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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3420 on: January 09, 2014, 10:26:40 PM »
Kerry has seemingly made more actual impact in a year than Hillary did in four as Sec of State. I like Hillary but that's the truth.

Ultimately we don't know what will happen in two years. In 2006 everyone assumed Hillary and Gulianni would be duking it out. A year later no one thought Barack Hussein Obama had a chance, outside of Cheebs - but he has a Masters degree and we don't.
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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3421 on: January 09, 2014, 10:59:12 PM »
Speak for yourself.  :smug

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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3422 on: January 10, 2014, 12:08:02 AM »

In 2006 everyone assumed Hillary and Gulianni would be duking it out. A year later no one thought Barack Hussein Obama had a chance, outside of Cheebs

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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3423 on: January 10, 2014, 12:16:49 AM »
Schweitzer is chairman of a mining company now, guys. That's not gonna play too well with the granola wing of the Democratic party, many of whom you need on board to win the primary.

Warren by all accounts doesn't like campaigning, had to be talked into running by Schumer, and has said repeatedly she's not running. I actually believe her.

Now, my girlfriends Kirsten Gillibrand and Amy Klobuchar...
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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3424 on: January 10, 2014, 12:19:21 AM »
Hillary's negatives are going to go back up if she officially gets back into partisan politics, that's mostly among people who aren't going to vote in Democratic primaries.  I think the nomination's hers if she wants it, barring something dramatic.


PS TA was seriously buttmad about the Christie thing.  What was that all about?

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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3425 on: January 10, 2014, 12:40:40 AM »
How many difficulties would Gillibrand run into in terms of raising money going against Hillary, I'd imagine there's a similar big donor base regarding New York. Another big win in 2018 and she'd be pretty strong going into 2024 (or 2020) against Booker, Cuomo, Warner, Castro and Harris*.

While looking for some ages of people I came across this graphic from the NYT in 2008.  :lol



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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3426 on: January 10, 2014, 12:46:43 AM »
Kathleen Sebelius  :neogaf

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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3427 on: January 10, 2014, 07:51:00 AM »
Schweitzer is a very good candidate, and could challenge Hillary. Her negatives have really gone up, which I suppose is only natural, and they'll only increase in 2015/2016. There's the issue of Clinton fatigue as well, not to mention that she'll be directly tied to the Obama administration. Who knows how Obama will be viewed in 2015/2016. If the economy continues to improve we'll be around 6.5 unemployment if not lower, Obamacare will have 9-15 million people, etc.

Of course, that's the optimistic take. If the economy crashes again, Obamacare turns out to be a disaster, etc then Hillary will be very vulnerable as the "more of the same" establishment candidate. Make no mistake,  Schweitzer is not a blow over, he won't trip over himself, and he's more entertaining than O'Malley and Cuomo. I think Biden is a nonstarter, especially after Gates took a dump on him this week. I had read before that Biden is often the "devil's advocate" in meetings, but it sounds like he really rustles the military's jimmies with that shit.

Republicans: Christie will survive this bridge thing if he's telling the truth. If not, GG. I'd imagine Scott Walker benefits the most, as he is an establishment candidate who doesn't really offend tea party radicals.

All I know is that Hillary is 66 now and will be 68-69 if she decides to run in 2016.  This upcoming election is her last chance if she wants to run and we all know that she wants to be President badly.  Her time as Secretary of State wasn't the strongest but that can be seen as an advantage as well, especially if Obama's poll numbers get into the W. territory (they're pretty low as it is, this is a probable scenario); she can throw up her hands and say that none of his failures were a reflection of her job as Secretary of State.  The only thing that can be tied to her in the voters minds would be Benghazi but nobody is going to give a shit about that in 2016.  The Clinton fatigue might be there but that was a bigger deal in 2008 where you'd have Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton.  Eight years of Obama has assuaged that feeling.

Then again her 2008 run was pretty weak and seemed to make mistakes constantly.  I assume that she would make sure that this didn't happen again but who knows.  Otherwise it seems like it is hers if she wants it, as it stands in January 2014.
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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3428 on: January 10, 2014, 11:41:47 AM »
New theory on Bridgeghazi:
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/watch/an-alternate-theory-of-the-bridgegate-scandal-111611971764
(From: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/10/1268630/-Rachel-Maddow-s-more-plausible-and-explosive-Christie-motive-for-Bridgegate)

Maddow posits that the target of the retaliation was NJ Senate leader Loretta Weinburg, not Fort Lee mayor Mark Sokolich, and it had to do with the four-year long skirmish over the NJ Supreme Court.  Fort Lee is in Weinburg's district.

5/2/2010 - Christie declined to reappoint NJ Supreme Court justice John Wallace (D), an unprecedented development and outraging Democrats.
2010-2013 - Senate Dems escalate feud, blocking every SC justice nominee Christie submits.
8/12/2013 - NJ Supreme Court justice Helen Hoens (R) is up for reappointment and Dems signal that her reconfirmation hearing will be contentious.  Hoens happens to be the wife of a close Christie aid.  Christie flips out and pulls her reappointment as well, then holds a temper-tantrum presser late in the day calling the Dem senators savage animals.
8/13/2013 - Kelly's early-morning email to Wildstein to say it's time for traffic problems in Fort Lee.
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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3431 on: January 10, 2014, 02:14:26 PM »
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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3432 on: January 10, 2014, 02:14:33 PM »


How have I never seen this
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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3435 on: January 10, 2014, 02:41:05 PM »
He's just having fun out there!
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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3436 on: January 10, 2014, 03:14:20 PM »
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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3437 on: January 10, 2014, 04:06:03 PM »
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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3438 on: January 10, 2014, 05:22:17 PM »
Very interesting article about Maryland setting hospital prices and spending
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/01/10/%253Fp%253D74854/

Could really transform healthcare, if it works. I'd love to see California play around with this. From what I understand they might introduce a single payer bill in the coming years, and use their Obamacare money to create something quite unique. Vermont is trying to do it right now.
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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3439 on: January 10, 2014, 05:31:49 PM »
How about eliminating certificates of need instead? I think we should try that. We can start in every state.

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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3440 on: January 10, 2014, 06:35:37 PM »
How about eliminating certificates of need instead? I think we should try that. We can start in every state.

Yeah.  And instead of Medicare, the government could issues letters of marque for viruses.

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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3441 on: January 10, 2014, 07:27:39 PM »
Hey, I'm sure that price controls will work this time.

And wouldn't want to eliminate any monopoly protection for BIG MEDICAL at the expense of customers, that's certainly not progressive. Much better to constrain supply in the name of higher profits. (But not too high if you aren't connected!)

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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3442 on: January 10, 2014, 07:47:02 PM »
I'm sorry.  If that seemed snarky and dismissive, it's cause it was.

Also, a prize system?  You really trust the government to set the conditions for winning, then fairly and accurately judge who meets those conditions?  Whither the public choice theorists!?

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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3443 on: January 10, 2014, 08:01:27 PM »
Of course not. Why would the government be involved? The goal is to expand information not eliminate it.

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« Reply #3444 on: January 10, 2014, 08:50:57 PM »
Or Maryland itself (the existing policy is something I posted about years and years ago, IIRC).  Or the UK or any number of other countries that get similarly involved in health care pricing.

Here's the problem for libertarians*.  By and large, they don't feel that certain goods (housing, education, nutrition, old-age pensions, medical care) are special enough to warrant any sort of non-market guarantee of provision, or really a different distribution system than the one we use for tchotchkes.  Plus government quotas or ceilings are inherently immoral, cause the threat of force is being used to prevent people from making their own decisions etc.

But most people are fine with policies like that if they feel the system is working for them.  So libertarians often feel the need to argue not just that this would be an attack on freedom, but that for practical purposes it will backfire.  The failing public school monopoly actually prevents competition that would provide better education in blighted urban areas!  Social security crowds out better investments which would grow the economy for everyone!  Minimum wages are hurting poor black teenagers by making them prohibitively costly to hire!

Buuuuut those arguments aren't always strictly true, nor is the libertarian's heart really in them.  Social security programs reduce elderly poverty rates, mandatory and publicly funded primary education reduces illiteracy, public health initiatives reduce disease, etc.  Now I'm sure it's easy enough to show these don't "work" in some economic sense: just do a quick supply/demand graph, highlight a triangle, and bingo!  Deadweight loss!  Not socially optimal!  But that's not going to outweigh people's actual experiences (or perceptions if you like), so if you say "it'll fail horribly because all government interventions always do" they're not going to change their minds.



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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3445 on: January 10, 2014, 09:29:24 PM »
I thought we were just being glib.  :(

You're exactly right there are two problems with price controls. They're suppression of liberty and they're suppression of information. So they suck and they can't work. What's the counter-argument of this? What's the metric (even under a system where peoples perceptions are reality*) that we're going to use to show the state under controls is superior when their very existence not only eliminates people from experiencing alternatives but deliberately denies they exist? And then we're supposed to ask the intentionally misinformed what they'll pick for everyone? Of course we can't free the serfs from or let them own the land, who will plant, harvest and distribute the grain?!?

Here's the problem philosophically for progressives**. They dislike the information that nature provides them with, so they call for a superior class of human (decided through politics) to hide the information and dress up this denial as "policy science" or something equally silly. And then blame nature for not behaving how the General Will wishes it to. And logically, this is a reason to restrict the liberties of the filthy uncouth underclass. It's for your own good!

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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3446 on: January 10, 2014, 09:33:37 PM »
I just wish libertarians would realize that health care isn't a market in any real sense of the word, and just shush*

Edit: not directed at you benji, you shouldn't shush.
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« Reply #3447 on: January 10, 2014, 09:42:26 PM »
I just wish more Libertarians had the courage of their convictions to take arguments to their rational, objective ends... like Mary Ruwart, who it took six ballots to deny the nomination for President at the party's convention in 2008, who argued that children should be allowed to make their own decisions vis a vis whether or not they wanted to be sex workers.
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« Reply #3448 on: January 10, 2014, 09:50:22 PM »
"Statists think they know what's best for people, but people can decide that for themselves!  Except when they vote.  Then I know best."

Still haven't heard a good explanation of how that's reconciled.

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« Reply #3449 on: January 10, 2014, 09:51:27 PM »
I just wish libertarians would realize that health care isn't a market in any real sense of the word, and just shush*
I guess I don't understand how it's not a market. There's scarcity and distributed information. You can only address this through exchange, so it's a market.

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Nah, I should, voluntaryism's methods are probably as much of a fools errand as electoral politics and I should just play videah gamez instead.

Too bad thinking you can eliminate Steam backlogs are even more of a fools errand.

"Statists think they know what's best for people, but people can decide that for themselves!  Except when they vote.  Then I know best."

Still haven't heard a good explanation of how that's reconciled.
What is there to be reconciled? People can decide for themselves, they can't decide for others without their consent.
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« Reply #3451 on: January 10, 2014, 10:11:55 PM »

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« Reply #3452 on: January 10, 2014, 10:20:33 PM »
What is there to be reconciled? People can decide for themselves, they can't decide for others without their consent.

Well that's lovely, and if you think people should have access to market institutions but not government institutions to negotiate how things are priced and distributed, just dandy.  But please leave out the schtick about how you respect people's autonomy while statists are a bunch of patronizing elitists.  It's disingenuous and grating.  Real talk.


And yeah, health care's a market of sorts.  But BOY HOWDY does moving that information around involve some serious friction, and market incentives seem rather less effective in that context than they do in the paperclip business, or the famed widget industry of ECON201.
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« Reply #3453 on: January 10, 2014, 10:38:15 PM »
But please leave out the schtick about how you respect people's autonomy while statists are a bunch of patronizing elitists.  It's disingenuous and grating.
How is it disingenuous?

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But the alternative is using political incentives. What happens when you can't meet the demand by using these?

I know, I know, they will because SCIENCE, but accept for arguments sake the premise, what if it doesn't? I'm of the opinion that this worldview just encourages further suppression of information and with that liberty and prosperity because the alternative is to relinquish power.

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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3454 on: January 10, 2014, 10:44:23 PM »
MORE political incentives. DUH.

...I will say that Doug Stanhope's idea for population control ("incentive based eugenics") is my favorite quasi-libertarian idea of all time ever.  "Now, hang on just a damn minute here... you're saying that if I cut my balls off, I get to go crossbow hunting with THE NUGE??? Sign me up, man! I'll cut mah own balls off!"
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« Reply #3455 on: January 10, 2014, 10:48:48 PM »
If people feel that the government is failing to provide adequate health care then they can vote in politicians who promise to boot the whole thing back to the private sector.

Boom, solved.

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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3456 on: January 11, 2014, 01:41:25 AM »
Meet the next President of the United States:

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/01/chris-christie-bullying-videos

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Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3457 on: January 11, 2014, 07:40:32 AM »
I think it's hilarious that the same shitheads that were defending Obama for the past 6 years over every minor, drummed up 'scandal' he was involved in are now jumping up and down about the Chris Christie bridge thing. What a bunch of douchebags.

Fast and Furious: a botched plan by the ATF. Nothing to do with Obama
IRS-gate: Teabagger organizations got delayed for their tax exempt status. Despite how lame that was, no involvement from Obama.
Healthcare.gov rollout: An issue of major incompetence, but nothing malicious.
BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI: Okay, so in this case Obama directly ordered the death of Chris Stevens. But so what? Why do you care? Not like you actually knew the guy or anything.
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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3458 on: January 11, 2014, 09:26:44 AM »
The IRS really needs more across the boards scrutiny of these tax exempt organization anyway, since most of them are blatantly flaunting the rules.

And as for libertarianism, it won't work because people are easily manipulated into working against their own best interest. So there.
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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3459 on: January 11, 2014, 10:20:30 AM »
Oblivion, I called them all minor and drummed up. But it's good to see that the guilt from your hypocrisy inspired you to post.

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« Reply #3460 on: January 11, 2014, 10:52:36 AM »
Oblivion, I called them all minor and drummed up. But it's good to see that the guilt from your hypocrisy inspired you to post.

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« Reply #3461 on: January 11, 2014, 11:09:52 AM »
...srsly, TA? Have you gone full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow again?

Or is this just the blowback from having the last great white GOP hope sunk?
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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3462 on: January 11, 2014, 12:12:15 PM »
What's funny is most democrats aren't freaking out or calling for Christie's head, they are just laughing that he's in such trouble for something so stupid.
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« Reply #3463 on: January 11, 2014, 01:06:43 PM »
Yeah, you only have to resign for a scandal if you're a democrat. That cokehead GOP congressman is done with "treatment" and back to "work" now.
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« Reply #3464 on: January 11, 2014, 01:26:00 PM »
Yeah, you only have to resign for a scandal if you're a democrat. That cokehead GOP congressman is done with "treatment" and back to "work" now.
You mean only democrats are dumb enough to resign. Republicans understand that in politics, you never resign. If Weiner didn't resign he'd still be in congress IMO.
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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3465 on: January 11, 2014, 01:26:10 PM »
Good thing Radel wasn't black and poor, otherwise he might have been in some trouble.
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« Reply #3466 on: January 11, 2014, 02:37:28 PM »
The problem is that "serious" media types will fall for the Drudges, Rushes, etc. trick of "why is he still in office?" and ask Dems constantly if they plan on resigning, etc. So that becomes the narrative. I highly doubt that ever happened to Radel.
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« Reply #3467 on: January 11, 2014, 02:43:11 PM »
It's worth noting Drudge is taking a giant dump on Christie right now. I follow a few conservatives writers on twitter and they're quite gleeful about the fall of the establishment candidate/Obama hugger.
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« Reply #3468 on: January 11, 2014, 03:02:22 PM »
Yeah, they're taking a dump on him because they view him as a RINO, not because they have any scruples or whatever.
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« Reply #3469 on: January 11, 2014, 03:04:51 PM »
Oh, is Christie the new Gingrich/McCain/Giuliani/Bloomberg?  That'd explain it.

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« Reply #3470 on: January 11, 2014, 03:40:52 PM »
Oh, is Christie the new Gingrich/McCain/Giuliani/Bloomberg?  That'd explain it.

Remember how everyone was begging him to jump into the race back in spring 2012? By late October/early November they wanted to kick him out the party, due to the Sandy thing and his "me me me" RNC speech.

I think he could win the nomination under the right conditions, but if not he's screwed. He'll have the money to survive the early, crazy states (Iowa, SC, NH), and once he gets to Florida and the midwest I think he can gain steam. But then again...that's the exact same strategy Gulianni bet on and we know how that ended.
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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3471 on: January 11, 2014, 05:29:59 PM »
Is this 'circling the wagons'. ... Pathetic.

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« Reply #3472 on: January 11, 2014, 05:41:21 PM »
Oblivion, I called them all minor and drummed up. But it's good to see that the guilt from your hypocrisy inspired you to post.

Everyday there is more water to carry. Don't abandon the important work.

Wait, what? No, seriously, how are those things that I listed in any way similar to what's happening with Christie?

Besides, as Steve Contra said, all this is just entertaining more than anything else.

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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3473 on: January 11, 2014, 06:58:19 PM »
Yeah, you only have to resign for a scandal if you're a democrat. That cokehead GOP congressman is done with "treatment" and back to "work" now.
You mean only democrats are dumb enough to resign. Republicans understand that in politics, you never resign. If Weiner didn't resign he'd still be in congress IMO.

You mean once they're already in office, not when they still have to win an election. I mean they didn't hesitate to throw Todd Akin under the bus and that was after he won the primary.

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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3474 on: January 11, 2014, 09:28:35 PM »
I'm not sure the partisan difference is all that big, it's so few people to begin with. At least for Congress anyway. Just looking at these lists: http://www.rollcall.com/politics/casualtylist.html

When the Republicans had control during the 1995-2006 period the list was:
D: Flake*, Ballance*, Tucker*, Reynolds*
R: Livingston, Janklow*, Ney*, Foley, DeLay, Cunningham*, Packerwood

When the Democrats had control from 2007-2010 the list was:
D: Massa
R: Souder

The last two Congresses have been:
D: Wu, Wiener
R: Ensign, Lee

*Convicted of or pled guilty to crimes.

EDIT: Anyone from those lists that I didn't list above either cited health concerns, took a job elsewhere (appointed to Cabinet, president of university, lobbyist, CEO of some firm, etc.), or lost a primary and resigned early while not having anything on their Wiki page about a scandal. Except for Mel Martinez I think who had no sort of explanation.
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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3475 on: January 12, 2014, 03:03:23 AM »
Remember how everyone was begging him to jump into the race back in spring 2012? By late October/early November they wanted to kick him out the party, due to the Sandy thing and his "me me me" RNC speech.

I think he could win the nomination under the right conditions, but if not he's screwed. He'll have the money to survive the early, crazy states (Iowa, SC, NH), and once he gets to Florida and the midwest I think he can gain steam. But then again...that's the exact same strategy Gulianni bet on and we know how that ended.

Pretty sure you have to be competitive in the early states.  Has anyone in the modern era gotten the nomination without doing well in Iowa and/or New Hampshire?  Giuliani's problem wasn't so much skipping the early states as campaigning there, failing, then claiming they were focusing on later states as damage control.

The Halperin/Heilemann book had a bunch of stuff about Christie being a "vetting nightmare" when Romney's team considered him for the VP slot, including Christie's people dragging their feet on sharing documents the Romney campaign asked for.  That probably has to be taken with a big grain of salt, considering how Romney's people probably felt about Christie in the immediate aftermath of the election.

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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3476 on: January 12, 2014, 03:46:33 AM »
Oh, is Christie the new Gingrich/McCain/Giuliani/Bloomberg?  That'd explain it.

Wait, when was the Newtster seen as a RINO? Remember when he put Juan Williams in his place at the Georgia debate?

benjipwns

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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3477 on: January 12, 2014, 03:59:28 AM »



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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3478 on: January 12, 2014, 04:05:03 AM »
Oh, I just meant Christie might be TA's new favorite Republican.  Just trying to figure why he's been so weirdly aggro.


And how bout it, benji?  Government doesn't meet health care demand, voters throw the bums out.  Interested in hearing your take on that.

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Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #3479 on: January 12, 2014, 07:00:13 AM »
The new Game Change also mentioned that Romney's folks were very concerned about a high placed female aide who travels with him everywhere. I kinda wonder if it was Bridget Kelly.

I'd imagine Christie would do better than Gulianni in early states, it wouldn't be hard to in fact. Coming in third or fourth, being competitive in the debates (Gulianni was pretty bad/911 911 911), and avoiding mistakes could set him up for a solid run in the Midwest.

Ultimately I think Scott Walker might be the safe pick. He'll have the establishment's blessing alongside Christie (assuming this scandal blows over) and is perhaps the only candidate who could unite the three sides of the party; tea party types like him, the business side love him, and a hard line military speech will do the rest. Needless to say he has a horrible economic record, slightly better than Christie's.
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