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Stiglitz and Reich

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Just can't get excited about Sanders at this point in the election. I'd like to be wrong, but my feeling is that he's going to end up being a liberal Ron Paul, a flash in the pan who excites a certain group of people but who ends up leaving exactly zero impact on the election.
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I doubt he wins any primaries (maybe Vermont) and I highly doubt he even really "shifts the debate" like people think he's going to.

But, it's still a good thing he's running. I like him a lot.
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at the very least, he's denying Chafee, O'Malley, and Webb whatever sort of coverage they would have gotten. I really would rather the non-Hillary primary stuff be about Bernie Sanders then those empty suits.

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The rest of the Dem field is pretty shitty, tbh. I'd much rather it be a discussion for mainstream, centrist democratic policies vs. Bernie.
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Interested in seeing how Sanders' campaign affects Hillary's, if at all.  "We should stake out a bunch of liberal territory so he doesn't paint us as an uninspiring DINO" vs. "Great, let's beat up the lefty weirdo so we can establish our centrist credibility for the general election."

Basically hoping he can be John Edwards (or even Steve Forbes/Tom Tancredo) rather than Ron Paul.

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She moved to the left before the process began, presumably to ensure she wouldn't get outflanked by a liberal challenger. Outside of TPP I haven't really seen any major differences between the two on current issues. Of course Bernie is more liberal but both want to raise the minimum wage, both want higher taxes for the wealthy, both support immigration reform/further executive actions, both want to get rid of Citizen's United, etc. I'd imagine Hillary's people recognize these positions don't hurt her in the general election so fuck it.

That being said I eagerly await Jennifer Rubin's #hottake that Hillary is being pulled to the far left just as Romney was pulled to the far right and there's no way she can win a general election.
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That's the impression I got, though I haven't been paying close attention.  Her comments on mass incarceration are definitely a departure from how I remember the Clintons talking about crime in the 90's.

On that topic, I don't think Romney even moved that far to the right.  He emphasized different things and made his rhetoric about Obama a lot more aggro, but I don't remember him staking out any actual positions outside of mainstream American conservatism.

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He did go to the right on immigration, but I think you're correct outside of that. I remember him attacking Perry pretty tough on immigration, back when it seemed like Perry would be a well financed challenger for him, and some of his comments then were later used against him in the primary. Not to mention the self deportation comments.

Some might say his Obamacare comments count too but eh...at the time there was so much uncertainty (iirc the SC ruling came down in July 2012) about the law, plus it wasn't popular and the exchanges hadn't gone into effect. I don't remember the exact polling on whether people wanted the law fully repealed or not but I'd imagine it was close enough not to hurt Romney. Whereas now the general election viability of a "repeal" platform is pretty much nil, given how many people are signed up or directly benefit from the law.
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Oh, god, what is this feeling? What does it mean when I agree with Coulter? :yuck

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I do want to go on a bender while in Bender and possibly read the Ostap Bender saga again there too.

Shakespeare was believed to use 12000 different words in his vocabulary. A savage african has maybe 300 in his. She had 30.
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How come Texans don't have to support the troops?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-americans-are-coming-texans-fear-obama-led-us-military-invasion/2015/07/04/58047fee-2001-11e5-84d5-eb37ee8eaa61_story.html

Obviously the location where they filmed The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and the birthplace of Michael Moorcock would be crucial during an Obamavasion of Texas.
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Those poor, guuuuuuuuullible people.  :snoop
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I do want to go on a bender while in Bender and possibly read the Ostap Bender saga again there too.

Shakespeare was believed to use 12000 different words in his vocabulary. A savage african has maybe 300 in his. She had 30.

The Twelve Chairs has a lot more questionable humor than The Golden Calf and that's one of the reasons I enjoy it far less than its sequel.

The chapter on tribal people in their American travelogue is quite on point. (This was written at the end of their career.) I like to think we can always get better.

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Kara, I heard your call into The Savage Nation today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ookj1EluNRY#t=38m48s

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Mods pls change my name to "an Embarrassment to the Jewish People" tia.

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Moses will do.

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The Twelve Chairs has a lot more questionable humor than The Golden Calf and that's one of the reasons I enjoy it far less than its sequel.

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Statement from Donald J. Trump:

I don’t see how there is any room for misunderstanding or misinterpretation of the statement I made on June 16th during my Presidential announcement speech. Here is what I said, and yet this statement is deliberately distorted by the media:

“When Mexico (meaning the Mexican Government) sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you (pointing to the audience). They’re not sending you (pointing again). They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re bringing drugs.They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people! But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting. And it only makes common sense. They’re sending us not the right people. It’s coming from more than Mexico. It’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably from the Middle East. But we don’t know. Because we have no protection and we have no competence, we don’t know what’s happening. And it’s got to stop and it’s got to stop fast.”

What can be simpler or more accurately stated? The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc. This was evident just this week when, as an example, a young woman in San Francisco was viciously killed by a 5 time deported Mexican with a long criminal record, who was forced back into the United States because they didn’t want him in Mexico. This is merely one of thousands of similar incidents throughout the United States. In other words, the worst elements in Mexico are being pushed into the United States by the Mexican government. The largest suppliers of heroin, cocaine and other illicit drugs are Mexican cartels that arrange to have Mexican immigrants trying to cross the borders and smuggle in the drugs. The Border Patrol knows this. Likewise, tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border. The United States has become a dumping ground for Mexico and, in fact, for many other parts of the world. On the other hand, many fabulous people come in from Mexico and our country is better for it. But these people are here legally, and are severely hurt by those coming in illegally. I am proud to say that I know many hard working Mexicans—many of them are working for and with me…and, just like our country, my organization is better for it.

The Mexican Government wants an open border as long as it’s a ONE WAY open border into the United States. Not only are they killing us at the border, but they are killing us on trade … and the country of Mexico is making billions of dollars in doing so.

I have great respect for Mexico and love their people and their peoples’ great spirit. The problem is, however, that their leaders are far smarter, more cunning, and better negotiators than ours. To the citizens of the United States, who I will represent far better than anyone else as President, the Mexican government is not our friend…and why should they be when the relationship is totally one sided in their favor on both illegal immigration and trade. I have pointed this out during my speeches and it is something Mexico doesn’t want me to say. In actuality, it was only after my significant rise in the polls that Univision, previously my friend, went ballistic. I believe that my examples of bad trade deals for the United States was of even more concern to the Mexican government than my talk of border security.

I have lost a lot during this Presidential run defending the people of the United States. I have always heard that it is very hard for a successful person to run for President. Macy’s, NBC, Serta and NASCAR have all taken the weak and very sad position of being politically correct even though they are wrong in terms of what is good for our country. Univision, because 70% of their business comes from Mexico, in my opinion, is being dictated to by the Mexican Government. The last thing Mexico wants is Donald Trump as President in that I will make great trade deals for the United States and will have an impenetrable border--only legally approved people will come through easily.

Interestingly, Univision has just announced they are attempting to go public despite very poor and even negative earnings, which is not a good situation for a successful IPO or high stock price—not to mention that I am currently suing them for breach of contract. Remember, Univision is the one who began this charade in the first place, and they are owned by one of Hillary Clinton’s biggest backers. After the speech was made, there were numerous compliments and indeed, many rave “reviews”—there was very little criticism. It wasn’t until a week after my announcement that people started to totally distort these very easy to understand words. If there was something stated incorrectly, it would have been brought up immediately and with great enthusiasm.

The issues I have addressed, and continue to address, are vital steps to Make America Great Again! Additionally, I would be the best jobs President that God ever created. Let’s get to work!

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Posting another Mickey Kaus column, benji?

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The Twelve Chairs has a lot more questionable humor than The Golden Calf and that's one of the reasons I enjoy it far less than its sequel.

RNC candidates are all the Sons of Ronald Reagan.

Like 90% of my job is making sure irl Bureaux of Horns and Hooves stay on the level. :lol

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Posting another Mickey Kaus column, benji?
This actually made me head over to the kausfiles, I had forgotten it's 95% a feed for his twitter now.

He appears to think Trump is working in tandem with Jeb to blunt his foes and make Jeb look like the only reasonable candidate as others chase after Trump.

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Trump is a cartoon character, a caricature of his former self stretched so broadly that it is impossible to take him seriously anymore.
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I have to hand it to the GOP with their Trump fall guy strategy.
I mean basically anyone will look like Jesus next to Trump when running without ever having done anything.
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I have to hand it to the GOP with their Trump fall guy strategy.
I mean basically anyone will look like Jesus next to Trump when running without ever having done anything.

But that is only a viable strategy if Trump avoids becoming somewhat popular, which he is currently doing a poor job at. Another problem is that there's no clear front-runner, so even 15-20% popularity is enough to put Trump near the front of the pack. Rather than being a useful idiot, I really think the GOP is praying quite fervently that Trump just goes away very soon.
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He's really doing alright despite all this? :goty2

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Some of the latest polls have shown that his numbers jumped significantly since he made those comments, enough to put him just behind Jeb.
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He's trailing second in 3 swing states iirc.
Vote for bigots in 2016 brehs
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So many clowns came and went in 2012 that I can't help but assume Trump will implode well before voting actually begins.
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So many clowns came and went in 2012 that I can't help but assume Trump will implode well before voting actually begins.

Who cares about voting, we just need to get him to a debate.


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One more month! All he has to do is not fall 8-9 spots lol. IIRC the first debates only include the top ten candidates, based on polling.
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Trump exposing the big issue of the primaries early on is a great thing.  The 'pubs are going to have no problem throwing Jeb and Marco under the bus on immigration when this thing really gets going.
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imagine being Reince Prebius right now, with the Donald on his way to a GOP debate.  Just imagine.

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imagine being Reince Prebius right now, with the Donald on his way to a GOP debate.  Just imagine.

Easiest job in America, apparently. Does he even do anything?
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So many clowns came and went in 2012 that I can't help but assume Trump will implode well before voting actually begins.

If he was a relatively unknown candidate, yeah that's exactly what I'd expect. But this is Trump, people already know his brand and any skeletons he might have. I don't think he has any hope of winning but there's a good chance he'll campaign until April.

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imagine being Reince Prebius right now, with the Donald on his way to a GOP debate.  Just imagine.

Easiest job in America, apparently. Does he even do anything?

He's the head of gerrymandering.
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http://www.mediaite.com/online/roy-moore-i-hope-we-dont-have-a-war-because-of-same-sex-marriage/

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Y'all-queda issuing video threats again I see.

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Notice how Drudge, Brietbart and other rightwing sites are basically doing Trump's work for him by highlighting every story about illegal immigrants killing (white) people. This isn't going away.

As I said, South Carolina's primary is gonna be filthy brehs. :whew
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You know, in light of Trump's comments.
I'm feeling a bit of the ol' rape bug. Maybe I'll go out and terrorize a white suburb.
Maybe sell some coke on the side too. It's only 3PM. Got all day.
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Notice how Drudge, Brietbart and other rightwing sites are basically doing Trump's work for him by highlighting every story about illegal immigrants killing (white) people. This isn't going away.

As I said, South Carolina's primary is gonna be filthy brehs. :whew

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http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420806/dukes-of-hazzard-general-lee-bubba-watson-erasing-flag-american-history

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There is a clear and necessary answer to Watson’s rather naïve inquiry, “Why not the American flag?” That answer: Because the General Lee is a piece of America’s cultural history, and civilized people do not vandalize their antiques.

It is fashionable in our age to seek unity in all things, but the “General Lee” is not a statehouse, responsive to and reflective of the popular will. It is a historical artifact and cultural totem that sums up a particular moment in time. By amending it to suit contemporary fashions Watson is seeking, in effect, to erase that moment from history.

Man, our cultural history is wack af. :neogaf
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My Facebook feed is not a statehouse, responsive to and reflective of the popular will. It is a historical artifact and cultural totem that sums up a particular moment in time.
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Holder would have been GOAT attorney general if he hadn't let the banks off with a pat on the wrist.
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Not to mention his blind eye to various civil liberty infractions.

I'll give him rap though. At least he's not heading to Wall Street.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-i-will-win-latino-vote-n388696


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Donald Trump said Wednesday that he believes he will win the Latino vote, slamming Hillary Clinton for promoting what he called an immigration policy that would "let everybody come in… killers, criminals, drug dealers."

:huh

This is some meta political strategy shit right here.



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Trump On Retweet About Jeb's Wife: 'No, I Don't Regret It'

Donald Trump said he doesn't regret retweeting a racially charged remark about fellow 2016 candidate Jeb Bush’s wife, in a sit-down interview with CNN Wednesday.

Although Trump said he didn’t authorize retweeting the message -- “#JebBush has to like the Mexican illegals because of his wife” -- he doesn’t regret sending the message, saying he believes Columba Bush’s Mexican heritage influences his stance on immigration.

"No, I don't regret it," Trump told Anderson Cooper. “If my wife were from Mexico, I think I would have a soft spot for people from Mexico. ... I’ve heard she’s a lovely woman, by the way.”


Trump also responded to a Washington Post report earlier this week that despite his remarks that immigrants entering the U.S. illegally are ruining the country, there are undocumented workers on the construction site of Trump’s new luxury hotel in DC.

Trump said he only wished the Post had named names so that he could fire any undocumented workers.

“I wish they would give us some names, we would get them out immediately,” he said.

Although he shifted some blame on the project’s contractor for hiring the workers on site, Trump said the buck "absolutely" stops with him and that he “can’t guarantee” all workers on his projects have legal immigration status.

The full interview airs tonight on CNN at 8 p.m. EDT.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-immigration-jeb-bush-cnn



And most republican candidates still haven't forcefully condemned him. I assumed Hillary was going to win the Hispanic vote regardless but this fiasco alone could ensure she beats Obama's 2012 numbers (he won 71% of the Hispanic vote). Jeez.
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Don't worry about it, PD. He has GOT the Latino vote locked down! They love him!

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-i-will-win-latino-vote-n388696
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Hispanics getting that wake up call
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GOP leadership has got to be freaking out right now. :neogaf
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PPP's newest North Carolina poll finds that Donald Trump's momentum just keeps on building. He's the top choice of Republican primary voters in the state, getting 16% to 12% for Jeb Bush and Scott Walker, 11% for Mike Huckabee, 9% for Ben Carson and Marco Rubio, 7% for Rand Paul, 6% for Ted Cruz, 5% for Chris Christie, 4% for Carly Fiorina, 2% for Rick Perry, 1% each for Lindsey Graham, Bobby Jindal, and Rick Santorum, and less than 1% each for John Kasich and George Pataki.

Trump's favorability rating in North Carolina is 55/32, much higher than we were finding in national polls prior to his entry into the race. Trump's really caught fire with voters on the far right- 66% of 'very conservative' voters see him favorably to only 24% with a negative view of him. Trump is polling particularly well with younger voters (29%) and men (20%).


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when Tur asked whether he owns a gun, the following exchange ensued:

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TRUMP: I have the license to have a gun, yes, I do.
TUR: Do you own one?
TRUMP: Yes, I do.
TUR: Do you use it? Gun range?
TRUMP: That’s none of your business. It’s really none of your business. I have a license to have a gun.
TUR: Gun control?
TRUMP: What are you talking about?
TUR: Or stronger background checks?
TRUMP: Yes, I have a gun and, yes, I have a permit to have a gun.
TUR: Stronger background checks? What about that? Is there any steps that you would take to make it harder to get a gun in this country?
TRUMP: Once you get into that, you start getting into a situation, the slippery slope where all of a sudden you’re going to really violate the Second Amendment. I don’t want to do anything to violate the Second Amendment. To me, the Second Amendment is very important.
And then came Trump’s time to bash all his famous conservative critics.

On Charles Krauthammer, who called him a “rodeo clown”: He’s “a totally overrated person that dislikes me personally. I’ve never met him. He’s a totally overrated guy, doesn’t know what he’s doing.”

On Jonah Goldberg, who compared him to a “failed man”: “I’m worth a fortune. You know, it’s interesting. I went to the best school, got great marks, everything else. I went out, I made a fortune, a big fortune, a tremendous fortune… bigger than people even understand. […] Then I get called by a guy that can’t buy a pair of pants, I get called names?” [Ed. note: Huh? Does anyone know why Trump would think Goldberg can’t buy pants? Send tips to tips@mediaite.com]

“By the way,” Trump smirked at Tur, “are you going to mention the ones that do like Trump? No, you don’t do that.”

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why does he do all these in the lobby

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I made a fortune, a big fortune, a tremendous fortune, a yoooooge fortune!
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THE WORST SECRETARY OF STATE IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES

:iface benji whip out some Gilded Age losers for Comrade Trump.