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[Joe Molotov]

that's up there with "Obama didn't want to get Bin Laden but was overruled" Sean Hannity fuckery.

I'm legit surprised there aren't more Osama truthers that believe that Obama faked Bin Laden's death and put him up in a New York penthouse because they're butt buddies. I can only assume Roger Ailes has been warned not to go there because this is actually what did happen.

[Phoenix Dark]

I love Killer Mike but dude compared Hillary to Margaret Thatcher while praising Sanders recently. Come on breh...

[Samson Manhug]

Will there be an Sunnis left in this Syria? Where do they go?

We're not talking a perfect solution here. But if I were to ask you a question, what's the alternative? A lot of people are going to die no matter who "wins."

Assad might not be going anywhere, but it doesn't look like the FSA or Islamists or Kurds are either. Obviously the "end" of this is next to impossible to plan or forecast for anyone, let alone lay Bore posters, but I can't see anything working other than the Balkanization of at least Syria and probably Iraq, with an effectively permanent presence of UN peacekeepers.

Assad in power of Syria's 2011 borders can never happen again. Those days are gone forever.

[Samson Manhug]

John Bolton reads the Bore confirmed:

This Sunni state proposal differs sharply from the vision of the Russian-Iranian axis and its proxies (Hezbollah, Mr. Assad and Tehran-backed Baghdad). Their aim of restoring Iraqi and Syrian governments to their former borders is a goal fundamentally contrary to American, Israeli and friendly Arab state interests. Notions, therefore, of an American-Russian coalition against the Islamic State are as undesirable as they are glib.

In Syria, Moscow wants to dominate the regime (with or without Mr. Assad) and safeguard Russia’s Tartus naval base and its new Latakia air base. Tehran wants a continuing Alawite supremacy, with full protection for Hezbollah in Lebanon and Syria.

As for Iraq, Russia and Iran want the Sunni territories returned to Baghdad’s control, reinforcing Iran’s regional influence. They may wish for the same in Kurdistan, but they lack the capability there.

Sunnis today support the Islamic State for many of the same reasons they once supported Al Qaeda in Iraq — as a bulwark against being ruled by Tehran via Baghdad. Telling these Sunni people that their reward for rising against the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq will be to put them back in thrall to Mr. Assad and his ilk, or to Shiite-dominated Baghdad, will simply intensify their support for the jihadists. Why would they switch sides?

This is why, after destroying the Islamic State, America should pursue the far-reaching goal of creating a new Sunni state. Though difficult in the near term, over time this is more conducive to regional order and stability.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/25/opinion/john-bolton-to-defeat-isis-create-a-sunni-state.html?_r=0

[Mandark]

Yeah.  From all reports the US has been looking at some kind of negotiated peace as an endpoint to this clusterfuck, and you have to think some kind of partition is waaaaay more likely than reconciliation and power-sharing with the previous borders intact.

At this point I'm not even sure what the path to a negotiated peace would even look like.  The rebels seem super fragmented, the regional patrons who would hopefully push the factions into negotiations don't have any trust among themselves, and everyone might figure "keep fighting so you have the best position on the ground when the music stops" is the best strategy.  "Never negotiate from a point of weakness" blah blah blah.  Just a huge fucking mess.

[seagrams hotsauce]

Ben Carson told reporters on Monday that he has seen the news coverage of New Jersey residents cheering after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, a debunked rumor resurfaced by Donald Trump over the weekend.

He told reporters in Nevada that he "saw the film" of New Jersey residents cheering, later clarifying that he saw the "newsreels" of the cheering, according to ABC News.

 

When I first heard about this I made some awful crack to a friend along the lines of "He was probably confusing Camden with suburban Afghanistan. Easy mistake." Like 12 hours later I see this


https://twitter.com/KFaulders/status/668924301953798144

 

 

[Mandark]

Oh, and Rand Paul doesn't want any Syrian refugees admitted to the US.

I feel like a complete sucker for being even mildly surprised at this.

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

At this point I'm not even sure what the path to a negotiated peace would even look like.  The rebels seem super fragmented, the regional patrons who would hopefully push the factions into negotiations don't have any trust among themselves, and everyone might figure "keep fighting so you have the best position on the ground when the music stops" is the best strategy.  "Never negotiate from a point of weakness" blah blah blah.  Just a huge fucking mess.

[Joe Molotov]

Send arms to Immortal Joe.

[Phoenix Dark]

Will there be an Sunnis left in this Syria? Where do they go?

We're not talking a perfect solution here. But if I were to ask you a question, what's the alternative? A lot of people are going to die no matter who "wins."

Assad might not be going anywhere, but it doesn't look like the FSA or Islamists or Kurds are either. Obviously the "end" of this is next to impossible to plan or forecast for anyone, let alone lay Bore posters, but I can't see anything working other than the Balkanization of at least Syria and probably Iraq, with an effectively permanent presence of UN peacekeepers.

Assad in power of Syria's 2011 borders can never happen again. Those days are gone forever.

Based on my sources* I'm going to have to disagree with you

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*Marine Todd

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[VomKriege]

http://m.startribune.com/minn-gop-group-deletes-tweet-dfl-called-racist-and-bigoted/353162601/

Self created distinguished black fellow problems 

[tiesto]

Went to my uncle's to pick up a table for Thanksgiving (which I'm hosting this year), since my aunt/uncle/mom all agreed not to talk politics at dinner tomorrow he had to get it all out of his system... oh man hearing about how Muslims are literally the worst, how Hillary got a comedy club shut down for cracking benign jokes about her, how much of a failure Obama has been... good luck to all the people tomorrow that have to deal with this stuff.

[Phoenix Dark]

http://m.startribune.com/minn-gop-group-deletes-tweet-dfl-called-racist-and-bigoted/353162601/

Self created distinguished black fellow problems 

"But no one got upset when Booker T. Washington said it" 

[Phoenix Dark]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/669672417774694400

[Joe Molotov]

http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/25/media/donald-trump-serge-kovaleski/index.html

[Rufus]

http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/25/media/donald-trump-serge-kovaleski/index.html

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B-but people make fun of his hair, this is totally fair game.

[Human Snorenado]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/669672417774694400

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Welcome to The Suck

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/america-is-too-dumb-for-tv-news-20151125

[Joe Molotov]

Can you even imagine if in the midst of 24/7 balls-to-wall 9/11 coverage, the media had gotten a sniff of groups of Muslims cheering in the streets of Newark? It would have been everywhere and it would have been a bloodbath. "There's no video, but I remember seeing it" doesn't even begin to hold water.

[Samson Manhug]

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-11-24/ben-carson-seeks-13-percent-of-african-american-vote-to-beat-hillary-clinton

Though President Barack Obama won 93 percent of the black vote in 2012, Carson is betting he can lead a significant portion of that demographic back to the party of Abraham Lincoln. In fact, his team has set ambitious target of winning 13 percent of the African-American vote in order to defeat the current Democratic front-runner in the general election.
“If we can capture that much of the African-American vote, it is mathematically impossible for her to win,” said Armstrong Williams, a longtime Carson adviser, referring to Clinton.

Seems hopeful

“One hundred years from now, they'll talk about Ben Carson as a great surgeon—regardless of what happens with his political ambitions,” he said.

Okay now you're getting carried away

[ToxicAdam]

It's an interesting idea though. Just like there were many white Democrats that wouldn't vote for Obama, I bet there is a significant percentage of black voters that will vote for Carson just because of his skin color.

[Human Snorenado]

Well, shit.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29172660/colorado-springs-firefighters-respond-active-shooter-at-planned

Active shooter at Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs.

[Shadow Mod]

The irony being PP serves more women for prenatal care, so the abundance of patients there at any given moment are likely pregnant women seeking affordable care for their pregnancies.

But why let facts get in the way of being a tool of right wing rhetoric.

[Tasty]

What the...

[Shadow Mod]

Assholes gonna asshole...



Then crocodile tears: https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/670381458360438788

[I'm a Puppy!]

that guy is now beyond just normal asshole. He's a red gaping asshole with a trickle of shit sliding out of it. My god.

[Tasty]

Almost thought that was JayDub's twitter for a sec tbh

[Human Snorenado]

White planned parenthood shooter taken alive after shooting 5 cops, black teenager with knife shot 16 times while walking away from cops.

[Human Snorenado]

3 dead in the shooting, 1 of whom was a cop. He probably shouldn't have responded to the call according to JD.

[Human Snorenado]

PD, remember this kid? I think you called this, but it happened quicker than I would have imagined.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/politics/cj-pearson-conservative-teen-renounces-republicans/index.html

"I was tired of being a champion of a party that turned a blind eye to racial discrimination. Tired of being a champion of any cause that denies equal rights to every American. Tired of being a champion of a party that doesn't care about the issues important to young people," Pearson wrote in an email.

The 13-year-old, African-American YouTube star from Georgia said in an interview that he began considering the change after a conversation with another teen friend, who asked why he doesn't speak out on racial discrimination -- to which he replied he was concerned his followers wouldn't be pleased.

He said the video of Laquan McDonald being shot 16 times by a police officer in Chicago helped open his eyes to the systemic problems of racial discrimination in America and the need to look at the issues objectively.

[Great Rumbler]

To the surprise of no one.

[VomKriege]

Teen changing his mind ? How could have the GOP known about that ?

[VomKriege]

 

[Madrun Badrun]

Assholes gonna asshole...

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Then crocodile tears: https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/670381458360438788

He is such a cunt

[Madrun Badrun]

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/11/27/3726100/congressman-slams-planned-parenthood-on-live-tv-during-active-shooting-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/

[Madrun Badrun]

[Shadow Mod]

Turns out the shooter beat his wife and sexually harassed a neighbor.

Didn't see that coming.

 

[VomKriege]

Meanwhile in France, Marion-Maréchal Le Pen (niece of Marine Le Pen) is under fire from her own backbench and her aunt for proposing to defund Planned Parenthood in the region she is running for the election 

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Those assholes will fuck us up regardless 

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Also it's not that they disagree, more that it is not an issue to bring up "now", in their own terms.

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[Shadow Mod]

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/planned-parenthood-shooting-suspect-made-comment-about-no-more-baby-n470706

Thanks Fiorina and other GOP anti-abortion crusaders.

[brawndolicious]

I'm glad he surrendered. It's best to put the ideology on trial and see who supports him.

[Shadow Mod]

I thought it was plainly obvious who does? They'll never come out and say it, just continue the pattern of riling people up.

[Phoenix Dark]

Every time I think "hey I wonder what happened to...what's his name...that one guy..." he appears as if out of mist.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/45305_Right_Wing_Troll_Chuck_C._Johnson_Pleased_at_Colorado_Planned_Parenthood_Attack

[Joe Molotov]

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/planned-parenthood-shooting-suspect-made-comment-about-no-more-baby-n470706

Thanks Fiorina and other GOP anti-abortion crusaders.

Obama's making our police unsafe, tho.

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

now that White Trash Riker has acted on all the flagrantly false information that he's consumed from 'fair and balanced' news sources, is there any legal recourse that could occur?

I mean, isn't this shit incitement on some level? Isn't it illegal to knowingly disseminate false and defamatory information? Planned Parenthood has nothing to lose, they'll still be hated, and everything to gain by suing all sorts of people and media apparatus.

[Great Rumbler]

O'Reilly skated on George Tiller's death, and that was far closer to incitement than in this case. So, no, nothing will happen to Fox News et al.

http://gawker.com/5273612/bill-oreillys-holy-war-against-george-tiller

[Shadow Mod]

he was the pleasant kind of wife beater and dog shooter...

[Great Rumbler]

"gentle loner"

"occasionally unleashed violent acts toward neighbors and women he knew"

 

[Joe Molotov]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/28/politics/black-religious-leaders-donald-trump-endorsement/index.html

The meeting was described by the campaign in a press release as, "a coalition of 100 African American Evangelical pastors and religious leaders who will endorse the GOP frontrunner after a private meeting at Trump Tower."

Bishop Clarence McClendon, a Los Angeles-based pastor who like Trump has appeared on reality television, was invited to the meeting but will not attend.

"The meeting was presented not as a meeting to endorse but a meeting to engage in dialogue," he said Friday on Facebook.

Bishop Corletta Vaughn, Senior Pastor of The Holy Ghost Cathedral and a star of the Oxygen reality series "Preachers of Detroit," said she was invited to the meeting but will not attend nor endorse Trump.

"Trump is an insult and embarrassment. But he represents the country we have become," she said Wednesday on Facebook. "ZERO experience ... Flaunting a ticket of unbridled bigotry, sexism, racism and everything that is wrong with America."

The Trump campaign has not responded to CNN request for comment on the issue Saturday, and in their announcement, the campaign did not specify, which religious leaders were invited to Monday's meeting.

 

[brawndolicious]

I thought it was plainly obvious who does? They'll never come out and say it, just continue the pattern of riling people up.

Well I meant like the ones who stick to their extremist position even after a disaster.

[Phoenix Dark]

PD, remember this kid? I think you called this, but it happened quicker than I would have imagined.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/politics/cj-pearson-conservative-teen-renounces-republicans/index.html

"I was tired of being a champion of a party that turned a blind eye to racial discrimination. Tired of being a champion of any cause that denies equal rights to every American. Tired of being a champion of a party that doesn't care about the issues important to young people," Pearson wrote in an email.

The 13-year-old, African-American YouTube star from Georgia said in an interview that he began considering the change after a conversation with another teen friend, who asked why he doesn't speak out on racial discrimination -- to which he replied he was concerned his followers wouldn't be pleased.

He said the video of Laquan McDonald being shot 16 times by a police officer in Chicago helped open his eyes to the systemic problems of racial discrimination in America and the need to look at the issues objectively.

Yup, I think you also called this. It seems like he wants to essentially take a half measure though - keep the conservative ideology while incorporating other views he thinks will gain him more followers (not being a dick to gay people, believing in social justice, etc). That's not gonna work out for him. So now I'm wondering whether he'll simply go back to the far right after this new venture bombs, or whether he'll completely swear off conservatism.

For instance he made this video last week


Remember when republicans said that all they need to do is support immigration reform and suddenly everything will be fine? That's basically what's happening here.

[Yulwei]

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disgusting

[studyguy]

PD, remember this kid? I think you called this, but it happened quicker than I would have imagined.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/politics/cj-pearson-conservative-teen-renounces-republicans/index.html

"I was tired of being a champion of a party that turned a blind eye to racial discrimination. Tired of being a champion of any cause that denies equal rights to every American. Tired of being a champion of a party that doesn't care about the issues important to young people," Pearson wrote in an email.

The 13-year-old, African-American YouTube star from Georgia said in an interview that he began considering the change after a conversation with another teen friend, who asked why he doesn't speak out on racial discrimination -- to which he replied he was concerned his followers wouldn't be pleased.

He said the video of Laquan McDonald being shot 16 times by a police officer in Chicago helped open his eyes to the systemic problems of racial discrimination in America and the need to look at the issues objectively.

Yup, I think you also called this. It seems like he wants to essentially take a half measure though - keep the conservative ideology while incorporating other views he thinks will gain him more followers (not being a dick to gay people, believing in social justice, etc). That's not gonna work out for him. So now I'm wondering whether he'll simply go back to the far right after this new venture bombs, or whether he'll completely swear off conservatism.

For instance he made this video last week


Remember when republicans said that all they need to do is support immigration reform and suddenly everything will be fine? That's basically what's happening here.

We lost another one of The Good Ones^TM, boys.
 

[benjipwns]

http://www.vox.com/a/thanksgiving-family-debates-2015

http://www.yourrepublicanuncle.com/

[benjipwns]

http://freebeacon.com/blog/guest-column-how-to-talk-to-your-pansy-marxist-nephew-at-thanksgiving/

Happy Thanksgiving and thanks for publishing my column.

I’m a big fan of this holiday because few things are more American than boozing up and chowing down ’til your ankles swell and your corduroys pop. In between, you get to watch some football and share your thoughts on the trainwreck presidency of Barack Hussein Obama (hint hint).

I consider myself a knowledgable debater because I read up on the blogs and I’m typically one of the most “liked” commenters on the articles.

The reason I’m writing this is because my brother’s dumb kid likes to get chatty with me. I’ve never seen anyone bring so many printouts to the dinner table. His “talking points,” he says. Reminds me of my last divorce, all those friggin’ printouts. This kid, my nephew, will never admit to being a communist, it’s always this “moderate independent” crap. But his Facebook feed is full of Bernie Sandinista, if you know what I mean, and he recently tweeted some gibberish about riding the bus in Czechoslovakia and identifying as a “human being” instead of what he is, an American. He’s been a “student” at some Ivy League circlejerk for the better part of a decade. I think he’s 29, who the hell even cares? If he’s the future, this country’s digging its own grave and I’m glad I won’t be there when it finally kicks the bucket.

When I was his age, I was flying Ranger battalions into Grenada in ’83. I spent Thanksgiving there, and believe me, we didn’t have any damn printouts. We had a war, son. A lot of my buddies have similar situations in their families, and they’re always asking me for advice on how to put up with this left-wing propaganda. Well, I’ll give you a taste. He’s gonna be all like “you’re just giving ISIS what they want.” I’ll come back at him with something like: “You know, you raise an interesting point there, Brayden. I’ll tell you what, why don’t you invite one of your ISIS pals around the house and we’ll see how much he likes it when I slash his guts out with the turkey knife. You think that’s what he wants? They want us to crush them? Tell me something, how did you feel when your Little League team got mercy-ruled by those country boys in the district finals? Is that what you wanted? Were you just phoning it in for the “participant” trophy? Is that why you’re too afraid to shave that pathetic beard? Because that’s what ISIS wants? Am I othering you right now? Did I carpet bomb your safe space?

Maybe, just maybe, what ISIS really wants is a world with fewer people like me, who’ve looked evil in the eye and given a few titty-twisters in our day, and more people like the skinny jean cycle jockeys you pal around with at Yale, with your ska music and your websites and “fantasy” sports. Maybe what ISIS wants is your dental floss forearms that can barely hold a selfie stick, much less a BAR. Do those Vox cards have a talking point for that? Oh, really? Because I was under the impression that in A-m-e-r-i-c-a, the proper way to usher in the holiday season is with a stiff Rusty Nail, not a “dialogue” about small pox and genocide, unless you want to share your feelings about the mass murder ISIS wants to bring down on your ass? Is that a topic we can let marinate?

I bet you had to print out the lyrics to our national anthem when you went to sing it in the quad the night we elected President Hopey Change. No, you listen. You listen, Brayden. When’s the last time you got a blister on those hands? Don’t mention the time you tried eating the vegan hotdog at the WNBA game you made me take you to out of “fairness.” You didn’t even watch the game. You just tweeted about sexism on your iPad. You know, that little computer screen made by Apple, which last I checked was a corporation, Mr. Occupy. Don’t deny it, I was watching you. You only looked up when Taylor Swift came over the PA system. How do you think that made Brittney Griner feel? Remind me: What’s the name of the union for people who Twitter all day from an air conditioned office? Because I don’t think “amateur food photographer” counts as a real job.”

I plan to say this to the little pansy in a firm but slightly mocking tone as I pour another bourbon while eating processed turkey and holding a lit cigarette. Email me at rawdawg61@yahoo.com with any questions. Carpe cibum!

[Brehvolution]

"Of course my uncle would never admit he's a christo-fascist. He calls himself a free market conservative. He doesn't use print outs since he watches foxnews all day for his talking points." 

[benjipwns]

“Is the 2016 Election Truly Unprecedented? Sort Of.”—headline, Washington Post website, Nov. 25

[Joe Molotov]

I consider myself a knowledgable debater because I read up on the blogs and I’m typically one of the most “liked” commenters on the articles.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I consider myself a knowledgable masturbater because I read up on the blogs and I’m typically one of the most “liked” commenters on the articles.

[Samson Manhug]

Great post A++ wow

[Madrun Badrun]

 

Great poster AIA wow

 

[CatsCatsCats]

I just contributed financially to a political campaign for the first time as catharsis for terrible shit I read on my facebook.