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[Am_I_Anonymous]

You actually gonna celebrate Trump winning, breh?

Nah but secretly watching all these international experts who have never left their state for more than a week or two muttering excuses will be a personal W.

Remember I called the Cavs. So doubt me now, really

[Am_I_Anonymous]

And honestly even if Hillary wins she will never be Obama or her Husband. Whom both I respect. She's in this for all the wrong reasons. At least Trump(I guess like me) is honest about the quest for self glory. 

So I can either tell you exactly how I feel or I can play lollipops and ensure you that your idea is fantastic.

I dunno I grew up with a man who was always honest in his opinions.



Know this;

If I don't like you, you'll be the first to know it.

If I like you and I say I'll pick you up at 6am, I'll be there at 5:30.

There. As much human as I'll do this year.

[Phoenix Dark]

Can someone explain the "Hillary is the most qualified person to EVER run for president" mantra? How exactly is she more qualified than HW Bush for instance, who was VP for 8 years, director of the CIA, a congressman, and an ambassador? Or Eisenhower?

Of course there's the argument that no one is truly qualified to be president considering that no job carries close to the same weight or power. Who was truly eligible to be "Commander-in-Chief" outside of Eisenhower, Grant, etc?

[Madrun Badrun]

What did HWB successfully cover up?  Nothing.  What is the one thing that would stop you from being president having been elected?  Not successfully covering up stuff, a la shameful Dick.

[Joe Molotov]

What did HWB successfully cover up?  Nothing.  What is the one thing that would stop you from being president having been elected?  Not successfully covering up stuff, a la shameful Dick.

Iran-Contra

[Mandark]

Can someone explain the "Hillary is the most qualified person to EVER run for president" mantra? How exactly is she more qualified than HW Bush for instance, who was VP for 8 years, director of the CIA, a congressman, and an ambassador? Or Eisenhower?

I take your point, but of all the people to bring up... Ike?

[Syph]

Can someone explain the "Hillary is the most qualified person to EVER run for president" mantra? How exactly is she more qualified than HW Bush for instance, who was VP for 8 years, director of the CIA, a congressman, and an ambassador? Or Eisenhower?

Of course there's the argument that no one is truly qualified to be president considering that no job carries close to the same weight or power. Who was truly eligible to be "Commander-in-Chief" outside of Eisenhower, Grant, etc?

stop being sexist!1!!1!!

[curly]

Bloomberg makes me want to vomit. Does anyone even like him at this point?

[Boogie]

Bloomberg makes me want to vomit. Does anyone even like him at this point?

Thought he nailed his speech actually.   Burned the Donald pretty good.

[TakingBackSunday]

Kaine is so white bread. Zzzzzz

[Mandark]

I didn't realize young Tim Kaine was that hot.

[TakingBackSunday]

Kaine's trump stuff was greeat

[Madrun Badrun]

Can someone explain the "Hillary is the most qualified person to EVER run for president" mantra? How exactly is she more qualified than HW Bush for instance, who was VP for 8 years, director of the CIA, a congressman, and an ambassador? Or Eisenhower?

I take your point, but of all the people to bring up... Ike?

If you think there is any presidential criteron better than killing Nazi's, I'd like to hear it. 

[Great Rumbler]

DIAMOND JOE

[TakingBackSunday]

Why can't I vote for Obama again

[Madrun Badrun]

You basically are. 

[Mandark]

Biden can't go telling people not to applaud right before breaking out the Malarky, c'mon.

[Great Rumbler]

DNC - All three previous Democratic Presidents still alive either speaking on stage or by video in support of the current candidate

RNC - Both previous Republican Presidents still alive stayed home because they can't stand the current candidate

[Boogie]

That speech, gawdammn.

[TakingBackSunday]

God bless that man.

[Phoenix Dark]

I'll wait for AiA's take.

[TakingBackSunday]

Old man is asleep, but it'll basically be:

Y'all stupid liberals fell for rhetoric again 

Trust me.  Obama isn't gonna help with SHIT on this election because y'all chose a self-serving biatch.  Go back to your echo chambers, you destitute never-gonna-bes

[curly]

Too coherent to be him

[TakingBackSunday]

Too coherent to be him

->

Lol keep staying mad.  Shows how much education you have.  Liberal idiot.

[Phoenix Dark]

Good speech. Another classic from Barry O.


Democrats chanting USA, advocating American exceptionalism, and discussing faith.


Did we see a re-alignment brehs. Trump is doing long term damage to the GOP.

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

Good speech. Another classic from Barry O.


Democrats chanting USA, advocating American exceptionalism, and discussing faith.


Did we see a re-alignment brehs. Trump is doing long term damage to the GOP.

I won't even begin to believe that until the tallies are back from 2018. Every time the GOP looks down, they come back like a horror movie villain, stronger then ever. The freakout over Obama could make the inevitable one over Hilary look restrained and civil for all we know.

[Kara]

Can someone explain the "Hillary is the most qualified person to EVER run for president" mantra? How exactly is she more qualified than HW Bush for instance, who was VP for 8 years, director of the CIA, a congressman, and an ambassador?

You live in a place where, in the not so distant past, an individual penned a New York Times bestseller whose title and contents recalled Thomas Paine's Common Sense--a political writing in which the words "No nation ought to be without a [national] debt." are written without the slightest hint of insincerity--as part of an allegedly anti-tax political movement that was as much a LARP of dubious historical-sartorial accuracy as it was another misbegotten entry in the 20 some odd year long horror movie known as the American Body Politic with no particular repercussion whatsoever, yet you are bemused that your fellow Americans continue to display a tenuous, possibly (probably) nonexistent grasp of their own oft-lauded history? I don't want to be a dick but...

[Cerveza mas fina]

Hillary is so thoroughly unlikeable, Michelle on the other hand...

[Let's Cyber]

DNC - All three previous Democratic Presidents still alive either speaking on stage or by video in support of the current candidate

RNC - Both previous Republican Presidents still alive stayed home because they can't stand the current candidate

I don't ususally buy into the rah-rah nature of the conventions but it did feel special to see such a united front on the Democratic side the last few days.  Especially after the Dana White/Scott Baio/Trump's friends and children shitshow last week.

[benjipwns]

What did HWB successfully cover up?  Nothing.  What is the one thing that would stop you from being president having been elected?  Not successfully covering up stuff, a la shameful Dick.

Iran-Contra

Also, the JFK Assassination and the Bay of Pigs through his phony oil company.

Not to mention: http://www.theonion.com/issue/3734/

I think all those recent low numbers just show how worthless conventions are in today's age.  In the era of 'The Big 3' networks their reach was immeasurable, now they are just targets for the opposition to tear down.

I think it's finally sunk in as well to the general public that they aren't anything more than partisan pep-rallies since 1988-ish. That's why we've had the media salivating over the last month over WHAT WOULD THE NEVERTRUMPERS AND SANDERS PEOPLE DO?!?!? And then covered booing with BREAKING NEWS chryons. You would have died from alcohol poisoning if you drank every time somebody in the media mentioned the Anti-TPP signs at the DNC the last three nights.

IIRC the ratings the last few years, people just watch the Presidential candidate, and maybe the VP if they're getting hype/are unknown like Palin was.

Speaking of things I'm probably remembering wrong, didn't the headline speeches used to be way earlier? I felt like Bush and Kerry gave theirs at like 9:30 or something, the talking heads could do their thing and still get out in time for the 11 o'clock local news. Not starting at 10:45 stretching towards midnight like Trump/Obama/Sanders/etc. have done.

This is probably something I could just look up.

[benjipwns]

This isn't 1982 please make a more correct assumption. No reason to piss off Russia here.

Oh really last I checked we are partnering on a moon mission. Goddamnit your fucking liberals don't know shit about the real world but what is spoon fed to you.

Grow up.

I see somebody has their DNC talking points down.

“Two decades after the end of the cold war, Mitt Romney still considers Russia to be America’s ‘No. 1 geopolitical foe.’ His comments display either a shocking lack of knowledge about international affairs or just craven politics. Either way, they are reckless and unworthy of a major presidential contender.”—editorial, New York Times, March 29, 2012

“And [Romney’s] unscripted moments have not inspired confidence: calling Russia America’s greatest foe, for example.”—editorial, Washington Post, Oct. 25, 2012

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[Momo]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1253853 are you guy's buying this campaign to sweep all these factual emails under the rug under the cover of 'RUSSIA DID IT'?

[benjipwns]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-democrats-well-deserved-wikileaks-blowback/2016/07/27/ab15766c-5402-11e6-b7de-dfe509430c39_story.html

Over at the CIA and the National Security Agency headquarters, they must be really enjoying watching Democrats in Philadelphia squirm over WikiLeaks’s exposure of tens of thousands of internal Democratic Party emails. There’s a word for what is happening in the intelligence community:

Blowback.

Throughout the entirety of the Obama administration, nothing was done as WikiLeaks damaged our national security with its serial leaks of highly classified intelligence documents.

When in 2015 WikiLeaks released documents revealing that the U.S. government was spying on its allies, including listening in on the phone calls of three French presidents — nothing was done.

When in 2016 WikiLeaks published secret details of European Union military operations to intercept refugee boats traveling to Europe from the regions along the Libyan coast infested with terrorists from the Islamic State, nothing was done.

When in 2016 WikiLeaks exposed top-secret documents describing NSA intercepts of foreign government communications — including a private climate-change strategy meeting between United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin — nothing was done.

But WikiLeaks has finally crossed a “red line” (pun intended) that has earned it the Democrats’ outrage. Instead of targeting the CIA or the NSA, WikiLeaks has gone after an organization Democrats actually care about — the Democratic National Committee.

Democrats have no one to blame but themselves for this debacle. As I pointed out in The Post on August 2010, there were many steps the Obama administration could have taken to stop WikiLeaks. It could have indicted Assange and his fellow WikiLeaks staffers and made clear that the United States will not tolerate any country — particularly NATO allies — providing them with a haven. They could have sought their extradition and — if the countries where they were hiding refused to cooperate — used existing Justice Department authorities to arrest them anywhere in the world, with or without those countries’ consent. They could have used the assets of U.S. Cyber Command to carry out cyberattacks on WikiLeaks servers to disrupt its ability to disseminate classified information that puts lives at risk.

Now Democrats are paying the price for Obama’s inaction. And WikiLeaks promises there is more to come. In an interview with CNN this week, Assange said he might soon release “a lot more material.” That should have Democrats terrified.

Apparently, exposing intelligence sources and methods has not mattered enough for the Obama administration to do something about WikiLeaks. Maybe saving Hillary Clinton from further embarrassment, or worse, will finally spur them to action.

Marc Thiessen

[benjipwns]

And he promised to join the party and be a Democrat from now on! Walrus was right all along!

Bernie Sanders said he plans to return to the Senate as an independent, despite winning 13 million votes in the Democratic Party’s presidential primary contest.

“I was elected as an independent; I’ll stay two years more as an independent,” Mr. Sanders said.

Speaking at the Bloomberg Politics breakfast on Tuesday, Mr. Sanders also said the resignation of Debbie Wasserman Schultz as chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee doesn’t go far enough in fixing the situation and that more staff members need to leave following embarrassing disclosures of thousands of internal emails.

“We need a DNC which has as very different direction,” he said. “I honestly don’t know many of the people there. But my guess is we’re going to need new leadership, a new direction and new personnel.”

[Brehvolution]

http://www.syracuse.com/celebrity-news/index.ssf/2016/07/bradley_cooper_dnc_american_sniper_republican.html

 

[benjipwns]

Jacquelyn Gray @JacquelynMGray
SPOILER: Bradley Cooper isn't Chris Kyle. Just like Mark Ruffalo doesn't really grow to nine feet and turn green when he gets angry.

Are we sure?

"When I was a young actor, if you came to my apartment, you would have seen pictures and photos hung in the most bizarre places, where they were covering holes in the wall from auditions that I didn't get or slights that I felt I had suffered where things were thrown cups were thrown at the walls."

But the actor added: "I'm no stranger to that kind of anger and rage, but over time, I've [become] like a rock that's spent many times being tumbled around in the sea, I’ve sort of gotten the edges polished off of me. I'm not fighting the same fights that I was back then, the same demons."

[Tasty]

That feeling when Obama hits you up

[benjipwns]

Typical online male messaging opening line: "hey"

He clearly has an ulterior motive, wants something from you. And he'll probably talk shit about you if you say no. Ghost him, it's the only way to make sure you're not drone struck.

[Brehvolution]

[Phoenix Dark]

Can someone explain the "Hillary is the most qualified person to EVER run for president" mantra? How exactly is she more qualified than HW Bush for instance, who was VP for 8 years, director of the CIA, a congressman, and an ambassador?

You live in a place where, in the not so distant past, an individual penned a New York Times bestseller whose title and contents recalled Thomas Paine's Common Sense--a political writing in which the words "No nation ought to be without a [national] debt." are written without the slightest hint of insincerity--as part of an allegedly anti-tax political movement that was as much a LARP of dubious historical-sartorial accuracy as it was another misbegotten entry in the 20 some odd year long horror movie known as the American Body Politic with no particular repercussion whatsoever, yet you are bemused that your fellow Americans continue to display a tenuous, possibly (probably) nonexistent grasp of their own oft-lauded history? I don't want to be a dick but...

Not the general public. This is coming from the Hillary campaign and democrats in general as a talking point. Yea I shouldn't take talking points seriously but it still seems so transparent and weak.

Mandark: I included Eisenhower due to his experience as a Supreme Allied Commander. That type of executive experience seems to prepare someone for the responsibility and power of being president more than most things. Didn't prepare him for domestic policy of course, and his presidency reflected that.

[Tasty]

Typical online male messaging opening line: "hey"

He clearly has an ulterior motive, wants something from you. And he'll probably talk shit about you if you say no. Ghost him, it's the only way to make sure you're not drone struck.

I had to read between the lines but I think he wants me to pay for sex with him. I have to "donate" to Hillary to get some.

I'm in.

[Steve Contra]

One of my distant, very conservative, relations was drunk last night messaging me about Obama.  Guy is 67 and retired

[Steve Contra]

https://twitter.com/DanaSchwartzzz/status/758351185078263808

WHAT. THE. FUCK.

[Phoenix Dark]

One of my distant, very conservative, relations was drunk last night messaging me about Obama.  Guy is 67 and retired

what did he say

[Steve Contra]

One of my distant, very conservative, relations was drunk last night messaging me about Obama.  Guy is 67 and retired

what did he say

A lot of swearing and talking about "your President".  It was 11:30 where he is.  i'm debating whether or not to tell my Dad, who's his cousin.

[Brehvolution]

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/758469749508562945

[Joe Molotov]

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/758469749508562945

Joe Biden made The Onion great again. 

[benjipwns]

He's not saying anything really, like Mitt Romney never paid any taxes, just that he heard and maybe you know, it's just something out there.

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is advising intelligence officials that if they end up giving GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump classified briefings during the campaign, they should just fake it and make sure not to divulge anything important.

“How would the CIA and the other intelligence agencies brief this guy? How could they do that? I would suggest to the intelligence agencies, if you’re forced to brief this guy, don’t tell him anything, just fake it, because this man is dangerous,” Reid said in an interview with The Huffington Post Wednesday afternoon. “Fake it, pretend you’re doing a briefing, but you can’t give the guy any information.”

“This guy, he’s part of a foreign power,” Reid continued. “We knew he liked Putin before this, but this is quite ridiculous.”

“I think Watergate was something that people understood. It was wrong, morally wrong, for the president of the United States to be involved in such trivia,” he said. “What Trump is talking about is much worse than Watergate. Absolutely.”

Perhaps Trump, Reid suggested, could find out how extensive the damage is.

“I guess the only way we can find out is perhaps Donald can call Putin and say, ‘what else do you have?’” Reid said.

“We know there are connections between Putin and Trump. How do we know that? He said so. And I’ve never heard Putin deny it. In fact, he has done just the opposite.”

Editor’s note: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims ― 1.6 billion members of an entire religion ― from entering the U.S.

Pierre Trombert
that make 2, first Tom Cotton with Iran, now Her Trump with Russia, keep going we will have to build a very long wall the the many more Republicans talking that way; it's going to be a very, very long and beautiful wall, the best wall you have never seen for traitors.

[Brehvolution]

"Can you imagine what the GOP would say if Hillary rolled up to the convention with 5 kids from 3 different dudes?"

[Tasty]

[Phoenix Dark]

"Can you imagine what the GOP would say if Hillary rolled up to the convention with 5 kids from 3 different dudes?"

Or Obama

[Take My Breh Away]

[Tasty]

Hillary was +1 in the new Ras poll, which could portend a nice convention bounce.

I also liked seeing Toomey losing in the Suffolk poll.

But AiA said she wouldn't get a convention bump

Are you telling me he was wrong?

[Tasty]

(Image removed from quote.)

The real tragedy is that Trump's comment has more upvotes.

This fucken country

[Atramental]

Speaking as someone who works in advertising, Trump understands that most Americans have the attention span of a gnat. Hence why he's so effective with his pithy phrases.

[Joe Molotov]

Win or lose, I think we have to consider "Make America Great Again" to be one of the most effective campaign slogans ever.


We're such plebs.   

[CatsCatsCats]

Trump is nothing if not a talented bullshiter

[benjipwns]

Hillary was +1 in the new Ras poll, which could portend a nice convention bounce.

I also liked seeing Toomey losing in the Suffolk poll.

But AiA said she wouldn't get a convention bump

Are you telling me he was wrong?

VOX EXPLAINER: HOW TO INTERPRET ANY RASMUSSEN POLLS SHOWING A HILLARY LEAD (They count, unlike the ones for the past month showing Trump leads. And all the other polls in the last week that have shown Trump leads.)

[benjipwns]

Win or lose, I think we have to consider "Make America Great Again" to be one of the most effective campaign slogans ever.

We're such plebs.   

Lose? Ronaldus Magnus doesn't lose.

[benjipwns]

Time to back up that bus over the body *beep beep beep*: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/dnc-debbie-wasserman-schultz-226352

Debbie Wasserman Schultz wasn’t supposed to ask Joe Biden to come to her daughter’s bat mitzvah.

Democratic National Committee staff had sent the chair to the vice president armed with four specific requests for getting him involved in raising money for the party.

She decided to scrap them for two of her own.

First, she asked Biden to do a fundraiser for her own reelection to her House seat in Florida in the primary challenge she’s facing next month. He agreed.

The second was to get down to Boca Raton for the bat mitzvah.

Biden’s staff balked. They offered to tape a video message from him instead, hoping that would satisfy her.

Wasserman Schultz eagerly said yes. They played it for everyone who came.

The meeting with Biden was symptomatic of the way the DNC was veering off the rails just as the presidential election was heating up. More than a dozen people inside the party apparatus, speaking in the wake of Wasserman Schultz’s resignation on Sunday, describe an internal culture in which few felt they could challenge an increasingly imperious and politically tone-deaf chair who often put her own interests ahead of party functions.

Wasserman Schultz battled to the end. But the dysfunction within the DNC had been mounting for months, according to interviews with over a dozen people in and around the organization. Wasserman Schultz’s detractors extend from party officials to the White House to the Clinton campaign — even though she was widely viewed as favoring Clinton. And many of them say they worry that the email drama has obscured the full picture of went wrong on Wasserman Schultz’s watch, which they worry won’t be fixed unless there’s a more complete airing.

“This [WikiLeaks release] didn’t peel back all the layers of the onion of incompetence,” said one person inside the DNC. “But it broke the fever.”

Neither the White House nor Clinton’s campaign made the moves to oust her earlier for fear of an untimely blowup. Her support of the Iran deal and the Trans-Pacific Partnership helped keep the West Wing from going too hard at her. But senior aides to Clinton and President Barack Obama had long ago run out of patience with what they saw as her attempts to constantly insert herself and clumsily try to ingratiate herself at Clinton’s Brooklyn headquarters.

Wasserman Schultz refused, without direct explanation at the time, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s request to have three members of Congress testify at the first party platform committee meeting in early June, leading Pelosi to clear her schedule that day and show up herself to speak about House Democratic priorities.

When Obama agreed to do a DNC fundraiser in Miami in June — and in the end, went out of his way in his public remarks to talk about why Wasserman Schultz needed to be reelected — she for weeks hassled White House political director David Simas to get 10 of the 60 seats (which went for $10,000 each) at the event for her congressional reelection campaign’s biggest donors. She ended up filling the seats, according to people involved with planning the event, with family and friends.

A decision about how much money to transfer to state parties that was supposed to be made in consultation with DNC officers was made unilaterally by Wasserman Schultz, and without warning, angering top brass.

The other DNC officers, directly aware of many of the problems and told by staff about others, were constantly talking to one another about what was going wrong and how to get around a chair who was adamant that she would stay through the end of her term in January.

“In the last eight weeks, there was a growing sense that it just wasn’t going to work, and it was only a matter of time,” one officer said.

Frustration within the DNC, the White House and the Clinton campaign was exacerbated by Wasserman Schultz’s efforts to raise her own profile by appearing more often on national television.

“The biggest problem with the communications department right now is that we don’t put Debbie out there enough,” Miranda said at his first staff meeting after coming on board in September, according to people in the room.

More and more, the DNC staff, the White House and the Clinton campaign simply wrote her off.

“There was nothing we could do with her, so we just stopped pretending,” another DNC staffer said. “She became so ineffective for the building that we just stopped using her.”

Meanwhile, Wasserman Schultz accentuated an existing divide with Amy Dacey, who as committee CEO was supposed to have control over all operations. She was often left out of the loop of decisions by the chair’s staff, sometimes leading to contradictory plans.

“One hand didn’t know what the other hand was doing,” lamented one state party chair.

After Clinton won the nomination in June, her campaign moved quickly to try to take control of the DNC. But when Brandon Davis, former political director of the Service Employees International Union, was brought in to the DNC by Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook to be the campaign’s eyes and ears in the party office, Wasserman Schultz made comments both in introducing him to the full staff and in private conversations encouraging people to see him as working for her.

She hasn’t seen DNC staffers since she stopped by their meeting of shaken staff Sunday night, within hours of Obama calling her to accept her resignation.

“And all those scumbags who are giving you shit on social media,” she concluded, according to several attendees, “f--- them, they don’t know the first thing. They don’t know you.”