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« Reply #20760 on: October 16, 2016, 05:58:14 PM »
finally the election analysis we've all been waiting for


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« Reply #20762 on: October 16, 2016, 09:23:14 PM »
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Democratic strategist David Axelrod on Saturday suggested that Hillary Clinton skip her third and final presidential debate with Donald Trump.

The former White House adviser to President Obama responded to Trump's call for a drug test before his next debate with Clinton later this month.

"You have to wonder if @HillaryClinton will/should reconsider next debate, given the depths to which this has sunk," Axelrod tweeted.

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"I'm sorry, dead people generally vote for Democrats rather than Republicans," the former New York City mayor told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union." "You want me to (say) that I think the election in Philadelphia and Chicago is going to be fair? I would have to be a moron to say that."

But he did say the amount of cheating would only impact extremely close races -- noting, for example, if either Trump or Hillary Clinton won Pennsylvania by "5 points," the cheating he alleges would occur would be negligible and not change the outcome.

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« Reply #20763 on: October 16, 2016, 09:34:50 PM »

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« Reply #20764 on: October 16, 2016, 10:47:27 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220288053&postcount=56

Let's not act like the left wasn't trying to deligitimize the electoral process during the primaries. The complaints from the Trump camp sound almost verbatim from what Sander's supporters were saying. Rigged elections, voter fraud, media bias, corruption, etc. They got quite nasty with verbal abuse and threats as well.

Funny how Clinton will have defeated a Left wing and Right wing populist over the course of one election. :doge
The Sanders stuff were systemic complaints. Hillary starting off with a zillion vote lead via super delegates is a hell of a hole. That's not exactly the same as alleging the machines are rigged or requesting that posses are round up to "keep an eye on certain communities."

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« Reply #20765 on: October 16, 2016, 10:50:10 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220288053&postcount=56

Let's not act like the left wasn't trying to deligitimize the electoral process during the primaries. The complaints from the Trump camp sound almost verbatim from what Sander's supporters were saying. Rigged elections, voter fraud, media bias, corruption, etc. They got quite nasty with verbal abuse and threats as well.

Funny how Clinton will have defeated a Left wing and Right wing populist over the course of one election. :doge
The Sanders stuff were systemic complaints. Hillary starting off with a zillion vote lead via super delegates is a hell of a hole. That's not exactly the same as alleging the machines are rigged or requesting that posses are round up to "keep an eye on certain communities."

There was plenty of that also. All you had to do was go to reddit and the worst of bernie fans were just as bad as what Trump is saying. I'm not saying Bernie himself ever said any of this. But the hardcore warriors were rife with this shit is rigged. And not on a systemic level. On a literal they are stealing votes level.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4nzzn6/election_fraud_study_authors_respond_to_clinton/

Democrats in general were pretty bad for this line of argument after the legit outcry over the bullshit way Florida voting occurred in 2000.
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« Reply #20766 on: October 16, 2016, 11:35:38 PM »
that was a GAF post

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« Reply #20767 on: October 17, 2016, 12:07:11 AM »
I see. I didn't click it before

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« Reply #20768 on: October 17, 2016, 12:17:22 AM »
That was a litmus test for who clicks on links or not.  :doge

But honestly, the DNC was trying to bury Sanders, there's evidence.

I just posted that quote because it's funny to me that some Yassss Queen acolytes are still hanging on to their vitriol against Sanders, even after he endorsed Hilary and everything. Get the fuck over it.

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« Reply #20769 on: October 17, 2016, 12:35:30 AM »
But honestly, the DNC was trying to bury Sanders, there's evidence.

Get the fuck over it.

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« Reply #20770 on: October 17, 2016, 12:41:03 AM »
Bruh, I am over it. I'm voting for Hillary. It's like you read my post but nothing registered.

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« Reply #20771 on: October 17, 2016, 12:51:28 AM »
the worst of bernie fans were just as bad as what Trump is saying
I think a lot of the shittest Bernie fans are now Trump supporters.  They were anti-Hillary from the start and didn't care what vehicle got them to the "Anyone but Clinton" parade


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« Reply #20772 on: October 17, 2016, 12:55:46 AM »
the worst of bernie fans were just as bad as what Trump is saying
I think a lot of the shittest Bernie fans are now Trump supporters.  They were anti-Hillary from the start and didn't care what vehicle got them to the "Anyone but Clinton" parade

So those people were never going to vote for Hillary no matter what. Time to stop wasting energy on them, perhaps?

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« Reply #20773 on: October 17, 2016, 12:56:53 AM »
Bernie Bros were bad but they believed in a pretty good idea for the future of America.

I can not say the same of Trump supporters.

I agree that the bottom-of-the-barrel Bernie-or-busters may now be on the Trump side and saying the exact same things as during the primary, but it's likely a very small minority of those in the Bernie camp. Most of them have certainly come around by this point. #StrongerTogether

As for the allegations of the DNC rigging the primary, none of the leaked emails can be substantially proven to have influenced the election for either candidate. Sanders faced an uphill battle from the start and collapsed on Super Tuesday II on his own strengths and weaknesses. It's also not rocket science to see why the DNC would favor a lifelong Democrat who donates substantially downticket to a stingy independent who only converted recently for pragmatic reasons.

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« Reply #20774 on: October 17, 2016, 01:01:29 AM »
The Sanders stuff were systemic complaints. Hillary starting off with a zillion vote lead via super delegates is a hell of a hole. That's not exactly the same as alleging the machines are rigged or requesting that posses are round up to "keep an eye on certain communities."

And yet somehow Obama was able to face a similar deficit and come out on top. It's pretty clear that the loudest whiners about superdelegates during this year's primary were facing their first election ever and had no idea how the primary system worked.

The lack of superdelegates on the RNC side also led to the nomination of Trump, so I'm not convinced they're an absolute evil that should be abolished.

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« Reply #20775 on: October 17, 2016, 01:04:41 AM »
this really needs to be posted over and over again

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But a whopping 85 percent of Sanders supporters said they’ll get behind Mrs. Clinton — putting her well ahead of pace compared to 2008, when less than 70 percent of her supporters were prepared to back then-candidate Barack Obama in June, after their bitter primary.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/10/bernie-sanders-supporters-outpace-candidate-in-jum/

Those dumbass Bernie bros.. :yuck

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« Reply #20776 on: October 17, 2016, 01:10:15 AM »
I agree that the bottom-of-the-barrel Bernie-or-busters may now be on the Trump side and saying the exact same things as during the primary, but it's likely a very small minority of those in the Bernie camp. Most of them have certainly come around by this point. #StrongerTogether.
Agreed.  I'm more referring to the very vocal group online, a lot of which had probably never voted before.  The dudes harassing people on social media and were accusing minorities of not know what is best for them types.

The number of registered democrats jumping ship for Trump has got to be pretty small.


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« Reply #20778 on: October 17, 2016, 01:50:02 AM »
The GOP does have superdelegate equivalents. It's just a smaller proportion of the total delegates and some of them are bound to the state winner on the first ballot. 15% of DNC delegates are superdelegates, it's like 1% of RNC.

The Democrats are moving in that direction however, as this was part of the Convention compromise (the Sanders people wanted to eliminate them completely):
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Under the reform package, in future Democratic Conventions, about two-thirds of superdelegates would be bound to the results of state primaries and caucuses. The remaining one-third – Members of Congress, Governors, and distinguished party leaders – would remain unpledged and free to support the candidate of their choice.

Superdelegates like the DNC's couldn't have stopped Trump, he got a first ballot superdupermajority, 70% of the delegates. By the time the primaries were over he was already at nearly 60%. He even got 45% of the popular vote.

The problem would have been the same problem that the GOP faced in 2012 as well as this year. There was no one main opposition candidate. There were three.

Trump won Super Tuesday (595 delegates) by popular vote over Cruz-Rubio-Kasich-Carson: 34%-29%-22%-6%-6%.
Trump won the next week (393 delegates) by popular vote over Cruz-Rubio-Kasich: 37%-31%-11%-17%
Trump won March 15th (366 delegates) by popular vote over Cruz-Rubio-Kasich: 41%-24%-12%-21%

At that point Rubio dropped out. There were only a few races over the next month for under 300 delegates but Trump won 44%-34%-17%. On April 26th there were 124 delegates, Trump won 57%-20%-21% but these were mostly WTA so he got 111 of the delegates. He won Indiana 53%-37%-8% for another 57 delegates to zip. At which point both Cruz and Kasich dropped out and Trump won 70+% of the vote in the remaining nine states.

In 2012, you had the same issue. Romney-Santorum-Gingrich-Paul.
First two months: 41%-24%-22%-11%
Super Tuesday: 38%-27%-23%-11%
March: 35%-35%-27%-3%
April: 53%-25%-9%-12% (Santorum dropped out on April 3rd, Gingrich on May 2nd)

Romney only had 935 of the needed 1144 at that point but nobody else went into the convention with more than 190 (Paul) and the highest possible total was 250 for Santorum but everyone but Paul released theirs.

Hillary and Sanders advantage is that they were the only two candidates in the race. Hillary got 55% of the vote and 60% of the delegates, Bernie got 43% of the vote and 39% of the delegates. Not a huge disparity. (In 2008 it was 48% of the vote for Hillary and 46% of delegates,  47% of the vote for Obama and 53% of delegates.)

Had there been a third candidate who could obtain 15% of the vote and make it say, 45%-38%-15%, who stays in until the end of May, it would have been far far harder for Hillary to have won even with the superdelegates. That's more of the situation the GOP has faced.

This happened in 1984, the last time three candidates had 15+% of the popular vote. Mondale-Hart-Jackson split the vote 38%-36%-18% for 1606-1164-358 delegates awarded from the primaries. Mondale was 335 delegates short. The superdelegates plus released eventually put him over 2191-1200-465-26 (Others). Jackson tried to get the rules changed because the 15% rule in a lot of DNC primaries had meant he didn't get anywhere near 18% of the delegates. Mondale at the same time was trying to round up as many votes as possible so it didn't go to a second ballot and delegates be released from their pledges.

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« Reply #20779 on: October 17, 2016, 01:53:26 AM »
Shut the fuck up Benji.

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« Reply #20780 on: October 17, 2016, 01:55:55 AM »
The Republicans actually changed their rules progressively in 2012 and 2016 to allocate more and more delegates proportionally and over a longer period. This was to get away from the situation like 2008 where McCain got 47% of the vote but had more than the needed delegates by March 4th. (And had basically won the nomination on Super Tuesday despite winning only 9 of the 21 primaries but getting 568 out of 901 delegates.)

Trump probably would have had the same landslide effect as McCain did and Kerry in 2004 under the old rules.

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« Reply #20781 on: October 17, 2016, 02:15:58 AM »

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« Reply #20782 on: October 17, 2016, 02:19:24 AM »
Sounds like half the guys I bowl with.

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« Reply #20783 on: October 17, 2016, 02:35:54 AM »
I'll admit that the racism/war on terror is probably going to give me a lifelong grudge against the GOP and that that's the number one reason I want to vote for Hillary. Because they're running against what's going to be the first woman president and I want the GOP to be the "bad guys" in history books so future generations think your grandfather was a Nazi for voting for Trump. I won't pretend like that's not the biggest motivator for me.

But sometimes I wonder what if Bernie was the nominee? He'd beat Trump, maybe not lose too much of the downballot effect Hillary is aiming for due to being an old white dude (+5% congressional clout), and he would need to act somewhat Jewish in the short-term so people don't think he's a godless heathen. Iono maybe in another decade we'll be ready for "radical" socialist policies.

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« Reply #20784 on: October 17, 2016, 03:26:09 AM »
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/787889195507417088
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Julian Assange's internet link has been intentionally severed by a state party. We have activated the appropriate contingency plans.

buckle up

wikileaks also released 3 dead man switch tweets pertaining to John Kerry, Ecuador, and the UK.
also I took a peak at the gaf thread lol...the mental gymnastics going on in there because they know whatever this is could potentially hurt hillary is pretty sad (SAD!)

but srs will be interesting to see if anything comes of this
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« Reply #20785 on: October 17, 2016, 03:31:18 AM »
Assange.

 :point

Can't be sent to Sweden soon enough.
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« Reply #20786 on: October 17, 2016, 03:38:43 AM »
he promised an october surprise!

surprise! jail!

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« Reply #20787 on: October 17, 2016, 08:44:46 AM »
People make fun of Assange for not being able to hurt Hillary, but if she was going up against anyone else besides Trump, the steady stream of Wikileaks would've put her in a world of trouble. Trump just happens to be a walking scandal, so he takes all the attention away from her.

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« Reply #20788 on: October 17, 2016, 09:53:27 AM »
People ridicule Assange because he's an hypocrite and holier-than-thou asshole trying to skip a fair trial in the courts of one of the mildest democracies there is (and one with some of the best protection for press, which is why he wanted to apply for residence, and that following the CIA rendition fiasco is extra-careful not to extradite willy nilly to the US) using his "political credibility".
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« Reply #20789 on: October 17, 2016, 10:01:30 AM »
People ridicule Assange because he's an hypocrite and holier-than-thou asshole trying to skip a fair trial in the courts of one of the mildest democracies there is (and one with some of the best protection for press, which is why he wanted to apply for residence, and that following the CIA rendition fiasco is extra-careful not to extradite willy nilly to the US) using his "political credibility".

That's a given and not at all what i was talking about.

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« Reply #20790 on: October 17, 2016, 10:18:28 AM »
I never thought it were trump supporters that firebombed the gop office because the message that was spray painted was spelled correctly.

But seriously, who wastes enough time to spell 'republicans' completely?  :doge
« Last Edit: October 17, 2016, 11:52:06 AM by Brehvolution »
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« Reply #20791 on: October 17, 2016, 10:26:22 AM »
The Republicans actually changed their rules progressively in 2012 and 2016 to allocate more and more delegates proportionally and over a longer period. This was to get away from the situation like 2008 where McCain got 47% of the vote but had more than the needed delegates by March 4th. (And had basically won the nomination on Super Tuesday despite winning only 9 of the 21 primaries but getting 568 out of 901 delegates.)

Trump probably would have had the same landslide effect as McCain did and Kerry in 2004 under the old rules.

Heres a groundbreaking proposal.

1 person = 1 vote

Tally them up.

Whoever gets most votes wins

 :mindblown
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« Reply #20792 on: October 17, 2016, 10:46:52 AM »
People ridicule Assange because he's an hypocrite and holier-than-thou asshole trying to skip a fair trial in the courts of one of the mildest democracies there is (and one with some of the best protection for press, which is why he wanted to apply for residence, and that following the CIA rendition fiasco is extra-careful not to extradite willy nilly to the US) using his "political credibility".

That's a given and not at all what i was talking about.

Yeah sure but couldn't resist the jab.
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« Reply #20793 on: October 17, 2016, 12:29:38 PM »
I never thought it were trump supporters that firebombed the gop office because the message that was spray painted was spelled correctly.

But seriously, who wastes enough time to spell 'republicans' completely?  :doge

For real. If you're going to go through all the trouble of fire-bombing the place, you could have at least made up a pithy insult like "Repukes" or something.
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« Reply #20797 on: October 17, 2016, 12:41:32 PM »
Trump is a man of god.

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« Reply #20798 on: October 17, 2016, 02:12:41 PM »
After host Dom Giordano pressed McCain on how he can promise that Republicans will block Clinton’s appointees when they did not block President Obama’s appointment of Justice Sonia Sotomayor, McCain noted that a handful of Republicans did support Sotomayor. This time around, however, he says things will be different.

“I promise you that we will be united against any Supreme Court nominee that Hillary Clinton, if she were president, would put up,” McCain told Giordano. He added that “this is why we need the majority.

Oh boy!
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« Reply #20799 on: October 17, 2016, 02:21:27 PM »
After host Dom Giordano pressed McCain on how he can promise that Republicans will block Clinton’s appointees when they did not block President Obama’s appointment of Justice Sonia Sotomayor, McCain noted that a handful of Republicans did support Sotomayor. This time around, however, he says things will be different.

“I promise you that we will be united against any Supreme Court nominee that Hillary Clinton, if she were president, would put up,” McCain told Giordano. He added that “this is why we need the majority.

Oh boy!

This is literal anti-constitutional behavior. I have no idea how they can justify this to themselves. Disgusting and treasonous.

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« Reply #20800 on: October 17, 2016, 02:25:12 PM »
errrr
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/788025190550691840
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Top #HillaryClinton aides lamented that a Muslim man, not a white man, was the San Bernardino shooter, emails released by WikiLeaks show.
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« Reply #20801 on: October 17, 2016, 02:25:42 PM »
errrr
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/788025190550691840
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Top #HillaryClinton aides lamented that a Muslim man, not a white man, was the San Bernardino shooter, emails released by WikiLeaks show.

I mean, people on GAF said the same thing.

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« Reply #20802 on: October 17, 2016, 02:28:43 PM »
errrr
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/788025190550691840
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Top #HillaryClinton aides lamented that a Muslim man, not a white man, was the San Bernardino shooter, emails released by WikiLeaks show.

omg
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« Reply #20803 on: October 17, 2016, 02:31:02 PM »
errrr
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/788025190550691840
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Top #HillaryClinton aides lamented that a Muslim man, not a white man, was the San Bernardino shooter, emails released by WikiLeaks show.

I mean, people on GAF said the same thing.


Top people on GAF, even.

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« Reply #20804 on: October 17, 2016, 02:33:11 PM »
Top #GAF posters.
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« Reply #20805 on: October 17, 2016, 02:42:21 PM »
I prefer white terrorists.  I feel like I relate to them better.  Imagine if instead of Hans Gruber you had Mohammad Gruber?

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« Reply #20806 on: October 17, 2016, 02:50:38 PM »
I prefer white terrorists.  I feel like I relate to them better.  Imagine if instead of Hans Gruber you had Mohammad Gruber?

Hans Gruber wasn't a terrorist, he was a thief.

#ThiefGenocide

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« Reply #20807 on: October 17, 2016, 03:04:10 PM »
Hans Gruber was a thief.  Mohammad Gruber would have been a terrorist. 

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« Reply #20808 on: October 17, 2016, 03:10:45 PM »
Hans Gruber was a thief.  Mohammad Gruber would have been a terrorist.

:lol :lol

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« Reply #20809 on: October 17, 2016, 03:12:46 PM »
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« Reply #20812 on: October 17, 2016, 03:27:16 PM »
Trump is a man of god.

Which one?

Whichever one is god of the oil fields, probably:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oklahoma-oilfield-prayer-day_us_57fdc266e4b0d505a46b0a98

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“The oilfield is experiencing an economic disaster with catastrophic impact on the industry,” Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma oilpatch chaplain Tom Beddow told the Baptist Messenger. “The most recognizable need is for the recovery of economic loss, but the greatest need in these depressive times is hope... the hope that comes from God.”

:rofl

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« Reply #20816 on: October 17, 2016, 07:48:10 PM »
FAT CHECK
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/14/donald-trump/donald-trump-wrongly-maligns-us-chess-prowess/
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One of Donald Trump’s signature lines at rallies has been that the United States doesn’t win any more. "Folks, we don't win anymore, right?" he said in June in an event in the Woodlands, Texas. "We don't win anymore. We don't win! We don't win on anything."

More recently, during an Oct. 10 rally in Ambridge, Pa., Trump offered a variation on that theme -- and the U.S. chess community wasn’t happy about his remarks.

Trump was in the midst of criticizing international trade agreements, including the Trans-Pacific Partnership. He said he supports the idea of bilateral agreements, saying that such deals would make it possible for the United States to threaten to withdraw, then renegotiate on more favorable terms before the agreement expired.

Trump went on to say that with multilateral pacts like the TPP, "you can't terminate -- there's too many people, you go crazy. It's like you have to be a grand chess master. And we don't have any of them." (You can see it here, around the 19:45 mark.)

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It’s literally wrong that "we don’t have any" chess grandmasters. That’s the correct term, by the way, not "grand chess masters."

Currently, the United States has 90 grandmasters, counting both men and women, which is enough to rank third-highest in the world.
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Trump chose a particularly inopportune moment for his comment.

Most notable is the victory less than a month earlier by the U.S. men’s team at the 42nd Chess Olympiad in Baku, Azerbaijan -- which is considered the first time in nearly 80 years that the United States won the gold. To win in September, the United States bested such powerhouses as Russia, Ukraine, India and China.

Chess may not be the most popular sport in the United States, but observers called the Olympic victory a watershed moment for U.S. chess.

"The 2016 win in the Chess Olympiad is huge," said Olimpiu G. Urcan, a Singapore-based chess writer and historian. "The previous Olympiad was won by China, and Russia and Ukraine are extremely competitive. Having the United States finish first was a huge boost for chess in America and a moment of genuine pride. Many in the U.S. right now believe that the successes of 2016 could produce a rejuvenation of chess" similar to what happened with the international stardom of Bobby Fischer in the 1970s.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
« Reply #20817 on: October 17, 2016, 07:51:12 PM »
Is there nothing that Trump won't lie about? :lol
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
« Reply #20818 on: October 17, 2016, 07:53:02 PM »
is it a lie if you don't know the truth?  :doge

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
« Reply #20819 on: October 17, 2016, 09:14:40 PM »
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