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[Mupepe]

I've got a Hispanic coworker who started talking to me about the Ramos incident this morning.  She was laughing while talking about it but I assumed she would be angry about it since most Hispanics I know hate Trump.  Then she asks "So do you think he will be President?"  I said "No" and then she said with very great lament "He has very good ideas but I don't think he can win.  Don't you think?"

O.O

I changed the subject with "Oh.  Did you ever hear back from..."

[benjipwns]

See, he was right, Hispanics LOVE him. The Silent Spanish-Speaking Majority.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

donald trump reminds me of a poor man's hitler.

[Phoenix Dark]

donald trump reminds me of a poor man's hitler.

Obama?

[studyguy]

I've got a Hispanic coworker who started talking to me about the Ramos incident this morning.  She was laughing while talking about it but I assumed she would be angry about it since most Hispanics I know hate Trump.  Then she asks "So do you think he will be President?"  I said "No" and then she said with very great lament "He has very good ideas but I don't think he can win.  Don't you think?"

O.O

I changed the subject with "Oh.  Did you ever hear back from..."

Was talking to my warehouse crew and the only thing on the radio was the exchange between Trump and Ramos all day. None of them had any good to say about that. Went to visit my parents later and that's all they were talking about too. Lot of fucking angry Mexicans around my parts. Anecdotal but still. I mean online I just see a shitload of hand wringing over this shit. There's literally no way other Democratic and Republican canidates aren't lining up interviews with Ramos down the road. Even if the Republicans are shot with Latino votes, not even Jeb will be so far gone that Univision will deny him an interview imo. Trump is just something else.

[Rufus]

You know I think it's kinda weird people are talking about this and people are campaigning when the election is still over a year away. It feels like the campaigning lasts almost two years which seems a bit crazy. Each election seems to have a slightly LONGER and more extensive campaigning season than the previous one too.

There's only so much money you can effecively spend to have your voice heard in, say, 90 days. The solution? Extend this to 180 days, etc.

[benjipwns]

First announcements:
2016: Ted Cruz (March 23, 2015)
2012: Gary Johnson (April 21, 2011) / Newt Gingrich (May 11, 2011)
2008: Tom Vilsack (November 9, 2006) / Evan Bayh (December 1, 2006...dropped out December 16, 2006) / Dennis Kucinich (December 12, 2006) / John Edwards (December 26, 2006)
2004: Howard Dean (Exploratory: May 31, 2002; Officially Announced: June 23, 2003)
2000: John Kasich (February 15, 1999)
1996: Phil Gramm (February 24, 1995)
1992: Paul Tsongas (April 30, 1991)
1988: Pete du Pont (September 16, 1986)
1984: Alan Cranston (February 2, 1983)
1980: George H.W. Bush (May 1, 1979)

[Rufus]

Welp, so much for that then. (du Pont being the conspicuous exception. )

[Great Rumbler]

Announcements aren't really a good measure though.

Exactly, the media shifted to 2016 musings as soon as the last ballots were counted in the 2012 election.

[benjipwns]

Yeah, problem is that due to electoral law, the exploratory committee didn't exist in its modern form until after McCain-Feingold. So you could effectively run for President without needing to do that all that crap. Reagan essentially ran for President from like 1974-1980. Had Ford won, he would have been term-limited in 1980.

Perhaps more interesting is some of the late announcements. Bill Clinton doesn't announce until October 1991 iirc. I think that's the last cycle where anybody jumped in under six months before Iowa.

EDIT: Yeah, the 1992 Democrats:
Tsongas - April 30th
Wilder - September 13th
Harkin - September 15th (at his world famous STEAK FRY!)
Kerrey - September 30th
Clinton - October 3rd
Jerry Brown - October 21st

And Pat Buchanan who decided to challenge H.W. Bush in New Hampshire:
December 10th, 1991

My friends, we come to New Hampshire at a crossroads in our country's history.

The long Cold War between Communism and freedom, in which many of us invested lives and careers, is ending. Some of us thought we would never see the day that Communism was defeated, and the empire of Lenin and Stalin dismantled. By the grace of God, America won the Cold War.

But victory has not brought with it an end to history.

Beyond these shores, a new world is being born for which our government is unprepared, and we are unprepared. The dynamic force shaping that world is nationalism.

From Ukraine to Croatia, old nations are breaking up, new nations are being born. And as we Americans have always stood for freedom and self-determination, we should not fear the future. We should be the first to welcome them into the family of nations. For they all look to America as the ideal of what they too might one day become.

In the Far East, however, nationalism has taken on a different and harder aspect. The rising economic power of Japan has filed a claim to displace the United States as the dominant power of the 21st Century. In Europe, many of the ancient states are signing up to exchange their national birthright for a limited partnership in an economic co-op called the EC. In Holland, a conservative prime minister is today being pressed to lead the Mother of Parliaments into yielding up to bureaucrats in Brussels what generations of British soldiers fought to preserve.

We Americans must not let that happen here.

We must not trade in our sovereignty for a cushioned seat at the head table of anyone's New World Order.

The first challenge we face, then, is economic, presented by the rise of a European super state and a dynamic Asia led by Japan. The 20th Century was the American Century, but they intend to make the 21st, the century of Europe or the Century of Asia.

So, as we Americans congratulate one another on the victory for freedom that we, first and foremost, won, and won together for all mankind in the Cold War, we must begin to prepare for the new struggles already underway.

All the institutions of the Cold War, from vast permanent U.S. armies on foreign soil, to old alliances against Communist enemies that no longer exist, to billions in foreign aid, must be re-examined. With a $4 trillion debt, with a U.S. budget chronically out of balance, should the United States be required to carry indefinitely the burden of defending rich and prosperous allies who take America's generosity for granted as they invade our markets?

Whenever there is a natural disaster, anywhere, from Armenia to Kurdistan to Bangladesh, we Americans will be there, first, with aid and relief. That is our tradition, a tradition that will never change. But it is time to end these routinized annual transfers of our national wealth to global bureaucrats, who ship it off to regimes that pay us back in compound ingratitude. It is time to phase out foreign aid, and start looking out for the needs of the forgotten Americans right here in the United States.

So, today, we call for a new patriotism, where Americans begin to put the needs of Americans first, for a new nationalism where in every negotiation, be it arms control or trade, the American side seeks advantage and victory for the United States.

[ToxicAdam]

I think the two things that have changed is that the 24/7 news cycle is churning out more content than ever, so they always need to feed (which encourages people to get out there). Also, the amount of money that needs to be raised is higher than ever, so they need to get an earlier start.

[benjipwns]

There's like ten channels and the entire internet vs. CNN.

[Kara]

The first challenge we face, then, is economic, presented by the rise of a European super state and a dynamic Asia led by Japan.

"Samsonite! I was way off!"

[Phoenix Dark]

[benjipwns]

I think she started getting work done and that whole downward cycle started. When she should probably would have aged naturally better. She's only 51.

[benjipwns]

http://www.progressivestoday.com/unbelievable-news-site-posts-picture-of-donald-trump-in-crosshairs/

UNBELIEVABLE! News Site Posts Picture of Donald Trump in CROSSHAIRS

After the 2011 shooting of Gabby Giffords, liberals immediately blamed Sarah Palin for creating a political map with crosshairs marking political districts which she hoped Republicans would win.

The map had absolutely nothing to do with the shooting. The shooter turned out to be a left wing loon who needed psychiatric help. Liberals were just politicizing the incident, as they always do.

America was then subjected to weeks of finger wagging from liberals who insisted that we needed a new tone in American politics.

This week, the news site Business Insider posted this story:

The South Carolina GOP has Trump in its crosshairs

One Twitter user caught them promoting the story with a picture of Donald Trump in crosshairs:


Is this part of the NEW TONE?

Can you even imagine what would happen if someone posted a similar picture of Hillary Clinton?

[benjipwns]

Professional wrestler and actor Hulk Hogan told TMZ he wants to be GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump’s running mate if he makes it to the general election.

A TMZ reporter asked Hogan, whose real name is Terry Bollea, which candidate he would want to fight against in the wrestling ring.

“I don’t want to be in the ring with any candidates. I want to be Trump’s running mate,” Hogan replied.

“Did you hear that? Vice President Hogan,” he added.

[Dickie Dee]

“They tell you that there’s a war on women,” he said. “There is no war on women. There may be a war on what’s inside of women, but there is no war on women in this country.”

 

[Joe Molotov]

#WarInWomen

[Rufus]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/hulk-hogan-wants-to-be-donald-trumps-running-mate-in-the-us-presidential-election-10477981.html

 

[Dickie Dee]

Might happen, just like Gore picking Lieberman to establish decorum on the ticket.

[Yeti]

Have there been any good freakouts yet from Obama renaming Mt. McKinley to Denali?

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/f60262f7cb8a4363b3a38b7a035ed66b/white-house-says-mount-mckinley-be-renamed-denali

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/iowa-poll-sanders-catches-up-to-clinton_55e23422e4b0b7a96339423c

Wow, maybe Sanders does have a shot after all.  Maybe I will need to start donating and volunteering for Bernie.

[Snake]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/hulk-hogan-wants-to-be-donald-trumps-running-mate-in-the-us-presidential-election-10477981.html

 

It's worth pointing out that this exact scenario may very well have been central to the plot of Gremlins 3 had it been made.

[Mods Help]

Sanders will overtake Clinton after the first Democratic Party Candidate debate.

[recursivelyenumerable]

I was tempted to make a Czolgosz joke but checking Twitter they have of course all been already worn out many times over.

[Great Rumbler]

Have there been any good freakouts yet from Obama renaming Mt. McKinley to Denali?

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/f60262f7cb8a4363b3a38b7a035ed66b/white-house-says-mount-mckinley-be-renamed-denali

Nothing major, but some fringe sites have complained about it, which is amusing because Alaska has been wanting to change it to Denali for a while [Murkowski introduced a bill earlier this year to that effect] but got a lot of pushback from Ohioans who wanted to keep the mountain named after their native son.

[Joe Molotov]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/iowa-poll-sanders-catches-up-to-clinton_55e23422e4b0b7a96339423c

Wow, maybe Sanders does have a shot after all.  Maybe I will need to start donating and volunteering for Bernie.

sanders_happening.gif

[Kara]

I was tempted to make a Czolgosz joke but checking Twitter they have of course all been already worn out many times over.

Anarchism is a religion of peace.

[recursivelyenumerable]

that's pretty good.

[Barry Egan]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/iowa-poll-sanders-catches-up-to-clinton_55e23422e4b0b7a96339423c

Wow, maybe Sanders does have a shot after all.  Maybe I will need to start donating and volunteering for Bernie.

I don't want to discourage you from helping Bernie out, but the fact that the poll includes Joe Biden is probably tilting things in Bernie's favor.  When polls don't include Biden, Hillary still has a 15-20 point lead.  And Biden isn't going to be putting his hat in this late in the game unless Hillary's campaign has a substantial implosion.

[Trent Dole]

Man wouldn't it be great if it turns out neither Bush or Clinton gets their parties nomination?

[Phoenix Dark]

Man wouldn't it be great if it turns out neither Bush or Clinton gets their parties nomination?

speaking of Bush
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/jeb-bush-president-2016-fundraisers-problems-213156

[studyguy]

Some conversation about Carson surging in Iowa as well, but I don't know exactly how far that alone will go. Skeptical that he won't just fade into obscurity as time goes on like another Herman Cain.

[Trent Dole]

The good ship Jeb sure does seem to be sinking lately, and Carson is just the new Keyes. 'We're diverse you guys we swear!'

[benjipwns]

Have there been any good freakouts yet from Obama renaming Mt. McKinley to Denali?

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/f60262f7cb8a4363b3a38b7a035ed66b/white-house-says-mount-mckinley-be-renamed-denali

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/karl-rove-obama-mckinley-hawaii

Rove, former deputy chief of staff to President George W. Bush who is working on a book about President McKinley, told Time that he'd expect Obama to be "more gracious" to the man "who made it possible for him to be President."

"In a serious vein, I would hope that he would find a gracious way to honor McKinley, who is an important figure in American history. And I’m not certain he has the authority to have done what he did; the designation was granted by law of Congress in 1917," Rove told the magazine. "In a more jocular way, the guy ought to be more gracious to the guy who made it possible for him to be President."

[benjipwns]

and Carson is just the new Keyes.

Now, that's not fair.

[benjipwns]

Yep, Hillary's a 60 year old woman:

[Kara]

Not my president.

[Phoenix Dark]

[Kara]

[brawndolicious]

I looked it up, Huma was married in June 2010 and Chelsea got married in July 2010. I feel so sorry for her.

[Great Rumbler]

Weiner's game was awful, should have been studying at the feet of the master:

[octopushover]

there's no canadian election thread here so let me just say that for the first time my electoral riding is competitive.

possibly casting a swing vote

[Brehvolution]

I hope the Canadians move away from the party that willfully tied its economy to the price of oil.

[ToxicAdam]

If you have some time to kill (it's long), I highly recommend the New Yorker piece on Atlantic City.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/09/07/the-death-and-life-of-atlantic-city

[Brehvolution]

I took my wife to Revel for her 40th last year. 6 days before it closed. Amazing place. Dinner at the Knife and Fork was amazing too and it should have been for the price.

[octopushover]

I hope the Canadians move away from the party that willfully tied its economy to the price of oil.

You and the 60% of us who voted for someone else.

[Kara]

In light of the Chipotle lawsuit are we going to pretend like HRC hasn't lost California now?

Never undersell the Bell.

[Barry Egan]

[benjipwns]

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/clinton-2016-has-never-made-sense-for-democrats/401597/

[ToxicAdam]

 The Donald showing how the sausage is made.

[Mandark]

Indeed.

[Phoenix Dark]

well when you put it like that it's hard to argue against.

[benjipwns]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Patriot_Party

It was led by its founder, Frazier Glenn Miller, Jr., through various organizational incarnations. The organization began in the mid-1970s as the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. It was involved in the incident in Greensboro, North Carolina when a confrontation between Klansmen, Nazis and communists left five people dead. The organization became the Confederate Knights of the Ku Klux Klan in the early 1980s and the White Patriot Party in 1985.

At a time of a poor farming economy in North Carolina, the group built support by blaming economic problems on Jewish bankers. Estimates were that its numbers might have been as high as 3000. On April 6, 1987, the group declared war against the federal government, which they called "person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation Occupation Government" (ZOG).

The WPP collapsed after Miller violated an injunction against paramilitary activity and was convicted of threatening the civil rights activist Morris Dees. He was imprisoned from 1987 to 1990. In a 1988 sedition trial in Arkansas, Miller testified for the prosecution that he had received $200,000 in stolen money from The Order to finance operations of the White Patriot Party. The Order was also called the Brüder Schweigen, or Silent Brotherhood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Order_(group)

A fundamental goal of The Order was revolution against the American government, which its members, and those of other white supremacist groups, believed to be controlled by a cabal of prominent Jews. The Order was named after, and partly modeled on, a fictional group in William Luther Pierce's novel The Turner Diaries.[2] The Order's goals included the establishment of a homeland (now the Northwest Territorial Imperative) from which Jews and non-whites would be barred. They often referred to the United States federal government as ZOG, an acronym for person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation Occupied Government.

The Order raised money through violent crime. This began with the robbery of a sex shop, which netted them $369.10. Their later attacks were more effective, including several lucrative bank robberies, as well as bombings of a theater and a synagogue. The Order ran a large[3] counterfeiting operation, and executed a series of armored car robberies, including one near Ukiah, California that netted $3.6 million.[4] Proceeds from these robberies were distributed to leaders of sympathetic organisations such as William Pierce (National Alliance) and Frazier Glenn Miller, Jr. (White Patriot Party).[5]

The Order drew up a hit list of enemies, and on June 18, 1984 radio talk show host Alan Berg was murdered in front of his home by Bruce Pierce, assisted by other members of The Order.[6] Berg was number two on The Order's list.[7]

Motto   Thou art my battle axe and weapons of war: for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms; Jeremiah 51:20

The Order put Berg in the top three of their hit list, which included TV producer Norman Lear and Morris Dees of the Southern Poverty Law Center.

"They figured Norman Lear would be hard to get and Morris Dees lived too far away," said White.

Berg was an easier target.

Just lazy. And now the Jews are more powerful than ever.

American neo-Nazi/white supremacist parties have as many splits as the Communists/Socialists. Who will be their Bob Avakian to bring synthesis?

[Mandark]

ha ha ha I guess, but then there are the un-bolded parts "left five people dead," "bombings of a theater and synagogue," and "murdered in front of his home"

[benjipwns]

Sorry, about not posting singularly comedy or mockery posts.

Not that a bunch of people complicit in the mass genocide of children should blink an eye at a handful of broken eggs.

[benjipwns]

FMR. VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY: The question you say to yourself was she naive and competent enough to think she could function this way or think rules don't apply to her. No matter how you answer that question, it raises concerns for her being president.

[Kara]

There was/is a white supremacist party in California whose leader at one time was named Merlin and I really hoped that he was a Grand Wizard of the Invisible Empire too with a name like that.

[Great Rumbler]

FMR. VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY: The question you say to yourself was she naive and competent enough to think she could function this way or think rules don't apply to her. No matter how you answer that question, it raises concerns for her being president.

That heart should have went to someone who was actually going to use it.