another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD

[Mupepe]

yeah well - almost by definition they are opposed to government of any kind so no pleasing 'em

Yep.  If they won't compromise or be realistic then fuck 'em.  Let them have no say in legislation.  But I think most reasonable gun owners can agree that additional hurdles are needed for ownership and America is sorely in need of education regarding guns.  If we're going to have them so common then access to this education should be easily accessible too.  And it's not only gun owners that need education.  Watching the news or hell, reading the thread on GAF shows how out of touch most Americans are with them.  Local news last night was talking about "Semi Automatic weapons like the ones here" while showing video clips of people shooting fully automatics.  It's rage inducing. 

[huckleberry]

https://twitter.com/davidfrum

How did this guy go from being a giant cunt to this?

[Human Snorenado]

https://twitter.com/davidfrum

How did this guy go from being a giant cunt to this?

He's still mostly a cunt, there's just money to be made being "the sensible Republican"

[huckleberry]

https://twitter.com/davidfrum

How did this guy go from being a giant cunt to this?

He's still mostly a cunt, there's just money to be made being "the sensible Republican"

goddammit I always forget about the money angle....probably why I am still a dirty poor.

[Phoenix Dark]

right - so if someone bigger, more trained, stronger gets into a fist fight with you you just go hand to hand and take a kicking? Or,as per cormac's quip, does the knife come out?

fuuuuuck no.  I don't really know what I would do but I definitely wouldn't kill him. the knife I wear every day is going to only ever be used for utility (and it gets used, a lot, it looks like something that would belong to Boba Fett).  pulling out a knife when the other dude has his fists out is called escalation of force and is illegal. if somebody pulled a knife on me I would run, if I couldn't get away you bet I would shoot him deader than a hammer.

You would run if someone pulled a knife on you? What a pussy

[Human Snorenado]

right - so if someone bigger, more trained, stronger gets into a fist fight with you you just go hand to hand and take a kicking? Or,as per cormac's quip, does the knife come out?

fuuuuuck no.  I don't really know what I would do but I definitely wouldn't kill him. the knife I wear every day is going to only ever be used for utility (and it gets used, a lot, it looks like something that would belong to Boba Fett).  pulling out a knife when the other dude has his fists out is called escalation of force and is illegal. if somebody pulled a knife on me I would run, if I couldn't get away you bet I would shoot him deader than a hammer.

You would run if someone pulled a knife on you? What a pussy

bish plz, your punk ass won't even go to brooklyn cause some fool might want to curb stomp you

[Positive Touch]

I don't feel like I should have to justify my want (not need) to have one. but since you asked nicely (thank you for that, honestly) I'll say that because guns are one of my favorite hobbies. it's like asking a guy who watches Top Gear religiously why he wants to buy a Porsche 911 avec le turbocharger.  I enjoy the history, weird Russian quirks, and the home project factor of the particular platform.  there are so many things you can do to an AK. I'd like to order stuff online, track it, get excited for when it comes to my door, then get my hands greasy and work on it in my garage at night with the radio on when I come home from my shitty job.

this honestly might be the most embarrassing thing said in this entire thread

scratch that, it is

childish entitlement uber alles

[DCharlieJP]

right - so if someone bigger, more trained, stronger gets into a fist fight with you you just go hand to hand and take a kicking? Or,as per cormac's quip, does the knife come out?

fuuuuuck no.  I don't really know what I would do but I definitely wouldn't kill him. the knife I wear every day is going to only ever be used for utility (and it gets used, a lot, it looks like something that would belong to Boba Fett).  pulling out a knife when the other dude has his fists out is called escalation of force and is illegal. if somebody pulled a knife on me I would run, if I couldn't get away you bet I would shoot him deader than a hammer.

You would run if someone pulled a knife on you? What a pussy

What would you do , She-Ra?

[chronovore]

this is a stupid question, but i'm going to (edit) ASK it anyways

As gun owners, if you get into, say, a verbal argument that then escalates where someone who could clearly kick the fuck out of you is going to -actually- kick the fuck out of you - do you immediately reach for your piece and start blasting/threatening/etc? (hypothetical)

It's just that i'm sure 99.9999999% of the borian brits/euros/arabians etc have probably gotten into multiple fist fights that ended with, well, fist fights. I just wonder what the cut off point is if you are actually carrying a piece and does this not expand the usual phenomenon of "no backdown"? In the UK that means you have no way out but to fist fight - but for you guys? Answer depending it seems the consequences are guaranteed to be much more severe.

Are you referring to this huckleberry?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/pizza-shooter-claims-stand-ground-article-1.1225019

[Great Rumbler]

this is a stupid question, but i'm going to (edit) ASK it anyways

As gun owners, if you get into, say, a verbal argument that then escalates where someone who could clearly kick the fuck out of you is going to -actually- kick the fuck out of you - do you immediately reach for your piece and start blasting/threatening/etc? (hypothetical)

It's just that i'm sure 99.9999999% of the borian brits/euros/arabians etc have probably gotten into multiple fist fights that ended with, well, fist fights. I just wonder what the cut off point is if you are actually carrying a piece and does this not expand the usual phenomenon of "no backdown"? In the UK that means you have no way out but to fist fight - but for you guys? Answer depending it seems the consequences are guaranteed to be much more severe.

Are you referring to this huckleberry?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/pizza-shooter-claims-stand-ground-article-1.1225019

George Zimmerman/Treyvon Martin

[Shadow Mod]

Tired of the ban all guns/they're taking away our guns dichotomy. The people who put forth the idea for a blanket ban on everything should fucking know better too. 

[Human Snorenado]

THE SUFFERAGE OF WOMENS HAS GONE ON FOR TOO LONG, WE MUST BAN IT FOREVER

[Phoenix Dark]

right - so if someone bigger, more trained, stronger gets into a fist fight with you you just go hand to hand and take a kicking? Or,as per cormac's quip, does the knife come out?

fuuuuuck no.  I don't really know what I would do but I definitely wouldn't kill him. the knife I wear every day is going to only ever be used for utility (and it gets used, a lot, it looks like something that would belong to Boba Fett).  pulling out a knife when the other dude has his fists out is called escalation of force and is illegal. if somebody pulled a knife on me I would run, if I couldn't get away you bet I would shoot him deader than a hammer.

You would run if someone pulled a knife on you? What a pussy

What would you do , She-Ra?

Assuming I was drew and had a legal, concealed handgun? I'd shoot whoever came at me with a knife. Then I'd wait for the police

[benjipwns]

[drew]

you have way too much faith in the effectiveness of pistol rounds, kemosabe.  i'd love to see YFW you pop through your 5 round ccw piece in like 1.5 secs and dude is still coming at you.

[Great Rumbler]

The nation might be in a better position to act if medical and public health researchers had continued to study these issues as diligently as some of us did between 1985 and 1997. But in 1996, pro-gun members of Congress mounted an all-out effort to eliminate the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Although they failed to defund the center, the House of Representatives removed $2.6 million from the CDC's budget—precisely the amount the agency had spent on firearm injury research the previous year. Funding was restored in joint conference committee, but the money was earmarked for traumatic brain injury. The effect was sharply reduced support for firearm injury research.

To ensure that the CDC and its grantees got the message, the following language was added to the final appropriation: “none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control.”

Precisely what was or was not permitted under the clause was unclear. But no federal employee was willing to risk his or her career or the agency's funding to find out. Extramural support for firearm injury prevention research quickly dried up. Even today, 17 years after this legislative action, the CDC's website lacks specific links to information about preventing firearm-related violence.

When other agencies funded high-quality research, similar action was taken. In 2009, Branas et al published the results of a case-control study that examined whether carrying a gun increases or decreases the risk of firearm assault. In contrast to earlier research, this particular study was funded by the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism. Two years later, Congress extended the restrictive language it had previously applied to the CDC to all Department of Health and Human Services agencies, including the National Institutes of Health

 

[drew]

since some of you seem to like them stats yo

[Joe Molotov]

There's a 99% chance that you won't even be gunned down in the streets, why u mad, libs?

[ToxicAdam]

If we can sell 10 times as many guns than we can drive that number even higher.

[Himu]

since some of you seem to like them stats yo

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You know you're trans when you see an attractive woman and you think holy shit "I love her coat it looks so good on her! And, nice shoes! Very nice hair! Even the ear pieces fit her outfit. I wish I could wear that outfit" Rather than "I want to fuck her brains out"

It didn't even move.

[Himu]

Omg I missed her watch. I love her watch.

[drew]

I thought you just liked dick? did you always want to dress like a woman? did you try on your Mom's panties and heels when she wasn't home? I'm fascinated.

oh and there's this thing: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-british-citizen-piers-morgan-attacking-2nd-amendment/prfh5zHD

which I just signed, needs under 4,000 more sigs until the pres has to address it, after watching that cunt on TV over the past week it felt good to make my voice heard in some way.

[DCharlieJP]

lol, is that THIS Bastiat Institute ?

http://www.bastiatinstitute.org/

Oh drew.... have you read the contents?

which I just signed, needs under 4,000 more sigs until the pres has to address it, after watching that cunt on TV over the past week it felt good to make my voice heard in some way.

you know - i whole heartedly agree that Morgan is a S+ Class walking clatch of a man and our "loss" was you lots "gain" - but i'm going to guess that (Bastiat Institute Stats) 99.8% of people signing this are the same mongberts who scream "becaz hes a maslam!" and "Obama Naza Brown Shirt setting up death camps/tax horrors/etc" and "This is amurka - i can say what i want, it's my god given right!"

BUT A CUNT ON TV IS SAYING SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE! DEPORT HIM!

Makes you look like a bunch of pant wetting brainless fucking wurzels.

[benjipwns]

needs under 4,000 more sigs until the pres has to address it

Or he could just ignore it like many of the other petitions that have reached the threshold and received no responses.

[DCharlieJP]

oh man - this petition page is hilarious

Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White countries for EVERYBODY?

White countries are being flooded with third world non-whites, and Whites are required by law to integrate with them so as to "assimilate," i.e. intermarry and be blended out of existence.

That's genocide under the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article II, part c, which designates as genocide:

HOLY FUCKING SHIT.

Supporting White Genocide is not anti-racist. It's anti-white.

the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck?

Oh and it looks like the petition to build the death star in 2016 has the Morgan thing beat

[Phoenix Dark]

But I thought libertarians were incapable of being racist

[drew]

I'm a Libertarian and admittedly am more racist than you're average bro (love you though himuboo )

oh and only 600 more signatures needed for that petition!

[TakingBackSunday]

figures, libartarian who's fairly racist is also an avid gun-lover

[headwalk]

I'm a Libertarian and admittedly am more racist than you're average bro (love you though himuboo )

oh and only 600 more signatures needed for that petition!

britain will sail over, burn down the white house (again) and tear up the constitution before accepting that acrid cuntstench back in to her green and pleasant land.

[Great Rumbler]

oh and only 600 more signatures needed for that petition!

Obama will not respond to that and you just wasted a tiny slice of your life sticking your name on a petition that whines about a TV commentator expressing an opinion. Reflect, please.

[drew]

"expressing an opinion" is that what you call it? I call it attempted subversion of the American public.

[Great Rumbler]

Which is protected under the 1st amendment, last time I checked.

[Joe Molotov]

This thread is attempted subversion of the Evilbore public.

[Barry Egan]

Which is protected under the 1st amendment, last time I checked.

The second amendment is so important that we will just have to do away with the first amendment to protect it.  That's called keeping America safe son.

[Human Snorenado]

Guys, CONSTITUTION.  Because it's an infallible document that has never needed revising and totally didn't originally count black people as 3/5 of a person for their owner, or not allow women to vote.

[headwalk]

Guys, CONSTITUTION.  Because it's an infallible document that has never needed revising and totally didn't originally count black people as 3/5 of a person for their owner, or not allow women to vote.

my irony gland swells into a suffocating tumour every time i hear someone defend the infallibility of an amendment.

[Dickie Dee]

guys you better be nice or else drew will go Galt on us, depriving society of his rich contributions

doesn't he live with his parents?

[Mandark]

since some of you seem to like them stats yo

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/59996_10151306288902726_851489340_n.png

Shockingly, those stats don't hold up if you check on them.  If you can't trust the visual equivalent of a chain email, who can you trust?

[drew]

guys you better be nice or else drew will go Galt on us, depriving society of his rich contributions

[Phoenix Dark]

(repost from the politics thread)

Interesting round table on gun control/safety (skip the first few minutes of fiscal cliff bullshit)
http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/roundtable-week-politics-18050022

Booker is like a shark on a mountain completely out of his element. I'm not some major fan of his, but it was stunning watching him cut through Beltway bullshit as the other hosts continued to repeat the same talking points over and over again.

Eliminating specific guns, or even specific ammunition, will not solve gun violence; I support regulations in both areas while recognizing they are not the most important part of this puzzle. It's the most polarizing way to address the issue and arguing over it ensures nothing will get done. Requiring background checks by eliminating gun show loopholes would help immensely, the vast majority of people agree on it, etc; that should be the focus. I hope this gun debate doesn't end up dying on a hill because half the country thinks any ban on guns violates the second amendment, but that's going to happen

I like talking shit to Drew but at the end of the day he is a responsible legal gun owner, and not the problem here. Yet Drew has objected to every idea about gun control on constitutional (lol) grounds. Out of curiosity I would ask you: do you think people should be required to go through a background check before being able to purchase a gun. 80% of gun owners agree with that, and about 75% of NRA members agree as well.

It makes no sense that a potential terrorist can't board a plane but can buy a gun with complete ease.

[DCharlieJP]

Again - repeating a past post but i as in Florida as the Beltway stuff was wrapping up - also this was during the Terri Braindamaged woman thing , as an aside.... but anyways, we watched one item late at night that completely told a down to earth based-on-facts account of the motives, the training, the hiring of the second shooter (the kid), the "kill wife in amongst the group" plot... everything was perfectly explained.

As that programme ended the advert for the next programme was about how "Halo made the shooters killers" - it was just insanity. Why follow up 30 minutes of actual journalistic investigation and facts with a 30 minute fart-out-of-your-arseothon?

Then after that it was Bush going on about "us christians err on the side of life" ... #facepalm

the next morning got worse when i was told i looked like Chris fucking Tarrent by some guy with a claw as a hand.

But anyways.

[Barry Egan]

since some of you seem to like them stats yo

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http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html

1. Where there are more guns there is more homicide (literature review).

Our review of the academic literature found that a broad array of evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for homicide, both in the United States and across high-income countries.  Case-control studies, ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes, cities, states and regions in the US, where there are more guns, both men and women are at higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide.

Hepburn, Lisa; Hemenway, David. Firearm availability and homicide: A review of the literature. Aggression and Violent Behavior: A Review Journal. 2004; 9:417-40.


2. Across high-income nations, more guns = more homicide.

We analyzed the relationship between homicide and gun availability using data from 26 developed countries from the early 1990s.  We found that across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides. These results often hold even when the United States is excluded.

Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew. Firearm availability and homicide rates across 26 high income countries. Journal of Trauma. 2000; 49:985-88.


3. Across states, more guns = more homicide

Using a validated proxy for firearm ownership, we analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and homicide across 50 states over a ten year period (1988-1997).

After controlling for poverty and urbanization, for every age group, people in states with many guns have elevated rates of homicide, particularly firearm homicide.

Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. Household firearm ownership levels and homicide rates across U.S. regions and states, 1988-1997. American Journal of Public Health. 2002: 92:1988-1993.


4. Across states, more guns = more homicide (2)

Using survey data on rates of household gun ownership, we examined the association between gun availability and homicide across states, 2001-2003. We found that states with higher levels of household gun ownership had higher rates of firearm homicide and overall homicide.  This relationship held for both genders and all age groups, after accounting for rates of aggravated assault, robbery, unemployment, urbanization, alcohol consumption, and resource deprivation (e.g., poverty). There was no association between gun prevalence and non-firearm homicide.

Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. State-level homicide victimization rates in the U.S. in relation to survey measures of household firearm ownership, 2001-2003. Social Science and Medicine. 2007; 64:656-64.

http://election.princeton.edu/2012/12/22/scientific-americans-gun-error/

Based on statistics on gun ownership and deaths, the overall tendency is clear:

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The three states with the highest rate of gun ownership (MT, AK, WY) have a gun death rate of 17.8 per 100,000, over 4 times that of the three lowest-ownership states (HI, NJ, MA; 4.0 gun deaths per 100,000). The relationship is a near-perfect linear proportion: on average, as G goes up, D goes up (r=+0.63). These data suggest that whether or not our society finds it desirable, gun safety/control is a plausible means of reducing gun deaths.

A striking aspect of this graph is that the rate of gun ownership varies by almost tenfold across states. Residents of different states are in very different environments, gunwise. When opponents of regulation, who are usually in gun-rich states, say that a sufficiently-determined evildoer could get a gun even under a heavy regulatory regime, that could be correct. Think of this measure as an index of “gun culture.”

[Phoenix Dark]

[Joe Molotov]

Sandy Hooks Truthers

[DCharlieJP]

Lol - some tinfoil hat dickhead went on about 9/11 being completely staged in front of the wife one time. Other than the fact that we lost people who work at the same firm in the second impact (somewhat hard to fake) her school friend was on board the first plane.

You know... she's pretty dead.

Nervous laughter and unusual behaviour in times of extreme trauma are well documented events.

But hey - fucking journalism! It's all some fake thing - was probably the government. Oh yeah, and 4 people from the firm directly affected by this. Probably just some faked up stuff.

Seriously - next time these people cross the road i hope they don't bother looking.


Actually - recently on my walk to work i passed by the strinkened minister to China - i was a few minutes away from possibly being the first responder. He looked dead at that point but apparently made it to the hospital where he died. Then i hear some dickhead go on about how it was faked so he didn't have to deal with the stress of dealing with China. Fucking fucking dickheads. We need a purge.

[Joe Molotov]

These people think that the people in the airplanes were flown out to some top-secret location and then locked away in FEMA camps, so we'd never find out they are really still alive. There's no limit to their delusions, DC.

[Great Rumbler]

We're at the point where no one should be surprised by the kinds of things people choose to believe.

[benjipwns]

both aurora and Sandy Hook were referenced in the Batman move dark knight rises

[drew]

evidently sandy hook is written on map as a place that was also in the previous movie, what i'd really like to know is if the area was named something else before.

[drew]

"Sandy" because when you get sand in your eye your body produces tears, and "Hook" because OBAMA wants to yank assault weapons off the national stage with his hypothetical cane.  OH MY GOD.

[Groogrux]

"Sandy" as in the sand that the actors were on during the Omaha Beach scene in Saving Private Ryan, and "Hook" as in the movie "Hook" both directed by Steven Spielberg.

both directed by Steven Spielberg.

by Steven Spielberg.

Steven Spielberg

Oh. My. God.

[Joe Molotov]

Who is a Jew.

[Don Flamenco]

If you take the "j" and turn it into a "g," the "e" and turn it into a "u," and the "w" and turn it into a "n," it spells G-U-N.  GUN.  The very same thing used to kill the children at Sandy Hook. 

I'M NOT SAYING THE JEWS ARE IN ON IT, I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS.  JEW = GUN? 

[Great Rumbler]

Jaws = A maniacal creature bent on destroying white Americans

It was directed by Steven Spielberg

Jaws

What do you get if you change one letter?

Jews

Steven Spielberg is a Jew.

...

[Groogrux]

They're all going to get us with their Jew guns!  Best we prepare ourselves!

LEPER BEBPO!  (Sorry, buddy.  I know we were Secret Santa's and all, but I have nothing to defend myself against your Jew gun.)

Now that I think about it, Jew gun sounds a lot like Gundam...

[Tasty]

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i am A GAMER

[Don Flamenco]

Guys, i made up some shirts for us that say "I am a GAMER" on them, so we can protest this injustice in solidarity

[Great Rumbler]

DON'T TRY TO PUT A LABEL ON ME, DON

[drew]

deportation petition is now at 64,000 signatures.  Merry Christmas Piers!

[Great Rumbler]

deportation petition is now at 64,000 signatures.  Merry Christmas Piers!

I'm sure he's really broken up about that, probably can't even sleep at night. He just cries and cries, because 64,000 people don't like his views on gun control.