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Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #7020 on: October 27, 2014, 12:13:27 PM »
I keep hearing the "Obama is a shitty leader" meme but I'm not really sure what that means, since no one ever provides concrete, reality based examples of said shitty leadership other than "he doesn't try to work with the other side/invite them over for tea and crumpets when they're busy actively obstructing everything he tries to do at best or suggesting he be impeached at the worst" or "he's a center-right President and we want the demon spawn of Buckley and Kristol to run shit" but that's cool...

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Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #7021 on: October 27, 2014, 12:13:41 PM »
The problem is that they cost more than $8 in most areas, and worse yet DMVs are being closed in many black and Hispanic areas, thus placing a burden on people with no transportation; some can get on a bus but not every city has a decent transportation system (see: Detroit).

I'd be 100% fine with voter ID if they were free, instead of the current system which disenfranchises the poor. Another problem: the arbitrary, obviously biased way some IDs are accepted and some aren't. For instance in many southern states a student ID isn't considered proper ID, but a hunting license is. Some even claim hunting licenses are proof of citizenship while refusing to accept legit proof of citizenship like a VA card or Native American reservation IDs.

It's an obvious attempt to disenfranchise poor and minority voters. It backfired in 2012 but is quite effective in midterms. I think the GOP is a couple years from realizing the only power they'll maintain is through midterm elections, ie once Hillary blows them out in 2016. But assuming democrats don't get blown out in 2020 they'll be well placed to shitcan republicans with gerrymandering, like republicans did in 2010.*

*I don't support gerrymandering and hope it's banned, but both sides won't let that happen.

Need an ID to work bro

Need an ID to collect benefits bro

Need an ID for about anything bro.

As I said, I'm not opposed to IDs - just make them easily accessible to all. Which is NOT the case in the south right now, and many other states.

The fact that voter fraud is nearly nonexistent should tell folks this is nothing more than an attempt to obstruct voting. The more people vote=democrats win. That's just a demographic reality.

You are writing like this is 2008 bro. Nowadays the more people who vote the worst the democrats chances are. They are getting smoked in Ohio.
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You realize midterms have lower turnout than general elections? They benefit republicans because the demographics favor voters they appeal to - older, whiter. Whereas general elections lead to everyone voting - and the majority of demographics in this country favor democrats. Romney won white voters...Obama won everything else. And Hillary will do the same while winning at least 8-10% more white voters than Obama.

Even in the midterm races this year democrats are winning the female vote. Republicans are fucked long term, until they begin moving more towards where you are: economically conservative, libertarian/liberal on social issues.

Our biggest issue is and will be the tea party and the splintering of the group. Fact is we need to export the religious idiots and let them form their own Jesus party of whatever so they can run and lose every election ever. Problem/Solved.
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Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #7022 on: October 27, 2014, 12:15:46 PM »
I keep hearing the "Obama is a shitty leader" meme but I'm not really sure what that means, since no one ever provides concrete, reality based examples of said shitty leadership other than "he doesn't try to work with the other side/invite them over for tea and crumpets when they're busy actively obstructing everything he tries to do at best or suggesting he be impeached at the worst" or "he's a center-right President and we want the demon spawn of Buckley and Kristol to run shit" but that's cool...

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Counterpoint: What exactly has he done well?

Obamacare? LOLS
Foreign Relations? Soviets laugh at us breh, LOL
Domestic Economy? Still as fucked as ever
China's growing regional power in Asia? He has done nothing
Iraq? He fucked that up
ISIS? See above

I mean bro, Obama is at best a Warren Harding level president and at worst he's a black Jimmy Carter. Stop acting like he is Bill Clinton 2 because he is not.
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Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #7023 on: October 27, 2014, 12:15:47 PM »
I don't know if a GOP majority would go so far as to refuse to confirm anyone (that would be unprecedented, to my knowledge)
The Senate refused to even consider any of John Tyler's and Millard Fillmore's nominations in order to "wait them out" until the next election. And they passed a law to reduce the number of Supreme Court seats just so Andrew Johnson couldn't appoint anyone, then reversed it once Grant took office.

I mean bro, Obama is at best a Warren Harding level president and at worst he's a black Jimmy Carter. Stop acting like he is Bill Clinton 2 because he is not.
Three pretty good Presidents there, what's Obama's name doing with them?

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Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #7024 on: October 27, 2014, 12:16:24 PM »
I don't know if a GOP majority would go so far as to refuse to confirm anyone (that would be unprecedented, to my knowledge)
The Senate refused to even consider any of John Tyler's and Millard Fillmore's nominations in order to "wait them out" until the next election. And they passed a law to reduce the number of Supreme Court seats just so Andrew Johnson couldn't appoint anyone, then reversed it once Grant took office.

I totally forgot about that, BRB

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Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #7025 on: October 27, 2014, 12:19:59 PM »
Voter fraud,  what a perilous issue and all the dirtpoors should be penalized for being dirtpoors :jawalrus

Keep leaning on that fence bro. I came from more "dirt poor" than you'll ever know and we all managed to have ID's or Driver's licenses.

Strawman gonna keep swingin' tho.....
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Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #7026 on: October 27, 2014, 12:22:04 PM »
AiA: You mean like when southern states left the democrat party and destroyed its electoral chances for a generation?
:heh

You guys are fucked if you kicked the bigots out too fast, but also fucked if you continue to cater to them. Basically republicans need a Bill Clinton: a moderate who can nudge the party back into acceptable territory while throwing his side under the bus (Sister Soulja Moments galore) when necessary. The problem is that the only republican talented enough to do it, Chris Christie, is a fucking idiot with no filter.
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Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #7027 on: October 27, 2014, 12:22:50 PM »
Ignore every study that shows voter id laws will result in fewer poors and minorities voting in order to combat a "problem" that doesn't really exist, brehs
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Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #7028 on: October 27, 2014, 12:23:29 PM »
AiA: You mean like when southern states left the democrat party and destroyed its electoral chances for a generation?
:heh

You guys are fucked if you kicked the bigots out too fast, but also fucked if you continue to cater to them. Basically republicans need a Bill Clinton: a moderate who can nudge the party back into acceptable territory while throwing his side under the bus (Sister Soulja Moments galore) when necessary. The problem is that the only republican talented enough to do it, Chris Christie, is a fucking idiot with no filter.

We don't have that guy yet. We have a bunch of talented and well meaning central right in their late 30's though...a lot of them. We just need to stitch together a bridge until the less socially relentless amongst us mature.
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Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #7029 on: October 27, 2014, 12:24:21 PM »
Ignore every study that shows voter id laws will result in fewer poors and minorities voting in order to combat a "problem" that doesn't really exist, brehs

I'm glad we have an expert on voter fraud right here at the Bore...awesome.

Stan for shit you know happens and play the out of sight out of mind game bro..but let me guess you got yourself a free phone, eh?

:whew
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Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #7030 on: October 27, 2014, 12:26:59 PM »
Do it to the children of immigrants from third world countries like theyre gonna be  'impressed' by first world poverty brehs :jawalrus
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Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #7031 on: October 27, 2014, 12:27:04 PM »
Ignore every study that shows voter id laws will result in fewer poors and minorities voting in order to combat a "problem" that doesn't really exist, brehs

I'm glad we have an expert on voter fraud right here at the Bore...awesome.

Stan for shit you know happens and play the out of sight out of mind game bro..but let me guess you got yourself a free phone, eh?

:whew

Could you link me to some credible articles/studies that prove voter fraud is a thing?  I'll just be here waiting...
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Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #7032 on: October 27, 2014, 12:27:38 PM »
I saw a poll showing more than 40% of Evangelicals under the age of 30 support gay marriage. Of course a lot of dead enders will remain, but the religious right is about to really weaken.

Honestly if republicans could throw the bigotry and economic distinguished mentally-challenged fellow shit into the bushes I might give them a glance. I'm certainly far closer to Rand Paul's foreign policy views than Hillary Clinton.
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Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #7033 on: October 27, 2014, 12:28:08 PM »
Ignore every study that shows voter id laws will result in fewer poors and minorities voting in order to combat a "problem" that doesn't really exist, brehs

I'm glad we have an expert on voter fraud right here at the Bore...awesome.

Stan for shit you know happens and play the out of sight out of mind game bro..but let me guess you got yourself a free phone, eh?

:whew

Could you link me to some credible articles/studies that prove voter fraud is a thing?  I'll just be here waiting...

K

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/melowese-richardson-former-poll-worker-to-be-sentenced-on-four-counts-of-voter-fraud

And of course, ACORN...classy people these guys are

http://ballotpedia.org/ACORN_and_voter_registration_fraud


May 2014: Ben Hodzic allegedly voted at the polls in the name of his brother in the Catskill School District Board of Education election in Catskill, NY.[1]

Nov. 2013: Mark Atlas allegedly voted at the polls in the name of someone else in the municipal election in Worcester, MA.[2]

Sep. 2013: At least four, and possibly 20-24, Hasidic voters in the South Williamsburg neighborhood of Brooklyn, NY, allegedly attempted to vote at the polls under others’ names in the municipal primary elections for New York City.[3]

Mar. 2013: Kristina Bentrim went to vote at the polls in the Cedar Rapids, IA, special election on a gambling referendum, and was allegedly told that someone had voted in her name.[4]  It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2012: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Angela Cooney in the general election in San Diego, CA; there is an Angela Cooney listed as dying 4 years earlier.[5]  It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.
Nov. 2012: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Evan Dixon in the general election in San Diego, CA; there is an Evan Dixon listed as dying 11 years earlier.[6] It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2012: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Alejandro Guerrero in the general election in San Diego, CA; there is an Alejandro Guerrero listed as dying 5 years earlier.[7]  It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

2012: According to the North Carolina State Board of Elections, one allegation of impersonation fraud in 2012 was sufficiently credible to refer to the local district attorney.[8]  It is not clear whether the alleged fraud was in-person, or if follow-up established whether fraud did or did not likely occur.

June 2011: Hazel Brionne Woodard apparently arranged for her son Mark James Jr. to vote at the polls in the name of his father, Mark James Sr., in the municipal runoff elections in Tarrant County, TX.[9]

Nov. 2010: Four ballots may have been cast in the general election in South Carolina in the name of voters who had previously died (Ed Louis Johnson, Elbert R. Thompson, Ruth Middleton, and James L. Warnock); election and law enforcement officials had insufficient information to come to a final conclusion, including two pollbook pages that were unavailable. (Law enforcement agents believe that the ballot of Elbert R. Thompson may have been confused  with that of his son, Elbert Thompson.) Another 203 allegations of deceased voters in the same election were revealed to be either clerical error or coincidence.[10]

May 2009: Lorenzo Antonio Almanza, Jr., after voting himself, apparently cast a ballot at the polls in the name of his incarcerated brother, Orlando Almanza, in the 2009 election for the Progreso Independent School District Board, TX. (His mother, Reyna Almanza, vouched for him, and was separately convicted.)[11]

Nov. 2008: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Forrest Downie in the general election in San Diego, CA; there is a Forrest Downie listed as dying 3 years earlier.[12] It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2008: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Scott Hagloch in the general election in San Diego, CA; there is a Scott Hagloch listed as dying 2 years earlier.[13]  It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Mar. 2008: Jack Carol Crowder III allegedly impersonated his father (Jack Carol Crowder), using his father’s voter registration card at the polls in the March 2008 presidential primary election in Baytown, TX.[14]

Aug. 2007: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the statewide primary in Hattiesburg, MS, in the name of James E. Barnes, who died in 2006.  This may (or may not) have been the result of clerical error confusing the man with his son, James W. Barnes; it is not clear whether the pollbooks were reviewed to determine whether fraud or clerical error was the cause.[15]

Aug. 2007: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the statewide primary in Hattiesburg, MS, in the name of Stanley Dwayne Echols, who was at the hospital and did not vote.[16]  It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

June 2007: The two contending city council candidates in a municipal runoff election in Hoboken, NJ, both reported instances in the election in which someone went to the polls and found out that someone else had voted in their place.[17] It is not clear how many instances there were, or how the candidates learned of them. It is also not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the records of voting represented impersonated signatures or clerical errors.

2007: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in a municipal budget referendum in Stonington, CT, in the name of Jane M. Drury, who died in 2000.[18] It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2004: Rosalie B. Simpson died in August 2004, but a vote was apparently recorded at the polls in her name in the general election in Seattle, WA.[19] It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2004: Frank Sanchez, in Albuquerque, NM, was told that someone had signed on the line for his name in the pollbook during the general election.[20]  It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2004: Someone apparently signed on the pollbook line for Rose-Mary G. McGee, in Albuquerque, NM, during the general election.[21]

Nov. 2004: Dwight Adkins, in Albuquerque, NM, was told that someone had signed on the line for his name in the pollbook during the general election.[22]  It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2004: Three people at the polls in Westchester County, NY, were given provisional ballots (in New York, “affidavit ballots”) in the general election because someone had allegedly signed the poll books in their place.[23] It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the records of voting represented impersonated signatures or clerical errors.

Nov. 2004: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the general election in Milwaukee, WI, in the name of an individual who had died several years earlier.[24] It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the records of voting represented impersonated signatures or clerical errors.

2004: According to the North Carolina State Board of Elections, one allegation of impersonation fraud in 2004 was sufficiently credible to refer to the local district attorney. [25] It is not clear whether the alleged fraud was in-person, or if follow-up established whether fraud did or did not likely occur.

Jan. 2004: Mark Lacasse apparently voted at the polls in the presidential primary in Londonderry, NH, in the name of his father, who was away on business at the time. [26]

Nov. 2002: Shasta Nicole Crayton apparently voted in her sister’s name at the polls in the general election in Dadeville, AL.[27]
In several municipal, primary, and general elections in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, and 2011, votes were cast in-person in Philadephia, PA, by an individual named Joseph Cheeseboro and by an individual named Joseph J. Cheeseborough. There is apparently some doubt about where one or both names represent real identities.[28]

In elections from October 2008 through June 2011, 44 individuals with names, dates of birth, and Social Security numbers matching the information of individuals listed as incarcerated were recorded as having cast ballots in person in Michigan.[29] It is not clear whether records were further investigated to determine whether the matches represent fraudulent votes or clerical errors in either the incarceration records or the voting records.

In elections from October 2008 through June 2011, 145 individuals with names, dates of birth, and addresses matching the information of individuals listed as deceased were recorded as having cast ballots in person in Michigan.[30] It is not clear whether records were further investigated to determine whether the matches represent fraudulent votes or clerical errors in either the death records or the voting records.
According to Texas Director of Elections Keith Ingram, the names, birth dates, and Social Security numbers of four “recent” voters allegedly matched the corresponding information on earlier death certificates, indicating that the votes were cast after the individuals’ deaths.  It is not clear at which elections these votes were cast, or how many, if any, of these votes were cast at the polls (rather than absentee). It is also not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.[31]
 

Credible allegations of impersonation at the polls since 2000 that would not likely be prevented by a rule requiring ID at the polls, or attempted impersonation at the polls since 2000 that was actually prevented without a strict ID requirement

(Note: these allegations do not include other forms of fraud not prevented by a requirement to show ID at the polls, including absentee ballot fraud, vote buying, vote coercion, fraud in the tallying process, voter registration fraud, double voting, voting by nonresidents, voting by noncitizens, voting by persons disenfranchised by conviction, or fraud in the petitioning process.)

Nov. 2012: Linda Earlette Wells apparently voted at the polls in the general election in Germantown, MD, in the name of her mother (Beatrice Moore Wells), who had died in June 2011.  She apparently used her mother’s ID to cast the ballot.[32]  It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from using a fraudulent driver’s license to cast invalid ballots.

Nov. 2012: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Caitlin A. Legacki in the general election; Legacki was in Missouri at the time.  However, in 2012, New Hampshire had a requirement that voters show photo ID at the polls; officials believe that either someone showed a fraudulent ID in Legacki’s name or (according to them, more likely) that a clerical error incorrectly listed Legacki as voting.[33]

Nov. 2010 (and Nov. 2008): Ortencia Segura-Segura apparently voted at the polls in the name of Marisela Reyna in the general elections in Reno, NV, using a fraudulently procured Nevada driver’s license.[34]  It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from using a fraudulent driver’s license to cast invalid ballots.

Mar. 2010: Delores McMillian and her mother were both election officials in Dallas. During the primary election, McMillian used one other voter’s registration number to try to cast a ballot in her name. (Her mother may have used more, but died during the course of the investigation.)  A fellow election worker apparently blocked the attempt.[35] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal pollworker from casting invalid ballots.

Nov. 2008 (and others): Mary Ann Comparin used a fake driver’s license in the name of her long-dead sister, Norma Gerrish Collins, to vote in her sister’s name in the 2008 general election in Bexar County, TX. [36] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from using a fraudulent driver’s license to cast invalid ballots.

Nov. 2008: Ricardo Lopez-Munguia apparently voted (whether absentee or in person is not clear) in the name of Gustavo Carranza-Madrigal in the general election in Escondido, CA. Lopez-Munguia possessed a fraudulent California driver’s license.[37] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from using a fraudulent driver’s license to cast invalid ballots.

May 2008: Andrea Peña was apparently recruited by mayor Omar Vela to vote in the school board election in Progreso, TX; Peña was apparently given someone else’s voter registration card and told that pollworkers would make sure there were no problems. An election judge (more usually known as a pollworker) actually cast Peña’s ballot for her.[38] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from conspiring with pollworkers to cast invalid ballots
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May 2008: in the same Progreso school board election, Jessica Rangel claimed that Guadalupe Vela Sr. tried to convince Rangel to recruit a friend to vote with someone else’s voter registration card, and claimed that “they had people that worked the election on their side.” Rangel apparently refused.[39] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from conspiring with pollworkers to cast invalid ballots.

Aug. 2007: Vancy Voorhies, a pollworker in Davidson County, TN, apparently voted at the polls in the mayoral election; at her ill elderly cousin’s request, she signed her cousin’s name in the pollbook (with her own initials to indicate the permission), asked her cousin how she preferred to vote, and cast the ballot accordingly.[40]  It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a misguided pollworker from casting invalid ballots.

June 2007: A homeless man was apparently paid $10 to use the name of Kevin Logan to vote in a city council runoff race in Hoboken, NJ. After a challenge by a local resident, the effort failed. [41]

Sept. 2005: Memphis, TN, pollworkers Verline Mayo, Gertrude Otteridge, and Mary McClatcher apparently cast at least three votes at the polls in the names of others, including two in the names of dead voters, in a special election for a state Senate seat.[42]  It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal pollworker from casting invalid ballots.

May 2005: Macon, MS, resident Kendrick Slaughter testified that he saw Ike Brown, chairman of the Noxubee County Democratic Executive Committee, urging Bridgette Brown to “go in [to the precinct pollsite] and vote, to use any name, and that no one was going to say anything.”  It is not clear whether Bridgette Brown did cast a vote at the polls in the name of another, but it is clear that pollworkers under Ike Brown’s direction stood ready to commit or facilitate other forms of voter fraud.[43] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from conspiring with pollworkers to cast invalid ballots.

Nov. 2000: A vote was cast in the general election in Miami, FL, in the name of Andre Alismé, who had died in 1997.  The voter apparently used either a passport or driver’s license and a voter registration card in Alismé’s name.[44]
 

[1] Jim Planck, Alleged Fraud Casts Pall Over Catskill School Vote, Daily Mail, May 29, 2014.

[2] Alli Knothe, 2 Charged with Voter Fraud in Worcester, Worcester Telegram & Gazette, Dec. 4, 2013.

[3] Max Rivlin-Nadler et al., Brazen Voting Fraud Alleged Among Ultra-Orthodox in Williamsburg, Gothamist, Sep. 11, 2013, http://gothamist.com/2013/09/11/voter_fraud_attempts.php.

[4] Jason Noble, Schultz, Many Iowans Still Solidly Back Voter ID Laws, Des Moines Register, Dec. 15, 2013.

[5] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014.

[6] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014.

[7] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014.

[8] N.C. State Board of Elections, Documented Cases of Voter Fraud in North Carolina, Mar. 11, 2013, http://www.democracy-nc.org/downloads/SBOEFraudMemo2013.pdf.

[9] Dianna Hunt, Democratic Precinct Chairwoman Candidate Indicted in Voter Fraud Case in Fort Worth, Star-Telegram, Apr. 30, 2012; Indictment, State v. Woodard, Case No. 1262418 (432d Texas Dist. Ct., Dec. 1, 2011).

[10] South Carolina Law Enforcement Division, Investigative File #32-12-0008, June 4, 2013, at 4-8, 380-89, 404-13, 475-76, http://www.scribd.com/doc/155615207/SLED-Investigation-Into-Voter-Fraud.

[11] Deposition of Major Forrest Mitchell, Texas v. Holder, No. 1:12-cv-00128, Doc. 229-16 (D.D.C. June 15, 2012), at 162-167.

[12] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014.

[13] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014.

[14] Complaint, State v. Crowder, Case No. 02424794 (177th Texas Dist Ct. May 13, 2009); John Kelso, Commentary, You’re Not Fooling Me.  You’re Just Impersonating a Voter, Austin American-Statesman, Mar. 3, 2011.

[15] Susan Lakes, Judge Orders New Election, Hattiesburg American (Miss.), Oct. 24, 2007; Susan Lakes, Candidate to Stay on Ballot, Hattiesburg American (Miss.), Oct. 25, 2007.

[16] Susan Lakes, Candidate to Stay on Ballot, Hattiesburg American (Miss.), Oct. 25, 2007.

[17] Madeline Friedman, Anatomy of Voter Fraud: Will Officials Follow Up on Alleged $10 Vote Payoff?, Hudson Reporter, July 10, 2007.

[18] Marcel Dufresne, Dead Voters? Probe Finds Errors in Records, Hartford Courant, Apr. 20, 2008; In the Matter of a Referral by the Secretary of the State, Conn. State Elections Enforcement Comm’n, File No. 2008-049, Nov. 17, 2008, http://seec.ct.gov/e2casebase/data/fd/FD_2008_949.pdf.

[19] Phuong Cat Le & Michelle Nicolosi, Dead Voted in Governor’s Race, Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Jan. 7, 2005.

[20] Dan McKay, Jeff Jones & Leann Holt, Tallying of Ballots Could Take Days, Albuquerque J., Nov. 3, 2004, at A1.

[21] Dan McKay & David Miles, Clerk Tossing 25% of Ballots, Albuquerque J., Nov. 9, 2004, at A1; Rose-Mary McGee, Disenfranchised By Voter Impersonation, Election Journal,

[22] Dan McKay & David Miles, Clerk Tossing 25% of Ballots, Albuquerque J., Nov. 9, 2004, at A1.

[23] Panio v. Sutherland, 790 N.Y.S.2d 136, 141 (2005).

[24] Milwaukee Police Dept., Special Investigations Unit, Report of the Investigation into the November 2, 2004 General Election in the City of Milwaukee, at 61.

[25] N.C. State Board of Elections, Documented Cases of Voter Fraud in North Carolina, Mar. 11, 2013, http://www.democracy-nc.org/downloads/SBOEFraudMemo2013.pdf.

[26] Young Bush Backer A Little Early, Lewiston Sun-Journal, Apr. 2, 2004.

[27] News Release, AG King Announces Felony Conviction for Illegal Voting, Apr. 9, 2004.

[28] City Commissioner Al Schmidt, Voting Irregularities: Voting Irregularities in Philadelphia County, 2012 Primary Election, July 2012, at 16-18.

[29] Michigan Auditor General, Performance Audit of the Bureau of Elections, Report No. 231-0235-11, May 2012, at 15, http://audgen.michigan.gov/finalpdfs/11_12/r231023511.pdf.

[30] Michigan Auditor General, Performance Audit of the Bureau of Elections, Report No. 231-0235-11, May 2012, at 16, http://audgen.michigan.gov/finalpdfs/11_12/r231023511.pdf.

[31] Transcript, Texas v. Holder, Case No. 12-00128 (D.D.C. July 9, 2012) (vol. I, A.M. Session), at 65-67 (testimony of Texas Director of Elections Keith Ingram).

 

[32] St. John Barned-Smith, Germantown Woman Pleads Guilty to 2012 Voter Fraud, Gazette, Sept. 13, 2013, http://www.gazette.net/article/20130913/NEWS/130919454/germantown-woman-pleads-guilty-to-2012-voter-fraud&template=gazette.

[33] Steve Macdonald, How Does this Democrat Vote Fraud Grab You?, Granite Grok, Jan. 22, 2014, http://granitegrok.com/blog/2014/01/how-does-this-democrat-vote-fraud-grab-you; Vote Fraud: It, and Mistakes, Happen, New Hampshire Union Leader, Jan. 27, 2014.

[34] Application and Affidavit for Arrest, Nevada v. Segura Segura, Case No. RCR-2014-076362 (Nev. Justice Ct. Reno Township Mar. 12, 2014).

[35] Deposition of Major Forrest Mitchell, Texas v. Holder, No. 1:12-cv-00128, Doc. 229-16 (D.D.C. June 15, 2012), at 167-172.

[36] Eva Ruth Moravec, Woman, 81, Jailed in Vote-Fraud Case, San Antonio Express-News, Oct. 5, 2010.

[37] Brandon Lowrey, Escondido: Mexican Man Admits to Voter Fraud, San Diego Union-Tribune, Sept. 7, 2012, http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/Sep/07/escondido-mexican-man-admits-to-voter-fraud/.

[38] Jeremy Roebuck, Progreso Voters Desperate for Solutions to Alleged Election Fraud, McAllen Monitor, Mar. 14, 2009.

[39] Jeremy Roebuck, Progreso Voters Desperate for Solutions to Alleged Election Fraud, McAllen Monitor, Mar. 14, 2009.

[40] Michael Cass, Poll Worker Indicted in Vote Probe, The Tennessean, Dec. 20, 2007; Email from District Attorney Susan Niland to Corbin Carson, July 20, 2012, 11:49:19 AM, http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/404111/tennessee-davidson-county-with-cases.pdf.

[41] Madeline Friedman, Anatomy of Voter Fraud: Will Officials Follow Up on Alleged $10 Vote Payoff?, Hudson Reporter, July 10, 2007; Madeline Friedman, Unclear Which Agency Will Investigate Voter Fraud, Hoboken Reporter, July 8, 2007.

[42] Editorial, Seeking Justice in Memphis, The Tennessean, June 26, 2006; Gail Kerr, No Problem With Dead Voters Here, Official Says, The Tennessean, Feb. 6, 2006; Marc Perrusquia, Judge: Let's Air Details of Fraud, Memphis Commercial Appeal, May 22, 2007.

[43] United States v. Brown, 494 F. Supp. 2d 440, 486 n.73 (S.D. Miss. 2007).

[44] Manny Garcia & Tom Dubucq, Unregistered Voters Cast Ballots in Dade: Dead Man’s Vote, Scores of Others Were Allowed Illegally, Herald Finds, Miami Herald, Dec. 24, 2000.






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Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #7034 on: October 27, 2014, 12:30:48 PM »
Ignore every study that shows voter id laws will result in fewer poors and minorities voting in order to combat a "problem" that doesn't really exist, brehs

I'm glad we have an expert on voter fraud right here at the Bore...awesome.

Stan for shit you know happens and play the out of sight out of mind game bro..but let me guess you got yourself a free phone, eh?

:whew

Could you link me to some credible articles/studies that prove voter fraud is a thing?  I'll just be here waiting...

K

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/melowese-richardson-former-poll-worker-to-be-sentenced-on-four-counts-of-voter-fraud

And of course, ACORN...classy people these guys are

http://ballotpedia.org/ACORN_and_voter_registration_fraud

Truly a widespread phenomenon requiring laws that will prevent lots of people from voting if ever I saw it

(I blame myself for carelessly leaving out "widespread" when I asked to know if it was a thing, because we both know it's not)
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« Reply #7035 on: October 27, 2014, 12:34:40 PM »
Could you link me to some credible articles/studies that prove voter fraud is a thing?  I'll just be here waiting...
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« Reply #7036 on: October 27, 2014, 12:36:18 PM »
Could you link me to some credible articles/studies that prove voter fraud is a thing?  I'll just be here waiting...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberian_general_election,_1927

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« Reply #7037 on: October 27, 2014, 12:36:39 PM »
Could you link me to some credible articles/studies that prove voter fraud is a thing?  I'll just be here waiting...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberian_general_election,_1927

Could also simply link Hitler's political history.
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« Reply #7038 on: October 27, 2014, 12:40:53 PM »
Voter ID :heh

The only voter fraud out there are conservative terroristsactivists trying to commit said fraud to show it exists.
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« Reply #7040 on: October 27, 2014, 12:48:45 PM »
I love the :hans1 people who immediately disregard him for not demonizing Lerner right off the bat. Still holding out hope Issa was right this whole time. :heh

Keep waiting.
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« Reply #7041 on: October 27, 2014, 12:56:19 PM »
I love the :hans1 people who immediately disregard him for not demonizing Lerner right off the bat. Still holding out hope Issa was right this whole time. :heh

Keep waiting.

Guy is such a goddamn shill....

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« Reply #7042 on: October 27, 2014, 01:12:36 PM »
I love the :hans1 people who immediately disregard him for not demonizing Lerner right off the bat. Still holding out hope Issa was right this whole time. :heh

Keep waiting.
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« Reply #7043 on: October 27, 2014, 01:14:07 PM »
Why doesn't the GOP want the IRS to function properly?

We could sit and speculate that they are trying to bankrupt America, or bide time for wealthy donors to hide their money, or cover for big military contractors funneling money to terrorist orgs to attack America so America buys more weapons and starts more wars.....:hans1  We can go on all day on the reasons one party insists on underfunding the tax collecting wing of the government and then screams about the national debt.
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« Reply #7044 on: October 27, 2014, 01:52:02 PM »
Earnestly respond to Breitbart-level posts, brehs.
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« Reply #7045 on: October 27, 2014, 01:53:06 PM »
Earnestly respond to Breitbart-level posts, brehs.

Earnestly respond is this thread but never add to it, brehs.
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« Reply #7048 on: October 27, 2014, 06:29:31 PM »
Could also simply link Hitler's political history.

Kind of a headache to distinguish his voter fraud from the larger Weimar problem of political parties having affiliated paramilitary groups who I can't imagine had much else to do but intimidate voters. :larry

Even the Centre and German Democratic Parties had one. :dead

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« Reply #7049 on: October 27, 2014, 06:54:18 PM »
Ignore every study that shows voter id laws will result in fewer poors and minorities voting in order to combat a "problem" that doesn't really exist, brehs

I'm glad we have an expert on voter fraud right here at the Bore...awesome.

Stan for shit you know happens and play the out of sight out of mind game bro..but let me guess you got yourself a free phone, eh?

:whew

Could you link me to some credible articles/studies that prove voter fraud is a thing?  I'll just be here waiting...

K

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/melowese-richardson-former-poll-worker-to-be-sentenced-on-four-counts-of-voter-fraud

And of course, ACORN...classy people these guys are

http://ballotpedia.org/ACORN_and_voter_registration_fraud


May 2014: Ben Hodzic allegedly voted at the polls in the name of his brother in the Catskill School District Board of Education election in Catskill, NY.[1]

Nov. 2013: Mark Atlas allegedly voted at the polls in the name of someone else in the municipal election in Worcester, MA.[2]

Sep. 2013: At least four, and possibly 20-24, Hasidic voters in the South Williamsburg neighborhood of Brooklyn, NY, allegedly attempted to vote at the polls under others’ names in the municipal primary elections for New York City.[3]

Mar. 2013: Kristina Bentrim went to vote at the polls in the Cedar Rapids, IA, special election on a gambling referendum, and was allegedly told that someone had voted in her name.[4]  It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2012: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Angela Cooney in the general election in San Diego, CA; there is an Angela Cooney listed as dying 4 years earlier.[5]  It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.
Nov. 2012: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Evan Dixon in the general election in San Diego, CA; there is an Evan Dixon listed as dying 11 years earlier.[6] It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2012: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Alejandro Guerrero in the general election in San Diego, CA; there is an Alejandro Guerrero listed as dying 5 years earlier.[7]  It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

2012: According to the North Carolina State Board of Elections, one allegation of impersonation fraud in 2012 was sufficiently credible to refer to the local district attorney.[8]  It is not clear whether the alleged fraud was in-person, or if follow-up established whether fraud did or did not likely occur.

June 2011: Hazel Brionne Woodard apparently arranged for her son Mark James Jr. to vote at the polls in the name of his father, Mark James Sr., in the municipal runoff elections in Tarrant County, TX.[9]

Nov. 2010: Four ballots may have been cast in the general election in South Carolina in the name of voters who had previously died (Ed Louis Johnson, Elbert R. Thompson, Ruth Middleton, and James L. Warnock); election and law enforcement officials had insufficient information to come to a final conclusion, including two pollbook pages that were unavailable. (Law enforcement agents believe that the ballot of Elbert R. Thompson may have been confused  with that of his son, Elbert Thompson.) Another 203 allegations of deceased voters in the same election were revealed to be either clerical error or coincidence.[10]

May 2009: Lorenzo Antonio Almanza, Jr., after voting himself, apparently cast a ballot at the polls in the name of his incarcerated brother, Orlando Almanza, in the 2009 election for the Progreso Independent School District Board, TX. (His mother, Reyna Almanza, vouched for him, and was separately convicted.)[11]

Nov. 2008: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Forrest Downie in the general election in San Diego, CA; there is a Forrest Downie listed as dying 3 years earlier.[12] It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2008: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Scott Hagloch in the general election in San Diego, CA; there is a Scott Hagloch listed as dying 2 years earlier.[13]  It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Mar. 2008: Jack Carol Crowder III allegedly impersonated his father (Jack Carol Crowder), using his father’s voter registration card at the polls in the March 2008 presidential primary election in Baytown, TX.[14]

Aug. 2007: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the statewide primary in Hattiesburg, MS, in the name of James E. Barnes, who died in 2006.  This may (or may not) have been the result of clerical error confusing the man with his son, James W. Barnes; it is not clear whether the pollbooks were reviewed to determine whether fraud or clerical error was the cause.[15]

Aug. 2007: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the statewide primary in Hattiesburg, MS, in the name of Stanley Dwayne Echols, who was at the hospital and did not vote.[16]  It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

June 2007: The two contending city council candidates in a municipal runoff election in Hoboken, NJ, both reported instances in the election in which someone went to the polls and found out that someone else had voted in their place.[17] It is not clear how many instances there were, or how the candidates learned of them. It is also not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the records of voting represented impersonated signatures or clerical errors.

2007: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in a municipal budget referendum in Stonington, CT, in the name of Jane M. Drury, who died in 2000.[18] It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2004: Rosalie B. Simpson died in August 2004, but a vote was apparently recorded at the polls in her name in the general election in Seattle, WA.[19] It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2004: Frank Sanchez, in Albuquerque, NM, was told that someone had signed on the line for his name in the pollbook during the general election.[20]  It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2004: Someone apparently signed on the pollbook line for Rose-Mary G. McGee, in Albuquerque, NM, during the general election.[21]

Nov. 2004: Dwight Adkins, in Albuquerque, NM, was told that someone had signed on the line for his name in the pollbook during the general election.[22]  It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2004: Three people at the polls in Westchester County, NY, were given provisional ballots (in New York, “affidavit ballots”) in the general election because someone had allegedly signed the poll books in their place.[23] It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the records of voting represented impersonated signatures or clerical errors.

Nov. 2004: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the general election in Milwaukee, WI, in the name of an individual who had died several years earlier.[24] It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the records of voting represented impersonated signatures or clerical errors.

2004: According to the North Carolina State Board of Elections, one allegation of impersonation fraud in 2004 was sufficiently credible to refer to the local district attorney. [25] It is not clear whether the alleged fraud was in-person, or if follow-up established whether fraud did or did not likely occur.

Jan. 2004: Mark Lacasse apparently voted at the polls in the presidential primary in Londonderry, NH, in the name of his father, who was away on business at the time. [26]

Nov. 2002: Shasta Nicole Crayton apparently voted in her sister’s name at the polls in the general election in Dadeville, AL.[27]
In several municipal, primary, and general elections in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, and 2011, votes were cast in-person in Philadephia, PA, by an individual named Joseph Cheeseboro and by an individual named Joseph J. Cheeseborough. There is apparently some doubt about where one or both names represent real identities.[28]

In elections from October 2008 through June 2011, 44 individuals with names, dates of birth, and Social Security numbers matching the information of individuals listed as incarcerated were recorded as having cast ballots in person in Michigan.[29] It is not clear whether records were further investigated to determine whether the matches represent fraudulent votes or clerical errors in either the incarceration records or the voting records.

In elections from October 2008 through June 2011, 145 individuals with names, dates of birth, and addresses matching the information of individuals listed as deceased were recorded as having cast ballots in person in Michigan.[30] It is not clear whether records were further investigated to determine whether the matches represent fraudulent votes or clerical errors in either the death records or the voting records.
According to Texas Director of Elections Keith Ingram, the names, birth dates, and Social Security numbers of four “recent” voters allegedly matched the corresponding information on earlier death certificates, indicating that the votes were cast after the individuals’ deaths.  It is not clear at which elections these votes were cast, or how many, if any, of these votes were cast at the polls (rather than absentee). It is also not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.[31]
 

Credible allegations of impersonation at the polls since 2000 that would not likely be prevented by a rule requiring ID at the polls, or attempted impersonation at the polls since 2000 that was actually prevented without a strict ID requirement

(Note: these allegations do not include other forms of fraud not prevented by a requirement to show ID at the polls, including absentee ballot fraud, vote buying, vote coercion, fraud in the tallying process, voter registration fraud, double voting, voting by nonresidents, voting by noncitizens, voting by persons disenfranchised by conviction, or fraud in the petitioning process.)

Nov. 2012: Linda Earlette Wells apparently voted at the polls in the general election in Germantown, MD, in the name of her mother (Beatrice Moore Wells), who had died in June 2011.  She apparently used her mother’s ID to cast the ballot.[32]  It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from using a fraudulent driver’s license to cast invalid ballots.

Nov. 2012: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Caitlin A. Legacki in the general election; Legacki was in Missouri at the time.  However, in 2012, New Hampshire had a requirement that voters show photo ID at the polls; officials believe that either someone showed a fraudulent ID in Legacki’s name or (according to them, more likely) that a clerical error incorrectly listed Legacki as voting.[33]

Nov. 2010 (and Nov. 2008): Ortencia Segura-Segura apparently voted at the polls in the name of Marisela Reyna in the general elections in Reno, NV, using a fraudulently procured Nevada driver’s license.[34]  It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from using a fraudulent driver’s license to cast invalid ballots.

Mar. 2010: Delores McMillian and her mother were both election officials in Dallas. During the primary election, McMillian used one other voter’s registration number to try to cast a ballot in her name. (Her mother may have used more, but died during the course of the investigation.)  A fellow election worker apparently blocked the attempt.[35] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal pollworker from casting invalid ballots.

Nov. 2008 (and others): Mary Ann Comparin used a fake driver’s license in the name of her long-dead sister, Norma Gerrish Collins, to vote in her sister’s name in the 2008 general election in Bexar County, TX. [36] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from using a fraudulent driver’s license to cast invalid ballots.

Nov. 2008: Ricardo Lopez-Munguia apparently voted (whether absentee or in person is not clear) in the name of Gustavo Carranza-Madrigal in the general election in Escondido, CA. Lopez-Munguia possessed a fraudulent California driver’s license.[37] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from using a fraudulent driver’s license to cast invalid ballots.

May 2008: Andrea Peña was apparently recruited by mayor Omar Vela to vote in the school board election in Progreso, TX; Peña was apparently given someone else’s voter registration card and told that pollworkers would make sure there were no problems. An election judge (more usually known as a pollworker) actually cast Peña’s ballot for her.[38] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from conspiring with pollworkers to cast invalid ballots
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May 2008: in the same Progreso school board election, Jessica Rangel claimed that Guadalupe Vela Sr. tried to convince Rangel to recruit a friend to vote with someone else’s voter registration card, and claimed that “they had people that worked the election on their side.” Rangel apparently refused.[39] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from conspiring with pollworkers to cast invalid ballots.

Aug. 2007: Vancy Voorhies, a pollworker in Davidson County, TN, apparently voted at the polls in the mayoral election; at her ill elderly cousin’s request, she signed her cousin’s name in the pollbook (with her own initials to indicate the permission), asked her cousin how she preferred to vote, and cast the ballot accordingly.[40]  It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a misguided pollworker from casting invalid ballots.

June 2007: A homeless man was apparently paid $10 to use the name of Kevin Logan to vote in a city council runoff race in Hoboken, NJ. After a challenge by a local resident, the effort failed. [41]

Sept. 2005: Memphis, TN, pollworkers Verline Mayo, Gertrude Otteridge, and Mary McClatcher apparently cast at least three votes at the polls in the names of others, including two in the names of dead voters, in a special election for a state Senate seat.[42]  It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal pollworker from casting invalid ballots.

May 2005: Macon, MS, resident Kendrick Slaughter testified that he saw Ike Brown, chairman of the Noxubee County Democratic Executive Committee, urging Bridgette Brown to “go in [to the precinct pollsite] and vote, to use any name, and that no one was going to say anything.”  It is not clear whether Bridgette Brown did cast a vote at the polls in the name of another, but it is clear that pollworkers under Ike Brown’s direction stood ready to commit or facilitate other forms of voter fraud.[43] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from conspiring with pollworkers to cast invalid ballots.

Nov. 2000: A vote was cast in the general election in Miami, FL, in the name of Andre Alismé, who had died in 1997.  The voter apparently used either a passport or driver’s license and a voter registration card in Alismé’s name.[44]
 

[1] Jim Planck, Alleged Fraud Casts Pall Over Catskill School Vote, Daily Mail, May 29, 2014.

[2] Alli Knothe, 2 Charged with Voter Fraud in Worcester, Worcester Telegram & Gazette, Dec. 4, 2013.

[3] Max Rivlin-Nadler et al., Brazen Voting Fraud Alleged Among Ultra-Orthodox in Williamsburg, Gothamist, Sep. 11, 2013, http://gothamist.com/2013/09/11/voter_fraud_attempts.php.

[4] Jason Noble, Schultz, Many Iowans Still Solidly Back Voter ID Laws, Des Moines Register, Dec. 15, 2013.

[5] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014.

[6] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014.

[7] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014.

[8] N.C. State Board of Elections, Documented Cases of Voter Fraud in North Carolina, Mar. 11, 2013, http://www.democracy-nc.org/downloads/SBOEFraudMemo2013.pdf.

[9] Dianna Hunt, Democratic Precinct Chairwoman Candidate Indicted in Voter Fraud Case in Fort Worth, Star-Telegram, Apr. 30, 2012; Indictment, State v. Woodard, Case No. 1262418 (432d Texas Dist. Ct., Dec. 1, 2011).

[10] South Carolina Law Enforcement Division, Investigative File #32-12-0008, June 4, 2013, at 4-8, 380-89, 404-13, 475-76, http://www.scribd.com/doc/155615207/SLED-Investigation-Into-Voter-Fraud.

[11] Deposition of Major Forrest Mitchell, Texas v. Holder, No. 1:12-cv-00128, Doc. 229-16 (D.D.C. June 15, 2012), at 162-167.

[12] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014.

[13] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014.

[14] Complaint, State v. Crowder, Case No. 02424794 (177th Texas Dist Ct. May 13, 2009); John Kelso, Commentary, You’re Not Fooling Me.  You’re Just Impersonating a Voter, Austin American-Statesman, Mar. 3, 2011.

[15] Susan Lakes, Judge Orders New Election, Hattiesburg American (Miss.), Oct. 24, 2007; Susan Lakes, Candidate to Stay on Ballot, Hattiesburg American (Miss.), Oct. 25, 2007.

[16] Susan Lakes, Candidate to Stay on Ballot, Hattiesburg American (Miss.), Oct. 25, 2007.

[17] Madeline Friedman, Anatomy of Voter Fraud: Will Officials Follow Up on Alleged $10 Vote Payoff?, Hudson Reporter, July 10, 2007.

[18] Marcel Dufresne, Dead Voters? Probe Finds Errors in Records, Hartford Courant, Apr. 20, 2008; In the Matter of a Referral by the Secretary of the State, Conn. State Elections Enforcement Comm’n, File No. 2008-049, Nov. 17, 2008, http://seec.ct.gov/e2casebase/data/fd/FD_2008_949.pdf.

[19] Phuong Cat Le & Michelle Nicolosi, Dead Voted in Governor’s Race, Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Jan. 7, 2005.

[20] Dan McKay, Jeff Jones & Leann Holt, Tallying of Ballots Could Take Days, Albuquerque J., Nov. 3, 2004, at A1.

[21] Dan McKay & David Miles, Clerk Tossing 25% of Ballots, Albuquerque J., Nov. 9, 2004, at A1; Rose-Mary McGee, Disenfranchised By Voter Impersonation, Election Journal,

[22] Dan McKay & David Miles, Clerk Tossing 25% of Ballots, Albuquerque J., Nov. 9, 2004, at A1.

[23] Panio v. Sutherland, 790 N.Y.S.2d 136, 141 (2005).

[24] Milwaukee Police Dept., Special Investigations Unit, Report of the Investigation into the November 2, 2004 General Election in the City of Milwaukee, at 61.

[25] N.C. State Board of Elections, Documented Cases of Voter Fraud in North Carolina, Mar. 11, 2013, http://www.democracy-nc.org/downloads/SBOEFraudMemo2013.pdf.

[26] Young Bush Backer A Little Early, Lewiston Sun-Journal, Apr. 2, 2004.

[27] News Release, AG King Announces Felony Conviction for Illegal Voting, Apr. 9, 2004.

[28] City Commissioner Al Schmidt, Voting Irregularities: Voting Irregularities in Philadelphia County, 2012 Primary Election, July 2012, at 16-18.

[29] Michigan Auditor General, Performance Audit of the Bureau of Elections, Report No. 231-0235-11, May 2012, at 15, http://audgen.michigan.gov/finalpdfs/11_12/r231023511.pdf.

[30] Michigan Auditor General, Performance Audit of the Bureau of Elections, Report No. 231-0235-11, May 2012, at 16, http://audgen.michigan.gov/finalpdfs/11_12/r231023511.pdf.

[31] Transcript, Texas v. Holder, Case No. 12-00128 (D.D.C. July 9, 2012) (vol. I, A.M. Session), at 65-67 (testimony of Texas Director of Elections Keith Ingram).

 

[32] St. John Barned-Smith, Germantown Woman Pleads Guilty to 2012 Voter Fraud, Gazette, Sept. 13, 2013, http://www.gazette.net/article/20130913/NEWS/130919454/germantown-woman-pleads-guilty-to-2012-voter-fraud&template=gazette.

[33] Steve Macdonald, How Does this Democrat Vote Fraud Grab You?, Granite Grok, Jan. 22, 2014, http://granitegrok.com/blog/2014/01/how-does-this-democrat-vote-fraud-grab-you; Vote Fraud: It, and Mistakes, Happen, New Hampshire Union Leader, Jan. 27, 2014.

[34] Application and Affidavit for Arrest, Nevada v. Segura Segura, Case No. RCR-2014-076362 (Nev. Justice Ct. Reno Township Mar. 12, 2014).

[35] Deposition of Major Forrest Mitchell, Texas v. Holder, No. 1:12-cv-00128, Doc. 229-16 (D.D.C. June 15, 2012), at 167-172.

[36] Eva Ruth Moravec, Woman, 81, Jailed in Vote-Fraud Case, San Antonio Express-News, Oct. 5, 2010.

[37] Brandon Lowrey, Escondido: Mexican Man Admits to Voter Fraud, San Diego Union-Tribune, Sept. 7, 2012, http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/Sep/07/escondido-mexican-man-admits-to-voter-fraud/.

[38] Jeremy Roebuck, Progreso Voters Desperate for Solutions to Alleged Election Fraud, McAllen Monitor, Mar. 14, 2009.

[39] Jeremy Roebuck, Progreso Voters Desperate for Solutions to Alleged Election Fraud, McAllen Monitor, Mar. 14, 2009.

[40] Michael Cass, Poll Worker Indicted in Vote Probe, The Tennessean, Dec. 20, 2007; Email from District Attorney Susan Niland to Corbin Carson, July 20, 2012, 11:49:19 AM, http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/404111/tennessee-davidson-county-with-cases.pdf.

[41] Madeline Friedman, Anatomy of Voter Fraud: Will Officials Follow Up on Alleged $10 Vote Payoff?, Hudson Reporter, July 10, 2007; Madeline Friedman, Unclear Which Agency Will Investigate Voter Fraud, Hoboken Reporter, July 8, 2007.

[42] Editorial, Seeking Justice in Memphis, The Tennessean, June 26, 2006; Gail Kerr, No Problem With Dead Voters Here, Official Says, The Tennessean, Feb. 6, 2006; Marc Perrusquia, Judge: Let's Air Details of Fraud, Memphis Commercial Appeal, May 22, 2007.

[43] United States v. Brown, 494 F. Supp. 2d 440, 486 n.73 (S.D. Miss. 2007).

[44] Manny Garcia & Tom Dubucq, Unregistered Voters Cast Ballots in Dade: Dead Man’s Vote, Scores of Others Were Allowed Illegally, Herald Finds, Miami Herald, Dec. 24, 2000.

grats, you just linked to the <2% of US votes that are fraudulent.
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« Reply #7050 on: October 27, 2014, 09:00:06 PM »
grats, you just linked to the <2% of US votes that are fraudulent.

More like <.02%.
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« Reply #7051 on: October 27, 2014, 09:44:28 PM »
http://online.wsj.com/articles/hans-von-spakovsky-here-comes-the-2014-voter-fraud-1414450805
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Here Comes the 2014 Voter Fraud
Progressives and the Justice Department are doing all they can to stop improvements in election integrity.

By HANS VON SPAKOVSKY
Oct. 27, 2014 7:00 p.m. ET

In the past few months, a former police chief in Pennsylvania pleaded guilty to voter fraud in a town-council election. That fraud had flipped the outcome of a primary election. Former Connecticut legislator Christina Ayala has been indicted on 19 charges of voter fraud, including voting in districts where she didn’t reside. (She hasn’t entered a plea.) A Mississippi grand jury indicted seven individuals for voter fraud in the 2013 Hattiesburg mayoral contest, which featured voting by ineligible felons and impersonation fraud. A woman in Polk County, Tenn., was indicted on a charge of vote-buying—a practice that the local district attorney said had too long “been accepted as part of life” there.

Now come the midterm elections on Nov. 4. What is the likelihood that your vote won’t count? That your vote will, in effect, be canceled or stolen as a consequence of mistakes by election officials or fraudulent votes cast by campaign workers or ineligible voters like felons and noncitizens?

Unfortunately, we can’t know. But one thing is almost certain: Voter fraud will occur. Many states run a rickety election process, lacking rules to deter people who are looking to take advantage of the system’s porous security. And too many groups and individuals—including the NAACP, the American Civil Liberties Union and U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder —are doing everything they can to prevent states from improving the integrity of the election process.

Their refrain is that voter fraud either doesn’t exist or is so insignificant that nothing needs to be done to improve ballot security. Yet in the U.S. Supreme Court’s 2008 ruling that upheld Indiana’s voter ID law, Justice John Paul Stevens acknowledged “flagrant examples of such fraud” throughout the nation’s history and observed that “not only is the risk of voter fraud real” but also that “it could affect the outcome of a close election.”

Polling shows that the November general election will likely have many close races, particularly on the local level. Nothing new there. In 2014, 16 local races in Ohio were decided by one vote or through breaking a tie. In 2013, 35 local races in Ohio were that close.

Voting by noncitizens alone could swing such races. A new study by two Old Dominion University professors, based on survey data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, found that 6.4% of all noncitizens voted illegally in the 2008 presidential election, and 2.2% voted in the 2010 midterms.

Since 80% of noncitizens vote Democratic, according to the survey, the authors concluded that these illegal votes were “large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections.” Those that might have been skewed by noncitizen votes included Al Franken ’s 312-vote win in the Minnesota race for the U.S. Senate. As a senator, Mr. Franken would cast the 60th vote needed to make ObamaCare law.

We’ll never know what role noncitizen voting has played in past elections, but the problem is real. While states like New York ignore this problem, other states have passed rules to deal with it.

In addition to voter ID laws, Kansas and Arizona have put in place new proof-of-citizenship requirements for registration to prevent illegal voting. It is a common-sense and needed reform. In recent weeks North Carolina found more than 100 illegal aliens, still in the country thanks to the Obama administration’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, registered to vote. Yet opponents including the League of Women Voters and Common Cause are challenging citizenship requirements in the courts.

Some states have also tried to eliminate same-day registration, which is a recipe for fraud since it prevents election officials from verifying the eligibility of voters and the accuracy of voter-registration information. States also are reducing early voting days, a relatively new phenomenon that has its share of election-administration problems.

These moves to shore up election integrity have been resisted by progressives at every turn, claiming without evidence that such efforts suppress minority turnout. While the lawsuits have largely failed to overturn the rules, they have succeeded in delaying their implementation and made it costly for states to improve election security. South Carolina’s voter ID law will be in place in the November election, but it cost the state $3.5 million in 2012 to beat Eric Holder’s Justice Department in court. The U.S. Supreme Court just upheld a decision throwing out an injunction against a Texas voter ID law, which was in place in state elections in 2013 and primary elections this year.

North Carolina, Ohio and Wisconsin are still battling progressives and the Justice Department in court over their election rules, although North Carolina and Ohio also got favorable decisions from the Supreme Court, allowing them to implement their rules for this election cycle. As John Fund and I outline in our new book on Attorney General Holder, the Justice Department refuses to enforce the federal law requiring states to keep accurate voter rolls—even though a 2012 Pew study found that the rolls are riddled with errors and ineligible voters.

How far are some liberals willing to go in undermining ballot integrity? This month, the conservative guerrilla filmmaker James O’Keefe caught a director of the “social change” organization Work for Progress and an employee for the Greenpeace environmental group voicing their approval of absentee-ballot theft and fraudulent voting in Colorado. Recent polls indicate that the state’s governor and U.S. Senate races are statistical ties.

Greenpeace fired the worker who was caught approving voter fraud, but too many on the left shrug at the prospect of tainted elections. At a Cincinnati “voting rights” rally in March, Rev. Al Sharpton and other liberal activists celebrated Melowese Richardson, who was convicted last year of voter fraud by using her position as a poll worker to vote more than once in the 2012 presidential election. Her five-year prison sentence was amended to five years of probation earlier this year—a delayed wrist-slap that further erodes respect for the ballot box.

For too long, America has basically used the honor system in the voter-registration and election process. That approach is increasingly being revealed as indefensible in a vibrant democracy, where we should make it easy to vote and hard to cheat.

Mr. von Spakovsky, a Heritage Foundation senior legal fellow and former commissioner on the Federal Election Commission, is the co-author, with John Fund, of “Obama’s Enforcer: Eric Holder’s Justice Department” (HarperCollins/Broadside 2014).
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« Reply #7052 on: October 27, 2014, 10:19:11 PM »
"Election integrity"

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Watch that become a new conservative buzzword
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« Reply #7053 on: October 27, 2014, 10:48:12 PM »
"guerrilla filmmaker"

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« Reply #7054 on: October 27, 2014, 10:56:52 PM »
if lawmakers legit gave a shit about "election integrity," the priority should probably be voter turnout, not voter fraud

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Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #7055 on: October 28, 2014, 10:30:13 AM »
Just came across this by accident, will have to remember next time I get the crap from the children who stick their fingers in their ears when the mythical narrative is questioned.



Carter  :whew
Clinton  :aah

also lol at Bush's hiring jump, trying to make up for the previous eight years huh buddy?

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« Reply #7056 on: October 28, 2014, 10:46:22 AM »




Like, literally.

That said, bring back campaign ads like this:


Nixon now! Nixon now! More than ever. Nixon now!

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« Reply #7057 on: October 28, 2014, 10:47:38 AM »
Nixon will go down as the most underrated president of all time. He really helped integrate our society, expanded our international relations, and really actually did a hell of a job. Unfortunate he went down the way he did.
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« Reply #7060 on: October 28, 2014, 11:12:12 AM »
Nixon will go down as the most underrated president of all time. He really helped integrate our society, expanded our international relations, and really actually did a hell of a job. Unfortunate he went down the way he did.

This post is KILLING me, ya'll
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« Reply #7061 on: October 28, 2014, 11:15:42 AM »
Nixon will go down as the most underrated president of all time. He really helped integrate our society, expanded our international relations, and really actually did a hell of a job. Unfortunate he went down the way he did.

This post is KILLING me, ya'll

Feel free to refute it. But read this first so you don't sound so undereducated.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/nixon-domestic/


Like him or not he had a hand in desegregation, and often gets ripped for it. But his method did decrease violence

He empowered females...and often gets ripped for it.


Not the best guy in the world, but a better man then he gets credit for. History always shits on the shamed.



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Nixon viewed the federal bureaucracy as a poor revenue manager. But instead of simply cutting taxes, as later Conservatives would, he proposed a new system called revenue sharing, which redirected funds to the state and municipal levels. The federal government would collect taxes and the local governments would spend the money.

Obama doing this, btw?

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With the assistance of Urban Affairs Council secretary Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Nixon created the Family Assistance Plan. FAP called for the replacement of bureaucratically administered programs such as Aid to Families with Dependent Children, Food Stamps, and Medicaid, with direct cash payments to those in need. Not only single-parent families, but the working poor would qualify for aid. All recipients, save the mothers of preschool age children, would be required to work or take job training.

hmmm

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Nixon won reelection by a landslide in 1972. During his first term, Nixon succeeded in redirecting power away from the federal government. Some argue that his efforts benefited women and minorities, resulted in a cleaner environment and provided money and power for local initiatives. New Federalism, however, withered on the vine as Nixon fought in vain to preserve his presidency during the Watergate scandal.

Indeed



And note I didn't pick some blathering shit from a pro-nixon site, PBS is actually rather tough on him.
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Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #7062 on: October 28, 2014, 11:17:25 AM »
We should all fondly remember when Nixon's Great Society finally achieved victory over LBJ's nefarious Southern Strategy

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« Reply #7063 on: October 28, 2014, 11:25:19 AM »
:obama
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« Reply #7064 on: October 28, 2014, 11:27:38 AM »
:obama


Nice retort, you clearly are a politically savvy individual....

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« Reply #7065 on: October 28, 2014, 11:35:17 AM »
I was basically saying you made a point with your source.

In that smiley, Obama's face basically amounts to,"not bad, you made your point." Why am I explaining this?
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« Reply #7066 on: October 28, 2014, 11:36:51 AM »
I was basically saying you made a point with your source.

In that smiley, Obama's face basically amounts to,"not bad, you made your point." Why am I explaining this?

Ah, sometimes I can't read the facial expressions well. Thanks.
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Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #7067 on: October 28, 2014, 11:36:57 AM »
Nixon is the most fascinating president to me. He definitely did some great things and was a brilliant guy in many ways but was ruined by his own inferiority complex and paranoia.
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« Reply #7068 on: October 28, 2014, 11:37:54 AM »
Nixon is the most fascinating president to me. He definitely did some great things and was a brilliant guy in many ways but was ruined by his own inferiority complex and paranoia.

I would never argue that point. He had some major control issues and also apparently was borderline abusive to his staff.
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« Reply #7069 on: October 28, 2014, 11:47:00 AM »
You'll dislike the political "slant" but Nixonland is a great novel. In a sense Nixon was somewhat like what conservatives believe Obama is: someone deeply resentful and downright hostile to the elite or upper class. But interestingly he also turned that resentment against blacks, repackaging many of the anti-black views that persist to this day.
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« Reply #7070 on: October 28, 2014, 11:48:01 AM »
You'll dislike the political "slant" but Nixonland is a great novel. In a sense Nixon was somewhat like what conservatives believe Obama is: someone deeply resentful and downright hostile to the elite or upper class. But interestingly he also turned that resentment against blacks, repackaging many of the anti-black views that persist to this day.

I stopped reading political books around the time I read one and they had me trying to believe that Lincoln was going to send all of us home with a gold coin.

Edit: here's a quasi-review

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8319858/Abraham-Lincoln-wanted-to-deport-slaves-to-new-colonies.html

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« Reply #7071 on: October 28, 2014, 11:51:20 AM »
Nixon thought the Federal Reserve deliberately worked to prevent his election in 1960 because they're like bankers and you know...money lenders...you know...

The Good ol' Pink Sheet days: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_California,_1950
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« Reply #7072 on: October 28, 2014, 11:56:02 AM »
Nixon is the most fascinating president to me. He definitely did some great things and was a brilliant guy in many ways but was ruined by his own inferiority complex and paranoia.

He was extensively physically and psychologically abused as a child. I've been to the house where he grew up... there wasn't much room there to hide.

If y'all ever find yourself in OC--and god I don't know why you would now that Disney World exists--you should scope out his library, if only for how awkward the Watergate section is.

Last time I was there I almost blew my cover by being the only person to know how Alger Hiss got got. :whew


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« Reply #7073 on: October 28, 2014, 12:06:28 PM »
But Lincoln did want to deport the slaves...
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« Reply #7074 on: October 28, 2014, 12:10:29 PM »
But Lincoln did want to deport the slaves...

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« Reply #7075 on: October 28, 2014, 12:11:35 PM »
And as expected, it resulted in voter fraud as I linked on the last page.

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« Reply #7076 on: October 28, 2014, 12:30:52 PM »
And as expected, it resulted in voter fraud as I linked on the last page.

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« Reply #7077 on: October 28, 2014, 12:41:11 PM »
Nixon would almost be a liberal [in some ways] by today's GOP standards, but he also presided over and facilitated one of the most corrupt administrations in America history.

Well, except for Reagan.

And Bush Jr.
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« Reply #7078 on: October 28, 2014, 12:42:53 PM »
Nixon would almost be a liberal [in some ways] by today's GOP standards, but he also presided over and facilitated one of the most corrupt administrations in America history.

Well, except for Reagan.

And Bush Jr.

You must have forgot to type LBJ and Clinton.....

I mean Billy doing Billy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_controversy

And

Good old LBJ had limited intentions of stopping the war as his wifey's dad was highly involved in the logistics of war and all...


But that ain't none of my business though. *wink
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Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
« Reply #7079 on: October 28, 2014, 12:44:51 PM »
Nixon would almost be a liberal [in some ways] by today's GOP standards, but he also presided over and facilitated one of the most corrupt administrations in America history.

Well, except for Reagan.

And Bush Jr.

In addition there is nobody here that was old enough to Live during Reagan or their parents that would say they are doing better now.

So put that cock in your mouth and suck it...

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