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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
« Reply #23460 on: November 14, 2016, 03:26:23 PM »
Here's an idea. Instead of normalizing "both sides are the same" fuckery (i.e. the "bubble" nonsense) or crying over a loss how about you nominate a candidate people actually like in 2020, who isn't dealing with an idiotic scandal of her own design due to not giving a fuck.

I lived through the Bush years. Congrats, we have another republican president who most voters voted against. In fact we still live in a reality where republicans have won the popular vote ONCE since 1992. So stop crying and find another Bill or Obama, i.e. candidates who the base loves and will show up for.

Fuckin babies I swear
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But isn't the problem that the Dems rely on fielding a charismatic candidate to win (and to win only the White House, mostly, since they lost a ton a offices in the last 6 years) ?
Finding a charismatic candidate is easier said than done, otherwise parties (and their militants who vote in primaries !) would field just that instead of Kerry, McCain, Romney or Clinton... It's basically reducing politics to luck of the draw or rolling a dice. Obama emerged as a contender fairly close to the primary cycle, didn't he ?

The real problem of the Democrats is that they rely on a "coalition" (a base) that need to come out in large numbers where it matters and can't be trusted to, it seems. They are confident that the demographic shift will favor them, but it's a future solution, not one for right now (and that's betting on keeping a strong hold on future latino votes). They need to widen their base and appeal to other demographics : they don't need to "win" those, just shifting a few points in their favor will do. It is also my understanding that for many offices in deep red land, Republicans run unopposed and that sound like madness to me.

In the immediate future, it doesn't make a lot of sense to pick theorical candidates for 2020 (we saw all the good a so called "deep bench" had in the GOP primaries...), Dems will have to focus on rebuilding on the ground and must mobilize around concrete issues like defending the ACA if needed.

Not a US citizen, please disregard if wrong. :yeshrug
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agrajag

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« Reply #23461 on: November 14, 2016, 03:29:02 PM »
Most of the original colonists and pilgrims came here in their adulthood from another country.

The name of that country?
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Great Brittain  :gbcry
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Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #23462 on: November 14, 2016, 03:32:42 PM »
Democrats going with another establishment pick would very well force the base to stay home again.

Democrats have a userbase problem. This userbase doesn't come out to vote during mid-terms and they didn't come out to vote this election. 6 million democrats stayed home this election. But apparently we need to concentrate on finding the next Obama or Clinton. :snoop Democrats first call to action, besides gaining a more progressive DNC chair, should be to find out why their base doesn't come out to mid-terms and how to win elections.
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« Reply #23463 on: November 14, 2016, 03:34:46 PM »
Most of the original colonists and pilgrims came here in their adulthood from another country.

The name of that country?
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Great Brittain  :gbcry
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Phoenix Dark

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
« Reply #23464 on: November 14, 2016, 03:35:59 PM »
Nah if anything it reinforces that you need a strong candidate who can hold the coalitions together. The party is what it is, it's not going to stop being a coalition in four years. The goal is to unify it as best as you can, because if it's unified then you have a really good shot at winning.

Do you need a perfect candidate like Obama? No. But they can sure as hell do better than Hillary Clinton next time.

And in terms of midterms...that's a separate issue. The problem is less so gerrymandering and moreso the reality that minority/dem leaning voters tend to pile up in cities, and whiter/GOP leaning voters tend to be everywhere else. 2010 was going to be a bloodbath for democrats regardless due to the economy, and 2014 featured democrats running away from Obama+dealing with ebola and ISIS scares.

I'm just tired of hearing all this "democrats need xyz" shit that misses the fucking point. Hillary lost because she couldn't hold blue states. Because she took them for granted and didn't campaign hard enough there, and because she spent a year lying about TPP to rust belt voters. My views on trade have been expressed, I agree NAFTA is a scapegoat, etc. But when you call TPP the "gold standard" and then try to act like you're against it now...that's hard to get away with brehs. And it hurt her. The same way her Iraq war vote hurt her in 08 against Obama. You've got to be right the first time...sometimes. And she just wasn't, on too many issues.
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seagrams hotsauce

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
« Reply #23465 on: November 14, 2016, 03:36:04 PM »
do you fellas like john oliver? maybe it's me being british but he just comes across as a shrill, bleating charicature of what every hard righter wants to paint every liberal as.

He's got about two decades of work to do before he takes that crown from Maher

Van Cruncheon

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« Reply #23466 on: November 14, 2016, 03:38:53 PM »
kurt eichenwald curbstomps bernie bros: http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

mandark: vindicated
gaf: annihilated
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Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #23467 on: November 14, 2016, 03:42:01 PM »
democrats need xyz because they lost a crucial election and now no one trusts them worth shit anymore. Who is the party even for now? The messaging is all over the place. The democrats need xyz because you're concentrating only on hillary's defeat because she took blue states for granted when under the Obama administration they lost over 900 state legislature seats, and now control only 13 state legislatures. thinking this was only a problem with the hillary campaign on not the party in general is foolish and is damning us to repeat 2016 in 2020.
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Van Cruncheon

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« Reply #23468 on: November 14, 2016, 03:45:12 PM »
basically, america is electorally racist and bigoted as fuck. i'm beyond the bullshit economic handwringing that makes white democrats feel better. nah, kids, a significant percentage of electoral votes are potentially controlled by people who hate baggy pants and taco trucks and musicals.

buh buh buh 2008 obama! yeah, 4 years and mitt romney ago. this time around, the obama support didn't even bother to show, because false equivalency and who cares about minorities
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Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #23469 on: November 14, 2016, 03:50:30 PM »
I think limiting this loss to just America being racist is going to come bite us in the ass. Certainly older democrats refuse to make Clinton administration culpable. Bernie lost to Hillary but the DNC leaks certainly didn't help matters. If Bernie was going to lose just let him lose. Don't meddle. It certainly doesn't help the argument that the election is rigged by Donald Trump when it's leaked that the DNC only made one candidate reasonably backable.

That Newsweek article is written by a hard line Democrat defending his party and his candidate to extreme fervor.

Mandark didn't win shit. Come on. :lol He even admitted this!
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Van Cruncheon

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« Reply #23470 on: November 14, 2016, 03:53:39 PM »
did you READ the article? bernie was fuckin' unelectable. the media woulda ripped his old ass apart with the bones in his closets.

9.5 words: "i like trump because he says what we're thinkin'." that was the refrain EVERYWHERE.
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Van Cruncheon

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« Reply #23471 on: November 14, 2016, 03:57:18 PM »
mandark certainly beat ME. i was the one who reneged on the racism assumption and got sucked in by the entirely anecdotal rust belt economic narratives. i got fuck pwn3d, fam.
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agrajag

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« Reply #23472 on: November 14, 2016, 03:57:32 PM »
GAF is only Bernie land with hindsight. Bernie bros was one of the most reviled groups on GAF before she lost.

Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #23473 on: November 14, 2016, 03:58:26 PM »
I'm not sure if Bernie being unelectable is true or not. He won the very states that made Hillary lose. Certainly he lost the candidacy, but I don't think those emails helped at all.

The media tore Donald Trump apart and it didn't matter an iota. He still won.

That article is awful. Those are the only myths from this election? Why the Bernie focus?

The article is brimming with liberal smug.
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« Reply #23474 on: November 14, 2016, 04:00:03 PM »
Everybody is an expert now on how Hillary/the DNC messed everything up. Just like everyone was an expert beforehand on how Trump had no path to victory.
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Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #23475 on: November 14, 2016, 04:01:23 PM »
Everybody is an expert now on how Hillary/the DNC messed everything up. Just like everyone was an expert beforehand on how Trump had no path to victory.

I dunno. It's not hard for a lay person to understand that she lost the rust belt, didn't bother to campaign there in a meaningful way even though she lost Michigan, and didn't do polling until the last minute.
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« Reply #23476 on: November 14, 2016, 04:02:32 PM »
Minorities came out hard in PA/Philly. The problem is that Hillary spend nearly all of her time in Philly and Pittsburgh instead of branching out to whiter areas. Are some of those voters racist? Sure yea. But many of them in MI/WI/PA voted for Obama twice yet didn't vote for Hillary. It's hard to win over voters if you laugh off the mere idea of campaigning for them...

Speaking of which
http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224449500&postcount=93

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« Reply #23477 on: November 14, 2016, 04:02:45 PM »
PD once again showing how poli-bore makes poli-GAF look well composed :umad
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« Reply #23478 on: November 14, 2016, 04:04:36 PM »
Everybody is an expert now on how Hillary/the DNC messed everything up. Just like everyone was an expert beforehand on how Trump had no path to victory.

Well now we know about what went on behind the scenes with the Hillary campaign etc and that makes it easier to analyse the election results. :yeshrug

We knew she wasn't campaigning in Wisconsin before Election Day, you could look at her scheduled speeches.
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« Reply #23479 on: November 14, 2016, 04:04:55 PM »
Minorities came out hard in PA/Philly. The problem is that Hillary spend nearly all of her time in Philly and Pittsburgh instead of branching out to whiter areas. Are some of those voters racist? Sure yea. But many of them in MI/WI/PA voted for Obama twice yet didn't vote for Hillary. It's hard to win over voters if you laugh off the mere idea of campaigning for them...

Speaking of which
http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224449500&postcount=93

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Hillary's campaign schedule is disgusting. She had it set up so she could go home and sleep in her bed every night. Fuck Hillary Clinton.
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« Reply #23480 on: November 14, 2016, 04:11:08 PM »
It's funny.

Trump did and made some really stupid things during the run up to the election. Nobody talks about them

Hilary was caught showing her age (woozy dropping) and couldn't escape the FBI. 

Nobody likes Hilary. She's the opposite of Bill. She's probably done with politics so at least we have that going for us.

Also when you say "Sure but America voted clinton"

No your resource suckling population centers did. The ones who actually feed/house/employ you voted trump and they are much more valuable to our future. The fucking election map looks like a Verizon advertisement.

Oh yet and yet it's the peaceful liberals beating the shit out of Americans right now. Good look brehs.

Take your L bore. It's better for the country in the short term and better for your party moving forward  if we finally can shed the Bush/Clinton idiocy.
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Phoenix Dark

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« Reply #23481 on: November 14, 2016, 04:17:21 PM »
It's funny.

Trump did and made some really stupid things during the run up to the election. Nobody talks about them

Hilary was caught showing her age (woozy dropping) and couldn't escape the FBI. 

Nobody likes Hilary. She's the opposite of Bill. She's probably done with politics so at least we have that going for us.

Also when you say "Sure but America voted clinton"

No your resource suckling population centers did. The ones who actually feed/house/employ you voted trump and they are much more valuable to our future. The fucking election map looks like a Verizon advertisement.

Oh yet and yet it's the peaceful liberals beating the shit out of Americans right now. Good look brehs.

Take your L bore. It's better for the country in the short term and better for your party moving forward  if we finally can shed the Bush/Clinton idiocy.

What the hell are you talking about bro.
You are familiar with this state called California that currently feeds most of the United States and has the 6th largest economy in the world. That's where much of Clinton's pop vote margin will come from, and votes are still being counted there.
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Am_I_Anonymous

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
« Reply #23482 on: November 14, 2016, 04:18:18 PM »
No your resource suckling population centers did. The ones who actually feed/house/employ you voted trump and they are much more valuable to our future.

So all the takers voted for Clinton and the all makers voted for Trump.

That's a very nuanced take on the election results breh.

But seriously how much Fox News have you been watching lately.
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Well I don't have much time because I'm still searching for something made in NYC, Seattle, and Miami that this country requires in order to survive. I'll brb.
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« Reply #23483 on: November 14, 2016, 04:19:44 PM »
It's funny.

Trump did and made some really stupid things during the run up to the election. Nobody talks about them

Hilary was caught showing her age (woozy dropping) and couldn't escape the FBI. 

Nobody likes Hilary. She's the opposite of Bill. She's probably done with politics so at least we have that going for us.

Also when you say "Sure but America voted clinton"

No your resource suckling population centers did. The ones who actually feed/house/employ you voted trump and they are much more valuable to our future. The fucking election map looks like a Verizon advertisement.

Oh yet and yet it's the peaceful liberals beating the shit out of Americans right now. Good look brehs.

Take your L bore. It's better for the country in the short term and better for your party moving forward  if we finally can shed the Bush/Clinton idiocy.

What the hell are you talking about bro.
You are familiar with this state called California that currently feeds most of the United States and has the 6th largest economy in the world. That's where much of Clinton's pop vote margin will come from, and votes are still being counted there.

So we are counting IOU's as tangible property then?

Don't try this college intellectual lazy bullshit. It's beneath you
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« Reply #23484 on: November 14, 2016, 04:20:06 PM »
Let's ignore Houston and California. Some great rationalization there. Houston has the largest medical center in the world and a mass amount of the energy business is here. We vote blue.

Obama threw Clinton and the DNC under the goddamn bus. Good. :aah bububu racism won bububu
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« Reply #23485 on: November 14, 2016, 04:21:05 PM »

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« Reply #23486 on: November 14, 2016, 04:22:37 PM »
Surprised to see you here Tasty. Don't you have some Trump supporters to molest or something? Gotta toe that company line bro.
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« Reply #23487 on: November 14, 2016, 04:23:27 PM »
Let's ignore Houston and California. Some great rationalization there. Houston has the largest medical center in the world and a mass amount of the energy business is here. We vote blue.

Obama threw Clinton and the DNC under the goddamn bus. Good. :aah bububu racism won bububu

Ha ha you smashed your own agenda with your last sentence. I mean Obama don't even like the bitch, clearly.
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Tasty

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« Reply #23488 on: November 14, 2016, 04:23:44 PM »
Surprised to see you here Tasty. Don't you have some Trump supporters to molest or something? Gotta toe that company line bro.

What the fuck?

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« Reply #23489 on: November 14, 2016, 04:24:04 PM »
It's funny.

Trump did and made some really stupid things during the run up to the election. Nobody talks about them

Hilary was caught showing her age (woozy dropping) and couldn't escape the FBI. 

Nobody likes Hilary. She's the opposite of Bill. She's probably done with politics so at least we have that going for us.

Also when you say "Sure but America voted clinton"

No your resource suckling population centers did. The ones who actually feed/house/employ you voted trump and they are much more valuable to our future. The fucking election map looks like a Verizon advertisement.

Oh yet and yet it's the peaceful liberals beating the shit out of Americans right now. Good look brehs.

Take your L bore. It's better for the country in the short term and better for your party moving forward  if we finally can shed the Bush/Clinton idiocy.

What the hell are you talking about bro.
You are familiar with this state called California that currently feeds most of the United States and has the 6th largest economy in the world. That's where much of Clinton's pop vote margin will come from, and votes are still being counted there.

So we are counting IOU's as tangible property then?

Don't try this college intellectual lazy bullshit. It's beneath you
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I'm done brehs. You own a business/are an employer, you know better.
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« Reply #23490 on: November 14, 2016, 04:25:36 PM »
Let's ignore Houston and California. Some great rationalization there. Houston has the largest medical center in the world and a mass amount of the energy business is here. We vote blue.

Obama threw Clinton and the DNC under the goddamn bus. Good. :aah bububu racism won bububu

Ha ha you smashed your own agenda with your last sentence. I mean Obama don't even like the bitch, clearly.

how did i smash my agenda?
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
« Reply #23491 on: November 14, 2016, 04:25:38 PM »
Surprised to see you here Tasty. Don't you have some Trump supporters to molest or something? Gotta toe that company line bro.

What the fuck?

Oh you thought you was the only one allowed to talk shit? Check your privileges.
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« Reply #23492 on: November 14, 2016, 04:26:29 PM »
:mindblown
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« Reply #23493 on: November 14, 2016, 04:27:00 PM »
California can't carry the party. California also ducks up our economy. Not sure what level of detail you want for that but as of today they still owe me...oh...a bit of money for going on four years now. Stay classy :)
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
« Reply #23494 on: November 14, 2016, 04:28:45 PM »
Admit you're just mad because Michigan almost always loses in the Rose Bowl.  :doge

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« Reply #23495 on: November 14, 2016, 04:30:06 PM »
Admit you're just mad because Michigan almost always loses in the Rose Bowl.  :doge

Oh I just can't mad at you.

Also :snoop
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« Reply #23496 on: November 14, 2016, 04:35:06 PM »
Here's an idea. Instead of normalizing "both sides are the same" fuckery (i.e. the "bubble" nonsense) or crying over a loss how about you nominate a candidate people actually like in 2020, who isn't dealing with an idiotic scandal of her own design due to not giving a fuck.

I lived through the Bush years. Congrats, we have another republican president who most voters voted against. In fact we still live in a reality where republicans have won the popular vote ONCE since 1992. So stop crying and find another Bill or Obama, i.e. candidates who the base loves and will show up for.

Fuckin babies I swear
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« Reply #23497 on: November 14, 2016, 04:35:18 PM »
Someday I'll own a business so that I can blame other people for my problems. 
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« Reply #23498 on: November 14, 2016, 04:35:27 PM »
Admit you're just mad because Michigan almost always loses in the Rose Bowl.  :doge

Oh I just can't mad at you.

Also :snoop
I went to bed during like the 3rd quarter of the Iowa game since I was tired af. Checked a couple hours later and womp womp
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Big Ten better not fuck this up.
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« Reply #23499 on: November 14, 2016, 04:42:57 PM »
No your resource suckling population centers did. The ones who actually feed/house/employ you voted trump and they are much more valuable to our future.

So all the takers voted for Clinton and the all makers voted for Trump.

That's a very nuanced take on the election results breh.

But seriously how much Fox News have you been watching lately.
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given how all the states that gobble off the federal teat -- the red ones -- went trump, well, yeah, breh
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« Reply #23500 on: November 14, 2016, 04:44:50 PM »
Surprised to see you here Tasty. Don't you have some Trump supporters to molest or something? Gotta toe that company line bro.

What the fuck?

Oh you thought you was the only one allowed to talk shit? Check your privileges.

I've never talked shit about you ITT. I mentioned you voting third party to talk shit to username.

Did you vote third party or not?

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« Reply #23501 on: November 14, 2016, 04:46:15 PM »
Surprised to see you here Tasty. Don't you have some Trump supporters to molest or something? Gotta toe that company line bro.

What the fuck?

Oh you thought you was the only one allowed to talk shit? Check your privileges.

I've never talked shit about you ITT. I mentioned you voting third party to talk shit to username.

Did you vote third party or not?

I'm still befuddled the rest of my family (all voted Clinton) didn't approve of my Busta Rhymes for president speech on the way there. Damnit.
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« Reply #23502 on: November 14, 2016, 05:01:30 PM »
highly recommend people actually watch the 60 Minutes Trump interview

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/
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« Reply #23503 on: November 14, 2016, 05:35:59 PM »
As good a place as any to lock this thread down and move to the next.
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