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« Reply #16740 on: May 29, 2016, 01:29:36 PM »
Isn't she a resident evil character?
Now that you say it...
If she had short hair that would be indistinguishable from Ada Wong cosplay.

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« Reply #16741 on: May 29, 2016, 02:16:25 PM »
Looks like Sanders has a legit scandal (and not in the wishy-washy email way.)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1225138
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/education/2014/08/15/financial-questions-dog-burlington-college/14117505/
https://www.reddit.com/r/enoughsandersspam/comments/4litt1/lawyers_representing_church_that_lost_2_million/d3nocil

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The Synopsis: Jane Sanders was president of Burlington College in Burlington, Vermont some time ago and decided to purchase a local church property for the school. This purchase required a $10 million loan. The school didn't make nearly enough to pay it back, so the school went under and the church took a $2 million loss. Jane lost her position at the college and was given a $200,000 severance package.

The lawyers representing the church just sent this letter to Bernie Sanders claiming there is no way that Jane would have been able to get the loan on her own and that he improperly used his influence as a United States Senator to affect the decision making of the bank by having his office contact them. That's illegal. Now the lawyers are calling on Sanders to release all documents related to the loan, his wife's severance, and any communications he had with the bank. This is backed by the Freedom of Information Act.

Trump vs. Sanders debate when?



More and more stuff like this will come up the longer Bernie stays in the race. It's why the claims he's more "electable" than Hillary are farcical - he had appeared more electable because nobody bothered to vet him until now. Dude should have dropped out a month ago, now he'll have this event define his entire campaign for all of history.

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« Reply #16743 on: May 29, 2016, 02:27:32 PM »
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Gary Johnson 518 56.0%
Austin Petersen 203 21.9%
John McAfee 131 14.2%
Darryl Perry 52 5.6%
Marc Allen Feldman 18 1.9%
Others 3 0.3%
statist slaver scum take over another party nomination

One thing not a surprise because Wyoh and I pushed it through during time we still amounted to something in government: a brass cannon on a pedestal in middle of Old Dome and over it a flag fluttering in blower breeze--black field speckled with stars, bar sinister in blood, a proud and jaunty brass cannon embroidered over all, and below it our motto: TANSTAAFL! That's where we hold our Fourth-of-July celebrations.

You get only what you pay for--Prof knew and paid, gaily.

But Prof underrated yammerheads. They never adopted any of his ideas. Seems to be a deep instinct in human beings for making everything compulsory that isn't forbidden. Prof got fascinated by possibilities for shaping future that lay in a big, smart computer--and lost track of things closer home.

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But now I wonder. Are food riots too high a price to pay to let people be? I don't know.

Don't know any answers.

Wish I could ask Mike.

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« Reply #16744 on: May 29, 2016, 02:35:56 PM »
Mexicans, will just hire Mongolians to deal with that wall.
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« Reply #16745 on: May 29, 2016, 02:39:23 PM »
I like that she's wearing a telnyashka. All those anti-commie types secretly lust after AK-47s and leaders who get shit done like Koba-kun.

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« Reply #16746 on: May 29, 2016, 05:14:10 PM »


 :ohhh Checkmate statism.
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« Reply #16749 on: May 29, 2016, 07:06:27 PM »
The Internal Revenue Service released their tax statistics for 2013 corporate tax returns this week. (Well I got the email about it this week.) Some highlights for your viewing pleasure.

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Of the 5.9 million active corporations for Tax Year 2013, approximately 4.3 million were passthrough entities. These entities include RICs, REITs and S corporations [1]. Passthrough entities pay little or no Federal income tax at the corporate level. By law, they are required to pass any profits or losses to their shareholders, where they are taxed at the individual rate.

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About 819,000 non-passthrough corporations reported net income for 2013. Of these, 61 percent [so 499,590 corporations in total -ed.] had a tax liability, compared to 14 percent of all corporations with net income.

Much like the estate tax being an irrelevance for most of America, the corporate income tax is similarly a nonfactor, despite the constant squawking about it in Washington or from policy wonks who think the tax code is an appropriate vehicle for economic development.

Regarding the shift to pass-through entities, bear in mind that tax generated by such income can be reduced by the patchwork of welfare for the well-to-do found on individual income tax returns that would be laughed at if anyone tried to take them as a business deduction on a C corporation tax return. (For example, the home mortgage interest deduction, property taxes paid on secondary homes or property--yes, I said secondary--et cetera.)
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« Reply #16750 on: May 29, 2016, 11:19:17 PM »


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« Reply #16752 on: May 30, 2016, 07:59:40 AM »
Much like the estate tax being an irrelevance for most of America, the corporate income tax is similarly a nonfactor, despite the constant squawking about it in Washington or from policy wonks who think the tax code is an appropriate vehicle for economic development.

Regarding the shift to pass-through entities, bear in mind that tax generated by such income can be reduced by the patchwork of welfare for the well-to-do found on individual income tax returns that would be laughed at if anyone tried to take them as a business deduction on a C corporation tax return. (For example, the home mortgage interest deduction, property taxes paid on secondary homes or property--yes, I said secondary--et cetera.)

that's not unique to the u.s, i like to tell new grads who've joined the corporate tax dept that ct will disappear soon and be entirely supplanted by indirect tax soon


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« Reply #16754 on: May 30, 2016, 08:24:11 AM »
wow that's embarrassing. 

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« Reply #16755 on: May 30, 2016, 12:01:59 PM »
wow that's embarrassing.

There's probably no better way to sum up libertarianism in 3 words, tbh
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« Reply #16756 on: May 30, 2016, 01:43:26 PM »
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Over the Memorial Day Weekend, Bill Kristol doubled down on his betrayal of this country with a pair of tweets:

“Just a heads up over this holiday weekend: There will be an independent candidate — an impressive one, with a strong team and a real chance,” Kristol tweeted.

He also said, “Those accused of betraying GOP by opposing Trump can take heart from P. Henry 251 years ago today: ‘If this be treason, make the most of it!’”

This fatuous invocation of an American patriot to justify the betrayal typifies the arrogant disregard for political realities shared by all those involved in a defection that could produce even greater disasters than the Obama era’s 400,000 deaths by jihad and 20 million refugees across the Middle East.
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The Democrats reversal — and betrayal of our men and women in arms — was triggered by a presidential primary in which a left-wing candidate, Howard Dean, was running away with the Democratic nomination. This betrayal prevented us from pursuing Saddam’s generals and chemical weapons into Syria, and bringing Assad to heel. Bush managed to rescue the war effort and defeat al-Qaeda on the battlefield through the “surge” that Democrats opposed. But then, Obama took charge and implemented the Democrats’ America-is-guilty platform of appeasement and retreat, creating a power vacuum in Iraq and Syria that ISIS quickly filled. At the same time, the Democrats have systematically taken down our military which is now at its lowest levels since World War II.

This is the issue that defines the coming election. A party in denial about the Muslim holy war against America and its allies, whose basic instinct is to weaken America’s defenses and enable her enemies, is opposed by a party that wants to rebuild America’s strength, secure our borders, and put the safety of our people first.

The Kristol attack on the Republican Party and its presumptive candidate Donald Trump is an attack on all Americans and needs to be seen in that light.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/05/30/horowitz-kristol-betrayal-gets-serious/

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« Reply #16757 on: May 30, 2016, 02:08:11 PM »
Time to call the general election, ole' Donny has got this wrapped up already...
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"We have to win, and I want my energy to be put into the states where it could go either way," Trump said at a rally here on Thursday evening. "And we're going to play heavy, as an example, in California. Now no other Republican -- they wouldn't even go to dinner in California. They wouldn't do it."
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So which states will Trump target? California. Ohio, where he plans to spend a lot of money. Michigan. New York, his home state which was once represented by Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton in the U.S. Senate. Florida, where he owns several golf resorts and a private club where he often lives. And Virginia, which is also home to a Trump golf course.
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This bears repeating, Donald Trump is going to try to turn California red, he plans to spend significant resources in California (38% Hispanic) so he can win it. I guess he knows what he's doing.

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« Reply #16758 on: May 30, 2016, 03:31:14 PM »
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Bush managed to rescue the war effort and defeat al-Qaeda

Bush kept us safe.  :lawd
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« Reply #16759 on: May 30, 2016, 07:28:00 PM »
JOEMENTIUM! :neogaf
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The United States of Argentina?
JUN 06, 2016 | By WILLIAM KRISTOL
 
People keep saying how unusual this year’s presidential race is. They're wrong. It's an absolutely normal Third World election.

We have three candidates still standing: a self-righteous socialist who's learned nothing in 50 years except how to rally the economically illiterate and uninformed; an heir to wealth who's done nothing impressive in 50 years except to hone his skills as a self-promoter and demagogue; and an insider who's climbed the greasy pole alongside her husband, enriching herself and her family through 50 years of "public service." Welcome to the United States of Argentina.

What is to be done?

Resist. Resist the decline of America. Resist an Argentinian future. Resistance can mean lots of things over the next few years. But in the here and now, resistance means finding a serious and credible independent candidate.

Thus David French of National Review wrote eloquently this week urging Mitt Romney to take up the gauntlet. French points out that "at this moment, American voters face a choice between two historically corrupt, dishonest, and incompetent politicians. .  .  . Given the stakes of the election, to simply leave the race to Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump is to guarantee a terrible presidency marked by incompetence and cronyism." And so, "There is just hope—however slim—of avoiding this national disaster: America needs a third option."

It would be great if Romney chose to run to provide that third option. It would be great if former vice-presidential candidates Joe Lieberman or Paul Ryan, or former cabinet officials like Mitch Daniels or Condoleezza Rice, or former presidential hopefuls like Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush, or current governors like Nikki Haley or Susana Martinez chose to run. They would all start from positions of relative strength.

But even as polls show an amazing level of public receptivity to such an independent effort, even as Donald Trump makes his unfitness for office more manifest every time he speaks, even as Hillary Clinton's unfitness for office is made more obvious by a report from the Obama administration's State Department inspector general, even as all this happens .  .  . major public figures may choose not to run.

Yet the fact of Trump's and Clinton's unfitness for the Oval Office has become so self-evident that it's no longer clear one needs a famous figure to provide an alternative.

So the alternative to Trump and Clinton could be a not-terribly-well-known but capable congressman like Mike Pompeo or Adam Kinzinger. It could be a respected former senator like Judd Gregg or Mel Martinez. Or the leader of the resistance could turn out to be someone who hasn't yet held elective office.

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« Reply #16760 on: May 30, 2016, 08:10:57 PM »
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So the alternative to Trump and Clinton could be a not-terribly-well-known but capable congressman like Mike Pompeo or Adam Kinzinger. It could be a respected former senator like Judd Gregg or Mel Martinez. Or the leader of the resistance could turn out to be someone who hasn't yet held elective office.

"Why, it could even be...you."
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« Reply #16761 on: May 30, 2016, 08:13:17 PM »
finally globalism (read: chinese manufacturing) brings third-worldism to the first  :chinacry

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« Reply #16762 on: May 30, 2016, 08:14:52 PM »
Best part might be that Mel Martinez isn't even a natural born citizen. Came to the US from Cuba in 1962 at age 16.

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« Reply #16763 on: May 30, 2016, 08:28:40 PM »
Migrant turbo-patriots. Gotta prove yourself, I guess.

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« Reply #16764 on: May 30, 2016, 08:40:40 PM »
scarface is such a overused reference point for origin stories  ::)

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« Reply #16765 on: June 01, 2016, 01:20:01 AM »


The next 4 years are going to be amazing.

(note the guy who I saw this from is an "actor" whose biggest role was a minor character in a video game that came out last gen. I think he lives in an RV somewhere in Venice)
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« Reply #16766 on: June 01, 2016, 08:37:30 AM »
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Two Republicans intimately familiar with Bill Kristol’s efforts to recruit an independent presidential candidate to challenge Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton have told Bloomberg Politics that the person Kristol has in mind is David French
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French is a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. According to the website of National Review, where French is a staff writer, he is a constitutional lawyer, a recipient of the Bronze Star, and an author of several books who lives in Columbia, Tennessee, with his wife, Nancy, and three children.

Reached in Israel late Tuesday afternoon, Kristol declined to comment on his efforts to induce French to run. The two Republicans confirmed that French is open to launching a bid but that he has not made a final decision.
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« Reply #16767 on: June 01, 2016, 08:39:58 AM »
RUSH LIMBAUGH (HOST): This woman obviously has not read Genesis, and even if she did it wouldn't have any impact on her. But human beings travel all over the world to gawk at animals precisely because they're unusual, they're interesting, some are cute, some are deadly. There's no way human beings are going to not be interested in animals. Gawking at them. Out on safari, hunting them or what -- By the way, you know there's another factor in this, Snerdley? A lot of people think that all of us used to be apes. Don't doubt me on this. A lot of people think that all of us used to be gorillas. And they're looking for the missing link out there. The evolution crowd. They think we were originally apes. I've always -- if we were the original apes, then how come Harambe is still an ape, and how come he didn't become one of us? "Well, that's why were looking for the missing link, Mr. Limbaugh, your question is absurd."

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So Harambe's child is now without a father. One of the many unfortunate aspects of this. So another busted gorilla home. At the Cincinnati Zoo. And you know what happens to them.
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« Reply #16768 on: June 01, 2016, 10:32:44 AM »
If evolution is real, how come we still got broken gorilla homes?
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« Reply #16769 on: June 01, 2016, 01:14:41 PM »
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Two Republicans intimately familiar with Bill Kristol’s efforts to recruit an independent presidential candidate to challenge Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton have told Bloomberg Politics that the person Kristol has in mind is David French
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French is a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. According to the website of National Review, where French is a staff writer, he is a constitutional lawyer, a recipient of the Bronze Star, and an author of several books who lives in Columbia, Tennessee, with his wife, Nancy, and three children.

Reached in Israel late Tuesday afternoon, Kristol declined to comment on his efforts to induce French to run. The two Republicans confirmed that French is open to launching a bid but that he has not made a final decision.
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A French President in the United States? I don't think so, Mister!
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« Reply #16770 on: June 02, 2016, 02:24:07 AM »
So I read this:

http://www.stirjournal.com/2016/04/01/i-know-why-poor-whites-chant-trump-trump-trump/

last night and went through 3 thoughts on it.

First third: "this is pretty interesting and there's a lot of stuff that makes sense that I feel no one talks about".

Second third: "this is getting a little conspiratorial by mentioning how everyone who tried to reverse the course got assasinated..."

Last paragraph: "Oh it is another Bernie puff piece"
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« Reply #16771 on: June 02, 2016, 02:51:10 AM »
that's not unique to the u.s, i like to tell new grads who've joined the corporate tax dept that ct will disappear soon and be entirely supplanted by indirect tax soon

Do you mean de facto or de jure? As a source of revenue (de facto) I agree, as a tool of policy (de jure) I don't. Politicians don't make a habit of surrendering their powers. (No benji.)

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« Reply #16772 on: June 02, 2016, 02:56:55 AM »
Kara, how broke is Donald Trump? Have you seen his taxes? Is it all smoke and mirrors and repackaged steaks? The people need to know.
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« Reply #16773 on: June 02, 2016, 03:15:03 AM »
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By August of last year, I was working to convince major donors that Trump would be a destructive force and likely throw the race to Hillary Clinton. One moment from that period sticks with me as a turning point in my thinking about Trump’s money; a major Wall Street donor laughed when I told him we’d need to mount a serious and fully-funded effort to take on Trump if he chose to self fund.

My friend scoffed at the very idea that Trump was worth even a quarter of the mythical $10 billion, much less that he was liquid to the tune of more than $200 million. “He’s not a billionaire. I’m a billionaire. He’s a clown living on credit.”
http://heatst.com/politics/donald-trumps-money-is-a-myth-will-he-bankrupt-the-rnc-too/?mod=sm_tw_post

They've made a huge mistake.
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« Reply #16774 on: June 02, 2016, 01:02:38 PM »


With all those damn TAX DOLLARS we keep pouring into NASA, you think they could upgrade to Space Fios or some shit so we could get those pictures downloaded and posted to Space Facebook faster. Could you at least pause your Space Torrents for like 2 seconds ffs?
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« Reply #16775 on: June 02, 2016, 01:07:55 PM »
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By August of last year, I was working to convince major donors that Trump would be a destructive force and likely throw the race to Hillary Clinton. One moment from that period sticks with me as a turning point in my thinking about Trump’s money; a major Wall Street donor laughed when I told him we’d need to mount a serious and fully-funded effort to take on Trump if he chose to self fund.

My friend scoffed at the very idea that Trump was worth even a quarter of the mythical $10 billion, much less that he was liquid to the tune of more than $200 million. “He’s not a billionaire. I’m a billionaire. He’s a clown living on credit.”
http://heatst.com/politics/donald-trumps-money-is-a-myth-will-he-bankrupt-the-rnc-too/?mod=sm_tw_post

They've made a huge mistake.

Saw an article yesterday where Mark Cuban was clowning on Trump for being a debt-rich millionaire. :neogaf
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« Reply #16776 on: June 02, 2016, 01:23:42 PM »
Is that even news ? Trump is a masterful illusionist, and not just with easily-impressed Joe Six Pack. I'm sure he'll extract and divert as much as he can from the RNC, massage his ego and come out a little richer out of it even if he get stuffed in the election.
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« Reply #16777 on: June 02, 2016, 01:32:03 PM »
So I read this:

http://www.stirjournal.com/2016/04/01/i-know-why-poor-whites-chant-trump-trump-trump/

last night and went through 3 thoughts on it.

First third: "this is pretty interesting and there's a lot of stuff that makes sense that I feel no one talks about".

Second third: "this is getting a little conspiratorial by mentioning how everyone who tried to reverse the course got assasinated..."

Last paragraph: "Oh it is another Bernie puff piece"
That has a lot of words, and doesn't directly mention anyone running.
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« Reply #16778 on: June 02, 2016, 06:04:45 PM »
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that google font
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The odd part about the subliminal marketing here will backfire when, rather than voters simply feeling at ease with Sue Googe, instead a large swath of her constituency decides to sue Google.

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« Reply #16779 on: June 02, 2016, 06:04:49 PM »
Kara, how broke is Donald Trump? Have you seen his taxes? Is it all smoke and mirrors and repackaged steaks? The people need to know.

A tax return is the product* of a dialectic between two forces: what the taxpayer wants it to say and what the relevant tax authorities demand that it say. Nothing more and nothing less.

That tax returns are now being held up as some meaningful measure of personal wealth or income due to our nascent Eternal President of the Republic refusing to share them with the public is either the product of the fact that the overwhelming majority of Americans are unable to participate in the tax return dialectic** and accordingly think things about tax returns that aren't true, or our political class--ever concerned with perpetuating an image of legitimacy for our system to ensure its continued existence--throwing a temper tantrum that someone would dare say that the emperor has no clothes when asked for his sartorial opinion. I can't decide. If you want to know his true wealth, subpoena his estate planners (who no doubt will exert privilege). If you want to know his true annual income, well, there's no shortcut to that one I'm afraid.

Construction is (in my experience) an industry where debt is extremely necessary for a litany of reasons that would not interest this thread so absent evidence to contrary the "hurr hurr debt billionaire" accusation comes off as something people who don't look at financial statements 340 days a year*** would say. (hmu when you work in a field where retention is a common practice and you don't require revolving credit.) Adding to that, we literally just had a Republican presidential candidate whose professional background involved leveraged buyouts so who the fuck are you even trying to kid here.

*synthesis :ussrcry

**Living in some state of hand to mouth, most Americans cannot afford to defer income or delay receipt of it so as to launder it from income taxed one way to income that's taxed another way because legal inequality is OK if you have noble utilitarian aims predicted on specious economic arguments.

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« Reply #16780 on: June 02, 2016, 06:44:27 PM »


Wow! Sad! So much for the lieberal fantasy of Great Speaker Obama saving the day for Corrupt Hillary. okie doke

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« Reply #16781 on: June 02, 2016, 09:22:42 PM »
http://boingboing.net/2016/06/02/in-1977-the-cias-top-lawyer.html

Not sure if this is the right thread, and I'm no longer convinced BOINGboing is the bastion of Liberal Truth that I once thought it to be, but: It's weird that Obama's administration has invoked this more times than theoretically more secretive administrations have.

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« Reply #16782 on: June 02, 2016, 09:36:20 PM »
i don't see anything weird in that article. idk what "theoretically more secretive administrations" mean tho given the general escalation in secrecy from The Man since forever (no one is ever going to make FOIA requests easier u kno? ratchet or not)

anyway, obama is on his way out and the proper liberal response is to start seeing how he can be made into kindling for the next liberal hope so u shouldn't tear boing boing off their bastion for this imo.
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« Reply #16783 on: June 03, 2016, 12:55:11 AM »
Violence outside a Trump rally, sounds like anarchists and whatnot.

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« Reply #16784 on: June 03, 2016, 07:02:00 AM »
I hope these people realize that violent protests only galvanize, rally, and strengthen the base.  In other words, Trump picked up more voters last night.

Edit: Wow, didn't know it got so bad: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/protesters-assault-trump-supporters-eggs-bottles-punches-after-rally
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« Reply #16785 on: June 03, 2016, 08:45:51 AM »
:violin

Drumpf haters is southern Cali? What would make them so upset?
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« Reply #16786 on: June 03, 2016, 01:47:08 PM »
I hope these people realize that violent protests only galvanize, rally, and strengthen the base.  In other words, Trump picked up more voters last night.

Edit: Wow, didn't know it got so bad: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/protesters-assault-trump-supporters-eggs-bottles-punches-after-rally







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« Reply #16787 on: June 03, 2016, 06:18:31 PM »
And there's a picture of some Trump supporters pepper spraying protestors, not sure from which event.

Also Trump is doubling down on the idea that the judge in the Trump U case should recuse himself cause he's not white.

Remember how the 47% comment from Romney was his biggest gaffe/scandal of the campaign?  How far down would that rank for Trump?  Dude had a racist-ass butler who called for Obama to be killed and that didn't even get a full news cycle.  It's fuckery overload.

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« Reply #16788 on: June 03, 2016, 06:30:02 PM »

grats on the shout out AiA




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« Reply #16789 on: June 03, 2016, 06:40:06 PM »
Beat me to posting that AND to the inevitable punchline.  Godammit.

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« Reply #16790 on: June 03, 2016, 07:32:49 PM »
http://boingboing.net/2016/06/02/in-1977-the-cias-top-lawyer.html

Not sure if this is the right thread, and I'm no longer convinced BOINGboing is the bastion of Liberal Truth that I once thought it to be, but: It's weird that Obama's administration has invoked this more times than theoretically more secretive administrations have.

If the post I made in the Panama Papers thread contributed to that, don't let it. It's almost impossible to accurately report on the subject (by its clandestine nature). The tax periodical I would recommend to people costs around $2,000 a year and even it is extremely shallow in its writing.

As for the story itself, times have changed and the reach of whistleblowers is much greater than it once was (to say nothing of the scale of government surveillance states putting more people in a position where they feel the need to blow whistles). There's also the fact that at least it's being used in debates about public order now instead of to prosecute political dissidents.

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« Reply #16791 on: June 03, 2016, 07:40:28 PM »
that's not unique to the u.s, i like to tell new grads who've joined the corporate tax dept that ct will disappear soon and be entirely supplanted by indirect tax soon

Do you mean de facto or de jure? As a source of revenue (de facto) I agree, as a tool of policy (de jure) I don't. Politicians don't make a habit of surrendering their powers. (No benji.)
in the uk, honestly i see both happening - i think our ct rate is being cut to 17% soon meanwhile you can see all of the eu and many other countries figuring out how to create nexus in their jurisdictions without businesses having physical presence (especially since the beps report last year) for vat/gst purposes, our gov. keeps stealth increasing ipt as well and i see the base rate coming inline with our vat standard rate

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« Reply #16792 on: June 03, 2016, 08:28:31 PM »
man the "protests" are just embarrassing
throwing eggs at people and shit
imagine if this were the other way around
pathetic

for the record I don't like Trump but sometimes the left-bias is just too much nahmean
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« Reply #16793 on: June 05, 2016, 05:46:39 PM »

jesus...
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« Reply #16794 on: June 06, 2016, 07:02:42 AM »
The Dream is Dead:
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I’m Not Running for President

by DAVID FRENCH   

I’m not the right person to challenge Trump and Hillary, but the path remains open for others.

Here is a sentence I never thought I’d type: After days of prayer, reflection, and serious study of the possibilities, I am not going to run as an independent candidate for president of the United States.

I gave it serious thought — as a pretty darn obscure lawyer, writer, and veteran — only because we live in historic times. Never before have both parties failed so spectacularly, producing two dishonest, deceitful candidates who should be disqualified from running for town council, much less leader of the free world.

Hillary Clinton lies habitually and changes position on virtually every public issue except for her pro-abortion extremism, and she has a suspicious record of making public decisions that favor donors to the Clinton Foundation. Her signal foreign-policy “achievement” was helping launch a war in Libya that not only cost American lives in Benghazi but also helped transform the nation into ISIS’s latest playpen.

To add to all that, she’s in the middle of an active FBI investigation. If I had handled classified information the way we know she handled classified information, my career would already be over, and the single goal of my life would be persuading the prosecutor to reach a lenient plea bargain.

Donald Trump also lies habitually (sometimes minute by minute), and changes position based on his moods. In one breath he claims to support working men and women, and then with the next breath he threatens to destroy our economy through trade wars or by playing games with the full faith and credit of the United States. He believes an American judge — a man born in Indiana who spent months hiding from drug cartels after they’d put a “hit” on him – can’t rule on a case involving Trump University because the judge’s parents emigrated from Mexico.

His supporters believe it demonstrates “strength” when he mocks the disabled and bullies women. He has attracted an online racist following that viciously attacks his opponents and their families — including my wife and youngest daughter.

Given this reality, it would be tempting to say that when it comes to confronting this national moment, “somebody” stepping up is better than nobody. But somebody is not always better than nobody. I’m on record saying that Mitt Romney could win. I believe others could run and win, and would make excellent presidents. Indeed, the path is there. I spent the last several days with some of the best minds in politics.

I learned that the ballot-access challenge can be met with modest effort (by an existing network ready to activate), that the polling for a true outsider independent was better than most people know, and that there are many, many Americans — including outstanding political talents — who are willing to quit their jobs — today — to help provide the American people with an alternative.
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I believe with all my heart that there is an American movement ready to both resist the corruption, decadence, and dishonesty of the American elite and restore the promise of the American Dream. But that movement may not emerge for some time, and it might emerge only after further heartache and pain.

Let me also say that each person involved in the effort to recruit an independent candidate is a patriot. They are standing strong on principle when the GOP leadership — in lockstep — now marches to Trump’s beat. I admired them before this process began, and I admire them more even now.

And the fight is not over. Men such as my friend and colleague, Boston filmmaker and philanthropist John Kingston, stand ready to continue the effort — with substantial resources behind them. But we live in a time when patriots are mocked and demagogues celebrated. Even good men have reduced themselves to excusing the inexcusable and defending the indefensible.
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To those who prayed for me and my family, I’m grateful beyond words. To those who defended my wife and kids from vicious attacks — engaging in a fight you didn’t seek — I’m forever in your debt. To those I’ve disappointed, I’m sorry. It is your devotion and integrity that help keep America great, and I believe you will ultimately prevail.

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« Reply #16795 on: June 06, 2016, 10:25:23 AM »
let's start a pool for what network on which bernie will inevitably become a pundit
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until he gets too senile even to wag his finger
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« Reply #16796 on: June 06, 2016, 10:32:59 AM »
let's start a pool for what network on which bernie will inevitably become a pundit
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« Reply #16798 on: June 06, 2016, 01:29:41 PM »
let's start a pool for what network on which bernie will inevitably become a pundit
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Eh, was Dean a pundit after his failed run? They're very much the same imo. Renegadeish seemingly hyper left Vermonters.
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« Reply #16799 on: June 06, 2016, 03:42:43 PM »
Sanders ending up a health care lobbyist like Dean would be p funny