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[benjipwns]

Also:

I asked The Satanic Temple to weigh in — after all, they have a vested interest in this matter — and spokesperson Lucien Greaves told me this:

Boehner’s comment is illustrative of how well past time it is to adjust our mythologies to reflect our realities. Cruz’s failures of reason, compassion, decency, and humanity are products of his Christian pandering, if not an actual Christian faith. It grows tedious when pedophile priests and loathsome politicians are conveniently dismissed as Satanic, even as they spew biblical verse and prostrate themselves before the cross, recruiting the Christian faithful. Satanists will have nothing to do with any of them.

[CatsCatsCats]

Lol get rekt by Satanists

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Who is more loathesome: Ted Cruz or a bunch of edgelord satanists who get their clothes from Hot Topic (or more accurately, Torrid)?

[seagrams hotsauce]

Ted Cruz

[Madrun Badrun]

Damned Canadian. 

[benjipwns]

A student from Indiana, where Cruz is campaigning ahead of next week’s primary, started to ask Obama a question about Syrian refugees when the president cut him off.
 
“I thought you were going to ask about basketball rings,” Obama said

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[benjipwns]

https://brandnewcongress.org/

America needs an honest, accountable Congress to enact Bernie's program. But trying to win each Congressional seat one-by-one is impossible. So let's run one campaign to replace Congress all at once (except those already on board) that whips up the same enthusiasm, volunteerism and money as Bernie's presidential campaign.

We're building on the tools, tactics and networks that we developed together on Bernie's campaign. But to pull this off, the volunteer movement will have to wield more power and resources than on any campaign before. This means volunteers on the ground will run their own offices and voter contact operations, and will have access to all necessary tools and materials from the start. Get ready for the most beautiful campaign ever.

[VomKriege]

[Brehvolution]

[Joe Molotov]

[Steve Contra]

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Christie

[Tasty]

https://brandnewcongress.org/

America needs an honest, accountable Congress to enact Bernie's program. But trying to win each Congressional seat one-by-one is impossible. So let's run one campaign to replace Congress all at once (except those already on board) that whips up the same enthusiasm, volunteerism and money as Bernie's presidential campaign.

We're building on the tools, tactics and networks that we developed together on Bernie's campaign. But to pull this off, the volunteer movement will have to wield more power and resources than on any campaign before. This means volunteers on the ground will run their own offices and voter contact operations, and will have access to all necessary tools and materials from the start. Get ready for the most beautiful campaign ever.

I mean, godspeed and all that, but it might be good to have... achievable goals.

[Rufus]

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Christie

Will Wright donated a couple thousand to Giuliani last time.

[octopushover]

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makes sense

they share the same focus on destroying the community that made them what they are

[brob]

this is going to be my favorite shitposting angle in the election proper

[benjipwns]

"We've been hearing from supporters all over the country that they'd like a “woman card” of their very own — to display proudly on a fridge or pull out of their wallet every time they run into someone who says women who support Hillary must not be using our brains (that's a real thing Donald Trump’s senior adviser said yesterday)," Clinton's Women's Outreach Director Mini Timmaraju said in the email.

The card also bears the tagline "Deal me in," in reference to Clinton's response to Trump's attack Tuesday: "If fighting for women's health care and paid family leave and equal play is playing the 'woman card,' then deal me in!"

Though the cards don't hold any actual retail value, Timmaraju said, "Every dollar will make sure Donald Trump never becomes president."

[tiesto]

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Christie

Will Wright donated a couple thousand to Giuliani last time.

Not too surprising considering using Giuliani style policy works really well in Sim City.

[Human Snorenado]

Mandark trigger warning

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/29/opinion/if-not-trump-what.html

I don’t know what the new national story will be, but maybe it will be less individualistic and more redemptive. Maybe it will be a story about communities that heal those who suffer from addiction, broken homes, trauma, prison and loss, a story of those who triumph over the isolation, social instability and dislocation so common today.

We’ll probably need a new definition of masculinity, too. There are many groups in society who have lost an empire but not yet found a role. Men are the largest of those groups. The traditional masculine ideal isn’t working anymore. It leads to high dropout rates, high incarceration rates, low labor force participation rates. This is an economy that rewards emotional connection and verbal expressiveness. Everywhere you see men imprisoned by the old reticent, stoical ideal.

[Steve Contra]

Mandark trigger warning

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/29/opinion/if-not-trump-what.html

I don’t know what the new national story will be, but maybe it will be less individualistic and more redemptive. Maybe it will be a story about communities that heal those who suffer from addiction, broken homes, trauma, prison and loss, a story of those who triumph over the isolation, social instability and dislocation so common today.

We’ll probably need a new definition of masculinity, too. There are many groups in society who have lost an empire but not yet found a role. Men are the largest of those groups. The traditional masculine ideal isn’t working anymore. It leads to high dropout rates, high incarceration rates, low labor force participation rates. This is an economy that rewards emotional connection and verbal expressiveness. Everywhere you see men imprisoned by the old reticent, stoical ideal.

Brooks?  You motherfucker

[Human Snorenado]

 

[Brehvolution]

Is the title of this thread talking about the restaurant or the showers at Hastert's?

[I'm a Puppy!]

 

[Tasty]

Boston announces free community college tuition program

Best City doing Bernie's plans without any of the crackpot bank-breakage or massive tax increases.

[Trent Dole]

Boston also has a living wage higher than what HC wants to implement.

[Tasty]

Boston also has a living wage higher than what HC wants to implement.

Boston leading the nation once again.

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For the record, I think HRC's plan of $12 federal is way more flexible. Sure, in San Francisco $15 would be apt, but in Bumfuck, Kansas? No. The point of the Fed minimum is so the states can adjust theirs higher than that in ways that make the most sense for those constituents.

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[Madrun Badrun]

Isn't CC just an extension of highschool really?  Basically they are saying will let you waste another 2 years of your life for shit that we ought to have taught 2 years ago but now for free!

[Rufus]

Doesn't that count towards an undergrad degree? Saves a lot of money.

[Tasty]

Isn't CC just an extension of highschool really?  Basically they are saying will let you waste another 2 years of your life for shit that we ought to have taught 2 years ago but now for free!

Associate's degree is better than nothing and most of those credits transfer when you go for your Bachelor's.

So this potentially saves $15-30k+ in tuition.

[CatsCatsCats]

Yeah, a lot of associate programs are transfer degrees and the whole point is saving you a shit ton of money on two years of your bachelors

[Phoenix Dark]

Associate's degrees can be really good and save you lots of money. And get you a job in between. I graduated HS and got an Associates at the same time. Just wish I had picked a decent one instead of just getting one in general studies. Granted, it ensured I didn't have to take electives when I transferred to a university but still I wish I had gotten an accounting Associates.

[benjipwns]

Truth teller unbiased experts telling truth about Hillary's guaranteed defeat in the election:

CENK UYGUR: If you've got a dozen people investigating you, odds are they will indict you. I guess the last possible scenario is they indict her, and they say they are charging you with all these criminal actions, but then the pundits tell you it is no big deal...

Let's say there were a dozen FBI investigators looking into Bernie Sanders and they were going to indict him any day now...

If it was Donald Trump -- I mean look... They would have blown up over it...

But with Hillary Clinton: Shhh, not relevant, not relevant, not relevant. The establishment likes her.

Let me just give you two scenarios where it could be enormously relevant. If [FBI director] James Comey is actually a partisan Republican, and that's a big if, I don't know. And he wanted to do maximum damage to the Democrats. You know when he would announce the indictment? The last day of the Democratic convention.

Oof. So instead of getting the bounce from the convention... You would get hit with an indictment... Gigantically bad news taking the wind out of you. At this point, if you think that is not possible, either you are grossly ignorant, or you are lying...

Another terrible timing scenario: Right before the California primary why would that be damaging?

Did you know 80% of the votes in California are actually mail-in ballots?

So mail-in ballots Hillary does much better. Bernie Sanders does better the day of the election. So you indict her a couple of days before the Democratic primary in California. You'd have utter chaos. You'd have Bernie Sanders win enough delegates to make a case to the superdelegates that they should back him, but not enough to win outright where she is not the nominee. That would screw up the whole Democratic primary system, it would create chaos within the superdelegates and the convention, possibly blow up the convention as well. And then you have a wounded and hobbling Hillary Clinton coming out of the convention in disastrous shape. But the pundits say hear no evil...

I'm talking about the political reality of what will happen once these charges come in... The reality is there's a dozen FBI agents hot on her trail.

[Great Rumbler]

I generally like TYT, but they're been drinking way too much of the Bernie Juice lately.

[benjipwns]

*gasp*

 

*gasp* *gasp* *gasp* *gasp*

I'm glad I voted for Presumptive Democratic Nominee Rocky instead of throwing my vote away on The Herald of the Corporatocracy Galactus.

[benjipwns]

[benjipwns]

Javier Virgen13 hours ago
I kinda wish they all started to makeout after they all got covered in  cheetos.

pizzarelaguy5 hours ago
You sure showed Trump who's the stupid one

[benjipwns]

stolen from poligaf: https://medium.com/@GRForSanders/this-is-what-will-happen-at-the-democratic-convention-fe7328739c4

Bernie Sanders has vowed to fight relentlessly for the 2016 Democratic Party’s nomination up to the convention and, despite the apparent consensus of the media’s talking heads that the campaign is a lost cause, he has held fast to his claim that there is a “narrow path to victory.” I am reminded of Galadriel’s ominous words of advice, in the Fellowship of the Ring: The quest stands upon the edge of a knife — stray but a little, and it will fail…

she needs an additional 486 delegates to reach the magic number of 2,383, right? Let’s find out how many delegates Clinton would have to win in the remaining states (besides California, of course).

Of the 541 delegates left, once the 475 CA delegates have been subtracted from the 1,016 delegate total, Clinton is going to have to win almost 90% of the remaining non-California delegates!

Wow! Even if Clinton actually wins California with 60% to Sanders with 40%, she will still have to secure about 80% of the remaining vote! Again, this certainly doesn’t seem likely in Oregon, West Virginia, or Indiana, which means the actual percentage would climb each time she failed to take 80% of a state! Now, are you starting to see why I am saying that Clinton will not be securing the nomination before the convention?

First off, let’s acknowledge that the math seems to prohibit both candidates from securing the nomination before the convention — so what does this mean? This means that, since Sanders will not give up before the convention, there will almost certainly be a “contested convention.”

 the new magic number, for Sanders anyway, is actually 64.4% of the remaining states, which would mean winning 655 of the 1,016 remaining delegates, pushing his total up to 2,026, the bare majority of delegates, leaving Clinton one delegate behind at 2,025.

Now, does Sanders winning 64.4% sound too far-fetched? Not particularly, especially when we consider his advantages on the Left Coast, in California’s 475 delegate semi-open primary. An uphill climb, though? Certainly. Remember, though: it is all but certain that Clinton will not secure the nomination, while Sanders supporters are going to be pouring into Philadelphia for the convention by the tens of thousands. Even if Bernie fell short by a few points, we’re still essentially looking at a tie. And that’s when all hell is going to break loose.

Things are going to become very interesting when they look back at the many states that are still crying out for a re-vote, states fraught with “voting irregularities,” polling station closures, and voter roll purges — all states which Clinton won and all states which so far have not received justice.

Things are going to become very interesting when the DNC and the super-delegates realize that Sanders, unlike the Wallstreet-backed Clinton-Machine, will bring in not only millions of independent voters that were unable to vote in the primaries, but even defecting Republican votes, sealing the GOP’s utter defeat in November.

Things are going to become very interesting when, while they are thinking about all of these things, they are doing so to the earth-shaking, thunderous chants of “Sanders! Sanders!” from his tens of thousands of supporters outside, who have time-and-again proven their ability to rally by the tens of thousands — do you think that we won’t do the same at the convention?

And finally, things are going to become very, very interesting when the super-delegates and the DNC are forced to choose, publicly, whether to hand the nomination to Clinton and watch the millions of independents walk away, along with millions of former-democrat Sanders-supporters, basically handing the general election to the neo-fascists Trump or Cruz — or, to hand it to Sanders, a leader who will have the support, not only of the entire Democratic Party, but of millions of Independents, Green Party voters, and — yes, indeed — even Republicans defecting from the extremist GOP.

[Great Rumbler]

I am reminded of Galadriel’s ominous words of advice, in the Fellowship of the Ring: The quest stands upon the edge of a knife — stray but a little, and it will fail…

[Great Rumbler]

MJ posted what is probably the most on-the-point take down of Bernie so far:

With the Democratic primary basically over, I want to step back a bit and explain the big-picture reason that I never warmed up to Bernie Sanders. It's not so much that he's all that far to my left, nor that he's been pretty skimpy on details about all the programs he proposes. That's hardly uncommon in presidential campaigns. Rather, it's the fact that I think he's basically running a con, and one with the potential to cause distinct damage to the progressive cause.

I mean this as a provocation—but I also mean it. So if you're provoked, mission accomplished! Here's my argument.

Bernie's explanation for everything he wants to do—his theory of change, or theory of governing, take your pick—is that we need a revolution in this country. The rich own everything. Income inequality is skyrocketing. The middle class is stagnating. The finance industry is out of control. Washington, DC, is paralyzed.

But as Bill Scher points out, the revolution that Bernie called for didn't show up. In fact, it's worse than that: we were never going to get a revolution, and Bernie knew it all along. Think about it: has there ever been an economic revolution in the United States? Stretching things a bit, I can think of two:

The destruction of the Southern slave economy following the Civil War
The New Deal

The first of these was 50+ years in the making and, in the end, required a bloody, four-year war to bring to a conclusion. The second happened only after an utter collapse of the economy, with banks closing, businesses failing, wages plummeting, and unemployment at 25 percent. That's what it takes to bring about a revolution, or even something close to it.

We're light years away from that right now. Unemployment? Yes, 2 or 3 percent of the working-age population has dropped out of the labor force, but the headline unemployment rate is 5 percent. Wages? They've been stagnant since the turn of the century, but the average family still makes close to $70,000, more than nearly any other country in the world. Health care? Our system is a mess, but 90 percent of the country has insurance coverage. Dissatisfaction with the system? According to Gallup, even among those with incomes under $30,000, only 27 percent are dissatisfied with their personal lives.

Like it or not, you don't build a revolution on top of an economy like this. Period. If you want to get anything done, you're going to have to do it the old-fashioned way: through the slow boring of hard wood.

Why do I care about this? Because if you want to make a difference in this country, you need to be prepared for a very long, very frustrating slog. You have to buy off interest groups, compromise your ideals, and settle for half loaves—all the things that Bernie disdains as part of the corrupt mainstream establishment. In place of this he promises his followers we can get everything we want via a revolution that's never going to happen. And when that revolution inevitably fails, where do all his impressionable young followers go? Do they join up with the corrupt establishment and commit themselves to the slow boring of hard wood? Or do they give up?

I don't know, but my fear is that some of them will do the latter. And that's a damn shame. They've been conned by a guy who should know better, the same way dieters get conned by late-night miracle diets. When it doesn't work, they throw in the towel.

Most likely Bernie will have no lasting effect, and his followers will scatter in the usual way, with some doubling down on practical politics and others leaving for different callings. But there's a decent chance that Bernie's failure will result in a net increase of cynicism about politics, and that's the last thing we need. I hate the idea that we might lose even a few talented future leaders because they fell for Bernie's spiel and then got discouraged when it didn't pan out.

I'll grant that my pitch—and Hillary's and Barack Obama's—isn't very inspiring. Work your fingers to the bone for 30 years and you might get one or two significant pieces of legislation passed. Obviously you need inspiration too. But if you don't want your followers to give up in disgust, your inspiration needs to be in the service of goals that are at least attainable. By offering a chimera instead, Bernie has done the progressive movement no favors.

tl;dr version:

we were never going to get a revolution, and Bernie knew it all along.

Absent a revolution, which, likely to happen or not, hasn't materialized and definitely won't in the next few months, Bernie Sanders has virtually no chance of winning the nomination and even less chance of actually enacting any of the legislation that he's promised. He was even asked earlier about campaigning for down-ballot Dems and his answer was basically "Maybe. We'll see." Even his most ardent supporters are saying, at this point, that his best chance for success are persuading a small handful of overly-influential people [i.e. the superdelegates] that he's more electable than Hillary or that Hillary's campaign becomes too toxic because of an FBI indictment and he's the only viable solution. Neither of which has anything to do with actual votes by the people. That's not a path to victory that's going to lead to anything meaningful post-election.

[Tasty]

Truth teller unbiased experts telling truth about Hillary's guaranteed defeat in the election:

CENK UYGUR: If you've got a dozen people investigating you, odds are they will indict you. I guess the last possible scenario is they indict her, and they say they are charging you with all these criminal actions, but then the pundits tell you it is no big deal...

Let's say there were a dozen FBI investigators looking into Bernie Sanders and they were going to indict him any day now...

If it was Donald Trump -- I mean look... They would have blown up over it...

But with Hillary Clinton: Shhh, not relevant, not relevant, not relevant. The establishment likes her.

Let me just give you two scenarios where it could be enormously relevant. If [FBI director] James Comey is actually a partisan Republican, and that's a big if, I don't know. And he wanted to do maximum damage to the Democrats. You know when he would announce the indictment? The last day of the Democratic convention.

Oof. So instead of getting the bounce from the convention... You would get hit with an indictment... Gigantically bad news taking the wind out of you. At this point, if you think that is not possible, either you are grossly ignorant, or you are lying...

Another terrible timing scenario: Right before the California primary why would that be damaging?

Did you know 80% of the votes in California are actually mail-in ballots?

So mail-in ballots Hillary does much better. Bernie Sanders does better the day of the election. So you indict her a couple of days before the Democratic primary in California. You'd have utter chaos. You'd have Bernie Sanders win enough delegates to make a case to the superdelegates that they should back him, but not enough to win outright where she is not the nominee. That would screw up the whole Democratic primary system, it would create chaos within the superdelegates and the convention, possibly blow up the convention as well. And then you have a wounded and hobbling Hillary Clinton coming out of the convention in disastrous shape. But the pundits say hear no evil...

I'm talking about the political reality of what will happen once these charges come in... The reality is there's a dozen FBI agents hot on her trail.

[brawndolicious]

There is a remote chance that Clinton gets Nixoned. It's probably going to affect who she picks as VP since Trump will be portraying them as the next Gerald Ford.

[Great Rumbler]

I just don't see it, really. This whole email thing seems, to me at least, to be little more than a push-and-pull between State and the FBI, specifically with how they handle and disseminate potentially sensitive information. So, why this long investigation if there's not really anything criminal there? Well, politics is partially responsible, as usual, where the FBI has to cover all their bases to ensure that their independence from the White House remains relatively unquestioned, but also to say "Hey, State, you did some things/are doing some things that we aren't particularly pleased with, and when you do that you can expect us to bring out the microscopes."

I view it similarly to the GOP making noise about impeaching Obama for this or that. So, why haven't they when they clearly want to? Because there's not really a crime, it's a push-and-pull between two different branches of government, especially in areas where the division of powers isn't clearly laid out. Those are matters for a court to sift through and then make a determination about whether those actions can continue, not a case for impeachment.

[Madrun Badrun]

I honestly don't mind the FBI looking into shit like this.  That's their job and its great that it's actually done.  However treating this like see did the crime just because their is an investigation is stupid (though in general I'm more of the opinion where there is smoke their is fire when it comes to politician so this might just be my biases here).  The senate hearings though are nothing but political theater and the GOP has lost any credibility in such things, which is really bad in general. 

I really hate the hypocrisy of being for less encryption and privacy in general (Going by half hearted comments like these http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/7/11176346/hillary-clinton-apple-fbi-data-encryption) and then having her own server.  I also think that doing that was just old-person stupid, which I don't like seeing in a politician, and one who is otherwise pretty smart about stupid shit like this. 

[Tasty]

stolen from poligaf: https://medium.com/@GRForSanders/this-is-what-will-happen-at-the-democratic-convention-fe7328739c4

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she needs an additional 486 delegates to reach the magic number of 2,383, right? Let’s find out how many delegates Clinton would have to win in the remaining states (besides California, of course).

Of the 541 delegates left, once the 475 CA delegates have been subtracted from the 1,016 delegate total, Clinton is going to have to win almost 90% of the remaining non-California delegates!

Wow! Even if Clinton actually wins California with 60% to Sanders with 40%, she will still have to secure about 80% of the remaining vote! Again, this certainly doesn’t seem likely in Oregon, West Virginia, or Indiana, which means the actual percentage would climb each time she failed to take 80% of a state! Now, are you starting to see why I am saying that Clinton will not be securing the nomination before the convention?

 the new magic number, for Sanders anyway, is actually 64.4% of the remaining states, which would mean winning 655 of the 1,016 remaining delegates, pushing his total up to 2,026, the bare majority of delegates, leaving Clinton one delegate behind at 2,025.

Now, does Sanders winning 64.4% sound too far-fetched? Not particularly, especially when we consider his advantages on the Left Coast, in California’s 475 delegate semi-open primary. An uphill climb, though? Certainly. Remember, though: it is all but certain that Clinton will not secure the nomination, while Sanders supporters are going to be pouring into Philadelphia for the convention by the tens of thousands. Even if Bernie fell short by a few points, we’re still essentially looking at a tie. And that’s when all hell is going to break loose.

[Tasty]

HOLY SHIT

[Atramental]

Wow.

The reddit circle jerk part. 

[Trent Dole]

Yeah, he's not winning, but I'm still voting for him in my state's primary.

[benjipwns]

There is a remote chance that Clinton gets Nixoned. It's probably going to affect who she picks as VP since Trump will be portraying them as the next Gerald Ford.

Even worse, the next Spiro Agnew.

[benjipwns]

But if he had that power, and if he was a secret Republican plant to control the Justice Department for GOP ends, and IF he wanted to hurt the Democrats in the election and IF he sent Hillary to jail, THEN clearly the superdelegates should all switch to Bernie just to prevent it before it can happen. Also Bernie polls better in head-to-heads.

"He has the power to wipe out the entire [Democratic Party], and if we believe there's even a one percent chance that he is our enemy we have to take it as an absolute certainty... and we have to destroy [Hillary]." - Bruce Wayne, Batman v Superman

[benjipwns]

 

[Joe Molotov]

But if he had that power, and if he was a secret Republican plant to control the Justice Department for GOP ends, and IF he wanted to hurt the Democrats in the election and IF he sent Hillary to jail, THEN clearly the superdelegates should all switch to Bernie just to prevent it before it can happen. Also Bernie polls better in head-to-heads.

"He has the power to wipe out the entire [Democratic Party], and if we believe there's even a one percent chance that he is our enemy we have to take it as an absolute certainty... and we have to destroy [Hillary]." - Bruce Wayne, Batman v Superman

OMG, spoilers for the Democratic Convention! Some of us are still getting caught up on the debates, asshole.

[Great Rumbler]

YAAAAAAASSSS KING 

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/republican-voters-are-the-ones-rejecting-you-chuck-todd-gets-heated-with-cruz-over-trump/

Ted Cruz just had another meltdown this morning.

[Phoenix Dark]

I don't think I've ever seen Cruz look personable or semi-likable. Even when he interacts with his wife or kids in public it looks awkward as fuck. Obviously I'd prefer Trump being the nominee so he can burn down the GOP brand for a generation but part of me wants Cruz to win just so we can see him awkwardly campaigning everywhere, making people cringe.

He reminds me of the type of vindictive assholes I knew when I played basketball at a baptist private school. Awkward, sexually frustrated, ugly, and obsessed with winning every argument.

[Joe Molotov]

[Oblivion]

I'd be a hundred times more satisfied at Cruz getting beaten by Hillary than Trump.

But the fear of Cruz somehow actually winning the election keeps me from fully supporting that matchup.

[Oblivion]

[brawndolicious]

I just don't see it, really. This whole email thing seems, to me at least, to be little more than a push-and-pull between State and the FBI, specifically with how they handle and disseminate potentially sensitive information. So, why this long investigation if there's not really anything criminal there? Well, politics is partially responsible, as usual, where the FBI has to cover all their bases to ensure that their independence from the White House remains relatively unquestioned, but also to say "Hey, State, you did some things/are doing some things that we aren't particularly pleased with, and when you do that you can expect us to bring out the microscopes."

I view it similarly to the GOP making noise about impeaching Obama for this or that. So, why haven't they when they clearly want to? Because there's not really a crime, it's a push-and-pull between two different branches of government, especially in areas where the division of powers isn't clearly laid out. Those are matters for a court to sift through and then make a determination about whether those actions can continue, not a case for impeachment.

I don't think anyone cares or anything really illegal happened. But her running mate can't have a moment when he stutters or can't confidently answer questions when Trump, his veep, or Fiorina (lol) try to grill them in a debate or in the news.

Biden would be a fine choice.

[Oblivion]

[Madrun Badrun]

'We can't continue to allow China to rape our country, and that's what we're doing'

jesus

[I'm a Puppy!]

Said the former CEO of HP.