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« Reply #360 on: September 26, 2012, 01:08:28 PM »
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Oscar's son is the kid with six Pikachus and I'm the dude trading with myself. And Himu's the pedo.

This is straight out of the Magoose handbook, you realize.
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« Reply #361 on: September 26, 2012, 01:08:28 PM »
People complaining about pokemon games being pokemon games remind me of people complaining about zelda being zelda games.  Like, I usually skip a gen and then hop back in when we get a buttload of new pokemon.  I explore the new region, see new pokemon, appreciate the mechanical refinements and then call it a day.  For reference I skipped pearl and diamond and platinum and the gold/silver remakes.  So I'm not exactly tired of a series I haven't played since the gba.
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« Reply #362 on: September 26, 2012, 01:10:57 PM »
If you came away from this convo that the problem is that Poke'mon games are Poke'mon games, you may need to invest about 1000 bucks into taking a class on Reading Comprehension.
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« Reply #363 on: September 26, 2012, 01:58:30 PM »
No I understand the argument quite well, and what I appreciate is that pokemon sticks to its well worn conventions because for the most part, they work for me. In addition they make several small changes that add up to further refine the experience.  Its the same feeling that japanese people have with say dragon quest which gets labeled as unambitious by people who aren't invested in the series.   Black and White SEEMS like just another pokemon game, but if you're familiar with the series its very streamlined and they get rid a lot of annoyances that I've had for a while.

That being said, gamefreak is notorious for renigging on awesome features they include in one generation and then forget about in the next.  Competitive pokemon battling (which is arguably one of the deepest metagames in existence) require autistic levels of commitment to excel in.  I'm talking hundreds of hours of prep for a single full fledged team. 

If they ever resolve their issues they'll have their magnus opus.
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« Reply #364 on: September 26, 2012, 08:55:07 PM »
OK Himu. I probably should have used the Elder Scrolls series then. I HEAR (:teehee) that series is getting dumbed down with each iteration in addition to being the same old stuff. WHERES THE INNOVASHUN

huh? Skyrim was hardly dumbed down. Anyone who says it is, is a dumbass. In any case, Elder Scrolls isn't the same thing over and over, they have different stuff. Skyrim has a complete retooling of the skill system. Past Elder Scrolls had point allocation, Skyrim allows you to do whatever x amount of times to level up your skills, so doing blacksmithing a lot will raise your blacksmith skill rather than start a new game and allocate points into blacksmith. This changes the entire game because it makes playstyles more fluid. That's hardly dumbed down, because many rpgs have been doing that since the goddamn 80's.


??? Previous Elder Scrolls worked in similar ways, you do things and it levelled up the relative attributes which govern a skill, each attribute has 3 skills. Skyrim did away with the old attributes (where you divided between major and minor) whittling it down to health, magicka and stamina, keeping skills and adding perks. They definitely simplified the old systems a lot (dumbed down if you will) which was good since Oblivions skill system was ridiculously esoteric and grindy and Morrowinds was similar but slightly less distinguished mentally-challenged, not to mention the complexity of getting into alchemy or enchanting. Skyrims simplified systems were nowhere near perfect though, they were really, really abusable; 5 hours into the game you could have a build that would destroy anything on Master without cheating (I didn't mind this since ES is about exploration). Perks were a good addition and taken from their better game (Fallout 3) but the 'constellation' menu has to be one of the worst examples of form over function in menu design I've ever seen, I remember Todd Howard going on about how they took design cues from Apple.... lol. tl;dr they just replaced the old attributes system with perks, but their thin layer of polish hardly covered the fact it was just as broken if not more so than previous ES games.

Then again, I'm talking to a guy who described Morrowind as wanky.. What the hell does that even mean? For a series that should excel in exploration Morrowind was the only game in the series that really nailed it. So in that sense Skyrim was most definitely dumbed down.
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« Reply #365 on: September 26, 2012, 10:36:52 PM »
Hardly a kick. I was just trying to find out whether you actually believed him or were just using it in your argument.

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« Reply #366 on: September 26, 2012, 10:54:07 PM »
As usual, my attempts to find a middle ground have resulted in one of the dogs biting me (and my son too this time for a change), so I have no idea why I bother. 

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« Reply #367 on: September 26, 2012, 10:58:58 PM »
OK Himu. I probably should have used the Elder Scrolls series then. I HEAR (:teehee) that series is getting dumbed down with each iteration in addition to being the same old stuff. WHERES THE INNOVASHUN

huh? Skyrim was hardly dumbed down. Anyone who says it is, is a dumbass. In any case, Elder Scrolls isn't the same thing over and over, they have different stuff. Skyrim has a complete retooling of the skill system. Past Elder Scrolls had point allocation, Skyrim allows you to do whatever x amount of times to level up your skills, so doing blacksmithing a lot will raise your blacksmith skill rather than start a new game and allocate points into blacksmith. This changes the entire game because it makes playstyles more fluid. That's hardly dumbed down, because many rpgs have been doing that since the goddamn 80's.


??? Previous Elder Scrolls worked in similar ways, you do things and it levelled up the relative attributes which govern a skill, each attribute has 3 skills. Skyrim did away with the old attributes (where you divided between major and minor) whittling it down to health, magicka and stamina, keeping skills and adding perks. They definitely simplified the old systems a lot (dumbed down if you will) which was good since Oblivions skill system was ridiculously esoteric and grindy and Morrowinds was similar but slightly less distinguished mentally-challenged, not to mention the complexity of getting into alchemy or enchanting. Skyrims simplified systems were nowhere near perfect though, they were really, really abusable; 5 hours into the game you could have a build that would destroy anything on Master without cheating (I didn't mind this since ES is about exploration). Perks were a good addition and taken from their better game (Fallout 3) but the 'constellation' menu has to be one of the worst examples of form over function in menu design I've ever seen, I remember Todd Howard going on about how they took design cues from Apple.... lol. tl;dr they just replaced the old attributes system with perks, but their thin layer of polish hardly covered the fact it was just as broken if not more so than previous ES games.

Then again, I'm talking to a guy who described Morrowind as wanky.. What the hell does that even mean? For a series that should excel in exploration Morrowind was the only game in the series that really nailed it. So in that sense Skyrim was most definitely dumbed down.

I've had a completely different experience with Skyrim and prefer Skyrim to Morrowind. I find Skyrim rewards exploration better than Morrowind, and I played 60 hours of Skyrim and still have trouble with my archer build. But more than that, your argument is not convincing. More simplistic does not equate to dumbed down. Dumbed down is taking out options and features to make a game feel more anorexic in terms of depth and customization, especially in regards to rpgs. Skyrim does NOT in any way offer LESS options. Dumbing down is Baldur's Gate 2 allowing you to customize your characters shit from alignment (which ranges from chaotic, neutral, chaotic neutral, lawful;etc), race and more to KOTOR and Mass Effect's only allowing you to play as a human with a crappy alignment system that only allows for two ( or even a gray-ish third) playstyle.

THAT is dumbing down. Does Skyrim still allow you to do same shit you could do in Morrowind except not force you to allocate numbers? Yes? Then it's not dumbed down, it's just a more simplistic and more fluid example of the same exact play style/

When did I say Morrowind was wanky? I don't even know what you're talking about. Continuing from Morrowind, Morrowind has a crappy JANKY (I think you mean) battle system that is action-based and yet turn based. Swinging your sword at a mud crab that you SO TOTALLY HIT and miss because of the roll of the dice is retardo, and saying that Skyrim is in any way a neutered version of that is asinine.
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« Reply #368 on: September 26, 2012, 11:37:57 PM »
I've had a completely different experience with Skyrim and prefer Skyrim to Morrowind. I find Skyrim rewards exploration better than Morrowind, and I played 60 hours of Skyrim and still have trouble with my archer build. But more than that, your argument is not convincing. More simplistic does not equate to dumbed down. Dumbed down is taking out less options, especially in regards to rpgs. Skyrim does NOT in any way offer LESS options. Dumbing down is Baldur's Gate 2 allowing you to customize your characters shit from alignment (which ranges from chaotic, neutral, chaotic neutral, lawful;etc), race and more to KOTOR and Mass Effect's only allowing you to play as a human with a crappy alignment system that only allows for two ( or even a gray-ish third) playstyle.

THAT is dumbing down. Does Skyrim still allow you to do same shit you could do in Morrowind except not force you to allocate numbers? Yes? Then it's not dumbed down, it's just a more simplistic and more fluid example of the same exact play style/

I don't think the levelling system is dumbed down, just simplified, I put dumbed down in brackets as this is why a lot of people describe it as dumbed down. And really they're more or less synonyms depending on how you want to describe the game. The perks system offers more gameplay because you get dem abilities. I think the exploration is dumbed down as in the world is smaller, the questlines are shorter and lamer and the world just isn't as good. I'm also a real sucker for just being thrown into a world with very little direction, this contributes to the exploration. Skyrims main quest is really thrust upon you, and on top of that it's not very good like most of the other questlines, but some people really liked that teh game was more directed. Morrowinds approach was really open, and I found the emergent story really satisfying because of this, I also find the world more interesting with better questlines, but hey there's a lot of subjective stuff here. I'm a real sucker for good games with little to no handholding and a few esoteric mechanics thrown in the mix just to seemingly fuck with you (to an extent I enjoyed Oblivions stupid levelling system).

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When did I say Morrowind was wanky? I don't even know what you're talking about.

Ok well I got it half right (it was a long time ago). You think it's boring wank, which I half understand

uhhhhhhh mostly everyone in the thread has been lambasting oblivion and loves skyrim.

gg bebpo

For the recrod, I think Morrowind is boring wank, Oblivion is ok, and Fallout 3 was great but nothing amazing. Skyrim, however, is the best damn rpg in years and objectively the best game I've played all year along Portal 2, Saints Row The Third and Tactics Ogre. What in the hell are you talking about? Have you read impressions of the game like, at all?

Don't get me wrong I like Skyrim but Morrowind and Fallout 3 are my favourites so far, just thought I'd explain why I think it's valid to say Skyrim is dumbed down relative to previous entries and they all have some pretty serious flaws.
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« Reply #369 on: September 26, 2012, 11:39:54 PM »
Read my edit!

Morrowind's not really boring. It's mostly just not fun to play for me, especially if combat is concerned.
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« Reply #370 on: September 26, 2012, 11:50:21 PM »
Read my edit!

Morrowind's not really boring. It's mostly just not fun to play for me, especially if combat is concerned.

Yeah I did find the combat kind of fun for a bit in Skyrim. But I find character progression and exploration in ES games A LOT more fun and once you get a little ways in sword and board in Morrowind is fine, Skyrim may be better but it's still a jankfest. I went dual wielding and Archery, and yeah Archery was fun for a bit but it's just not really what I'm judging an ES game on.
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« Reply #371 on: September 27, 2012, 12:00:35 AM »
I think Skyrim exploration is great since you're constantly finding stuff. The character progression is also fun. I just can't say it's "dumbed down" with a straight face. More streamlined? Sure, but I can't say it's dumbed down because it offers so much depth in the way of customization and exploration for me.
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« Reply #372 on: September 27, 2012, 12:04:07 AM »
i notice there is currently a running theme in the two handheld threads
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« Reply #373 on: September 27, 2012, 12:07:59 AM »
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« Reply #375 on: September 27, 2012, 08:31:17 AM »
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« Reply #376 on: September 27, 2012, 09:13:27 AM »
Well, I'm not buying it.
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« Reply #377 on: September 27, 2012, 09:15:28 AM »
Pfffft, casual.
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« Reply #378 on: October 02, 2012, 09:58:29 PM »
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« Reply #379 on: October 02, 2012, 10:14:44 PM »
i get what Nintendo are doing here - i can also see the surrounding noise but here's the simple thing :

in a burning inferno, Nintendo in an attempt to save their base would -happily- through hardcore gamers on the fire to save any other demographic they are interested in.

So quite why people are suddenly upset about this notion is beyond me : Nintendo's "hardcore chasing" is a token effort to try to pull people in - if the first batch of overpriced third party ports fail then who else is going to bother?

... then i remember i am dealing with a fanbase thinking they are getting GTA5, Diablo 3, Half life 3, Starcraft 3, WoW, Dark Souls 2, etc etc as console exclusives... which is even more amusing b[shotbyninja]
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« Reply #380 on: October 03, 2012, 11:24:08 AM »
Picked up Tales of the Abyss cuz I CAN

I think all I want now is Devil Survivor Overclocked and I'm caught up on releases.
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« Reply #381 on: October 03, 2012, 11:25:57 AM »
Code of Princess is 4-player online, we gonna do this?
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« Reply #382 on: October 03, 2012, 11:28:43 AM »
Not really. Game looks like doodoo. Sorry chubby hubby.
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« Reply #383 on: October 03, 2012, 11:43:57 AM »
Playing through TotA now demi. Gimme your thoughts when you have them.

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« Reply #384 on: October 03, 2012, 11:46:15 AM »
i've already played ps2 version. game rox.

i'm still trudging through Zelda, i've become super slow at pecking at my 3DS.
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« Reply #385 on: October 03, 2012, 11:54:57 AM »
Code of Princess is 4-player online, we gonna do this?

Sure, let's give it a try.
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« Reply #386 on: October 03, 2012, 12:03:06 PM »
i've already played ps2 version. game rox.

I'm five hours in. It gets better right?

Game throws around unexplained terms more than the entirety of Eureka 7 and the main char/cheeseburger is an unlikeable douche (probably on purpose, but he goes so far beyond that to unbelievable.)

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« Reply #387 on: October 03, 2012, 12:15:52 PM »
yes, he is whiny cuz of his upbringing.
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« Reply #388 on: October 03, 2012, 12:26:52 PM »
The anime cliches are starting to be too much for me.

"People die when they are killed! Killing is bad, so I won't do it! Until gameplay dictates that I have to. Then I shall."

<insert Loli coming onto the 17-year old with all the transparency of a street hooker. Oh and she's also the bodyguard for the most important person in diplomatic relations. So wacky!>

<insert ostensibly non-gay dude being afraid of girls for no real reason. So wacky!>

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« Reply #389 on: October 03, 2012, 12:28:01 PM »
This must be your first JRPG

Sorry breh, no arguments here.
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« Reply #390 on: October 03, 2012, 12:28:52 PM »
This must be your first JRPG

Just my first post-PS2 console one. I wasn't prepared for how much the worst anime tropes had infected the genre.

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« Reply #391 on: October 03, 2012, 12:29:26 PM »
No, he's played Pokémon.
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« Reply #392 on: October 03, 2012, 12:31:41 PM »
Tales has always been like this. It's a series aimed at young twee Japa boys and girls.
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« Reply #393 on: October 03, 2012, 12:32:51 PM »
No, he's played Pokémon.

I now realize how blessed I am that Pokemon ignores crap like this.

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« Reply #394 on: October 03, 2012, 12:39:38 PM »
Pokemon is also aimed at young twee japa boys and girls. Only magnified tenfold.
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« Reply #395 on: October 03, 2012, 12:40:22 PM »
TotA is garbage. don't waste anymore hours into andrex. play devil survivor oc instead
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« Reply #396 on: October 03, 2012, 12:41:19 PM »
Pokemon - doesnt change for over a decade ITS CoOL

JRPG is a JRPG - WTF GARBAGE
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« Reply #397 on: October 03, 2012, 12:41:23 PM »
You're garbage, ho
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« Reply #398 on: October 03, 2012, 12:44:54 PM »
Pokemon is also aimed at young twee japa boys and girls. Only magnified tenfold.

And it doesn't play like an anime, (ironic, since it has one of the most popular anime tie-ins ever.) So TotA has no excuse! :maf

TotA is garbage. don't waste anymore hours into andrex. play devil survivor oc instead

I kinda dig the battle system though. And I kinda have to play it since it was recommended by a friend...

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« Reply #399 on: October 03, 2012, 12:50:36 PM »
Battle system is fine for about 20 hours. Then its boring. And you try to keep playing because you've wasted so much time. And then about hour 35 you say fuck it and stop playing because the story and characters are so bad and not even the decent battle system you've already become bored with can keep you playing anymore
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« Reply #400 on: October 03, 2012, 12:51:33 PM »
just watch the anime instead and tell your friend the game was fine
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« Reply #401 on: October 03, 2012, 12:53:46 PM »
You're garbage, ho

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jus kiddin im garbage its cool
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« Reply #402 on: October 03, 2012, 12:55:04 PM »
I was telling Huff he is garbage.
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« Reply #403 on: October 03, 2012, 01:24:54 PM »
i luv it when you talk dirty to me
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« Reply #404 on: October 03, 2012, 01:28:21 PM »
tales of the abyss is atrocious.
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« Reply #405 on: October 03, 2012, 01:29:54 PM »
You're also atrocious and you drop more cliche than Luke
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« Reply #406 on: October 03, 2012, 01:32:39 PM »
How you enjoying dat middling technobabble in TotA, Demi?
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« Reply #407 on: October 03, 2012, 01:49:55 PM »
I find it enjoyable and it caters to my interests

I also find talk of Eridium, Vault Keys and imaginary companies in Borderlands 2 enjoyable too
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« Reply #408 on: October 03, 2012, 03:30:44 PM »
The seventh fonon was caused by Yulia's score, and combined with the Grand Maester and Fon Master to create a hyperresonance seventh swell effect. #WRITING

just watch the anime instead and tell your friend the game was fine

Lol, that's like the opposite of what I want. If TotA was 100% gameplay and they left the story/"characters" to the anime I'd probably like it a lot more.

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« Reply #409 on: October 03, 2012, 03:32:04 PM »
I really don't get how that's an issue. This seems like the only game where people have an issue with this.
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« Reply #410 on: October 03, 2012, 03:42:03 PM »
The Order of Lorelei uses Fon Slots and Fonic Artes, accessed from the Fon Belt through Sephiroth, who actually didn't kill Aeris but wears a Fonic Belt with twelve zippers.
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« Reply #411 on: October 03, 2012, 03:43:13 PM »
Still sounds pretty Japanese. This seems like something you should be posting on Google+ ironically.
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« Reply #412 on: October 03, 2012, 04:04:50 PM »
Abyss definitely had one of the more interesting stories of the Tales games, the sluggish world map was holding it back but I'm guessing they fixed it in the 3DS release? :bow Tales series :bow2
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« Reply #413 on: October 03, 2012, 11:13:34 PM »
Lonely single women Tales fans? Shit... I'm game.

Back to 3DS talk... just beat the 8-crown world in 3DLand, effectively finishing all the game has to offer. Very good game, I daresay this is my favorite of the 3D Marios. No extraneous bullshit like the 3D games are known to have, it really captures the quick pacing of Mario 3 but throws it into a 3D game. It gets quite challenging at certain parts, like whenever Black Mario shows up.
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« Reply #414 on: October 03, 2012, 11:36:59 PM »
Lonely single [crazy] women, tiesto
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« Reply #415 on: October 04, 2012, 01:12:06 AM »
Namco has only proven their mastery of storytelling in one series and that's TEKKEN

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« Reply #416 on: October 04, 2012, 09:07:16 AM »
Etrian 4 finally confirmed for next year

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« Reply #417 on: October 04, 2012, 09:11:02 AM »
Where's "Fight" and "Heal"?
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« Reply #418 on: October 04, 2012, 09:14:03 AM »
They will live on in your big heart, chubby hubby
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« Reply #419 on: October 04, 2012, 09:45:09 AM »
Why did you decide to get a North American 3DS?