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[Phoenix Dark]

Man the Clintons sure do come up with the corniest "jokes" and zingers. Jesus christ, leave that shit to Bill.

Pence won, Trump lost.

[Human Snorenado]

Oh look, MTW popped out of his groundhog hole to see his shadow and declare six more weeks of winter for Hillary Clinton.

[Syph]

disclaimer: i do not think trump was treated unfairly in the first debate nor do i particularly care about pence or kaine and i only watched half of the debate
that being said

wow did kaine get outclassed
and holy fuck did it piss me off when he interrupted pence and the moderator did nothing, and then when it was kaine's turn to talk and pence interrupted, the moderator immediately jumped in and shut pence down multiple times
was really night and day

in the end it doesn't matter though, this won't move the needle even 0.1% either way and will be forgotten by the second main debate anyway
this is no biden v. ryan

[I'm a Puppy!]

LOL CNN talking to "undecided" voters. If you're undecided at this point you're a moron.

[Phoenix Dark]

I wish I was on CNN or Fox to whip out the #hottake to end them all: the weak female moderator was bad news for Hillary's campaign as it showed an out-classed woman not doing well on a major stage. And just as the moderator was bullied and ignored so will Hillary Clinton and thus America. 

Benji pls respond.

[benjipwns]

What network do you think would put up with us the longest, I feel like Fox Business. They have Kennedy on their convention/"debate" coverage with Lou Dobbs. That feels like an opening.

We could be the after midnight team that handles the like fifth tier party hacks: "vice deputy alternate campaign strategist for Oakland County District 32."

You be the black Sean Hannity and I'll be the cac "I'm a National Rainbow Coalition Democrat" whose only form of argument is whataboutism.

[Mandark]

I do agree that nothing will change. Let's not forget republicans commissioned an "autopsy" after 2012 and came to the conclusion that they needed to be more inclusive and less focused on the rich, job creators, etc. Four years later they nominated a billionaire racist misogynist bigot.

They targeted immigration and gay marriage in particular as areas where they needed to be less dogmatic in order to win younger voters.

Thing is, as much as some liberals like to think GOP voters are just being tricked into voting a certain way, it's the base driving the politicians on these issues, not the other way around.  Republican leadership tried to push comprehensive immigration reform twice and both times their constituencies flipped out on them.  On LGBT issues, even when they abandon a particular policy as a clear loser (you hear very little about repealing SSM or reinstating DADT), they find a new way of showing where they stand, with the bathroom laws and shit.

Republicans still have both houses of Congress and a pretty commanding lead in governorships and state legislatures, so all these premature eulogies for the party are obviously silly.  But it just feels so out of control and incoherent at the national level.  Trump's such a tire fire that we forget the Speaker quit and they had trouble finding someone who would take the job.

[benjipwns]

Mitch Daniels was calling for them to downplay social issues and focus on economic ones even before 2012.

But there's another complete incoherence in the base, and Trump has played upon it. The GOP base isn't free market, free traders, government slashing despite the Tea Party rhetoric. There are all kinds of exceptions. As always, when it comes to details the only thing that holds up is "lower taxes" and complaints about the wrong type of people getting welfare. Also, more military spending since it's been slashed to the bone.

It's ever their "answer" like the Democrats have "messaging" of their perfect policies always being their problem. Both parties are such a clusterfuck of competing internal interests across the board that the only thing that can tie a bunch of them together to form a national electoral coalition is culture warring with the other.

They get elected for reasons perpendicular to what they actually can or want to accomplish.

Remember the 100-Hour Plan?

[Great Rumbler]

So...umm...apparently Hillary Clinton's Wikipedia page got hacked. Or something. Because it's now displaying a very large pornographic image.

[benjipwns]

Regardless of his eventual job performance, Snyder came into office as a conservative-leaning technocrat who wasn't interested in a major social agenda, except his election wave also brought in a whole bunch of hardcore social conservatives who didn't give a shit about any of his government reforms because there was abortion and stuff to handle. So it led to a bunch of internal party fighting and gridlock and compromises where Snyder signed something about abortion to get bailout management and funds for Detroit and so on.

And that's just at a single state level.

[benjipwns]

So...umm...apparently Hillary Clinton's Wikipedia page got hacked. Or something. Because it's now displaying a very large pornographic image.

Wikipedia is manipulated by the cheeseburgers, pedophiles, schizophrenics, and various other deviants and goons that run it. Vote Donald Trump and follow @Meepsheepy

The image was actually already on Wikipedia 

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[Mandark]

Both parties are such a clusterfuck of competing internal interests across the board that the only thing that can tie a bunch of them together to form a national electoral coalition is culture warring with the other.

Is this actually the case with the current Democratic party though?

[Syph]

So...umm...apparently Hillary Clinton's Wikipedia page got hacked. Or something. Because it's now displaying a very large pornographic image.

my, uh, sources have confirmed this development

[Let's Cyber]

So...umm...apparently Hillary Clinton's Wikipedia page got hacked. Or something. Because it's now displaying a very large pornographic image.

"Hmm, the page is loading normally I don't see anything out of the ordinar...OH"

[benjipwns]

Man the Clintons sure do come up with the corniest "jokes" and zingers. Jesus christ, leave that shit to Bill.

Pence won, Trump lost.

Do you want a you're hired president in Hillary Clinton or a you're fired president in Donald Trump?

[benjipwns]

 

Why are we allowing the very much not in the eternal heaven Kim Jong-un on that Mount Rushmore when we have the Eternal President of the Republic Kim Il-sung and Eternal General Secretary of the Workers Party of Korea Kim Jong-il?

[Stoney Mason]

Didn't watch the debate so I have nothing real to offer. VP debates are historically non-events so if I  can barely muster interest in watching the top of the ticket debate I certainly can't on the VP side.

[Kara]

I do agree that nothing will change. Let's not forget republicans commissioned an "autopsy" after 2012 and came to the conclusion that they needed to be more inclusive and less focused on the rich, job creators, etc.

And their presidential primary was (more or less) a long-form Punch and Judy performance wherein Punch pummeled the deepest bench in living memory yet another class of economic doctrinaires produced by the party assembly line.

[Let's Cyber]

Republicans still have both houses of Congress and a pretty commanding lead in governorships and state legislatures, so all these premature eulogies for the party are obviously silly.  But it just feels so out of control and incoherent at the national level.  Trump's such a tire fire that we forget the Speaker quit and they had trouble finding someone who would take the job.

We may very well end up with 16 straight years of Democrats in charge of the country characterized by mostly aimless Republicans doing everything possible to interfere and be a hindrance.  We're already entering into this extended holding pattern of the Republicans being a mess with weakened leadership but using their diffused power and enough sway in both the House and Senate to throw a monkey wrench in a lot of Democrat plans.  It really isn't a good position for anyone.

What's really scary is 2020 could be an even bigger shitshow.  About the only things the Republican electorate could agree upon this cycle were less taxes and fuck black and brown people.  That's the baseline.  Add in the growing anti-establishment wave and I can only imagine who rises out of the muck to carry the GOP torch next presidential election.

[Joe Molotov]

lol, VP debate, no1curr. Why did you guys watch this?

[Phoenix Dark]

The party has never accepted the fact that their base is not a bunch of Buckley types who obsess over conservative ideals. Their base has largely been driven by racial resentment since the late 60s. "I don't want my tax dollars wasted on those people." Trump is the base, it's not like these people will disappear in two or four years. They'll usher in more extremists in 2018 midterms and then hand the presidential nom to another extremist in 2020 unless the party changes the rules.

Like I don't even understand how someone can believe Payl Ryan can satisfy these people/win the south.

[agrajag]

Man, this PTSD thing is not going away. The media is goijg yo keep mauling Trump on the daily until election day.

[Samson Manhug]

Veteran PTSD is a little like institutional racism. You can low key discriminate against veterans and talk about their assumed PTSD behind closed doors, but never say it out loud on camera.

[james]

Talk around the water cooler today is that the debate shifted people from Hillary back to undecided.

Big win for Jill.

[Joe Molotov]

 

[CatsCatsCats]

Kaine seriously needed to shut the fuck up from what I could tell

[Samson Manhug]

Man, I'm ready for this to be over. The only thing more annoying in October than talk about yard signs is talk about "undecided voters".

[Rahxephon91]

Talk around the water cooler today is that the debate shifted people from Hillary back to undecided.

Big win for Jill.

I just don't understand these people. Who gives a shit of the guy was annoying. He had actual points and some sense of know how. Is the election is so maddening because all its revealing is how much people are idiots. You have one side actually saying something while another shows no logical alternative and people can't side with it because of vague ideas about style? I just don't get it.

I have no love for Hilarry Clinton or anything but it is incredibly obvious someone like Trump should not be president. How can anyone be undecided about this?  I isn't even follow the election. Just watched the debates and the Trump side veers from non answers to straight up nonsense 100% of the time. I mean if Hillary loses it will just shake my very core and belif in people.

[benjipwns]

[Joe Molotov]

Drones aren't a secret, Andrea.

[Stoney Mason]

Talk around the water cooler today is that the debate shifted people from Hillary back to undecided.

Big win for Jill.

Yep. I'm sure your rando watercooler is very representative of America.

[Great Rumbler]

The winner of last night's debate seems to be a bit up in the air, with a slight edge to Pence, perhaps, but the loser was pretty clear: Trump.

[VomKriege]

For the GOP the proof will be in the pudding, I suspect, one of their candidates will have to "prove" (in a primary ?) that on the national level he'll gain a net positive by switching angry white racists or crazy christians for latinos and minorities. Hopefully before or at the same time than people will get fatigue from 12 to 16 years of Democratic presidents.

But really, wasn't that what Bush the lesser could have done and what they say they will do every cycle ?

[Tasty]

Ryan is a fucking idiot but he didnt trip over himself twice during the same tripping over movement

Did anyone vet this clown?

And it does fucking matter. 65 million people will be watching this. If just 10% are swayed...

Its over. Hillary hands over the keys to the basket of deplorables.

[Great Rumbler]

Conservative "humor" 

[Joe Molotov]

At work, I heard people complaining about how Kaine was rude and kept interrupting to make false statements. I'm like "oh, for real? Who'd want to vote for someone like that?"

[Great Rumbler]

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/783645247247114240

KAINE LOST WHAT A DISGRACE PENCE WON TRUMP FOR GOD EMPEROR

[james]

Yep. I'm sure your rando watercooler is very representative of America.

Well...

At work, I heard people complaining about how Kaine was rude and kept interrupting to make false statements. I'm like "oh, for real? Who'd want to vote for someone like that?"

Maybe its not just my work.

I just don't understand these people. Who gives a shit of the guy was annoying. He had actual points and some sense of know how.

Welcome to 2016.

The debate is on the screen, but attention is on candy crush in your hand. Policy doesnt register. WTF is he being so rude and whiny like a 9th grader running for class president, on the other hand, does.

Thats reinforced by the water cooler.

"Did you catch the debate last night?"
"Yeah WTF was that cane guy doing interrupting all the time?"
"I cant believe Hillary picked him"
"Agreed her judgement must be broken"
"You heard about her health issues right?"
"Yeah if winter is especially cold this year I dont expect her to make it"
"I dont know if I can vote for that cain guy"

[Great Rumbler]

Maybe its not just my work.

Joe definitely doesn't work with a bunch of undecided voters, I can tell you that.

[james]

Maybe its not just my work.

Joe definitely doesn't work with a bunch of undecided voters, I can tell you that.

I dont either. Left wing central. Doesnt mean the people were happy.

[Let's Cyber]

2 of the 3 people standing at the water cooler were discussing Gary Johnson.

Therefore, scientifically speaking, Gary Johnson will get 66% of the popular vote.

YOU CAN'T DENY NUMBERS

[james]

2 of the 3 people standing at the water cooler were discussing Gary Johnson.

Therefore, scientifically speaking, Gary Johnson will get 66% of the popular vote.

YOU CAN'T DENY NUMBERS

I need to see the cross tabs first

[Tasty]

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/783645247247114240

KAINE LOST WHAT A DISGRACE PENCE WON TRUMP FOR GOD EMPEROR

This is so good.

[Joe Molotov]

Maybe its not just my work.

Joe definitely doesn't work with a bunch of undecided voters, I can tell you that.

I dont either. Left wing central. Doesnt mean the people were happy.

I live in a county that went 75-25 for Romney, which is actually lower that I would have guessed.

[james]

Maybe its not just my work.

Joe definitely doesn't work with a bunch of undecided voters, I can tell you that.

I dont either. Left wing central. Doesnt mean the people were happy.

I live in a county that went 75-25 for Romney, which is actually lower that I would have guessed.

 

[agrajag]

Maybe its not just my work.

Joe definitely doesn't work with a bunch of undecided voters, I can tell you that.

I dont either. Left wing central. Doesnt mean the people were happy.

you work with a bunch of idiots

[james]

Maybe its not just my work.

Joe definitely doesn't work with a bunch of undecided voters, I can tell you that.

I dont either. Left wing central. Doesnt mean the people were happy.

you work with a bunch of idiots

Those people pay your salary

[agrajag]

Maybe its not just my work.

Joe definitely doesn't work with a bunch of undecided voters, I can tell you that.

I dont either. Left wing central. Doesnt mean the people were happy.

you work with a bunch of idiots

Those people pay your salary

The fuck they do.

[Human Snorenado]

Maybe its not just my work.

Joe definitely doesn't work with a bunch of undecided voters, I can tell you that.

I dont either. Left wing central. Doesnt mean the people were happy.

you work with a bunch of idiots

Statistically speaking, most people are both stupid and awful, so the fact that any rando has a dumb opinion is to be expected.

[agrajag]

Maybe its not just my work.

Joe definitely doesn't work with a bunch of undecided voters, I can tell you that.

I dont either. Left wing central. Doesnt mean the people were happy.

you work with a bunch of idiots

Statistically speaking, most people are both stupid and awful, so the fact that any rando has a dumb opinion is to be expected.

It's a sad state of affairs when people are swayed to vote for a different candidate because the VP on the ticket was "nicer" at the debate. Even if we throw away the fact that the candidate himself is a raging asshole. It just makes no sense on so many different levels.

[Stoney Mason]

http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/tv-ratings-early-vp-debate-numbers-low-flash-1201878846/

Yep.

[james]

Maybe its not just my work.

Joe definitely doesn't work with a bunch of undecided voters, I can tell you that.

I dont either. Left wing central. Doesnt mean the people were happy.

you work with a bunch of idiots

Statistically speaking, most people are both stupid and awful, so the fact that any rando has a dumb opinion is to be expected.

I believe a study found that 47% of the country are both stupid and awful. Some might say, deplorable.

[benjipwns]

2 of the 3 people standing at the water cooler were discussing Gary Johnson.

Therefore, scientifically speaking, Gary Johnson will get 66% of the popular vote.

YOU CAN'T DENY NUMBERS

ITSHAPPENING.GIF

THE LIBERTARIAN MOMENT REASON PROMISED

CONSTITUTIONNNNN IS BACK

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ron paul 2012

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[benjipwns]

Maybe its not just my work.

Joe definitely doesn't work with a bunch of undecided voters, I can tell you that.

I dont either. Left wing central.

You work in the Sociology department?

[agrajag]

[jakefromstatefarm]

I believe a study found that 47% of the country are both stupid and awful. Some might say, deplorable.

this seems like a conservative estimate

[agrajag]

Fucking conservatives. First they hijack our memes, now estimates.

[Phoenix Dark]

Maybe its not just my work.

Joe definitely doesn't work with a bunch of undecided voters, I can tell you that.

I dont either. Left wing central.

You work in the Sociology department?

James works in African American Studies.

[Steve Contra]

I would say "savage" but no one who would vote for Trump reads or even knows what the Atlantic is.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/11/the-case-for-hillary-clinton-and-against-donald-trump/501161/

[Joe Molotov]

I would say "savage" but no one who would vote for Trump reads or even knows what the Atlantic is.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/11/the-case-for-hillary-clinton-and-against-donald-trump/501161/

Lincoln, LBJ, and Hillary now have something else in common.

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Besides loving a good dick joke.

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