, but had no actual voice actors. I know it's a stylistic approach but it just comes off incredibly cheap.

While it's probably a crime to think this, I also think it's cheap that Nintendo does not have voice acting in Zelda. It's 2012, it's time you put money into your big games.

But then Metriod Other M had voice acting and well....

[EmCeeGrammar]

Ideally, zelda would have as little exposition as possible. Zelda 1 is kinda archaic, but what I do like about it was its non intrusive npcs or whatnot.  They're basically there to just give you vague hints.

[Raban]

I have never completed a Zelda game in my life. I find them dreadfully boring.  I also think it's gross that in Twilight Princess (the last one I played) Nintendo went to extremes by having mouth flaps move, but had no actual voice actors. I know it's a stylistic approach but it just comes off incredibly cheap.

While it's probably a crime to think this, I also think it's cheap that Nintendo does not have voice acting in Zelda. It's 2012, it's time you put money into your big games.

But then Metriod Other M had voice acting and well....

I think what you mean to say is, if Zelda is gonna rely so heavily on telling you things verbally, it ought to have some voice acting. An alternative to adding VA would be to just reduce the amount of verbal instruction in the game, period. I'm not holding my breath for that.

[Rahxephon91]

Yeah, I would be fine with no voice acting, if the game did'nt create parts where it's absence is strange. SS had some pretty well done cutscenes and it's just kind of strange they have no audio. If the game didn't have that, then I would be reminded that the game has no voice acting.

[Great Rumbler]

Ideally, zelda would have as little exposition as possible. Zelda 1 is kinda archaic, but what I do like about it was its non intrusive npcs or whatnot.  They're basically there to just give you vague hints.

I'd agree with that. Ideally a new Zelda game would be like Dark Souls but with a brighter color palette, puzzles, and a less dour tone. There's a few important NPCs that you encounter and have basic interactions with, lots of areas to explore, and shell of a story that binds the whole thing together.

[Joe Molotov]

I have never completed a Zelda game in my life. I find them dreadfully boring.  I also think it's gross that in Twilight Princess (the last one I played) Nintendo went to extremes by having mouth flaps move, but had no actual voice actors. I know it's a stylistic approach but it just comes off incredibly cheap.

While it's probably a crime to think this, I also think it's cheap that Nintendo does not have voice acting in Zelda. It's 2012, it's time you put money into your big games.

But then Metriod Other M had voice acting and well....

I think what you mean to say is, if Zelda is gonna rely so heavily on telling you things verbally, it ought to have some voice acting. An alternative to adding VA would be to just reduce the amount of verbal instruction in the game, period. I'm not holding my breath for that.

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[naff]

Sticking with no VA is one of the few things I still like about Zelda.

[Takao]

would it lose whimsy if nolan north voiced half the cast

[Tasty]

Anyone who thinks Link to the Past is dreadfully boring (at least on the first playthrough) probably has the shittiest tastes in the history of shit.

Definitely.

Game is very tight, very fun, and is easily the peak of the Zelda series. There's lore and mythology and a story but they intrude on gameplay like, twice in the entire game (during the EMMY-NOMINATED* opening sequence and when Zelda's kidnapped... the second time.) It leaves so much to the imagination that the world and mythology feel 10x bigger than they actually are. Yet it doesn't give you nothing, like the NES Zeldas did manuals aside. It gives you a glimpse, and from that you can extrapolate so much more.

It also isn't a giant middle-finger to everyone but the biggest basement dwelling weirdos who liked Zelda 1 and 2's obtuseness. The game is linear in the first half but it never really feels linear, which is something I think the later Zelda games tried to pull off with varying success. Certainly, the Zelda series could do with more sequence breaking.

In conclusion, Link to the Past is the best of the one or two good ideas Zelda 1 had and most of the things 3D Zelda did right, all in a neat little 2D package you can finish in about 5-15 hours.

*Not actually Emmy-nominated, but still held in high regard by gamers who have taste.

[Himu]

I love Link to the Past.

[cool breeze]

I still really like the console Zeldas but more and more they find ways to self potato the games.  People complained about the five hour tutorial in Twilight Princess before the game starts for real.  The solution? reduce the initial tutorial to two hours and finds ways the make the entire game feel like a tutorial.  The game has no confidence in the player to do anything.  It feels like Nintendo is aiming Zelda at the Kirby/Starfy audience these days.  OK.  That's isolating the problem.  There are quite a many problems with Skyward Sword besides the no gamer left behind policy they've adopted.

and Minish Cap came out in 2004 or 5 

[Human Snorenado]

I like wind waker, wish there was less fighting and more islands to sail to. frankly I wanted it to be a harvest moon game with sailing.

ITT: AUTISM

[frod]

I'd love love love  a new link to the past style game. In HD.

[Oblivion]

When I was at the Sony conference and this was revealed, I was like "Oh, shit. Another Uncharted game so soon after the last one?"

Wasn't joking, btw. Didn't realize it was a completely new IP til like 2 or 3 days later. As someone mentioned, I literally thought it was Uncharted with a loli side kick.

[Himu]

Dude, I thought it was Uncharted 4 for like a good 3 minutes into the demo

[Oblivion]

Yeah, ND didn't seem to go through a lot of effort in trying to distinguish the game.

Is this supposed to be set in the same universe as Uncharted?

[Momo]

I'd love love love  a new link to the past style game. In HD.

You're better off looking at the indie scene

[brob]

I like wind waker, wish there was less fighting and more islands to sail to. frankly I wanted it to be a harvest moon game with sailing.

(Image removed from quote.)

ITT: AUTISM

I thought I would have to write far more than that about this play-pretend version of a video game to be labeled emotionally derelict. I even have a beer advert~esque clique of friends!

[magus]

Anyone who thinks Link to the Past is dreadfully boring (at least on the first playthrough) probably has the shittiest tastes in the history of shit.

I'll grant the Zeldas of the last ten years have been pretty snooze-inducing, though.

i wouldn't call it dreadfull boring but it's just sort of bland,like you pick every dungeon and it's actualy sort of hard to distinguish them... the GBC zelda games (the oracles and awakening) are the one that works

but since i know that now i'll have to hear "what a surprise! magus has shit taste!" i'll preventively post this

[Tasty]

All the dungeons in Link to the Past have their own distinctive quality.

Hyrule Castle is... Hyrule Castle.

The Skull Woods, where you have to go into the overworld in order to get to different parts of the dungeon? Absolutely genius.

The Desert Palace, with quick sand and the three head entrances? Also genius.

Ice Palace is probably the hardest dungeon in the game, due to the strong elemental enemies and the slippery fricking floor.

Swamp Palace, where you have to raise and lower the water while clawing your way further down that hell hole?

Turtle Rock, dude? Where you're in like slides being transported over lava, and you have to find out which slide goes where? Oh and also you have this magic fricking cane that can make on-rails platforms but you have to be even MORE careful cause there are floating enemies out to get you?

I can maybe see the Tower of Hera and Ganon's Tower being confused a bit, but all the dungeons in the game have something to offer on their own.

Absolutely brilliant game, and now I want to replay it for the 100th time.

[magus]

andrex it's not a matter of having different gimmicks because if we want to do it like that it's as easy as going "this dungeon has the hookshot and you use it to hookshot things"

all the dungeon features the same music and mostly use the same graphics and enemies,therefore i find it bland

[brob]

such astute and sound reasoning. magus, you need a youtube video game review show. could you do unpacking videos and stuff too?

[magus]

such astute and sound reasoning. magus

detective conan is a noob compared to me

[Tasty]

mostly use the same graphics and enemies,therefore i find it bland

This is demonstrably, provably not true.

















Only in Swamp Palace:




Only in Desert Palace:




Only in Ice Palace:




Only in Skull Woods:




Only in Tower of Hera:




Only in Misery Mire:




Only in Dark Palace:




Only in Hyrule Castle:




Only in Turtle Rock:




Only in Thieve's Town:




In Dark Palace and Ganon's Tower:





In fact, in doing some light research for this post, I've learned there are more kinds of enemies exclusive to each dungeon than repeated between them. You literally have no idea what you're talking about.

[Himu]

But Andrex! Look at the tiles on the edge of the walls! CLEARLY they're just palette swaps!

[magus]

yes and these 2 screenshots show 2 places that looks completly different




i guess one is green and the other is blue..... huge difference in the eyes of a nintendo fan



do we want to talk about how those statue sprites get abused? and how half the time there is a puzzle that is about shooting an arrow in their eye?



do we want to talk about how many times i have seen this guy,his red pal and his more boney one? i don't know why the counter argument to this is "bubububu there is a mini-version of the worm boss in the dungeon of the worm boss!" it doesn't really matter when the game is littered with his smuggy helmet

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzelda

[EmCeeGrammar]

Are we seriously entertaining the notion that Magus isn't simply an obnoxious contrarian that far too many of you are guilty of enabling?
Look magus we get it, you probably don't get a lot of attention irl.   

[Tasty]

I think he doesn't like it because it has puzzles, and yeah I guess if you're too much of a dope to figure them out then looking up the answers on a walkthrough might lead to a blander experience.

[Trent Dole]

lulz, magus has pretty much destroyed any credibility he may have had with this one.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Are we seriously entertaining the notion that Magus isn't simply an obnoxious contrarian that far too many of you are guilty of enabling?
Look magus we get it, you probably don't get a lot of attention irl.

he says without a hint of irony

I know I am too, but I generally just stick to nintendo threads. Like I was thinking of trolling the deadpool thread but my heart wasn't in it. And I get attention enough, I just never know what to do with it.

[pickle]

Yeah, ND didn't seem to go through a lot of effort in trying to distinguish the game.

Is this supposed to be set in the same universe as Uncharted?

A surprise cameo appearance by Drake would be so fucking funny.

[magus]

sooo... completely changed colour palette and tile set for everything somehow isn't different enough between two dungeons.  what else have you got here... they reuse those statues a lot, that's true, and the soldiers which are in the overworld, hyrule castle, and uh.... nowhere else somehow appear everywhere in magoose's brain.

i'll give you the appearance of those statues, they're probably in half of the dungeons, but the rest?  you're plain wrong on the soldiers, and i'm not sure how you would visually differentiate two dungeons aside from different colour palettes, tile sets, and enemies.

you are not sure? look at this shit,this is fucking megaman 2



look at all that shit,the clown enemies,the gear,i can recognize instantly this is metal man stage



and this is air man stages,there are cloud in the sky,flying enemies,those weird horned robot,i can recognize this instantly



i have absolutely no fucking idea which part of link to the past is this,because it looks like the rest of the game,there isn't anything to distinguish this screenshot from the other,and the fact that there is a whole enemy or two that appear in that single dungeon,doesn't change this,add the fact that this is what you hear this in every single dungeon and



this really reminds me of when i said "every dungeon in skyrim looks the same and is super bland" and then great rumbler went and posted "BUT THERE IS A  DUNGEON WITH GLOWING MUSHROOM" like apparently that cancels all bajillion of boring repeated stuff that skyrim features

Are we seriously entertaining the notion that Magus isn't simply an obnoxious contrarian that far too many of you are guilty of enabling?
Look magus we get it, you probably don't get a lot of attention irl.

oh pls emcee
i could cause huge shitstorm on the other forum and i'm here causing shit summer rains for you,i mean oscar is a charming fella and all but...
i simply think link to the past isn't that good,it's not bad! but i don't find anything interessing about it and the thing above is one of the reason's,link's awakening has all the weird NPC,those 2D segments,all the gimmicky boss,actual music for each dungeon! here you have... nothing,like you know game center cx,that tv show i run the thread about? they had a link to the past episode,and they showed... the bosses,that's the thing that was apparently the most show worthy

[Takao]

Anyone who thinks Link to the Past is dreadfully boring (at least on the first playthrough) probably has the shittiest tastes in the history of shit.

I'll grant the Zeldas of the last ten years have been pretty snooze-inducing, though.

I have never played that one. Only ones I've given a legit shot have been the ones Nintendo gave me for free for being a 3DS sucker, Ocarina of Time (Virtual Console), and Twilight Princess. I got through more of OoT than Twilight Princess, but that's like very little.

[recursivelyenumerable]

You are insane but not for that reason

[Momo]

Mega man 1 - 3 is fucking awesome

[Himu]

Wow, magus actually made a good point. I don't have a clue where in LttP that is either but those MM stages are instantly recognizable.