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« Reply #4440 on: April 04, 2014, 10:20:24 PM »
I enjoy Ygelsias' hard hitting economic analysis pieces on ASOIAF :yeshrug
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« Reply #4441 on: April 04, 2014, 11:37:00 PM »
And personal favorite:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/05/01/it_s_a_401_k_world_and_it_sucks.html
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In other words: A disaster. What's needed is a much more forceful, much more statist approach to forced savings, whether that's quasi-savings in the form of higher taxes and more Social Security benefits or something like a Singapore-style system where "private" savings are pooled into a state-run investment fund.

Now since we are in fact living in a 401(k) world, here's some advice. You've got to save a lot of money for retirement. More than you think. More than you want to. And you need to put that money in a broadly diversified, low-fee fund. And you have to keep it there. Don't panic when the market plunged and sell. In fact, unless you're planning on retiring in the next decade, don't even check how it's doing. Just buy and hold and shift into something less volatile when you're near retirement. Vanguard has these good Target 20XX funds that automatically shift you into less volatile products as you get closer to your target retirement date, allowing you to do even more ignoring of the state of your investments. Which is good. The only way for anyone to make any money managing your savings is to try and trick you into making trades you shouldn't make, or buying products you shouldn't buy.

He is 100% absolutely right here. Worst thing you can do is try and time the market. Just do steady low-cost index investing, everything else is for suckers.
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« Reply #4442 on: April 04, 2014, 11:48:00 PM »
Not checking on your investments?  :kobeyuck

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« Reply #4443 on: April 04, 2014, 11:55:43 PM »
and what would you plan on doing with that information?
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« Reply #4444 on: April 04, 2014, 11:57:39 PM »
Buy gold and bury it in my yard, duh.

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« Reply #4445 on: April 05, 2014, 12:14:38 AM »
http://abcnews.go.com/US/bridge-scandal-probe-heats-grand-jury-convened/story?id=23194999
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The U.S. Attorney in New Jersey has convened a grand jury to investigate the involvement of Governor Chris Christie’s office in the George Washington Bridge scandal, ABC News has learned.

Twenty-three jurors convened in a federal courthouse in Newark today to hear testimony from a key staff member, Christie press secretary Mike Drewniak, whose lawyer, Anthony Iacullo, said Drewniak was not a target of the investigation.

"We're here to answer questions and that's what Michael did today," Iacullo said.

The convening of the grand jury is evidence that the U.S. Attorney’s investigation has progressed beyond an inquiry and moved to the criminal phase.

The grand jury, which will meet for up to the next 18 months, has the power to indict, subpoena and interview witnesses without their attorney's present.

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« Reply #4446 on: April 05, 2014, 12:18:53 AM »
Seems like something would have leaked by now if they had anything on Christie. I think he's either clean or will get away with this.
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« Reply #4447 on: April 05, 2014, 12:31:27 AM »
All it did was raise his national profile and galvanize the right behind him. GG Dems.

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« Reply #4448 on: April 05, 2014, 06:13:36 AM »
These aren't as bad as I expected, from The Blaze, Glenn Beck's site. Second and third one made me :lol (and the end part of the first one)





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« Reply #4449 on: April 05, 2014, 06:49:25 AM »


These are such the right kind of stupid/funny/lame.  :lol

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« Reply #4450 on: April 05, 2014, 10:27:08 AM »
okay, three more and then i'm done spamming:


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« Reply #4451 on: April 07, 2014, 09:57:41 AM »
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/rand-paul-dick-cheney-exploited-911-iraq-halliburton

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It's Dick Cheney in 1995 being interviewed on why they didn't go into Baghdad the first time under the first [President] George Bush. And his arguments are exactly mirroring my dad's arguments for why we shouldn't have gone in this time. It would be chaos. There'd be a civil war. There'd be no exit strategy. And cost a blue bloody fortune in both lives and treasure. And this is Dick Cheney saying this. But, you know, a couple hundred million dollars later Dick Cheney earns from Halliburton, he comes back into government. Now Halliburton's got a billion-dollar no-bid contract in Iraq. You know, you hate to be so cynical that you think some of these corporations are able to influence policy, but I think sometimes they are. Most of the people on these [congressional] committees have a million dollars in their bank account all from different military industrial contractors. We don't want our defense to be defined by people who make money off of the weapons.
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« Reply #4452 on: April 07, 2014, 10:06:16 AM »
 :gladbron
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« Reply #4453 on: April 07, 2014, 10:09:13 AM »
Welp, we know who PD's voting for in 2016.
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« Reply #4454 on: April 07, 2014, 10:21:35 AM »


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« Reply #4455 on: April 07, 2014, 10:31:47 AM »
emote mcconell

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« Reply #4456 on: April 07, 2014, 10:35:22 AM »
Cruz  :lol
Bachman :dead
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« Reply #4458 on: April 07, 2014, 02:15:37 PM »
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Vice President Joe Biden knows a thing or two about the nation's educators.

His wife, Jill Biden, still teaches at Northern Virginia Community College, a fact he touted at the American Association of Community Colleges' annual convention in Washington on Monday.

The vice president praised teachers as "the best kept secret in America."

"Jill is probably right," he added, according to CNN. "I think I'd have the same attitude...did I not sleep with a community college professor every night."

As laughter erupted across the 2,000 gathered faculty, staff and administrators, Biden attempted to clarify.

"Oh, the same one, the same one," he said, waving his hands around. "The same one."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/biden-slept-college-professor

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this dude doesn't give a fuck  :lol
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« Reply #4459 on: April 07, 2014, 02:18:34 PM »
DIAMOND JOE

I will vote for him in the primaries, zero fucks given.
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« Reply #4460 on: April 07, 2014, 02:20:52 PM »
That NY cover is straight disrespectful :dead

It's straight up ether. You know someone caught feelings too. Too bad Obama isn't as gully as Biden or he'd frame it and put it in the WH.
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« Reply #4461 on: April 07, 2014, 02:22:02 PM »
That NY cover is straight disrespectful :dead

Only if you consider Congressional Republicans worthy of respect :hitler
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« Reply #4462 on: April 07, 2014, 05:01:24 PM »
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/06/liz-cheney-stop-political-investigation-of-torture-and-focus-more-on-benghazi/

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“If you’re going to say that we should not have conducted the enhanced interrogation program, if you’re going to say that we shouldn’t have waterboarded three terrorists, then you’ve got to say that you’re willing to accept the consequences of that,” the former vice president’s daughter said on a Sunday morning Fox News panel. “You’ve got to be willing to say how many American lives would you have been willing to put at risk because you didn’t want to waterboard Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.”

Fox News political analyst Juan Williams quipped that Liz Cheney was the “good daughter,” but the American people had a right to know what the CIA was doing in their name, and if the techniques were effective.

“I want to start by agreeing with Juan,” Liz Cheney shot back. “That we need more congressional oversight… of Benghazi, for example.”

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« Reply #4463 on: April 07, 2014, 07:01:32 PM »
What would "more Congressional oversight" of the Benghazi attack entail, exactly?
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« Reply #4464 on: April 07, 2014, 07:30:04 PM »
Time travel.

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« Reply #4465 on: April 07, 2014, 07:40:24 PM »
I watched some of the recent hearing, where Bachman accused the former acting CIA director of covering shit up for the administration. The focus was entirely on the alleged "protest" and the video. The CIA says at the time their analysts thought it was a protest over the video (which is what caused a protest the exact day in Egypt). Republicans say the protest/video stuff was a WH lie.  Ok...

Where's the conspiracy? Bachman kept mentioning the administration was arguing that AQ was dead, so when Benghazi was attacked they purposely hid the truth instead of admitting AQ was still a threat. But Obama has never said AQ was finished. He has said they're on the run, and I see no reason to disagree with that notion. They're less effective than they once were...does anyone deny that?
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« Reply #4466 on: April 07, 2014, 07:53:14 PM »
I really did think that all the Benghazi talk would subside after Obama was re-elected, figuring that it was a short-term campaign bludgeon that would quickly evaporate once the full facts were finally revealed. Unfortunately, the full facts came out and vindicated the White House, but here we are more than a year later still holding more pointless hearings. I think their base has so fully bought into the line that Obama was directly responsible for the deaths of the four people and then tried to cover it up afterward that Republicans can't actually afford to drop it now.
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« Reply #4467 on: April 07, 2014, 09:00:20 PM »
I really did think that all the Benghazi talk would subside after Obama was re-elected, figuring that it was a short-term campaign bludgeon that would quickly evaporate once the full facts were finally revealed. Unfortunately, the full facts came out and vindicated the White House, but here we are more than a year later still holding more pointless hearings. I think their base has so fully bought into the line that Obama was directly responsible for the deaths of the four people and then tried to cover it up afterward that Republicans can't actually afford to drop it now.

They have so little to go on that they have to maximize every tiny morsel of 'what if'. It's not news. It's fan fiction.
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« Reply #4468 on: April 07, 2014, 09:46:31 PM »
The amusing thing is they don't really want to go too far down that rabbit hole because they might "find out" why the Compound and Annex were targeted in the first place. So you just have to keep a low level investigation of Rice and other lies along with asking again and again why Obama didn't nuke the city after the attack was reported.

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« Reply #4469 on: April 07, 2014, 10:01:34 PM »
I'd imagine many republicans know the CIA was deep into some shit there, and that the administration can't really be direct about it. So they get to beat around the bush, trolling the administration nonstop because answers aren't coming anytime soon.
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« Reply #4470 on: April 07, 2014, 10:53:06 PM »
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« Reply #4471 on: April 08, 2014, 01:30:50 PM »
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« Reply #4472 on: April 08, 2014, 03:03:00 PM »
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/staffer-husband-kissing-congressman-not-religious

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The husband of the staffer caught kissing Rep. Vance McAllister (R-LA) says that while the congressman ran as a religious man who cherished family values, he wasn't actually religious.

"I know his beliefs. When he ran one of his commercials, he said 'I need your prayers,' and I asked, 'When did you get religious?' He said, 'When I needed votes,'" Heath Peacock, 34, told CNN Tuesday. "He broke out the religious card and he's about the most non-religious person I know."

Lie about your religion to get more votes, brehs.
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« Reply #4473 on: April 08, 2014, 03:05:30 PM »
I just automatically assume that's true of most politicians and political talk show hosts that regularly mention their religious views.
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« Reply #4474 on: April 08, 2014, 10:55:40 PM »
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A long shot GOP Senate candidate said members of the House of Representatives are refraining from moving to impeach President Barack Obama because of what news coverage of an impeachment of a black president would look like.

In an interview with The Daily Times Herald of Iowa, Senate Candidate Sam Clovis said the reason Obama hasn't been impeached yet is a "practical matter."

"I don't think so and I'll tell you why. It's not that what he has done would not rise to the level where it might be impeachable," Clovis said. "I don't think it's a practical, pragmatic issue and simply because I don't think the nation is ready for it. You know, within this generation we just went through an impeachment of a president and it didn't end well and now we have a situation where race is thrown into the card as well. And whether we like it or not, race is an issue."

The Daily Times Herald asked Clovis if he thought Congress wasn't trying to impeach Obama because of his skin color.

"Not knowing, I haven't talked to anybody [sic]," Clovis said. "But I would say there are people in the House of Representatives right now that would very much like to take the opportunity to start the process and I think the reason that they're not is because they're concerned about the media."

Clovis was then asked if he members of Congress are worried about what it would look like in news coverage to impeach the president because he's black. Clovis simply responded "yes."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sam-clovis-impeach-obama

So he won the presidency because he's black, and will avoid impeachment because he's black. Good to know.
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« Reply #4475 on: April 09, 2014, 01:08:21 PM »
"We can talk about baseball. Talk about politics. Sure, this country has a black president, but when you look at a black president, President Obama is left with his foot stuck in the mud from all of the Republicans with the way he's treated," Hank Aaron said.

He added, "We have moved in the right direction, and there have been improvements, but we still have a long ways to go in the country. The bigger difference is that back then they had hoods. Now they have neckties and starched shirts."

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« Reply #4476 on: April 09, 2014, 01:30:27 PM »
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« Reply #4477 on: April 09, 2014, 02:04:33 PM »
Hank Aaron biting old Public Enemy rhymes? Say it ain't so, Hammer.


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« Reply #4478 on: April 09, 2014, 05:44:11 PM »
Hank Aaron biting old Public Enemy rhymes? Say it ain't so, Hammer.

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« Reply #4479 on: April 09, 2014, 06:13:42 PM »
He needs to get off the Democrat Plantation.
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« Reply #4480 on: April 09, 2014, 06:37:17 PM »
I was disappointed by the comments simply because it can easily be spun as "Aaron says republicans who oppose Obama are racist." Which of course is a long running meme on the right.
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« Reply #4481 on: April 09, 2014, 09:19:08 PM »
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    The long-awaited Rand Corp. study of Obamacare’s effect on health insurance coverage was released Tuesday and confirmed the numbers that had been telegraphed for more than a week: At least 9.3 million more Americans have health insurance now than in September 2013, virtually all of them as a result of the law.
     
    That’s a net figure, accommodating all those who lost their individual health insurance because of cancellations. The Rand study confirms other surveys that placed the number of people who lost their old insurance and did not or could not replace it – the focus of an enormous volume of anti-Obamacare rhetoric – at less than 1 million.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/new-aca-data-bolsters-systems-success

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« Reply #4482 on: April 09, 2014, 09:27:03 PM »
dat margin of error  :aah

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« Reply #4483 on: April 09, 2014, 09:42:29 PM »
Actually I'd argue the number is much higher, around 12 million. The article points out the issues with the report, specially sample errors. But 9 mil as the base line is impressive.
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« Reply #4484 on: April 09, 2014, 09:53:59 PM »
The actual report is very disappointing, IMO, given that it includes Medicaid numbers. I was hoping the number would be more like 12 million when you added all sources.

However, Rand has the number of people who gained insurance through federal and state marketplaces at 3.9 million, which is much lower than official estimates. The authors of the study also admit that their data doesn't go through the end of March.
The margin of error for the survey is little over 1% or 3.5 million so it could be anywhere from 6-13 million.

The 3.9 million is people who have insurance through the exchanges, only 1.4 million of those were previously uninsured.

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« Reply #4485 on: April 09, 2014, 09:57:26 PM »
That number shouldn't be surprising. When they opened up the exchanges to people that were denied medical care because of pre-existing conditions, barely anyone even signed up. Usual hype and inflation of a problem to get legislation enacted.


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« Reply #4487 on: April 09, 2014, 10:15:13 PM »
That number shouldn't be surprising. When they opened up the exchanges to people that were denied medical care because of pre-existing conditions, barely anyone even signed up. Usual hype and inflation of a problem to get legislation enacted.

Because more people having better health insurance overall totally isn't a big deal, apparently.
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« Reply #4488 on: April 09, 2014, 10:18:38 PM »
You mean more people being forced into a broken system? Yay!


At least those insurance lobby kickbacks will be sweet.


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« Reply #4489 on: April 09, 2014, 10:21:39 PM »
You mean more people being forced into a broken system? Yay!

At least those insurance lobby kickbacks will be sweet.

Well, you got me there! Guess we'd better implement a single-payer system, then!
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« Reply #4490 on: April 09, 2014, 10:24:58 PM »
Better to use your energy propagating that then carrying water for this piece of shit.*

* yes, it will help the lives of some.

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« Reply #4491 on: April 09, 2014, 11:14:54 PM »
That number shouldn't be surprising. When they opened up the exchanges to people that were denied medical care because of pre-existing conditions, barely anyone even signed up. Usual hype and inflation of a problem to get legislation enacted.

...because it was an insurance pool full of sick people, thus creating expensive premiums? And republicans want this to be a centerpiece of their (non-existent) alternative bill.

spreading cost around in a diverse pool works.
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« Reply #4492 on: April 10, 2014, 12:07:46 AM »
Better to use your energy propagating that then carrying water for this piece of shit.*

* yes, it will help the lives of some.

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« Reply #4493 on: April 10, 2014, 12:29:32 AM »
TA's like Ed Asner, acting all grumpy and cynical, but I've seen him swoon over bullet-point policy proposals from the likes of Gingrich and Giuliani.  Deep down he's an optimist and a softie.


Some big error bars in that thing.  So grain of salt, yadda yadda.  But what's with the jump in employee-sponsored insurance?  That the kids being put onto their parents' plan or what?

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« Reply #4494 on: April 10, 2014, 12:37:33 AM »
People taking up employer offered plans they had previously not chosen, people finding new jobs, spouses moving onto their partners coverage, etc.

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« Reply #4495 on: April 10, 2014, 12:50:52 AM »
Could be a lot of people that were offered employer health insurance but didn't take it before decided to start taking it because of the ACA mandate.
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« Reply #4496 on: April 10, 2014, 12:55:57 AM »
Yeah, I mean surely we all know people who have no idea what they signed up for when they got hired and never have looked at anything regarding their benefits and now they've had a small impetus to find out, plus a lot of employers are publicizing the new plans they're offering that meet the mandates, etc.

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« Reply #4499 on: April 10, 2014, 05:51:23 PM »
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It is nearly impossible to watch an hour of Fox News without coming away with a viscerally negative response to conservatives.
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