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[Am_I_Anonymous]

So anti-gay "religious freedom" bills are A-OK because your coworker is an asshole. Sounds good bro.

No not at all. Sorry if you thought I was comparing the two. I'm not much of a Church State guy. Actually I'm not much for the cult of Churches at all.

[Tasty]

So anti-gay "religious freedom" bills are A-OK because your coworker is an asshole. Sounds good bro.

No not at all. Sorry if you thought I was comparing the two. I'm not much of a Church State guy. Actually I'm not much for the cult of Churches at all.

OK good. I was confused since this is what you said:

North Carolina's state legislature is apparently passing an anti-anti-discrimination bill targeted at LGBT folks.

I mean at some point somebody has to put a stop to this shit.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

No I meant the North Carolina fuckery. My side caveat was more personal dealings, I can see why it would seem I was backing it in context. My bad.

To clarify

In life: Do what you want, you have as much right to life as anyone else on this planet.

In business: Toe the company line as long as that line isn't aimed at your head.

Make sense?

[Tasty]

That's not a terrible statement on the surface but I don't agree workers should be subservient to corporate whims. For sure, nobody should be going out of their way to advertise their sexuality, but trying to dissuade that always hurts those who are normal about it. Replying to "what are you doing this weekend?" with "I'm going out with my boyfriend" isn't "shoving it down" anyone's throat, but in a "work is only for work" context it could be seen as such.

Codifying rules against the bad apples disproportionately hurts normal LGBT folk who simply don't think it's a big deal.

Let me preemptively say the argument "just get another job if you don't like it" is easier said than done for a lot of folks in many industries, and will only get that much harder if "religious freedom" bills like the ones in North Carolina and Georgia are signed into law. It's unacceptable on every level.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

That's not a terrible statement on the surface but I don't agree workers should be subservient to corporate whims. For sure, nobody should be going out of their way to advertise their sexuality, but trying to dissuade that always hurts those who are normal about it. Replying to "what are you doing this weekend?" with "I'm going out with my boyfriend" isn't "shoving it down" anyone's throat, but in a "work is only for work" context it could be seen as such.

Codifying rules against the bad apples disproportionately hurts normal LGBT folk who simply don't think it's a big deal.

Let me preemptively say the argument "just get another job if you don't like it" is easier said than done for a lot of folks in many industries, and will only get that much harder if "religious freedom" bills like the ones in North Carolina and Georgia are signed into law. It's unacceptable on every level.

I'm going out with my boyfriend is not offensive.

Im going out with my girlfriend is not offensive.

I'm trying to get some dick is offensive

I'm trying to get this girls ass is offensive.


Example: One of our field foreman thought it was smart to send naked pics of one of our admins out that he found on a website (she does that not quite all the way dancing, starts with a B, it's escaping me)....I fired his ass. Can't have it either way.

[tiesto]

^ Burlesque. A few friends of mine are into that.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

^ Burlesque. A few friends of mine are into that.

Thanks! It was killing me and I didn't exactly want to go ask her

[Tasty]

Sorry about jumping straight to snark. My jimmies got rustled when you tied the North Carolina thing to your coworker and implied it was a good thing.

For just how much of a shitshow the NC law is, this is a good article.

And on Wednesday, the North Carolina legislature held a special, $42,000-a-day session to pass a sweeping anti-LGBTQ bill that not only repeals Charlotte's ordinance, but bans future local laws that protect LGBTQ people. And on the exact same day, the governor signed the bill into law.

It's a startling piece of legislation — one that Sarah McBride of the Center for American Process called "one of the most extreme, anti-LGBT bills we've seen yet." And North Carolina legislators used a dangerous myth to move forward with the law, regardless of the risks.

Here's what the law does:

The statute overturns and bans local laws that don't conform to the state's nondiscrimination laws for the workplace and public accommodations (hotels, restaurants, and other places that serve the public). Since the state doesn't ban discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity in the workplace or public accommodations, this effectively forces all cities and counties to keep it legal to discriminate against LGBTQ people in these settings.

It prohibits transgender people from using bathrooms or locker rooms in schools and government agencies based solely on their gender identity. Instead, they're forced to use bathrooms and locker rooms based on the gender noted on their birth certificate, which can be changed through an arduous process after gender-affirming surgery but not before then. Public facilities can still build unisex single-person bathrooms to accommodate trans people, but it's not required.

In other words, the law is a mix of two types of anti-LGBTQ measures: laws that ban local nondiscrimination measures for LGBTQ people and an anti-transgender bathroom bill.

Not OK.

[Great Rumbler]

Apparently, NC Dems had to request a bathroom break just to get a few minutes to read the bill. Then the Dems in the Senate all walked out anyway, because it was clear that the Republicans were pushing it through as fast as possible and had no interest in pursuing any debate.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Apparently, NC Dems had to request a bathroom break just to get a few minutes to read the bill. Then the Dems in the Senate all walked out anyway, because it was clear that the Republicans were pushing it through as fast as possible and had no interest in pursuing any debate.

My southern "brothers" never cease to disappoint me.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

real talk what is up with people idolizing Hillary Clinton. She's not particularly charismatic. So why? Just why? Seeing some gaffers fawn over her and refer to her as 'queen' is fucking weird.

Honestly I think she'll be a great president. She's not the best campaigner though, particularly coming off of Obama.

She'll be about as effective as bringing a meat tray to a vegan bar.

Let's see who likes Hillary

The Military:   

The Intelligence Services: 

Congress:   

her own party: 

her husband: 

Obama:

The Entire Middle East: 

Putin: 

Big Banking: 

France: 

Israel: 

UK: 

UN:  \


So she's got fucking Canada (not Montreal though, they hate everybody) and her daughter.





Yeah that a rock solid foundation she's got going there. I can see some key leadership mindshare going on here. She makes Trump see like a pretty cool guy by comparison.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I just realized that    actually looks a like like Hillary, sweet.

[I'm a Puppy!]

nah, beli looks too friendly.

[TakingBackSunday]

real talk what is up with people idolizing Hillary Clinton. She's not particularly charismatic. So why? Just why? Seeing some gaffers fawn over her and refer to her as 'queen' is fucking weird.

Honestly I think she'll be a great president. She's not the best campaigner though, particularly coming off of Obama.

She'll be about as effective as bringing a meat tray to a vegan bar.

Let's see who likes Hillary

The Military:   

The Intelligence Services: 

Congress:   

her own party: 

her husband: 

Obama:

The Entire Middle East: 

Putin: 

Big Banking: 

France: 

Israel: 

UK: 

UN:  \


So she's got fucking Canada (not Montreal though, they hate everybody) and her daughter.





Yeah that a rock solid foundation she's got going there. I can see some key leadership mindshare going on here. She makes Drumpf see like a pretty cool guy by comparison.

Someone's jimmies are rustled

[Phoenix Dark]

lol @ AiA's view that Obama will only be remembered for being black

lol @ Obamacare ruining small businesses

[TakingBackSunday]

lol @ AiA's view that Obama will only be remembered for being black

lol @ Obamacare ruining small businesses

dude trust him, he knows what he's talking about

[ToxicAdam]

He has a friend who runs a business and it was ruined by Obamacare. You can't argue facts.

[Mandark]

Obamacare has killed more small business growth then the recession ever did.

[octopushover]

Obamacare has killed more small business growth then the recession ever did.

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[Am_I_Anonymous]

Obamacare has killed more small business growth then the recession ever did.

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Show me the related hiring explosion of decent waged jobs....oh wait you dildos think a subway gig is equal to an electrical engineer.

[Atramental]

"Sandwich Artist" isn't the only Subway gig...

[TakingBackSunday]

Obamacare has killed more small business growth then the recession ever did.

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Show me the related hiring explosion of decent waged jobs....oh wait you dildos think a subway gig is equal to an electrical engineer.

way to deflect

[Tasty]

real talk what is up with people idolizing Hillary Clinton. She's not particularly charismatic. So why? Just why? Seeing some gaffers fawn over her and refer to her as 'queen' is fucking weird.

I don't understand the complaint that she's not charismatic. I've seen her talk and interact with people, she seems fine to me. She's not "fun Aunt Hillary" but 50% of complaints about her are either her demeanor, looks, or voice and it seems pretty sexist to me. I'm not saying you're sexist if you don't like Hillary, but if you're saying she has "no charisma" it might be worth examining why.



She seems natural enough here when responding to this kid's question. Sure, she's a politician and what she says has to be taken with a grain of salt, but she's not all "BEEP BOOP VERY GOOD QUESTION HOO-MAN" which is what I would expect from what her detractor's say.

But hey, maybe she just needs to smile more?



A male politician has to look and act like Dick Cheney before getting called out on it, but for Hillary all it takes is not smiling enough. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Oblivion]

Obamacare has killed more small business growth then the recession ever did.

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Show me the related hiring explosion of decent waged jobs....oh wait you dildos think a subway gig is equal to an electrical engineer.

As expected, the goal posts have been moved from "OBAMACARE'S KILLING SMALL BUSINESSES!" to "WELL OKAY  SMALL BUSINESSES MIGHT IN FACT ACTUALLY BE GROWING BUT THEY'RE NOT OFFERING HIGH PAYING JOBS!"

And I'm pretty sure that's not true either.

[Phoenix Dark]

Why do you care what employers pay small business employees? Let the market decide, you don't want to force them to downsize.
 

[Oblivion]

Obviously, if Obamacare didn't exist we'd have way more electricians.

[Madrun Badrun]

Ya and tons of 6 man small businesses all in need of permanent electrical engineers.   

[octopushover]

You must never have seen Primer.

[Madrun Badrun]

I dont watch movies that cost less than 50million to make.

[I'm a Puppy!]

I don't get the whole "Saying Hillary looks grumpy is sexist!" bit.
I mean Bernie has been lampooned everywhere for looking like an unstable mental patient and we just sorta laugh it off (we make fun of how Ben Carson looks sleepy, Rubio looks thirsty, Jeb looks like a loser,  and don't mention Trump's "hair").
But then I guess I might not get it because I'm on of those "Bernie bros" or whatever.

Though honestly, I think his tax plan is a train wreck. But at the same time I cant have a candidate that's in essence saying everything I've pushed for in ages and then say "Yeah, the execution will never work, so I wont vote for him."

But then, I'm in California. We're so late in the primary process it doesn't matter who we vote for by the time it gets to us.

[Dennis]

[Tasty]

I don't get the whole "Saying Hillary looks grumpy is sexist!" bit.
I mean Bernie has been lampooned everywhere for looking like an unstable mental patient and we just sorta laugh it off (we make fun of how Ben Carson looks sleepy, Rubio looks thirsty, Jeb looks like a loser,  and don't mention Trump's "hair").

Doesn't happen with them nearly as often as it does with Hillary. I mean, even from the last couple pages of this thread:

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She looks more manly that he does.

real talk what is up with people idolizing Hillary Clinton. She's not particularly charismatic. So why? Just why? Seeing some gaffers fawn over her and refer to her as 'queen' is fucking weird.

I just realized that    actually looks a like like Hillary, sweet.

nah, beli looks too friendly.

Where are the posts about Bernie's or Trump's appearances?

[mormapope]

This forum is incredibly different compared to other places and vice versa. Some people want to fuck or cuddle with Hilary on some parts of the internet, while Bernie Sanders gets called an old ass constantly in some places(even though the age difference between him and Hilary is 6 or 7 years).

Politicians get made fun of all the time. George W Bush was a living meme for 8 years. The words that come out of Hillary's mouth are way worse than her appearance or vagina, personally. You also quoted the same person twice, Dufus didn't say anything about looks or gender, and Puppy said Hilary looks grumpy.

Like, women can be grumpy. Calling Hilary a dyke grandma that should go back home to groom her rug and she should bring all the women at the whitehouse with her would be sexist. 

[seagrams hotsauce]

It's really not a huge concession to admit that people say more shit about Hillary's clothing, looks, etc than her male counterparts. Women have constantly been subject to this kind of thing. I recall the majority of the mockery of Bush surrounded his borderline illiteracy/awful policies, not his mode of dress and lack of smiles.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Tasty, Trump is a walking buffoon who everybody already picks on and Bernie is nearly dead . Let's face it we don't exactly have JFK running for the White House this year. Just because we joked about Hillary last page doesn't mean anything other that's it's a coincidence.

Also this is a political thread, shit is going to be throw around....it's how it is. If you can't handle it without getting upset maybe it's best you stay above the fray buddy, you know?

[Am_I_Anonymous]

It's really not a huge concession to admit that people say more shit about Hillary's clothing, looks, etc than her male counterparts. Women have constantly been subject to this kind of thing. I recall the majority of the mockery of Bush surrounded his borderline illiteracy/awful policies, not his mode of dress and lack of smiles.

People most definitely insulted his looks and intelligence. Go back and watch SNL skits. The difference between him and Obama in the court of public opinion is staggering.

Obama is said to be a handsome, intelligent, emotionally stable, well spoken politician.

Bush was said to be stupid, a product of nepotism, always squinting, terribly spoken, and myopic.


Come to think of it....Kennedy, Clinton, and Obama? Them Dems been killing my Pubs for years on player skills


Reagan was a player back in the day though

[brawndolicious]

People are petty and backstabby enough that every aspect of your appearance and attitude has to be good in order for you to get into a leadership position. That's why Reagan had to dye his hair to beat the Communists.

[ToxicAdam]

It's really not a huge concession to admit that people say more shit about Hillary's clothing, looks, etc than her male counterparts. Women have constantly been subject to this kind of thing. I recall the majority of the mockery of Bush surrounded his borderline illiteracy/awful policies, not his mode of dress and lack of smiles.

Weren't there constant comparisons to Bush and monkeys? I remember there being constant memes about that.

[Brehvolution]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/scotus-healthcare-wrong

Let’s just let those women buy contraceptive-only coverage through the ACA exchanges!, Chief Justice John Roberts, Justice Samuel Alito and Justice Anthony Kennedy all proposed during Wednesday's Zubik v. Burwell hearing.

Be oblivious about a law you can rule on, brehs.

[Mandark]

We really gonna pretend that women aren't more critically scrutinized for their looks/demeanor/presentation than men?  C'mon.

[mormapope]

Outside of celebrity stuff and politics? Yeah. Celebrity stuff and politics? Men and women get shit on for superficial shit all the time.

David Letterman looked like someone his age without makeup and people acted like he let himself go. Ted Cruz has been photoshopped as a wizard or elf.

[Human Snorenado]

It's really not a huge concession to admit that people say more shit about Hillary's clothing, looks, etc than her male counterparts. Women have constantly been subject to this kind of thing. I recall the majority of the mockery of Bush surrounded his borderline illiteracy/awful policies, not his mode of dress and lack of smiles.

People most definitely insulted his looks and intelligence. Go back and watch SNL skits. The difference between him and Obama in the court of public opinion is staggering.

Obama is said to be a handsome, intelligent, emotionally stable, well spoken politician.

Bush was said to be stupid, a product of nepotism, always squinting, terribly spoken, and myopic.


Come to think of it....Kennedy, Clinton, and Obama? Them Dems been killing my Pubs for years on player skills


Reagan was a player back in the day though

All of those things are true, though! He also bankrupted the nation with two shitty wars, let an American city drown because he'd appointed a horse judge to be head of FEMA- since who cares if the government is able to respond to emergencies when you don't view the government as a necessary thing- and had the misfortune to be holding the grenade when it went kablooey all over the financial system, which was a result of prior legislation and deregulation, sure, but not stuff he would have opposed.

You tryin to say he's not a shit tier President that didn't EARN all of that derision, dude? Cause c'moooooooon. Trump ain't right about much, but he's right about W being a fucking dumpster fire.

[ToxicAdam]

We really gonna pretend that women aren't more critically scrutinized for their looks/demeanor/presentation than men?  C'mon.

Between the average man and woman, sure. But once you reach a certain level of fame (and especially if you are a polarizing figure) it doesn't seem to matter any more.

Politics is a breeding ground of polarization.






 

[seagrams hotsauce]

Well people don't really make fun of Hilary for being dumb the way they did Bush because she can, y'know, form complete sentences, and had a basic grasp on grammar. I forgot about the monkey pictures, but I always assumed those were making fun of how dumb he was.

Also once you're on a certain level of fame, sexist shit isn't sexist because you're famous? please

[Rufus]

He's saying the amount of sexist shit is the same.

I don't know either way, but I also think women get scrutinized for their appearance (and age) a lot more than men.

[Mandark]

David Letterman looked like someone his age without makeup and people acted like he let himself go.

Of all the people to use as an example of male celebrities being held to the same beauty standard as female celebrities...

[mormapope]

It was a recent example 

Between the average man and woman, sure. But once you reach a certain level of fame (and especially if you are a polarizing figure) it doesn't seem to matter any more.

Politics is a breeding ground of polarization.

This is where I stand on this.





 

[CatsCatsCats]

I mean, it might be true, but "well we do it to guys too!!" doesn't make it better or somehow erase the context of being a woman.

And I'm very antihilary yall

[Human Snorenado]

Every new David Brooks column is must read entertainment these days...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/opinion/the-post-trump-era.html?smid=pl-share

Paging Mandark!

[Syph]

people idolize hillary because she is a woman
stop lying to yourself

she's a shitty person, as is trump
i ideologically disagree with bernie the most out of any candidate besides maybe cruz but i can appreciate how genuine he is

if hillary were up against a real republican, or if bernie somehow had the machine that she has (aka my point is more fair race) then she would get destroyed...in theory
but i think really she'd win because she's a woman
i guess what i'm trying to say is don't vote for a woman because they're a woman...whenever i talk to female hillary supporters it always becomes about sex
they just really want a female president
ok, i get it
but wouldn't real courage be being able to stick to your principles and wait for a better female candidate to come along, not someone so transparently fake and malleable?

i don't know what the fuck im saying at this point lol i just really take issue with blind obedience to any candidate, regardless or any parameters

ps. this was not a commentary about the discussion on this page

[Tasty]

I'm not voting for Hillary because she's a woman, I'm voting for her because I think she's the best candidate with the sanest policies and the most experience. I'm sure I'm not alone. I don't doubt women want to see a female president, but it's awfully reductionist to boil her entire base down to just that.

[ToxicAdam]

All of this kind of talk is drenched in confirmation bias though.

If something you like (doesn't matter if it's a movie, a game, a person, a place, etc) receives any criticism it can feel unfair or unbalanced. Conversely, if you DISLIKE something all criticism seems just and coming from a logical place.

It can be both though. Some of the criticism of Hillary can come from that sexist instinct in a lot o men and some can come from 20+ years of being a public figure in politics. She's not some neophyte that has stayed out of the headlines and divisive topics.


In the end, that's what a President actually is. Just a totem for us to throw hope at or fling feces at. Something tangible for us to get inspired by or vent at so we don't pick up guns and start shooting those that disagree with us.
 

 

[CatsCatsCats]

I feel like well off democrats vote Hillary because she's most likely to maintain the bubble they live in 

[Tasty]

I feel like well off democrats vote Hillary because she's most likely to maintain the bubble they live in 

That's why she's winning pretty much all the non-white/non-millennial vote, right?

[CatsCatsCats]

Are you saying nonwhites can't be well off? Wow man

[mormapope]

I feel like well off democrats vote Hillary because she's most likely to maintain the bubble they live in 

That's why she's winning pretty much all the non-white/non-millennial vote, right?

Millennials have more money and financial security/nets than middle aged people?
 

[Tasty]

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Are you saying nonwhites can't be well off? Wow man

The Irony of poor whites making this statement is thick....smh

[CatsCatsCats]

You need to just give up on reading the tone of this board. Never did I seriously think he was saying that. He got that, why didn't you?

And I'll have you know I'm securely in the bottom rung of middle class and don't qualify for any of the cool free stuff poor people get.

[Human Snorenado]

I'm in the same boat, but I'm white so I've got that going for me, wheeeeeeeeeee