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Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3060 on: November 24, 2013, 12:36:08 AM »
There goes our community organizer-in-chief again.

Ronald Reagan never would have made a deal with the Iranians. :smug

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Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3061 on: November 24, 2013, 04:24:07 AM »
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Breitbart.com senior editor at large Joel B. Pollak wrote that the Obama administration's efforts to negotiate a deal to limit Iran's nuclear capabilities "reject[] the lessons, and the principles, of the Kennedy legacy."
Uhh, are those, fuck everything up with bait attempts all over the globe then scramble to return to the status quo, including relying on joint-leverage with the Soviets, before some kind of global/major/nuclear war starts?

I've been listening to a lot of Democracy Now and a bit of the Thom Hartmann Program -- how do you guys rank these shows as sources of news and politics?
Hartmann has a pretty good array of guests and not horrible debate, but he's got some weird hang-ups where he goes way off into left field. (The ol' saying, not a political position.) I think he interrupts a bit too much, especially on those issues, but even in friendly discussions. On those hang-ups he'll get like a Hannity or O'Reilly who just browbeats them with how they're destroying America by allowing kids to eat fast food or whatever it is and allowing basically no response before he jumps on the next word they say that proves their evil agenda while burning forests of strawmen.

I think he's a little douchey like those two guys in general, but you can tell he works fairly hard at getting a more diverse set of guests for topics than most shows who often bring on the same five or six people endlessly.

Huh, no idea he grew up in Lansing. Was expelled from high school in the tenth grade.  :lol

Democracy Now! seems like it's either quite good or dear god why are they talking about this, where did they find these people?

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Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3062 on: November 24, 2013, 03:14:16 PM »
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The per-capita income in Breathitt is about $15,000, and the rates of diabetes, hypertension and other health problems earned this part of Kentucky the nickname “Coronary Valley.”

Lively, who has been signing people up since the exchanges opened in early October, said one woman cried when she was told she qualified for Medicaid under the new law. She said people have been “pouring in” to her office, an unused exam room in the back of the clinic, where her set-up includes a table, a two-drawer filing cabinet, manila folders, a planner to track her schedule, a notebook to track her numbers and a laptop that connects to the state health-insurance exchange, Kynect.

Clinic doctors often send patients without insurance her way after their visits, but most come by word of mouth. Lively has signed up fathers who then sent their sons, and mothers who sent aunts. She signed up one Subway sandwich shop worker, and soon what seemed like the whole staff showed up.

Although she once had to dispel a rumor that enrolling involved planting a microchip in your arm, and though she avoids calling the new law “Obamacare” in a red state, most people need little persuading.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-rural-kentucky-health-care-debate-takes-back-seat-as-people-sign-up-for-insurance/2013/11/23/449dc6e0-5465-11e3-9e2c-e1d01116fd98_print.html

Another good article about how well Obamacare is working in Kentucky.

Makes me wonder how that story would be received if it was coming out of Detroit instead of a white, rural county in the south.
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Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3063 on: November 24, 2013, 04:49:27 PM »
Holy carp. I never thought I'd see an exchange between Bob Schieffer and a GOP congressman where the fucking GOP congressman comes off as less of a shithead:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bob-schieffer-to-gop-rep-is-iran-deal-diversionary-tactic-for-obama-admin/

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Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3064 on: November 25, 2013, 09:01:03 AM »
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In a November 24 Weekly Standard blog, Fox News contributor and former UN Ambassador John Bolton wrote that "this interim agreement is badly skewed from America's perspective" and is "abject surrender by the United States."

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In a November 24 post on the Washington Post's Right Turn blog, Jennifer Rubin argued that the Iranian deal meant Iranian deal meant the United States is "in essence paying Iran $5 billion to $10 billion, which it can use to continue enriching and of course sponsoring terrorists."

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On his Facebook page, conservative radio host Mark Levin reacted to the deal by writing "Obama's destruction spreads worldwide: we surrender to Iran."

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Breitbart's Ben Shapiro denounced the Iran nuclear deal in a post titled "Worse Than Munich," as "the most ignominious moment in western foreign policy in decades," and compared it to British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain's 1938 appeasement of Hitler in Munich."

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On the November 24 edition of Fox News Sunday, Fox News contributor George Will said that the Iran deal will result in the proliferation of nuclear weapons in the Middle East."

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On his Twitter account, Fox News contributor Erick Erickson responded to the deal by writing "Congratulations to Iran on its successful acquisition of the bomb."

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In a post on National Review Online, Daniel Pipes wrote that the Iran deal "will be remembered along with Munich," calling it a policy "disaster" for the Obama administration."

http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/11/24/worse-than-munich-conservative-media-react-to-i/197038

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Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3065 on: November 25, 2013, 09:16:50 AM »
Must be a pretty good deal if the plebe pundits are raging. :obama
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Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3066 on: November 25, 2013, 12:18:26 PM »
Limbaugh says that the "Iran scandal" was done to distract from the "Obamacare scandal."

Perfect.

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Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3067 on: November 25, 2013, 12:25:09 PM »
The Iran scandal that has been being planned for more than a year? Remember last October when the AP reported Iran had come to a peace agreement with the United States, but the story was quickly dismissed by the White House? This has been going on for awhile, it's not like Obama decided last month to distract us all from Obamacare.  :lol

I "get" Rush making that argument. But having elected senators say it is just ridiculous.
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Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3068 on: November 25, 2013, 12:40:57 PM »
Good news for the Obama administration is just always gonna ruffle the same feathers

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« Reply #3069 on: November 25, 2013, 12:45:51 PM »
As we all know, however, the Obamacare scandal was just to distract us from Benghazi.
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« Reply #3070 on: November 25, 2013, 12:48:26 PM »
All these scandals are just to distract us from Obama's Kenyan birth.

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Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3071 on: November 25, 2013, 12:52:13 PM »
All the scandals are to distract us from deliberate economic sabotage.
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Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3072 on: November 25, 2013, 01:29:06 PM »
China's waving their dicks over those islands again (still) it would seem

http://swampland.time.com/2013/11/25/meanwhile-3500-miles-from-iran/

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« Reply #3073 on: November 25, 2013, 01:30:32 PM »
Economic sabotage is just to distract us from our worthless fiat money. Join the Ron Paul REVOLUTION and bring back the gold standard brehs.
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« Reply #3074 on: November 25, 2013, 03:21:49 PM »
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« Reply #3075 on: November 25, 2013, 05:16:42 PM »
That Ben Shapiro piece is greater than the snippet from mediamutters above:
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But in truth, the west’s appeasement of Iran is significantly worse than its appeasement of Hitler in 1938, for a variety of reasons. First, as of 1938, Hitler had not yet made clear his plans to exterminate European Jewry.

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Second, in 1938, Great Britain was dealing from a position of military weakness. After World War I, the anti-war British public insisted on large-scale military cuts – cuts opposed by then out-of-government figure Winston Churchill – that crippled its military readiness. Chamberlain’s deal was not merely an attempt to buy off Hitler; it was an attempt to buy Britain time to re-arm. Today’s Iran deal is precisely the opposite: an American government wants to slash its military, and wants to buy the Iranians time to secretly arm. America currently deals from a position of strength, and chooses weakness. Chamberlain dealt from a position of weakness, and wanted to give his own country time to build its strength.

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Desperate to misdirect from his failing signature program, Obamacare, and eager to earn his diplomatic laurels in his second term to placate his ego, President Obama’s Iran solution is just a convenient piece of a larger cowardly foreign policy. President Obama’s foreign policy over the last six months has “won” America the diplomatic victory of leaving a weapons of mass destruction-using dictator in power in Syria while shifting Russia into the Middle Eastern driver’s seat and donating American stockpiles to al Qaeda. Obama has undercut the secular Egyptian military regime in favor of the fascistic Muslim Brotherhood. American power in the Middle East has been effectively minimized.

But most of all, he has successfully vented his anti-Israel malice.

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In 2012, Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel told Obama at the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C., “How is it that the Holocaust's No. 1 denier is still a president? He who threatens to use nuclear weapons -- to use nuclear weapons -- to destroy the Jewish state. We must know that when evil has power, it is almost too late…Mr. President, we are here in this place of memory. Israel cannot not remember. And because it remembers, it must be strong, just to defend its own survival and its own destiny.” Obama nodded along. Clearly, those words didn’t penetrate. They didn’t penetrate because Obama did not care.

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"Shapiro makes sweeping—and many would say absurd—charges that they promote atheism, absolute sexual freedom (including pedophilia and statutory rape, which are crimes), and rampant environmentalism."

His next book, Porn Generation: How Social Liberalism Is Corrupting Our Future, was published by another publisher in June 2005. In a summer reading feature by the conservative magazine National Review, Michelle Malkin recommended the book for advocating "valiantly on behalf of modesty in a flesh-baring world."
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« Reply #3076 on: November 25, 2013, 05:24:08 PM »
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In 2012, Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel told Obama at the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C., “How is it that the Holocaust's No. 1 denier is still a president? He who threatens to use nuclear weapons -- to use nuclear weapons -- to destroy the Jewish state. We must know that when evil has power, it is almost too late…Mr. President, we are here in this place of memory. Israel cannot not remember. And because it remembers, it must be strong, just to defend its own survival and its own destiny.” Obama nodded along. Clearly, those words didn’t penetrate. They didn’t penetrate because Obama did not care.

Ahmadinejad isn't President of Iran anymore, though. :heh
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« Reply #3077 on: November 25, 2013, 06:13:11 PM »
He also said any Jew who voted for Obama should feel ashamed. Mandark, explain.

I get that there is little cherished middle ground on this issue. Still it has been truly amazing watching conservatives attempt to one-up each other with hyperbole, on an issue most Americans pretty much don't care about ("just keep us out of another war pls").

It's not good enough for Obama to be a typical liberal, appeasing enemies with diplomacy - which would be the typical way democrats are attacked. No, he must harbor malice against Israel and is actively working to get them annihilated. All while trying to systematically destroy the United States. As I've said before, there's nowhere else for that view to go except to charging Obama with treason or supporting a military coup. And this view is constantly being given lip service by elected officials and prominent republicans; it's not just dead enders like Sharpiro.
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Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3078 on: November 25, 2013, 06:22:05 PM »
It is quite a step to go from using Munich as a warning or metaphor or part of the argument with Saddam, a tyrant who had murdered his own people, invaded and fired missiles at neighbors, etc. during the endless build up for that conflict to saying that an agreement that will probably change in six months and doesn't really alter the status quo much, is literally worse than Munich.

If the Republicans don't like it, maybe they should work to pass an AUMF regarding Iran...
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« Reply #3079 on: November 25, 2013, 06:47:22 PM »
Exactly. For six months, Iran can't make further progress towards a nuke and will allegedly work towards a more long term agreement that will further halt their nuclear weapon ambitions. This is worse than Munich...how exactly. Even if you don't like the deal, and I'd imagine some people have legitimate problems with it (hint: I haven't read any), the onus is on them to explain how this deal makes it more likely Iran will attain a nuclear weapon. If the deal fails, Iran goes back to building weapons with less enriched uranium than they once had, and the sanctions return/cripple their economy again. How does that equal=end times?
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« Reply #3080 on: November 25, 2013, 06:57:36 PM »
Yeah, when I first saw the bitching I thought the agreement must have been to just drop sanctions or inspections or something and then I saw what was actually agreed to and I was like...wait, what? (On both sides, calling it worse than Munich and calling it this amazing historic peace deal.)

If they really want to attack Iran, just wait for them to break this agreement with their endless unbridled lust to nuke Israel that won't be able to take six months off and then you have a much better casus belli, no? In the meantime, get that authority for kinetic military action to Obama! Strengthen his hand!

EDIT: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/364739/munich-ii-james-jay-carafano
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The only “fact” offered so far to prove that the pact will lead to something other than a good deal for Iran is the blithe assurance that the deal was negotiated by really smart people who know what they are doing. After all . . .

The British think the deal with Iran makes sense. Then, again, it was a British government that believed Munich meant we could all get a good night’s sleep now.

The Russians laud the deal. But it was a government in Moscow that believed the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact solved all its problems.


Our White House likes this deal. But, our White House also thinks its policies in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, and Syria have been just super.

The cold fact about the Iranian nuclear freeze is this: Any diplomatic deal that is not grounded in shared interests or a common sense of justice will surely fail. There is no evidence Iran shares either with the West.
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« Reply #3081 on: November 25, 2013, 07:37:21 PM »
What would Iran even get out of nuking Israel? I mean, other than absolute destruction.
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« Reply #3082 on: November 25, 2013, 07:48:41 PM »
Look, you just don't understand realist foreign policy. See, the entire country of Iran is crazy and evil and in a doomsday cult, therefore the only solution is to end the sanctions and export them democracy.

IN A DOOMSDAY CULT

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« Reply #3083 on: November 25, 2013, 10:22:57 PM »
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What would Iran even get out of nuking Israel? I mean, other than absolute destruction

I'm also confused - seeing as everyone keeps going on about how Iran want to Nuke israel, that the first meaningful steps to stopping that happen are being decried by the Right wing -and- Israel!

I'm sure Israel will do it's best to stop this horrific spread of peace
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« Reply #3084 on: November 25, 2013, 10:41:10 PM »
John Bolton's explanation was that if we go down this path of diplomacy, Israel will be forced to bomb Iran first, so the only thing left to do is for us to bomb Iran first. Because that will contain the inevitable war to just Iran instead of the entire Middle East.

Remember, Iran is in a doomsday cult.

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« Reply #3085 on: November 25, 2013, 11:00:29 PM »
Or, more likely, both Israel and the US are home to powerful groups that derive both money and power from keeping their respective countries in a state of fear/war and any efforts to reduce that state to peaceful normalcy is seen as a threat.
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« Reply #3087 on: November 26, 2013, 04:22:14 PM »
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American Held Hostage For 444 Days In Iran Calls Nuke Deal ‘Foolishness’

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But for many of the 66 Americans who were held hostage for 444 days at the start of the Iranian revolution, trusting the regime in Tehran feels like a mistake.

“It’s kind of like Jimmy Carter all over again,” said Clair Cortland Barnes, now retired and living in Leland, N.C., after a career at the CIA and elsewhere. He sees the negotiations now as no more effective than they were in 1979 and 1980, when he and others languished, facing mock executions and other torments. The hostage crisis began in November of 1979 when militants stormed the United States Embassy in Tehran and seized its occupants.

Retired Air Force Col. Thomas E. Schaefer, 83, called the deal “foolishness.”

“My personal view is, I never found an Iranian leader I can trust,” he said. “I don’t think today it’s any different from when I was there. None of them, I think, can be trusted. Why make an agreement with people you can’t trust?”

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For other hostages, though, their experience has led them to the conclusion that attempting to negotiate and expecting Iran to live up to its end of the bargain is a losing proposition. Sgt. Rodney “Rocky” Sickmann, 56, of St. Louis, then a Marine sergeant, remembers clearly being told by his captors that their goal was to use the hostages to humiliate the American government, and he suspects this interim deal is in that vein.

“It just hurts. We negotiated for 444 days and not one time did they agree to anything … and here they beg for us to negotiate and we do,” he said. “It’s hard to swallow. We negotiate with our enemies and stab our allies in the back. That doesn’t seem good.”
Patriotic Americans standing up to Neville Obama. :american



Meanwhile, in the AP's very last paragraphs...oh:
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The deal may also have a direct effect on some of the hostages who have long fought to sue the Iranian government for damages. The new agreement calls for $4.2 billion in frozen Iranian assets to be released, which could make it more difficult to collect a judgment on any successful suit.

“And what do we get out of it?” asked Barnes. “A lie saying, ‘We’re not going to make plutonium.’ It’s a win-win for them and it’s a lose-lose for us.”
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« Reply #3088 on: November 26, 2013, 04:30:23 PM »
Meanwhile, in the AP's very last paragraphs...oh:
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The deal may also have a direct effect on some of the hostages who have long fought to sue the Iranian government for damages. The new agreement calls for $4.2 billion in frozen Iranian assets to be released, which could make it more difficult to collect a judgment on any successful suit.

“And what do we get out of it?” asked Barnes. “A lie saying, ‘We’re not going to make plutonium.’ It’s a win-win for them and it’s a lose-lose for us.”

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« Reply #3089 on: November 26, 2013, 04:57:30 PM »
Eschalon, explain
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« Reply #3090 on: November 29, 2013, 01:36:00 PM »
Sorry for giving you the Gabron/Gaborn treatment breh
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« Reply #3091 on: December 02, 2013, 12:37:42 PM »
I'm no fan of the Catholic Church, but all sads that Pope Francis has been giving the right wing nutters almost makes up for some the kiddy diddling.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/02/rush-limbaugh-vs-the-pope/?hpt=hp_t2
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« Reply #3092 on: December 02, 2013, 02:14:44 PM »


Stupid Democrats owned again.

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« Reply #3093 on: December 02, 2013, 05:58:46 PM »
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« Reply #3094 on: December 02, 2013, 06:53:03 PM »
Talk about ignorant, Parks was like a full 30 years before the real end of racism, the first airing of The Cosby Show
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« Reply #3096 on: December 02, 2013, 09:43:02 PM »
http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2013/12/02/nsa-sent-home-talking-points-for-employees-to-use-in-conversations-with-family-friends-during-holidays/
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The “talking points” sheet suggests that employees make five key points: (1) NSA’s mission is of great value to the Nation”; (2) NSA performs its mission the right way—lawful, compliant and in a way that protects civil liberties and privacy; (3) NSA performs its mission exceptionally well. We strive to be the best that we can be, because that’s what America requires as part of its defense in a dangerous world; (4) The people who work for NSA are loyal Americans with expert skills who make sacrifices to help protect the freedoms we all cherish; (5) NSA is committed to increased transparency, public dialog and faithful implementation of any changes required by our overseers.
:lol Reminds me of this: http://www.barackobama.com/health-care-holidays/

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oh god: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/general-bill-o%E2%80%99reilly-declares-the-official-start-of-the-war-on-the-war-on-christmas%E2%84%A2/

oh god: http://www.mediaite.com/online/organizing-for-action-asks-followers-to-hold-newtown-anniversary-events/
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« Reply #3097 on: December 03, 2013, 04:05:16 PM »
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/03/alec-funding-crisis-big-donors-trayvon-martin

ALEC FALLING ON HARD TIMES


ALEC facing funding crisis from donor exodus in wake of Trayvon Martin row
• Rightwing lobby group appealing to major donors to return
• Internal documents reveal so-called 'Prodigal Son Project'
• Network lost almost 400 state legislators over past two years

An influential US lobbying network of Republican politicians and big businesses is seeking to avert a looming funding crisis by appealing to major donors that have abandoned it over the past two years following criticism of its policy on gun laws.

The Guardian has learned that the American Legislative Exchange Council (Alec), which shapes and promotes legislation at state level across the US, has identified more than 40 lapsed corporate members it wants to attract back into the fold under a scheme referred to in its documents as the "Prodigal Son Project".

The target firms include commercial giants such as Amazon, Coca-Cola, General Electric, Kraft, McDonald's and Walmart, all of which cut ties with the group following the furore over the killing of the unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin in Florida in February 2012.

much more at the link including how ALEC will try to rebrand as the Jeffersonian project to try and get back on the payroll

edit: oh god the documents included are gold y'all

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http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/841593-alec-docs.html#annotation/a134830
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« Reply #3099 on: December 03, 2013, 04:37:53 PM »
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/03/alec-funding-crisis-big-donors-trayvon-martin

ALEC FALLING ON HARD TIMES


ALEC facing funding crisis from donor exodus in wake of Trayvon Martin row
• Rightwing lobby group appealing to major donors to return
• Internal documents reveal so-called 'Prodigal Son Project'
• Network lost almost 400 state legislators over past two years

An influential US lobbying network of Republican politicians and big businesses is seeking to avert a looming funding crisis by appealing to major donors that have abandoned it over the past two years following criticism of its policy on gun laws.

The Guardian has learned that the American Legislative Exchange Council (Alec), which shapes and promotes legislation at state level across the US, has identified more than 40 lapsed corporate members it wants to attract back into the fold under a scheme referred to in its documents as the "Prodigal Son Project".

The target firms include commercial giants such as Amazon, Coca-Cola, General Electric, Kraft, McDonald's and Walmart, all of which cut ties with the group following the furore over the killing of the unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin in Florida in February 2012.

much more at the link including how ALEC will try to rebrand as the Jeffersonian project to try and get back on the payroll

edit: oh god the documents included are gold y'all

just tldr the annotations
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/841593-alec-docs.html#annotation/a134830

I'd say good fucking riddance, but I know those cockroaches will find someway to survive.
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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3101 on: December 03, 2013, 06:21:41 PM »
http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/11/post_93.html

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[Mark] McFarlin is a Democrat running for governor from Bay County. He’s doing it without the blessing of the big shots in his party. He’s doing it without much money, name identification, and most would agree, not much of a chance of wrestling the nomination away from fellow Democrat Mark Schauer.

So when the underdog was asked to appear on statewide Public TV, he likely dropped everything he was dong to gobble up some free media. And he made news, perhaps without knowing it.

...

“Have you ever voted for a Republican?” the Democrat was asked.

“Yes, Mitt Romney,” he revealed while adding he had two chances to vote for Barack Obama and did not.

Now he had every correspondent’s attention as he launches into his assertion that Mr. Obama is not a citizen of the United States.

Donald Trump, step-aside.

Asked if he believed Mr. O. was born in Hawaii, he said, “No.”

Asked if he believed Mr. O. was born in the United States, he said. “No.”

As a private investigator, Mr. McFarlin argues the document the White House issued to
end this never-ending flap is suspect.

How’s so?

He claims the term “African-American” appears on the line for race on the birth certificate and Mr. McFarlin says at the time Mr. Obama was born the term was not in use. He argues the term should have been “Negro.”
Finally, someone who is ready to represent and provide leadership for the people of Michigan. Too bad the big wigs aren't going to let him speak truth to power.

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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3102 on: December 03, 2013, 09:30:50 PM »
in b4 "Phoenix Dark, explain"

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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3103 on: December 03, 2013, 09:49:05 PM »
Oh yeah- I successfully signed up for healthcare last week through healthcare.gov.  Got my confirmation letter from BlueCross BlueShield of NC on Monday, just have to send in my (heavily subsidized) first month's payment and I'm good to go.

THANKS OBAMA.
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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3104 on: December 03, 2013, 11:42:13 PM »
Congrats on buying the Best Buy 2 year service plan.

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« Reply #3105 on: December 03, 2013, 11:59:45 PM »
:wag

Got a silver plan, dog.  Cheap co-pays, low deductible, can see specialists without a referral. 

:whew
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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3106 on: December 04, 2013, 08:48:02 AM »
So spit it out Triumph. Did you do it because you had to or did you do it because you were finally able to acquire health insurance at a reasonable price?
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« Reply #3107 on: December 04, 2013, 10:22:09 AM »
So spit it out Triumph. Did you do it because you had to or did you do it because you were finally able to acquire health insurance at a reasonable price?

The plan I signed up for is $270 or so a month without subsidies; I'm paying roughly $40 of that.  No fucking way on earth I would sign up for it if I couldn't afford it, I think the fine is something paltry like $90 or $100 the first year.  I'd pay the fine.

If NC had expanded medicaid, I'd probably qualify for that, but out governor is a fucktard that's basically given the operation of the entire state government over to the lunatic, libertopian owner of Family Dollar, so that ain't happening.  I'll almost certainly have to be reassessed when I get an actual job next summer after graduating, but I imagine that whatever said job is will have a health care plan as part of the benefits.
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« Reply #3108 on: December 04, 2013, 10:39:53 AM »
That sounds terrible. I'm sure we will get to read your whole horror story over at drudge later today.
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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3109 on: December 04, 2013, 11:38:41 AM »
One of my part time sales guys has insurance for the first time in like 4 years.  THANKS OBAMA
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« Reply #3110 on: December 04, 2013, 12:20:51 PM »

 :patel
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« Reply #3111 on: December 04, 2013, 12:39:03 PM »
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« Reply #3112 on: December 04, 2013, 01:43:14 PM »
If that's what JFK would look like today, they can have him.

I'm not talking about the politics, I'm talking about that drawing. :yuck
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« Reply #3113 on: December 04, 2013, 02:25:15 PM »
If that's what JFK would look like today, they can have him.

I'm not talking about the politics, I'm talking about that drawing. :yuck
Wow, give the guy a break he was shot in the head.

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« Reply #3114 on: December 04, 2013, 02:27:59 PM »
If that's what JFK would look like today, they can have him.

I'm not talking about the politics, I'm talking about that drawing. :yuck
Wow, give the guy a break he was shot in the head.

There's some low hanging fruit about having your brains blown out qualifying you to be a member of the Tea Party, but I'll leave it be.
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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3115 on: December 05, 2013, 11:45:34 AM »
what in the holy fuck?

http://www.mhpbooks.com/linus-and-ann-coulter-perfect-together-peanuts-signs-with-regnerys-little-patriot-press/

In a blow to the forces of failure, ineradicable dirtiness, hopeless love, art-for-art’s sake, and Walter Mitty-esque fantasies everywhere, the Peanuts franchise has signed a deal with Regnery Publishing, Inc., otherwise known as the publishers of Newt Gingrich, Ann Coulter, Dinesh D’Souza, Michelle Malkin, and Chuck Norris.

Regnery’s imprint, Little Patriot Press, which publishes books for children ages 5-8 years old, licensed the rights to use the Peanuts characters in a series of books about American history, civics, and, presumably, being a Little Patriot. It’s kicking it off in fall 2014 with three books about American inventors and explorers, to be followed by approximately nine more of these travesties.

The Little Patriot Press is a relatively new addition to the Regnery stable: it was founded three years ago, and up til now has been publishing books by the husband-and-wife writer-and-illustrator team of Peter and Cheryl Barnes. The Barneses got their start in children’s book publishing in the ‘90s (after running some Jenny Craig franchises into the ground) with a series of books about vacation sites (Nat, Nat, the Nantucket Cat, etc), but they hit a goldmine when they came up with a mice-and-Washington combination and sold over half a million in paperback editions through Scholastic. Their books featuring Woodrow G. Washingtail and other mice are currently the core of Little Patriot Press; the Peanuts deal is the house’s first license.

Little Patriot’s aims are clearly prophylactic — on their “About” page, they write:

    Children today are exposed to current events and politics at increasingly earlier ages. That’s why Regnery Publishing launched Little Patriot Press…

And now it seems that the Peanuts characters have been enlisted in this patriotic venture. Regnery’s president and publisher Marji Ross pretty much spelled it all out in a press release announcing the deal:

    “Who better than Snoopy, Charlie Brown, Linus, and the rest of the Peanuts gang to help teach children about what makes America strong, and the lessons we have learned over the past 250 years? We are delighted to be working with such a trusted and beloved brand… and look forward to publishing books that become great teaching tools—as well as family treasures.”

Which begs the question, has she ever read a Peanuts strip? While it’s possible — just possible — that Lucy van Pelt could be reclaimed by the right as an example of plucky individualism and tough love, there’s no redeeming the rest of those perpetual no-hopers.

Consider Snoopy: he is a dog with writerly ambitions who lives in a fantasy world and speaks French. Or Schroeder, with his single-minded devotion to Beethoven, his disdain for traditional marriage, and his knowledge of the works of Thomas Hardy.

And of course, Charlie Brown is the very embodiment of everything that has never made America strong and all the lessons we have never learned. With Charlie Brown at the helm, we would still be wandering around in the Massachusetts woods; our baseball teams would lose; our football teams would lose; all of our attempts at flight would have ended up in the Kite-Eating Tree; we’d be prematurely bald, bad at swearing, and equipped with a sense of perpetual victimhood. Brown is the Great American Depressive, and I for one am loath to let him serve some rah-rah agenda.
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« Reply #3116 on: December 05, 2013, 11:49:49 AM »
Perfect for the kid that's already read Rush Revere and The Brave Pilgrims cover-to-cover a hundred times and is itching for more!

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« Reply #3117 on: December 05, 2013, 11:53:48 AM »
Good grief.

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« Reply #3118 on: December 05, 2013, 12:46:02 PM »
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« Reply #3119 on: December 05, 2013, 12:53:46 PM »
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