US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE

[studyguy]

Did Paul Ryan and crew just fall off the face of the earth?
I haven't heard shit from anyone who isn't breitbart tier crazy in a goooood minute...
That man must be living in a bunker.

[Great Rumbler]

 

[Phoenix Dark]

whewwwwww

[I'm a Puppy!]

It's just like the bore told me about being rape-proof.

[Madrun Badrun]

Just got to get more fit, maybe start a fitness club for likeminded men

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[benjipwns]

Q12 Would you support or opposing building a wall
along the Atlantic Ocean to keep Muslims from
entering the country from the Middle East?
Support 18% ...........................................................
Oppose 69% ...........................................................
Not sure 13%

[Great Rumbler]

[bluemax]

Good thing Bernie got that revolution ball rolling! Oh wait...

[Mandark]

Good thing Bernie got that revolution ball rolling! Oh wait...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/debbie-wasserman-schultz-wins-primary_us_57c48b00e4b09cd22d91f144

Was reading this earlier, about how Sanders didn't give Canova a ton of support and how the tax structure of Our Revolution hampers them coordinating with campaigns.  When Sanders announced the thing, he mentioned some Congressional candidates he supported, but not Canova.

But Canova was running really aggressively against the Iran deal (it's a very Jewish CD), so I really don't have any problem with Sanders quietly backing away from that race.

[Brehvolution]

Did Paul Ryan and crew just fall off the face of the earth?
I haven't heard shit from anyone who isn't breitbart tier crazy in a goooood minute...
That man must be living in a bunker.

He's been busy fellating Tim Cook:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-taxpayers-would-be-poorer-if-eu-wins-apple-tax-case-white-house-spokesman-says-2016-08-30

“Slamming a company with a giant tax bill — years after the fact — sends exactly the wrong message to job creators on both sides of the Atlantic,” Ryan said.

[ToxicAdam]

Q12 Would you support or opposing building a wall
along the Atlantic Ocean to keep Muslims from
entering the country from the Middle East?
Support 18% ...........................................................
Oppose 69% ...........................................................
Not sure 13%

You know somewhere down the line (once they break down the demographics) there is going to be a story where ' 44% of Republicans in South Carolina support building a wall around the Atlantic.'

[benjipwns]

For most of the crosstabs it's actually fairly close to the general results. There's a 15-20% of people of all demographic alignments that like the idea. 19% of women support the Atlantic Wall (65% opposed vs.  17% of men, 72% opposed) and 19% of hispanics and 10% of blacks. (20% of whites.)

31% of Trump supporters support the idea but that may include wall enthusiasts who are drawn to Trump because he's the only clear pro-walls politician since East Germany collapsed.

29% of people 18-29 support such a wall, only 53% opposed. Their net favorability of the idea is actually the same as Trump supporters. Even though they're 52-22-6-8 for Hillary-Trump-Johnson-Stein and 63-24 for Hillary-Trump.

[Great Rumbler]

Donald Trump will travel to Mexico City on Wednesday for a meeting with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, just hours before he delivers a high-stakes speech in Arizona to clarify his views on immigration policy.

OMG seriously?!

[Boogie]

Why the fuck would EPN agree to take that meeting at this point in time?

[benjipwns]

He knows what's in Hillary's e-mails regarding Fast and Furious.

[VomKriege]

Why the fuck would EPN agree to take that meeting at this point in time?

He extended the invitation to both candidates. It's not in Mexico best interest to burn bridges with a potential future Republican administration or to appear they are "taking sides". The latter would probably further incense the hostility of Trump's voters.

[CatsCatsCats]

Or the drug cartels forced him to do it so they could take out trump 

[Joe Molotov]

BUILD. THAT. WALL.

[Phoenix Dark]

So Trump will be attending services at Greater Faith Ministries in Detroit on Sunday. This is the prosperity/healing megachurch that my grandma bought multiple gallons of "healing water" from, and ended up hurting herself while trying to carry one to her house.


They also threw her walking cane in a big ass garbage can after healing her legs. Needless to say she had to buy a new cane a couple days later.


I shit you not.

[Joe Molotov]

Why the fuck would EPN agree to take that meeting at this point in time?

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[Boogie]

Why the fuck would EPN agree to take that meeting at this point in time?

He extended the invitation to both candidates. It's not in Mexico best interest to burn bridges with a potential future Republican administration or to appear they are "taking sides". The latter would probably further incense the hostility of Trump's voters.

Yes, but the proper way in this election situation, in my opinion, to not burn bridges or incense anyone is just to keep your damn heads down and stay out of the way.

  That way:

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...you don't end up looking like a bunch of idiots, like so.

[VomKriege]

Oh boy, Trump gonna have a rowdy trip then !

[Great Rumbler]

So Trump will be attending services at Greater Faith Ministries in Detroit on Sunday. This is the prosperity/healing megachurch that my grandma bought multiple gallons of "healing water" from, and ended up hurting herself while trying to carry one to her house.

Apparently, he's not even going to address the congragation, just do a private interview with the pastor to be distributed later.

[Phoenix Dark]

Trump said he didn't discuss Mexico paying for the wall with the Mexican president. What a cuck. 

[Madrun Badrun]

[VomKriege]

Trump said he didn't discuss Mexico paying for the wall with the Mexican president. What a cuck. 

He also used a much more conciliatory "keep manufacturing wealth in our hemisphere". Wasn't he the one boycotting Oreos because Nabisco moved part of the jobs to Mexico ?

[benjipwns]

Wasn't he the one boycotting Oreos because Nabisco moved part of the jobs to Mexico ?

wow shots fired out of nowhere at obama

[benjipwns]

 







Benghazi a WRY SHORTHAND?!?

[VomKriege]

And... once he set a foot back on US soil, Trump reaffirmed that he will deport all illegals, build a wall paid by Mexico. Pivoting at 360° !
Why even bother going the other side of the Rio Grande then ?

 

EDIT : Oh God

MAKE MEXICO GREAT AGAIN ALSO

 

[VomKriege]

Assange 

[Joe Molotov]

And... once he set a foot back on US soil, Trump reaffirmed that he will deport all illegals, build a wall paid by Mexico. Pivoting at 360° !
Why even bother going the other side of the Rio Grande then ?

 

EDIT : Oh God

MAKE MEXICO GREAT AGAIN ALSO

 

[Great Rumbler]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/08/julian-assange-american-press-supports-demon-hillary-clinton-227597

she's so demonic, friends

Be a supporter of free and open government while being a stooge for Putin, brehs.

[VomKriege]

Since I'm roasting Gaffers on their views about overseas military expeditions it's only fair I provide a link to something more sensible. This article do sum up quite nicely the problem of a power assuming absolute "primacy" in world affairs.

http://warontherocks.com/2016/08/no-more-of-the-same-the-problem-with-primacy/

[TakingBackSunday]

I was at the airport last night waiting in the terminal when the Trump immigration speech was going on.  I've never been so frustrated and angry at a TV, the man is a disgusting pile of shit.

[Mandark]

Since I'm roasting Gaffers on their views about overseas military expeditions it's only fair I provide a link to something more sensible. This article do sum up quite nicely the problem of a power assuming absolute "primacy" in world affairs.

http://warontherocks.com/2016/08/no-more-of-the-same-the-problem-with-primacy/

Yo, you can't be bragging about "roasting" people online then linking to something this dumb.

Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Michael Mullen warned that debts and deficits represent threats to not just our fiscal health but our national security as well. Although military spending is not the primary driver of the nation’s massive and unprecedented fiscal imbalance, primacy’s high costs undermine our economic security.

[VomKriege]

Not a brag, man, quite the contrary. Just saying might as well get my neck out at the risk of being burnt myself (which happened even quicker than I thought  )

I'm not really interested in the debt being a national threat argument, it sounds dumb. I don't think it's the key argument in the article nor in general though which I am not limiting to the USA, but really to the Western interventionism ideology. I don't think it's useless to discuss if that strategy is not doing more harm than good and if military force is not abused to fix things it is not meant to.

[bdoughty]

I was at the airport last night waiting in the terminal when the Trump immigration speech was going on.  I've never been so frustrated and angry at a TV, the man is a disgusting pile of shit.

Giant douche and a turd sandwich. I have nobody to vote for this election.

[jakefromstatefarm]

If I had a dime for every time I've heard someone apply the south park scool of political science to justify being a lazy, dollar store cynic...

[benjipwns]

Everyone seems to forget the punchline/plot of the episode. Stan eventually comes back and votes to much town/school celebration.

And then the school goes back to the old mascot anyway.

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Making it arguably an even more appropriately cynical episode.

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[Mandark]

[benjipwns]

http://theresurgent.com/the-tea-party-is-dead-good-riddance/

The damage became immense as the Republican establishment struck back. Groups like the Senate Conservatives Fund and Club For Growth were getting blamed for awful candidates running for office who they not only did not fund, but never actually supported and actively tried to dissuade from running.

As this confluence of malevolence, incompetence, and distrust built energy, the tea party began to fracture. Many of its members decided the only way to win was to adopt the tactics of the left. Unfortunately, they defined those tactics as behaving like thugs and jackasses. The left won, they thought, by being nasty. So they would be nasty too. The face of grassroots conservatism became a face of anger.

When conservatives stepped forward to promote the idea of the happy warrior, the angry activists accused them of surrender and compromise. Eventually, conservatives began stepping back and the angry grew more suspicious of anyone and everyone within a few degrees of Washington, D.C. All the while, the ever more corporatist Republican establishment played on and off these divisions, smearing legitimate conservative organizations as profiteers while continually breaking promises.

When Jeb Bush entered the Presidential race, the angry and suspicious became the angry and paranoid. They rallied to Donald Trump, not so much because they agreed with him, but because they were desperate. They had become convinced there was no hope, 2016 could mean the end of America, and they must take drastic measures to turn the tide. Drastic measures meant Trump. The conservatives, like Paul, Rubio and Cruz, could not be trusted because they were of Washington. That they had opposed Washington to varying degrees made no difference. The angry and paranoid concluded they were infected by establishmentarianism.

This all finally came to a head on Tuesday night. The angry and paranoid put forward Kelli Ward in Arizona, who believed in chem trails, and Carlos Beruff in Florida. Both reflected the bleak black hearts of the remains of a movement no longer driven by shared believe in limited government and instead driven by crazy town. Both were defeated and deservedly so. A tea party movement that stopped listening to sound advice and turned inward and tribal needed to lose.

After Trump’s loss in November, the angry-paranoid remnant of the tea party movement will not go away. It will still fester and troll. But those who developed the discernment to realize our ways are not the left’s ways and we do not have to proceed as they proceed will be the ones to help pick up the pieces. The others will, for the most part, be ignored.

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by Erick Erickson

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[bluemax]

#TacoTrucksOnEveryCorner

(Has he been to Los Angeles?)

[Human Snorenado]

The real shock in all of this is that Garrison Keillor is still alive. Thanks a lot, 2016.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-donald-trump-losing-garrison-keillor-20160831-story.html

[Syph]

[benjipwns]

Guitarist/vocalist and arch Republican Lee Atwater, along with a star-studded list of soul artists, ignite on 13 blue chip live performances of great R&B songs. Chuck Jackson, Carla Thomas, B.B. King, Isaac Hayes, Sam Moore, and gospel singer Bobby Jones contribute vocals; and Michael Toles, the Memphis Horns, ex-Motown bassist Bob Babbitt and Billy Preston, the music. This pleasing set is set off by Chuck Jackson and Sam Moore's scathing rendition of "Hold On I'm Coming"; Isaac Hayes' "I'm in the Mood"; B.B. King's guitar and vocal licks on "Red, Hot & Blue" and "Buzz Me"; and Jackson and Carla Thomas' fiery version of "Rescue Me."

[El Babua]

Everyone seems to forget the punchline/plot of the episode. Stan eventually comes back and votes to much town/school celebration.

And then the school goes back to the old mascot anyway.

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Making it arguably an even more appropriately cynical episode.

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It also had people fucking animals and creating grotesque hybrids. Don't know how people can forget about that!

[benjipwns]

Uh. Wow. Can you take your bigotry elsewhere? A politics thread is supposed to be a safe space.

[Mandark]

Remember when Jonah Goldberg was trying to make "South Park conservatism" a thing?

That's an apt description of the alt-right, whose preferred candidate won the nomination over the objections of Goldberg's magazine.

Life comes at you fast.

[benjipwns]

Was Andrew Sullivan (in 2001?!?) apparently. NRO was doing the "Crunchy Cons" thing which was always funny. CONSERVATIVES CAN SHOP AT WHOLE FOODS AND FEEL OKAY ABOUT IT.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/we%E2%80%99re-not-losing-culture-wars-anymore-12482.html

Andrew Sullivan dubs the fans of all this cable-nurtured satire “South Park Republicans”—people who “believe we need a hard-ass foreign policy and are extremely skeptical of political correctness” but also are socially liberal on many issues, Sullivan explains. Such South Park Republicanism is a real trend among younger Americans, he observes: South Park’s typical viewer, for instance, is an advertiser-ideal 28.

Talk to right-leaning college students, and it’s clear that Sullivan is onto something. Arizona State undergrad Eric Spratling says the definition fits him and his Republican pals perfectly. “The label is really about rejecting the image of conservatives as uptight squares—crusty old men or nerdy kids in blue blazers. We might have long hair, smoke cigarettes, get drunk on weekends, have sex before marriage, watch R-rated movies, cuss like sailors—and also happen to be conservative, or at least libertarian.” Recent Stanford grad Craig Albrecht says most of his young Bush-supporter friends “absolutely cherish” South Park–style comedy “for its illumination of hypocrisy and stupidity in all spheres of life.” It just so happens, he adds, “that most hypocrisy and stupidity take place within the liberal camp.”

Further supporting Sullivan’s contention, Gavin McInnes, co-founder of Vice—a “punk-rock-capitalist” entertainment corporation that publishes the hipster bible Vice magazine, produces CDs and films, runs clothing stores, and claims (plausibly) to have been “deep inside the heads of 18–30s for the past 10 years”—spots “a new trend of young people tired of being lied to for the sake of the ‘greater good.’ ” Especially on military matters, McInnes believes, many twenty-somethings are disgusted with the Left. The knee-jerk Left’s days “are numbered,” McInnes tells The American Conservative. “They are slowly but surely being replaced with a new breed of kid that isn’t afraid to embrace conservatism.”

the more things change:

Nowhere does Fox differ more radically from the mainstream television and press than in its robustly pro-U.S. coverage of the War on Terror. After September 11, the American flag appeared everywhere, from the lapels of the anchormen to the corner of the screen. Ailes himself wrote to President Bush, urging him to strike back hard against al-Qaida. On-air personalities and reporters freely referred to “our” troops instead of “U.S. forces,” and Islamist “terrorists” and “evildoers” instead of “militants.” Such open displays of patriotism are anathema to today’s liberal journalists, who see “taking sides” as a betrayal of journalistic objectivity.

Asman demurs. For the free media to take sides against an enemy bent on eradicating the free society itself, he argues, isn’t unfair or culturally biased; it is the only possible logical and moral stance. And to call bin Ladin a “militant,” as Reuters does, is to betray the truth, not uphold it. “Terrorism is terrorism,” Asman says crisply. “We know what it is, and we know how to define it, just as our viewers know what it is. So we’re not going to play with them: when we see an act of terror, we’re going to call it terror.” On television news, anyway, Fox alone seemed to grasp this essential point from September 11 on. Says Asman: “CNN, MSNBC, the media generally were not declarative enough in calling a spade a spade.”

All these remarkable, brand-new transformations have sent the Left reeling. Fox News especially is driving liberals wild. Former vice president Al Gore likens Fox to an evil right-wing “fifth column,” and he yearns to set up a left-wing competitor, as if a left-wing media didn’t already exist. Comedian and activist Al Franken’s new book Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them is one long jeremiad against Fox. Washington Post media critic Tom Shales calls Fox a “propaganda mill.” The Columbia Journalism School’s Todd Gitlin worries that Fox “emboldens the right wing to feel justified and confident they can promote their policies.”

obligatory:

The Internet’s power, observes Mickey Kaus, the former New Republic writer whose Kausfiles blog has become indispensable reading for anyone interested in politics, “is due primarily to its influence over professional journalists, who then influence the public.”

[Phoenix Dark]

The last few posts feel like Nolan tier exposition. How did I forget about this...good lord it fits perfectly. I remember laughing about the "South Park republicans" article long ago. Little did I know I was laughing at the future.

[benjipwns]

second to last line:


thus we're doomed to repeat it

[Syph]

What's that subject above Writing but below Tech & Engineering?
I think it needs a #TriggerWarning

[benjipwns]

[Great Rumbler]

Trump couldn't get Hannity for the third debate?

[VomKriege]

"Elaine Quijano" ?
Lie-beral media still at it, I see. What next, a muslim moderator ?

[curly]

Don't see the alt right/south park conservative link at all. Most of the people screaming cuck on the internet were probably 6 when the turd/douche sandwich episode came out. If south park conservatives were ever an actual thing they're old by now and have either moved on ideologically or are voting Johnson. Trump signifies the death of libertarian conservatism.

Of course, south park conservatives were always 90% a figment of conservative pundits' overheated imaginations.

[Mandark]

It ain't that serious, man.  Mostly it's an excuse for me to take shots at a horribly overrated cartoon.

[Syph]

this article is picking up steam
Bill Clinton aides used tax dollars to subsidize foundation, private email support

[benjipwns]

Among the most eye-popping claims Clinton made to the FBI was that she was unfamiliar with the markings on classified documents. Yes, you read that correctly: one of the highest ranking national security officials in the United States government – an official whose day-to-day responsibilities extensively involved classified information; who had secure facilities installed in her two homes (in addition to her office) so she could review classified information in them; and who acknowledged to the FBI that, as secretary of state, she was designated by the president as “an Original Classification Authority,” meaning she had the power to determine what information should be classified and at what level – had the audacity to tell the interviewing agents that she did not know what the different classification symbols in classified documents signified.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fbi-releases-anticipated-documents-heart-hillary-clinton-probe/story?id=41822909

“Clinton did not recall receiving any emails she thought should not have been on an unclassified system,” reads a summary of the FBI’s findings from July. “She relied on State officials to use their judgment when emailing her and could not recall anyone raising concerns with her regarding the sensitivity of the information she received at her email address.”

As Comey said before, three email chains with Clinton included at least one paragraph marked with a “(C),” indicating the paragraph contained confidential material.

“Clinton stated she did not know what the ‘(C)’ meant at the beginning of the paragraphs and speculated it was referencing paragraphs marked in alphabetical order,” according to the FBI summary.

In addition, the paragraphs were not properly marked, lacking a header or footer indicating they contained classified information. But before their interview with Clinton, FBI agents placed the appropriate header on one of the emails to see how she would respond.

When confronted with the altered document, Clinton recognized the header and footer as indicating the presence of classified information, but she didn’t connect them to the “(C)” marking and said she didn’t think the email’s content was in fact classified. She questioned why it was marked as such, according to the FBI summary.

[benjipwns]

Hillary Clinton, under questioning by federal investigators over whether she had been briefed on how to preserve government records as she was about to leave the State Department, said she had suffered a concussion, was working part-time and could not recall every briefing she received.

Bill Clinton (and probably Huma) is yet again exploiting this poor completely incapacitated woman to get power back.