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« Reply #3180 on: December 12, 2013, 12:52:29 PM »
Can we change the title of this thread to "SELFIEGHAZI!" to reflect the current state of American politics?
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« Reply #3181 on: December 12, 2013, 12:59:32 PM »
http://money.cnn.com/2013/12/12/news/economy/military-pensions-budget/index.html?iid=Lead

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House budget chief Rep. Paul Ryan's website states that military retirement "provides an exceptionally generous benefit, often providing 40 years of pension payments in return for 20 years of service," as it explains why benefits should be trimmed.

In other words, "Suck it, takers. You are lucky I let you have anything at all."
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« Reply #3183 on: December 12, 2013, 01:58:47 PM »
http://money.cnn.com/2013/12/12/news/economy/military-pensions-budget/index.html?iid=Lead

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House budget chief Rep. Paul Ryan's website states that military retirement "provides an exceptionally generous benefit, often providing 40 years of pension payments in return for 20 years of service," as it explains why benefits should be trimmed.

Let's start by trimming pensions for retired Congresspeople first, then.
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« Reply #3184 on: December 12, 2013, 02:41:08 PM »
Maybe he went into sugar shock over a Danish pastry.

The president of the United States, leader of the free world, standard-bearer for everything upright, good and wholesome about the nation he leads, lost his morality, his dignity and his mind, using the solemn occasion of Nelson Mandela’s memorial service Tuesday to act like a hormone-ravaged frat boy on a road trip to a strip bar.

In front of 91 world leaders, the mourning nation of South Africa and Obama’s clearly furious wife, Michelle, the president flirted, giggled, whispered like a recalcitrant child and made a damn fool of himself at first sight of Denmark’s voluptuously curvy and married prime minister, Helle Thorning-Schmidt.

Not to be outdone by the president’s bad behavior, the Danish hellcat hiked up her skirt to expose long Scandinavian legs covered by nothing more substantial than sheer black stockings.

With Michelle glowering, the world judging and mental fidelity floating into the abyss, the president leaned into the air space of the cross-legged Danish cupcake, who is known in Copenhagen as a fan of America’s randy TV show “Sex and the City.’’ It was the memorial equivalent of a bodice-ripper.

Thorning-Schmidt placed her hands dangerously close to Obama’s side. The president’s cackling head moved inches from the Danish tart’s and yards away from his wife’s. Obama then proceeded to absorb body heat from the Dane, which he won’t be feeling at home for a long time.

This wasn’t a key party. This was a service that filled an entire Johannesburg soccer stadium for Mandela, the great leader who freed his people out of racial oppression and died last Thursday at age 95.

He was a man who Obama compared at the memorial to Abraham Lincoln, Mahatma Gandhi and Dr. Martin Luther King. And here was the president, publicly behaving as if he was plotting his next hook-up.

It was unseemly.

Michelle frowned and looked as if she wanted to spit acid at the man she married, a good-time guy who humiliated her in front of their friends, the world and a blonde bimbo who hadn’t the sense to cover up and keep it clean.

Finally, Obama posed for an iPhone selfie with the Danish hottie and British Prime Minister David Cameron. Only after the damaging photo eruption did Obama get hold of himself and regain a dim memory of his marriage vows. He finally straightened his face and moved away from the gentle gams of the Danish object of his desire.

He leaned nearer to Michelle, who clearly wasn’t having any of her husband.

On Wednesday, Thorning-Schmidt saw nothing wrong with the public display of middle-aged lust. One Danish Facebook user called the antics of a president of 52 and a prime minister of 46 “frivolous and disrespectful.” Another said it was “extremely inappropriate and embarrassing.’’

But Thorning-Schmidt attempted to laugh off the whole thing, saying, “It was not inappropriate.’’ Not inappropriate?

Pairing a black suit and blue tie is not inappropriate. Giving your wife grounds for divorce might be seen as otherwise.

But people won’t soon forget the escapades of the people whose salaries they pay.

President Obama has some ’splaining to do. To the woman he married. To his daughters. To the people of South Africa. And to the scandalized folks here at home.

He owes the world an apology.

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« Reply #3185 on: December 12, 2013, 02:54:58 PM »
somebody took the time to write that, copy edit it, revise it, submit it to the publisher, and put that into print.

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« Reply #3186 on: December 12, 2013, 03:01:42 PM »
Obama doesn't owe you shit, lady.
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« Reply #3187 on: December 12, 2013, 03:29:04 PM »
:drudge "the gentle gams of the Danish object of his desire."  :drudge

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« Reply #3188 on: December 12, 2013, 05:24:35 PM »
"Scandinavian legs" :rofl :rofl

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« Reply #3189 on: December 12, 2013, 05:51:26 PM »
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Covered California And California Department Of Health Care Services Release November Statistics For Health Insurance Marketplace

 SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Covered California™ and the California Department of Health Care Services (DHCS) announced today that applications were started for an estimated 777,000 individuals seeking coverage between Oct. 1 and Nov. 30 under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

“This has been a phenomenal experience as Californians have expressed in words and action their desire for affordable and quality health insurance coverage,” Covered California Executive Director Peter V. Lee said. “Enrollments and applications are surging, and we at Covered California — and our partners — are stepping up our game to meet the demand.”

Enrollment in November more than doubled that of October, with 78,377 individuals enrolled in subsidized or unsubsidized coverage through Covered California and 108,000 being determined to be likely eligible for Medi-Cal, with coverage beginning in January 2014.

For the two-month period, 109,296 individuals enrolled in Covered California health insurance plans. For the same period, 179,000 were determined to be likely eligible for Medi-Cal.

Early returns in December signal larger numbers to come.

In the week of Dec. 1-7, an additional 144,146 applications for individuals (averaging 20,590 per day) were completed, and 49,708 individuals selected plans (averaging 7,100 per day).
http://coveredcanews.blogspot.com/2013/12/covered-california-and-california.html

Nice numbers coming from California. With respect to the state exchanges, California, Kentucky, and Vermont are doing quite well.
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« Reply #3190 on: December 12, 2013, 05:53:16 PM »
TL;DR version of that NY Post article:

You could see her knees, the slut! How could Obama control his brutish negro hormones at such a sight??
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« Reply #3192 on: December 12, 2013, 08:58:09 PM »
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« Reply #3193 on: December 12, 2013, 09:24:38 PM »
da goat troll
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« Reply #3194 on: December 13, 2013, 01:40:03 AM »
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tea party members to agree with putin and invoke heavy cognitive dissonance so large it'd cause whiplash in 3...2...1.
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« Reply #3195 on: December 13, 2013, 01:50:10 AM »
it's a fake quote
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« Reply #3196 on: December 13, 2013, 02:08:05 AM »
When I first saw it I thought it was a troll quote but the name and picture lined up. Should edit it to read "Thomas Jefferson" or something.

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« Reply #3197 on: December 13, 2013, 12:01:19 PM »
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Oh Jesus fuck, why in the world would we let this happen intentionally?


Also I have no issue with Obama and the Danish lady. Pimps gotta pimp.
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« Reply #3198 on: December 13, 2013, 03:53:22 PM »
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« Reply #3199 on: December 13, 2013, 05:10:00 PM »
The sequester was a bad way to cut military spending, I'm glad some of it has been replaced.

Not glad that people's pensions are being raided to pay for it.
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« Reply #3200 on: December 13, 2013, 06:49:42 PM »

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« Reply #3201 on: December 13, 2013, 08:06:19 PM »
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/media-matters-declares-victory-over-fox-news (or: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/13/media-matters-fox_n_4433207.html)
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Media Matters leaked that “in the coming years, Fox will no longer be the center of Media Matters’ universe.” What changed? Nothing, really, considering that Fox News still effectively dominates the ratings, with better numbers than MSNBC and CNN combined. But Media Matters reports that it has “effectively discredited the network’s desire to be seen as ‘fair and balanced.’”

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Fox has successfully introduced new primetime host Megyn Kelly, who is not an opinion host. Media Matters admits that it has been having difficulty targeting Kelly, with new Vice President Angelo Carusone explaining, “We deal with reality. She's not as vitriolic. On the other hand, she is in some ways more pernicious because her credibility has not been completely and totally eroded ... so she has the potential to legitimize and validate smears and lies in ways that some of the more disreputable figures on Fox can no longer do, which just presents a new challenge."

Meanwhile, MSNBC, by way of contrast, has lost both Martin Bashir and Alec Baldwin in the aftermath of their increasingly extreme commentary and extra-curricular rhetoric.

But that means success for Media Matters, with Carusone stating, “The war on Fox is over. And it’s not just that it’s over but it was very successful. To a large extent, we won.”
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« Reply #3202 on: December 13, 2013, 08:16:44 PM »
Truth Revolt has a very fitting name.
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« Reply #3203 on: December 13, 2013, 08:21:30 PM »
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Truth Revolt responded to critics stating their tactics are "distasteful", but also "effective", and "the surest way to stop these distasteful tactics is to make sure that both sides pay equally for their use. The little-told truth of Mutually Assured Destruction is that it works, and that it has kept the peace between major powers for sixty years."
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« Reply #3204 on: December 13, 2013, 08:26:38 PM »
With Ben "Friends of Hamas" Shapiro running the show, you know you're going to get quality journalism!
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« Reply #3205 on: December 13, 2013, 08:29:08 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/13/opinion/brooks-strengthen-the-presidency.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Quote from: David Brooks
But there is a way out: Make the executive branch more powerful.

This is a good moment to advocate greater executive branch power because we’ve just seen a monumental example of executive branch incompetence: the botched Obamacare rollout.
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« Reply #3206 on: December 13, 2013, 08:31:27 PM »
:hitler There needs to be more centralized power in this country anyway, not less. People who think they're islands or living in Red Dawn are part of the problem.
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« Reply #3207 on: December 13, 2013, 09:06:02 PM »
Presidents make the executive branch more powerful every four years, dunno what Brooks is talkin' bout.

A better way to avoid failures like the Obamacare rollout would be to, you know, make government work better. One of the most laughable parts of Obama's "please understand" apology was him saying government sucks at IT stuff, has for decades, and needs to get better. As if he was some outsider with no power to change that. Make it better. You don't need congress to do that.
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« Reply #3208 on: December 13, 2013, 09:31:10 PM »
I guess I don't understand the mentality that says "they fucked up, so give them more power!"

Does Brooks (or whoever) keep going to the same restaurant and buying more until they stop giving him food poisoning?

On second thought, maybe the gaming community isn't the place to ask these kinds of questions.

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« Reply #3209 on: December 13, 2013, 09:36:42 PM »
Thanks for making me read a David Brooks column, benji.

I take back everything nice I ever said about you, you filthy anarchist swine.

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« Reply #3210 on: December 13, 2013, 09:40:22 PM »
I'll have you know that I have a perfectly creased pant leg.

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« Reply #3211 on: December 13, 2013, 09:45:13 PM »
In like 10 years when Barack & David, a book that collects the letters both men sent each other over the course of eight years, is released I'm going to send it to Mandark as his Secret Santa gift.
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« Reply #3212 on: December 13, 2013, 10:23:52 PM »
Obamacare is like an Obsidian game, it's got a ton of bugs at launch but it's still way better than what the competition is offering. And they'll eventually release enough patches to fix the worst problems.
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« Reply #3213 on: December 13, 2013, 10:28:54 PM »
thats depressingly accurate
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« Reply #3214 on: December 13, 2013, 10:34:54 PM »
Obamacare is like an Obsidian game, it's got a ton of bugs at launch but it's still way better than what the competition is offering. And they'll eventually release enough patches to fix the worst problems.
Obama just announced he's hired LucasArts to oversee the project.

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« Reply #3215 on: December 13, 2013, 11:25:07 PM »
I'm really starting to get behind the idea of it. Really liked the bit in there about telling people to think of it in terms of how they'd spend it themselves.

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« Reply #3216 on: December 14, 2013, 12:50:07 AM »
The thing about Obamacare is that it's no longer an abstract spectre. It exists, and tons of people are signing up. The federal and state exchanges are doing well, and if MA's Romneycare situation is a guide we can expect an onslaught of last minute signups right before December 23rd.

No matter what happens in 2014, the president will remain a democrat meaning the law isn't going anywhere. But that brings us to the point about the law existing. By the time the 2016 primaries start, in late 2015/early 2016, there will be at least 5-6mil people signed up for private insurance through Obamacare, and perhaps even more signed up in the Medicaid expansion. How are republicans going to campaign on taking millions of people's health care away? We already saw the freakout over a few million people losing their (shitty) insurance plans, how will any candidate successfully run on eliminating millions of people's less shitty insurance plans? I just don't see that as being a feasible electoral goal. Especially considering it's unlikely any of the candidates will have their own health care plans.

Let's not forget that in 2008 multiple democrat candidates have extensive healthcare plans. IIRC John Edwards had the best universal healthcare plan, Hillary had one, and Obama had a slightly less ambitious one (with no mandate). Their plans had been analyzed by the CBO, they weren't simple bullet points on two pieces of paper. And more than a few of the ideas from those plans went into the ACA. Given the right's disinterest in actually governing, I can't imagine any of them having a detailed healthcare plan ready in 2016.

Ultimately, republicans will have to settle for sabotaging the law in the short term, and making it better (or worse) in the long term. I can see a republican running on adding tort reform to Obamacare, or allowing people to purchase insurance across state lines. Basically the typical ideas that don't work.
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« Reply #3217 on: December 14, 2013, 05:26:49 PM »

:rofl

I'll defend her in the sense that I don't think she was outraged at the idea of a black Santa. Nor did I take offense to the segment, I just thought it was laughable at how haughtily she said "of course Santa is white." Well yea, the western image of him is white. But St. Nicholas was definitely a brown dude. As was Jesus btw...

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« Reply #3218 on: December 14, 2013, 07:12:22 PM »
Penguin Santa would be a'ight

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« Reply #3219 on: December 15, 2013, 03:14:33 AM »


http://www.kgw.com/news/Enrollees-report-erroneous-debits-by-WA-Healthplanfinder-235244701.html
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For the second week in a row, the Washington Healthplanfinder website is down, and it's causing problems for people who are dealing with billing issues. Some of them say the website is mistakenly debiting their accounts.

Shannon Bruner of Indianola logged on to her checking account Monday morning, and found she was almost 800 dollars in the negative.

“The first thing I thought was, ‘I got screwed,’” she said.

The Bruners enrolled for insurance on the Washington Healthplanfinder website, last October. They say they selected the bill pay date to be December 24th. Instead the Washington Healthplanfinder drafted the 835 dollar premium Monday.

Josh Bruner started his own business this year as an engineering recruiter. They said it’s forced them to pay a lot of attention to their bills and their bank accounts.

“Big knot in my gut because we're trying to keep it together,” said Shannon Bruner. “It's important to me that this kind of stuff doesn't happen.”

They're not alone.

One viewer emailed KING 5 saying, "They drafted my account this morning for a second time."

Another woman on Facebook with a similar problem commented, "We are all in the same boat."

“We've got to figure out how to get money to pay the bills for the next week or two until we have another check come through,” said Josh Bruner. “It's just crazy.”

Washington Healthplanfinder emailed the Bruners a few days ago telling them to log in to view their invoice, something they couldn't do because the website has been down. The Bruners haven't been able to get through on the helpline either. They finally contacted Healthplanfinder administrators by posting a message on their Facebook page.
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« Reply #3220 on: December 15, 2013, 03:23:57 AM »
mistake or fraud. This should be fun.
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« Reply #3221 on: December 15, 2013, 03:30:30 AM »
I don't have any my bills setup to autopay like that because I'm convinced that they're all going to line up on the same day at the worst possible time (like my car breaking down or something). Even though the odds of this are so low and I don't know anyone it's happened to.

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« Reply #3222 on: December 15, 2013, 03:34:17 AM »
Apparently the exchange here in MD is one of the ones that was botched.  The lieutenant governor, who's running for governor, was at least nominally in charge of getting it set up and he's already being hammered by his opponent in the primaries.

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« Reply #3223 on: December 15, 2013, 04:15:48 AM »
It really seems like few states haven't had any problems (Kentucky, Vermont, and California mainly). I've read about some of MD and other states' problems but none compare to Oregon. Complete fuck up, the state was basically swindled by a bad IT deal. Very surprising given how on board the state has been with respect to the law; there was talk of them trying a single payer system, they have two liberal senators, etc. Things will get better but jeez what an ugly roll out.
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« Reply #3224 on: December 15, 2013, 12:56:45 PM »
The Pope expanded on his critique of "trickle-down" economics, noting that "The promise was that when the glass was full, it would overflow, benefiting the poor. But what happens instead, is that when the glass is full, it magically gets bigger nothing ever comes out for the poor."

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« Reply #3225 on: December 15, 2013, 12:59:29 PM »
Thanks Popebama!
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« Reply #3226 on: December 15, 2013, 01:00:54 PM »
Never thought I'd say this, but I'm liking this new pope.

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« Reply #3227 on: December 15, 2013, 03:09:33 PM »
New Pope is cool simply for the fact that he doesn't look fucking evil as shit
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« Reply #3228 on: December 15, 2013, 03:15:35 PM »
I'm surprised the Vatican hasn't leaked anything about him yet.
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Rasmussen: Whom do you consider the most influential person in 2013?
23% Pope Francis
21% Barack Obama
11% Ted Cruz
8% Edward Snowden
4% Vladimir Putin
3% John Boehner
3% Chris Christie
2% Miley Cyrus
2% Kate Middleton
1% Angela Merkel
1% Malala Yousafzai
1% Kathleen Sebelius
0% Bashar Assad
0% Kanye West
0% Lebron James
0% George Zimmerman
12% Some other person
9% Not sure

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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3230 on: December 15, 2013, 04:29:31 PM »
lol George Zimmerman  :-\
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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3231 on: December 15, 2013, 06:03:48 PM »
Kate Middleton :lol
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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3232 on: December 15, 2013, 06:41:24 PM »
but both sides are the same

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I used to hear this all the time before Bush Jr. took office. "It doesn't matter who you vote for! It makes no difference!" 

Someone -- ANYONE -- tell me with a straight face that President Gore would have had us in Iraq and Afghanistan after 9/11. It would not have gone down this way.

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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3233 on: December 15, 2013, 06:46:28 PM »
I think he would have invaded Afghanistan but that's it.  No neocons in office=no Hussein obsession.
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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3234 on: December 15, 2013, 06:54:15 PM »
Someone -- ANYONE -- tell me with a straight face that President Gore would have had us in Iraq and Afghanistan after 9/11.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act

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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3235 on: December 15, 2013, 07:04:29 PM »
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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3237 on: December 15, 2013, 09:06:30 PM »
The Pope expanded on his critique of "trickle-down" economics, noting that "The promise was that when the glass was full, it would overflow, benefiting the poor. But what happens instead, is that when the glass is full, it magically gets bigger nothing ever comes out for the poor."

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Francis said many places in the world were seeing a "serious rise" in inequality between people living side by side.

He attacked the "widening gap between those who have more and those who must be content with the crumbs", calling on governments to implement "effective policies" to guarantee people's fundamental rights, including access to capital, services, educational resources, healthcare and technology.

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He attacked the "widening gap between those who have more and those who must be content with the crumbs", calling on governments to implement "effective policies"

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calling on governments to implement "effective policies"

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calling on governments

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GOVERNMENTS (!!!!!)

How will the righties get out of this one? :smug


And will this be the first instance in history where the Pope gets ex-communicated?

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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3238 on: December 15, 2013, 10:26:22 PM »
benji, I'm gonna assume that's just some breezy trolling, cause it's too late for me to be explaining the difference between the ILA and the AUMF, or the MKO and Al Qaeda, which I suspect you already know yourself.

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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3239 on: December 16, 2013, 12:35:23 AM »
I still wouldn't want to be on the side of a bet against a Democratic administration throwing military force around, even if only to avoid appearing "soft" on defense, especially a Gore-Lieberman administration.