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« Reply #2340 on: October 05, 2013, 06:37:02 PM »
Yeah, let's go back to a time where you needed to pop out that many children because half of them would die before reaching puberty. :heh

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« Reply #2341 on: October 05, 2013, 06:59:02 PM »
The 10 homeschooled kids part makes his lack of foresight go from embarrassing to just sad. It's most likely he's the only working parent and yet he doesn't feel at 41 years of age, that he should be getting a check up every now and then with so many dependants. A software developer can't make decent meth.

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« Reply #2342 on: October 05, 2013, 11:38:36 PM »


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« Reply #2343 on: October 06, 2013, 12:01:04 AM »


Obamacare annihilated

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« Reply #2344 on: October 06, 2013, 01:25:07 PM »
Are there any good write-ups about the consequences if the government shuts down AND we default? It's Monday morning and I'm in the mood for some post-apocalyptic fanfic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/opinion/sunday/dowd-welcome-to-ted-cruzs-thunderdome.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0

Ah yeah, now we're getting to the good stuff. *rubs hands together*
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« Reply #2346 on: October 06, 2013, 01:48:54 PM »
(read from bottom up)


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« Reply #2347 on: October 06, 2013, 05:08:43 PM »
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/nbcs-savannah-guthrie-challenges-sen-rand-paul-to-defend-open-mic-moment/

Shorter Rand Paul: "The Democrats are the ones that want the government shutdown, which is exactly why Republicans are going to continue with the shutdown"

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« Reply #2348 on: October 06, 2013, 06:49:05 PM »
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Well, I'm convinced!

What took you so long! .... I've been convinced Alex Jones is an arsehole for years !

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Collett counts himself among the 29 percent of people who said in an NBCNews/Kaiser poll they are angry about the health reform law. “The issue for me is that it is not the proper role of government,” he said.

And then says later that government funded schools are also , i assume, not the role of the government.

So... the welfare and education of it's citizens is -not- the role of the government? What -is- it supposed to do then?!

Christ - i could just imagine the riots if the UK government turned round and said "sorry guys, healthcare and schools - we really shouldn't be involved in that so.... NHS and government funded schools are now closed.... " We'd be rioting for the government having failed in two of it's primary areas.
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« Reply #2349 on: October 06, 2013, 06:58:52 PM »
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« Reply #2350 on: October 06, 2013, 08:00:59 PM »
Hey Mandark, why don't you go tell Nancy Pelosi to stfu because she doesn't know wtf she's talking about, and it's not a good look for her?

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/324689-pelosi-obama-shouldnt-have-ruled-out-14th-amendment-option-in-debt-fight

Then maybe Himu can tell her that she'd be better off shutting her mouth and listening to the pros, and maybe she'd learn something?

This guy too, and the legal experts he cites:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/if-congress-wont-raise-the-debt-ceiling-obama-will-be-forced-to-break-the-law/280176/

Actually...perhaps Obama ruled it out to ensure the complete onus of raising the debt limit is on the House. It's a last ditch option, and he doesn't want anyone to know he is ready to use it.
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« Reply #2351 on: October 06, 2013, 08:23:25 PM »
Yes, probably. I'm just salty about a forum exchange from about nine months ago. I'll probably feel the same way a year from now. Some insults aren't forgotten.
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actually polls show people blaming the GOP about 10% more than Obama. As the markets begin the speak, Boehner's position will become even more shaky. I think his...performance today was pure show. He needs to show he is tough and will fight till the last minute. And when it comes time to fold he'll say he fought as hard as he could but it's time to do the right thing.
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« Reply #2352 on: October 06, 2013, 08:35:15 PM »
Christ - i could just imagine the riots if the UK government turned round and said "sorry guys, healthcare and schools - we really shouldn't be involved in that so.... NHS and government funded schools are now closed.... " We'd be rioting for the government having failed in two of it's primary areas.

rioting in the uk? only if there is a kardashian opening a primark on the same day.

i'm going to assume the role of bumbling polemic here, but i'm hearing the tea party catch a lot of flack based on their methods. a minority of domestic policy terrorists bending the country over a barrel. they're a splinter caucus which has unjustly found a way to affect change over their whole party.

i also hear a lot of disillusionment over the two party system. a totally binary setup which only allows the voter to tick one of two muddy boxes which will largely continue business as usual - corporate fellatio included.

now i'm not a bible clutching spazz so of course i couldn't be further from the tea parties aims, but if there was a progressive democratic caucus pushing things in the opposite direction - towards a single payer system perhaps - would their methods be greeted with the same enraged ire? i mean, go nuts on exposing the idiocy of their policy, but if a system can't handle a splinter group aggressively pursuing an ideologue without shitting itself, then the system is the real villain in this piece /RATM.

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« Reply #2353 on: October 06, 2013, 08:56:30 PM »
I like this guy's take on the situation:
http://www.stonekettle.com/2013/10/deadlock.html

tl;dr Neither liberals nor (fringe) republicans should want this move to succeed.

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« Reply #2354 on: October 06, 2013, 09:00:54 PM »
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« Reply #2355 on: October 06, 2013, 09:04:17 PM »
The (other) funny thing about that clip is that it seems to be the first time anyone's actually made that argument.

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« Reply #2356 on: October 06, 2013, 09:15:49 PM »
Yes, probably. I'm just salty about a forum exchange from about nine months ago. I'll probably feel the same way a year from now. Some insults aren't forgotten.

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« Reply #2357 on: October 06, 2013, 09:34:22 PM »
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Effective leadership means taking the minority position into account.

This line really sticks out from the article [not by the author of the article, but by the guy he was replying to]. And here's why: Obama and the Democrats did that. They compromised and compromised and cut things they wanted and courted Republicans from the very start. They brought Republicans in as co-sponsors, they put in things Republicans wanted, they took out things Republicans didn't want. The ACA was paired down to an idea floated by the flippin' Heritage Foundation in order to get Republicans on board. And in the end, every Republican vote vanished into the ether. Why? Because they DID NOT want Obama and the Democrats to pass a major healthcare bill. PERIOD.

This isn't about not taking the minority opinion into account, it's about not letting the minority crash the car because they aren't getting every single thing they've ever wanted.
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« Reply #2358 on: October 06, 2013, 10:10:33 PM »


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« Reply #2359 on: October 06, 2013, 10:26:02 PM »
Why do people on radio and TV have to be morons?
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« Reply #2360 on: October 06, 2013, 10:28:18 PM »
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Well, I'm convinced!

What took you so long! .... I've been convinced Alex Jones is an arsehole for years !

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Collett counts himself among the 29 percent of people who said in an NBCNews/Kaiser poll they are angry about the health reform law. “The issue for me is that it is not the proper role of government,” he said.

And then says later that government funded schools are also , i assume, not the role of the government.

So... the welfare and education of it's citizens is -not- the role of the government? What -is- it supposed to do then?!

Christ - i could just imagine the riots if the UK government turned round and said "sorry guys, healthcare and schools - we really shouldn't be involved in that so.... NHS and government funded schools are now closed.... " We'd be rioting for the government having failed in two of it's primary areas.

There are some people that literally think the only thing a government should do is maintain an army. These people are generally referred to as libertarians, or to put it more accurately, morons.
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« Reply #2362 on: October 06, 2013, 11:35:56 PM »
I think Marshall is reading this wrong, whereas his former employee Brian Beutler called this awhile ago
http://www.salon.com/2013/09/24/ted_cruzs_complaints_are_meaningless/

The NY Times reported mere days ago that Boehner recently told House republicans he will not allow a default to occur. This collaborates the report from early September that he told K/Wall Street folks that a default won't happen.

Boehner is weak, there's no doubt about it. He also has a long history of allowing his hardliners to lead him into bad situations, forcing him to crawl to Nancy Pelosi for help. Remember when republicans rejected the first bailout, during Bush's final weeks in office, and the market dropped 800 points? He has always struggled with hardliners, even before the tea party existed. Then last December, remember when he took a far right position on the "fiscal cliff" to appease the tea party, mere days after Obama's reelection, which culminated in the "Plan B" fiasco that almost cost him his Speakership? the result of that was Boehner relying on democrat votes to effectively push through a tax increase.

I think Boehner thought the threat of default and a government shutdown would convince 2011 Obama to appear, thus giving republicans an easy win. He clearly didn't expect Obama to hold firm, or senate democrats to remain united. Now he's fucked in a protracted battle he can't win. Robert Costa (National Review) has reported that House leadership may be marching towards a two pronged cave: by mixing the shutdown with the debt ceiling, it's likely the GOP will fold on both at the same time. This will be a humiliation for Boehner, but he'll get to say he waited until the last minute/fought the good fight/etc.


edit: remember, we're witnessing history here. If Obama folds, he sets quite an ugly precedent on presidential blackmail. If he holds firm and Boehner fades into obscurity on the hill, he will have defended executive power.
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« Reply #2363 on: October 06, 2013, 11:53:40 PM »
House leadership may be marching towards a two pronged cave: by mixing the shutdown with the debt ceiling, it's likely the GOP will fold on both at the same time. This will be a humiliation for Boehner, but he'll get to say he waited until the last minute/fought the good fight/etc.

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« Reply #2364 on: October 06, 2013, 11:59:32 PM »
What do you think, Mandark?  Do we default or not?
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« Reply #2365 on: October 07, 2013, 12:09:18 AM »
As in, Boehner will cave - but it'll be two caves at once. Tying the shutdown to the debt limit makes it an all-or-nothing deal. I can't find the article but Costa had a quote from an unnamed GOPer explaining it as if you're going to take a bullet, you'd rather take one.
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« Reply #2366 on: October 07, 2013, 01:19:06 AM »
What do you think, Mandark?  Do we default or not?

I say no.

I'd be real surprised in the debt ceiling doesn't get raised, and even in that case I think the administration would circumvent it with one of the strategies being bandied about, even if they don't like it.  At which point it's a court challenge or pointless impeachment, but again, I don't expect it to get to that point.

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« Reply #2367 on: October 07, 2013, 01:50:11 AM »
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How bad will default be? "I think, personally, it would bring stability to the world markets"

this is criminal negligence

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Once the political class and bureaucracy is solely responsible for everyone's health care, we will all be slaves. The message is pretty clear: "Vote the way we tell you too, or we will use every means possible to punish you".

yes! this has happened in every single country which has privatized health care ! Will someone please free us from the bondage of having affordable healthcare for everyone ?! SLAVES i tell you. SLAVES.


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« Reply #2368 on: October 07, 2013, 01:52:18 AM »
Classic Welch  :rofl

Even the outfit.  :lol

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« Reply #2369 on: October 07, 2013, 12:52:41 PM »
I've had to completely disengage from Facebook arguments about the debt ceiling.  I ended up arguing with someone in the military and someone who does defense contracting and they both see no problem hitting the debt ceiling.  Meanwhile my company would most likely very quickly go belly up (the exchange rate and all) and they don't really see this as a problem either.
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« Reply #2370 on: October 07, 2013, 01:14:54 PM »
The willful delusion isn't curable, thus making it nigh impossible to even attempt an educated conversation. This is what happens when you completely reject critical thinking. This isn't some game. A default would wreck the global economy. Businesses, corporations, families, everyone would be fucked.

case in point: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/gopers-use-amber-alert-downtime-to-criticize-shutdown

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« Reply #2371 on: October 07, 2013, 01:54:41 PM »
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"Vote the way we tell you too, or we will use every means possible to punish you".

Isn't that what the Republicans are doing right now?
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« Reply #2372 on: October 07, 2013, 06:19:17 PM »
This is why our government is currently shutdown, because we allow people like this to make decisions for us:

“This happened and as of today the United States is willingly, knowingly, intentionally sending arms to terrorists, now what this says to me, I’m a believer in Jesus Christ, as I look at the End Times scripture, this says to me that the leaf is on the fig tree and we are to understand the signs of the times, which is your ministry, we are to understand where we are in God’s end times history," Bachmann told Jan Markell, radio host of "Understanding the Times," on Saturday.
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« Reply #2373 on: October 07, 2013, 06:28:47 PM »
Lol. God damn man.

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« Reply #2374 on: October 07, 2013, 06:32:00 PM »
Considering she's a Pre-Trib evangelical...if this is the end times, why is she still here?


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« Reply #2375 on: October 07, 2013, 07:19:11 PM »
It's always the fire & brimstone types that tell you when the world is going to end. As though a vengeful God would actually give you warning.

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« Reply #2376 on: October 07, 2013, 10:06:05 PM »
And they're 0 for 999999999 on predicting the earth ending so far.
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« Reply #2377 on: October 08, 2013, 12:10:22 AM »
hardworking americans, listen the fuck up!


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« Reply #2378 on: October 08, 2013, 12:11:35 AM »


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« Reply #2379 on: October 08, 2013, 12:13:48 AM »
hardworking americans, listen the fuck up!



DC politicians and staffers are specifically NOT exempt from Obamacare. :lol
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« Reply #2380 on: October 08, 2013, 01:54:31 AM »
I've had to completely disengage from Facebook arguments about the debt ceiling.  I ended up arguing with someone in the military and someone who does defense contracting and they both see no problem hitting the debt ceiling.  Meanwhile my company would most likely very quickly go belly up (the exchange rate and all) and they don't really see this as a problem either.

 ??? What is he thinking? Defense is one of the most volatile markets there is...
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« Reply #2381 on: October 08, 2013, 02:36:41 AM »
seems to be the common theme...

"this isn't affecting me therefore it's not actually happening"

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« Reply #2382 on: October 08, 2013, 03:49:35 AM »
Nobody probably cares but I came across these recently and found them quite amusing. Milton Friedman in his prime basically kicking a young David Brooks' (calling himself a "Social Democrat") shit in as part of a seminar type program. Of course your agreement on how much may vary, but David Brooks getting eviscerated is always a positive thing in my opinion. Especially if you're some unmediated solitary 29-year old with imperfectly creased pants.



Parts 2 and 3, less Brooks abuse in these:
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« Reply #2385 on: October 08, 2013, 01:02:22 PM »
shout out to the tea party

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/10/shutdown-salmonella/

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Late-breaking news, and I’ll update as I find out more: While the government is shut down, with food-safety personnel and disease detectives sent home and forbidden to work, a major foodborne-illness outbreak has begun. This evening, the Food Safety and Inspection Service of the US Department of Agriculture announced that “an estimated 278 illnesses … reported in 18 states” have been caused by chicken contaminated with Salmonella Heidelberg and possibly produced by the firm Foster Farms.

“FSIS is unable to link the illnesses to a specific product and a specific production period,” the agency said in an emailed alert. “The outbreak is continuing.”

This is the exact situation that CDC and other about-to-be-furloughed federal personnel warned about last week. As a reminder, a CDC staffer told me at the time:

    I know that we will not be conducting multi-state outbreak investigations.  States may continue to find outbreaks, but we won’t be doing the cross-state consultation and laboratory work to link outbreaks that might cross state borders.

That means that the lab work and molecular detection that can link far-apart cases and define the size and seriousness of outbreaks are not happening. At the CDC, which operates the national foodborne-detection services FoodNet and PulseNet, scientists couldn’t work on this if they wanted to; they have been locked out of their offices, lab and emails. (At a conference I attended last week, 10 percent of the speakers did not show up because they were CDC personnel and risked being fired if they traveled even voluntarily.)

In case it seems like this is not a big deal (just 300 illnesses, just some raw chicken): foodborne illness can have lifelong consequences that range from arthritis to kidney trouble to heart disease. And: The number of illnesses that can be identified in any foodborne outbreak are almost always an under-estimate.

In its statement, FSIS said:

    Raw products from the facilities in question bear one of the establishment numbers inside a USDA mark of inspection or elsewhere on the package:

        “P6137”
        “P6137A”
        “P7632”

    The products were mainly distributed to retail outlets in California, Oregon and Washington State.

It is the second time this year that the firm at the center of this alert, Foster Farms, has been linked to a nationwide Salmonella outbreak. In July, according to the CDC, 134 people in 13 states were made ill by chicken linked to two Foster Farms slaughterhouses.
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« Reply #2386 on: October 08, 2013, 02:22:16 PM »
Obama is standing his ground so far. Good.
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« Reply #2387 on: October 08, 2013, 02:57:32 PM »
after the NYTimes article this week I'm thinking the Koch's aren't just chock full o' avarice, but also pretty dumb.

guess who loses the most money if the economy tanks, the people who have the most money, dummies.

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« Reply #2388 on: October 08, 2013, 03:08:21 PM »
The Koch brothers don't actually believe the US will default on its debt, just that Obama will be humiliated in the process.
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« Reply #2389 on: October 08, 2013, 04:11:43 PM »
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« Reply #2390 on: October 08, 2013, 04:59:01 PM »
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Barton said Obama's attempts at health care reform and expanding gun control laws are evidence of his similarities to Hitler.

“It’s not just the death camps. (Hitler) started in the communities, with national health care and gun control. You better read your history. Germany started with national health care and gun control before any of that other stuff happened. And Hitler was elected by a majority of people,” she said.
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« Reply #2391 on: October 08, 2013, 04:59:53 PM »
http://www.salon.com/2013/10/06/tea_party_radicalism_is_misunderstood_meet_the_newest_right/

If you're a big dog on the local or state level, then it makes perfect sense for you to want to cripple the federal government. Assuming a complete lack of empathy or respect for your fellow man, obvs.
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« Reply #2392 on: October 08, 2013, 05:26:14 PM »
Officials in Arizona and Kansas are making preparations for elections with two categories of voters. There will be those who provided proof of citizenship when they registered to vote, and will therefore be able to vote in all local, state, and federal elections. And then there will be those who did not provide proof of citizenship when they registered. Those people will only be able to vote in federal contests -- if at all.

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« Reply #2393 on: October 08, 2013, 05:36:35 PM »
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The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.

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Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar not going to investment in America's priorities. Instead, interest payments are a significant tax on all Americans - a debt tax that Washington doesn't want to talk about.

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Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.
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Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #2394 on: October 08, 2013, 05:37:50 PM »
Without checking, I'd bet some shekels that it's an Obama quote circa 2005-7.

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Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #2395 on: October 08, 2013, 05:39:21 PM »
2006 I'm sure.  Where's the quote that he acknowledged it's just political grandstanding?

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Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #2396 on: October 08, 2013, 05:47:35 PM »
At least Obama has a plan for lowering the debt that doesn't include taking away programs that keep the poor from starving.
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Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #2397 on: October 08, 2013, 05:52:35 PM »
To be fair, Obama never threatening a government shutdown or default. He took advantage of a political stunt, which is what the debt ceiling has been for years (until the last couple).

Which is why we should pass Mitch McConnell's bill to give presidents authority to unilaterally raise the ceiling, but allow congress to record a vote to show their disapproval.
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Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #2398 on: October 08, 2013, 06:24:12 PM »
When Obama made that quote he was protesting wasteful spending on tax cuts for the wealthy and wars he didn't support. Republicans today are protesting spending on economic recovery programs and domestic improvement programs. Also, pretty sure he didn't decide to then hold the country hostage to get his way afterwards.
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Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #2399 on: October 08, 2013, 06:31:11 PM »
Pfffft, 5 comment response chain for an obvious troll.

I do think there's a lesson in there, about using symbolic votes and rhetoric to score points based off of public ignorance.  Obama didn't create debt hysteria, but public figures like him who ought to know better have reinforced it through years of comments like that.  Like all the "tough" rhetoric towards Iraq from the 90's making the war that much easier to launch in 2003.