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benjipwns

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No point really, I/others will just point out failures in deregulation or privatisation experiments and benji will say that there wasn't enough of it
I wish I had others to point out the endless failures in central planning and monopolization experiments so you guys can just say there wasn't enough violence used.  :fbm

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Don't blame me. Blame Broseidon, or God.

Wait, they're not the same person?

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StealthFan

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Such bullshit that he was banned. Expected but still bullshit.

BTW these Honey Mustand & Onion Sourdough Pretzel Pieces I got from the 99 Cent Only store are fucking delicious :lawd
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benjipwns

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nudemacusers

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is recon the same dude that gets pms-y in gaf hop over the lamest shit?
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Shaka Khan

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Such bullshit that he was banned. Expected but still bullshit.

No it's not. :lol
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nudemacusers

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dude was a kanye stan right? :heh
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Phoenix Dark

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I invited Recon by PM, dunno if he saw it before the ban, which I assume is permanent. He doesn't have Blackace to save his ass anymore.
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It's becoming increasingly obvious that Blackace bred a lot of corrupted princesses who believed they could troll with impunity. Sounds like Lore made the right call. :hitler
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Phoenix Dark

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I invited Recon by PM, dunno if he saw it before the ban, which I assume is permanent. He doesn't have Blackace to save his ass anymore.

:yeshrug blackace was the one banning him half of those times tho

true but he was doing it to protect him breh. Shit was like when my dad would spank me instead of my mom. I knew my dad was just using the belt, that shit was easy. But my mom with that glue stick tho  :whoo

Got spanked with that thing once and was like aite, I'm not doing bad shit while she's home yo.
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I invited Recon by PM, dunno if he saw it before the ban, which I assume is permanent. He doesn't have Blackace to save his ass anymore.

:yeshrug blackace was the one banning him half of those times tho

I assume days/weeks is still better than the months he might have got from other mods.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=103182674&postcount=156

Holy fucking shit  :o

oh my god @ this and the chipopo follow up.  i guess he was looking for the exit.

FStop7

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Naughty Dog fans losing their shit.  http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=779366

benjipwns

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:hitler Time to Kickstart Michael Jordan: Chaos in the Windy City 2  :jawalrus

Rahxephon91

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Naughty Dog fans losing their shit.  http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=779366
If thats true then Christ that sounds awful. Fuck those dudes.

Shadow Mod

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The higher these things reach in the minds of many the harder they fall when turn out to be like the rest.

El Babua

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Looks like the more talented group is in charge of the whole studio now.  :smug

Van Cruncheon

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for some reason i thought tlou bomba'd? maybe that's me projecting...
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This insistence on Halo 4 having a good story and campaign. God. Reminds me why I don't go to gaming side.

archnemesis

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for some reason i thought tlou bomba'd? maybe that's me projecting...
Games that bomba don't win GOTY awards. Much like the Oscars it's more about popularity than quality.

archnemesis

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"Underperformed" is a better word for 3.69 million.

Edit: And of course I'm talking about aggregate GOTYs for large publications or forums like GAF. I frequently put niche games in my own GOTY lists.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2014, 03:04:02 AM by archnemesis »

Purple Filth

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torn between their goddess worship of amy hennig, who could someday write a pilot episode for a relaunch of hercules: the legendary journeys if she's lucky, and their ass-kissing sony idolation, what will the fanboys choose?

uncharted 4 threads gonna be as ugly as DmC/Lords of Shadow threads now

now add the misogny stuff and the system wars bullshit, tada!  :lol

Shadow Mod

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I need to play TLOU.

I read how great it is on GAF but everyone else I know loves to tell me how hamfisted it is.

Purple Filth

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I need to play TLOU.

I read how great it is on GAF but everyone else I know loves to tell me how hamfisted it is.

Same

but I would go out on a limb and say to trust everyone else tbh


Oblivion

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torn between their goddess worship of amy hennig, who could someday write a pilot episode for a relaunch of hercules: the legendary journeys if she's lucky

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archnemesis

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5 years? Maybe I should pick it up then. They churn out new Zelda games so often I thought they all had a 2 year dev cycle.

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If it wasn't heavily government regulated? Yeah, definitely.
Utilities are currently heavily regulated (if competition isn't outright banned) the result of which is why you have monopolies and cartels managing them.

The libertarian position is merely that removing the state protection of utility monopolies shouldn't result in a worse situation because worse case you have the same existing monopolies in place so all you've lost is one avenue of collusion and graft.

Partial airline deregulation under the Carter Administration (with Ted Kennedy's help) being the most famous example of a flood of new competition entering an once cartel dominated industry. I know lots of elites lament it because it democratized access to air travel but I don't find that a particularly compelling case for monopolization.

Actually, airline prices didn't decrease appreciably faster in the US after deregulation than they did in other countries which didn't have similar reforms.  Flight costs became cheaper thanks to more fuel-efficient planes and more heavily computerized scheduling/ticketing.  The bill itself wasn't so much "deregulation" as a shift in the regulatory regime which tilted away from smaller carriers and airports to larger companies.  That's why air travel in the US has gravitated towards a few huge hub cities while small and mid-size airports are shrinking or closing.


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I actually don't know if any of that's true, but it's sure the sort of contrarian argument against received wisdom that, if it supported the free market case, you'd eat up with a spoon!
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My imagination is derived from a variety of sources that often run counter to the mainstream for a variety of reasons. Let me explain. In relation to this topic I consider the economic organisation of our means of production to be akin to slavery, horribly inefficient and wasteful and completely contrary to the best interests of our future development as a civilisation. That's my view; I think it could be better, a lot better.

Those things I see as a problem; largely because poverty = instability. The more poor people you have without proper access to basic medical treatment, education, social services, accommodation and so forth, the more potential you have for criminality, conflict, hostility and war. I see all of that as a problem so as a result of that I go looking for solutions. If the conventional view is that our economic system is by-and-large correct and I don't agree that it is, then I wil research alternatives and posit contrary views. I just won't buy what I am told. That's just the way I am.

The views that I have in relation to this thread aren't unique and original; they're not my special, little views, they're inspired by things like the Venus Project. A way of resource allocation that adheres to principles of science and research to address many of the problems I've outlined. That's my line of thinking. I'm interested in the best thing to do, not what is popular or in vogue; and I want to employ science in pursuit of that. How we get to such a system is not for me to say; we can do so by choice or we can do so kicking and screaming when our precious little system all comes crashing down and we have no choice.

I echoed the same sorts of ideas before the 2007-2008 financial crisis and the idea of society hitting such a economic roadblock prior to that time was unthinkable to many. Still is. The idea of our society being unsustainable and breaking down is still inconceivable to a lot of people. So I'm basically countered by a regurgitation of knee jerk mainstream garbage. If I say, work is slavery, what do I get? 'Duh, we need to work so things are produced and services provided'. Really? Duh, you don't think? That's it? What answers does this provide? Work IS slavery, for if many don't work, they don't survive. It's a pretty accurate observation.

Look at the definition -

Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property to be bought and sold, and are forced to work

What's the difference? The employment market is exactly that, a market. Your services as an employee ARE bought (hired) and sold (retrenched). You ARE forced to work to survive. What is the difference? Not a lot. The only difference is the manner of your slavery. For your contribution, are you fed and accommodation provided for you? Or are you given the resources, i.e. money, to acquire these things for yourself? Can you choose your slave owner, aka, another employer or can you not? How does your ability to do this free you from work?

How am I wrong? I challenge anyone, on the basis of the definition that I provided, to demonstrate that work is not slavery? Take my challenge.

Want to gang up on me in this thread? The knee jerk dismissals and the put downs? Oh que será. Fine. The trouble with many of you and with society in general, as I see it, is that you ARE sheeple, as cliché as that is to say; whether you see it or want to admit to it or not. Whether you want to like it or not. It is the case; and that sucks for the people who actually want to engage in some thinking and contemplation about the way things fundamentally work. You question nothing but meaningless variations and pointless talking points within the framework of your society. It could be the framework of North Korea and it's dear leader, or Muhammad being this great prophet of Islam or America, land of the free. Everyone is brought up within a framework of this kind, and the vast majority will swallow their framework up, hook, line and sinker. From cradle to grave.

Rarely are the frameworks themselves really questioned from within, in the absence of powerful external counter influences. Instead let's talk about some irrelevant pop culture crap like what Kim Kardashian is doing this week. Or let's talk about some distracting political agenda. Or let's discuss the endless PR spin and the rhetoric and the subtle propaganda of the politicians. But never, ever question the fundamental integrity of the societal framework itself; the fundamental political, economic and cultural machinations are often beyond many to even contemplate the idea of questioning. Whatever the mainstream media drives as it's agenda, becomes your agenda. Whatever the politicians discuss becomes the things you talk about and discuss. What you base your vote on at elections. This is not 'thinking for yourself', it is thinking about things that others, with an agenda, have put in front of you to think about.

Never do you step outside and question the framework itself. You won't question democracy, because you're convinced it is infallible like a North Korean is convinced of the infallibility of dear leader. You don't question capitalism, because it is the lifeblood that supports your lifestyle, despite it's flaws, it's failures and the problems it causes for so many that don't derive benefit from it. You don't question the culture because the government, a bunch of 'experts' with contradicting theories and an inherent view of America as fundamentally righteous and noble means the 'official line' on major, controversial events should be taken as 'good enough'. Never mind doing rigorous science, never mind allowing thorough independent investigation. It is good enough for you; and cast out any and all who disagree.

So such ideas that run counter to the mainstream, the kind I present, will be denigrated by default. Always. Why? Because that's the way people are. That's the way they are raised, educated and built. That is what all societies aim to inherently produce, obedient citizenry. And because they have the inability to see things outside of the box, to properly engage in their own research and study. Because their views and opinions come as a result of being spoon fed, rather than independently sought, anyone else who stands to question the mainstream framework is cast aside, ostracised and shunned.

So that's my imagination. In contrast with the way I see things, I think that many people generally look at things, analyse things and gain their information about things from a place that represents a very sorry failure of imagination indeed.
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My imagination is derived from a variety of sources that often run counter to the mainstream for a variety of reasons. Let me explain. In relation to this topic I consider the economic organisation of our means of production to be akin to slavery, horribly inefficient and wasteful and completely contrary to the best interests of our future development as a civilisation. That's my view; I think it could be better, a lot better.

Those things I see as a problem; largely because poverty = instability. The more poor people you have without proper access to basic medical treatment, education, social services, accommodation and so forth, the more potential you have for criminality, conflict, hostility and war. I see all of that as a problem so as a result of that I go looking for solutions. If the conventional view is that our economic system is by-and-large correct and I don't agree that it is, then I wil research alternatives and posit contrary views. I just won't buy what I am told. That's just the way I am.

The views that I have in relation to this thread aren't unique and original; they're not my special, little views, they're inspired by things like the Venus Project. A way of resource allocation that adheres to principles of science and research to address many of the problems I've outlined. That's my line of thinking. I'm interested in the best thing to do, not what is popular or in vogue; and I want to employ science in pursuit of that. How we get to such a system is not for me to say; we can do so by choice or we can do so kicking and screaming when our precious little system all comes crashing down and we have no choice.

I echoed the same sorts of ideas before the 2007-2008 financial crisis and the idea of society hitting such a economic roadblock prior to that time was unthinkable to many. Still is. The idea of our society being unsustainable and breaking down is still inconceivable to a lot of people. So I'm basically countered by a regurgitation of knee jerk mainstream garbage. If I say, work is slavery, what do I get? 'Duh, we need to work so things are produced and services provided'. Really? Duh, you don't think? That's it? What answers does this provide? Work IS slavery, for if many don't work, they don't survive. It's a pretty accurate observation.

Look at the definition -

Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property to be bought and sold, and are forced to work

What's the difference? The employment market is exactly that, a market. Your services as an employee ARE bought (hired) and sold (retrenched). You ARE forced to work to survive. What is the difference? Not a lot. The only difference is the manner of your slavery. For your contribution, are you fed and accommodation provided for you? Or are you given the resources, i.e. money, to acquire these things for yourself? Can you choose your slave owner, aka, another employer or can you not? How does your ability to do this free you from work?

How am I wrong? I challenge anyone, on the basis of the definition that I provided, to demonstrate that work is not slavery? Take my challenge.

Want to gang up on me in this thread? The knee jerk dismissals and the put downs? Oh que será. Fine. The trouble with many of you and with society in general, as I see it, is that you ARE sheeple, as cliché as that is to say; whether you see it or want to admit to it or not. Whether you want to like it or not. It is the case; and that sucks for the people who actually want to engage in some thinking and contemplation about the way things fundamentally work. You question nothing but meaningless variations and pointless talking points within the framework of your society. It could be the framework of North Korea and it's dear leader, or Muhammad being this great prophet of Islam or America, land of the free. Everyone is brought up within a framework of this kind, and the vast majority will swallow their framework up, hook, line and sinker. From cradle to grave.

Rarely are the frameworks themselves really questioned from within, in the absence of powerful external counter influences. Instead let's talk about some irrelevant pop culture crap like what Kim Kardashian is doing this week. Or let's talk about some distracting political agenda. Or let's discuss the endless PR spin and the rhetoric and the subtle propaganda of the politicians. But never, ever question the fundamental integrity of the societal framework itself; the fundamental political, economic and cultural machinations are often beyond many to even contemplate the idea of questioning. Whatever the mainstream media drives as it's agenda, becomes your agenda. Whatever the politicians discuss becomes the things you talk about and discuss. What you base your vote on at elections. This is not 'thinking for yourself', it is thinking about things that others, with an agenda, have put in front of you to think about.

Never do you step outside and question the framework itself. You won't question democracy, because you're convinced it is infallible like a North Korean is convinced of the infallibility of dear leader. You don't question capitalism, because it is the lifeblood that supports your lifestyle, despite it's flaws, it's failures and the problems it causes for so many that don't derive benefit from it. You don't question the culture because the government, a bunch of 'experts' with contradicting theories and an inherent view of America as fundamentally righteous and noble means the 'official line' on major, controversial events should be taken as 'good enough'. Never mind doing rigorous science, never mind allowing thorough independent investigation. It is good enough for you; and cast out any and all who disagree.

So such ideas that run counter to the mainstream, the kind I present, will be denigrated by default. Always. Why? Because that's the way people are. That's the way they are raised, educated and built. That is what all societies aim to inherently produce, obedient citizenry. And because they have the inability to see things outside of the box, to properly engage in their own research and study. Because their views and opinions come as a result of being spoon fed, rather than independently sought, anyone else who stands to question the mainstream framework is cast aside, ostracised and shunned.

So that's my imagination. In contrast with the way I see things, I think that many people generally look at things, analyse things and gain their information about things from a place that represents a very sorry failure of imagination indeed.

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My imagination is derived from a variety of sources that often run counter to the mainstream for a variety of reasons. Let me explain. In relation to this topic I consider the economic organisation of our means of production to be akin to slavery, horribly inefficient and wasteful and completely contrary to the best interests of our future development as a civilisation. That's my view; I think it could be better, a lot better.

Those things I see as a problem; largely because poverty = instability. The more poor people you have without proper access to basic medical treatment, education, social services, accommodation and so forth, the more potential you have for criminality, conflict, hostility and war. I see all of that as a problem so as a result of that I go looking for solutions. If the conventional view is that our economic system is by-and-large correct and I don't agree that it is, then I wil research alternatives and posit contrary views. I just won't buy what I am told. That's just the way I am.

The views that I have in relation to this thread aren't unique and original; they're not my special, little views, they're inspired by things like the Venus Project. A way of resource allocation that adheres to principles of science and research to address many of the problems I've outlined. That's my line of thinking. I'm interested in the best thing to do, not what is popular or in vogue; and I want to employ science in pursuit of that. How we get to such a system is not for me to say; we can do so by choice or we can do so kicking and screaming when our precious little system all comes crashing down and we have no choice.

I echoed the same sorts of ideas before the 2007-2008 financial crisis and the idea of society hitting such a economic roadblock prior to that time was unthinkable to many. Still is. The idea of our society being unsustainable and breaking down is still inconceivable to a lot of people. So I'm basically countered by a regurgitation of knee jerk mainstream garbage. If I say, work is slavery, what do I get? 'Duh, we need to work so things are produced and services provided'. Really? Duh, you don't think? That's it? What answers does this provide? Work IS slavery, for if many don't work, they don't survive. It's a pretty accurate observation.

Look at the definition -

Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property to be bought and sold, and are forced to work

What's the difference? The employment market is exactly that, a market. Your services as an employee ARE bought (hired) and sold (retrenched). You ARE forced to work to survive. What is the difference? Not a lot. The only difference is the manner of your slavery. For your contribution, are you fed and accommodation provided for you? Or are you given the resources, i.e. money, to acquire these things for yourself? Can you choose your slave owner, aka, another employer or can you not? How does your ability to do this free you from work?

How am I wrong? I challenge anyone, on the basis of the definition that I provided, to demonstrate that work is not slavery? Take my challenge.

Want to gang up on me in this thread? The knee jerk dismissals and the put downs? Oh que será. Fine. The trouble with many of you and with society in general, as I see it, is that you ARE sheeple, as cliché as that is to say; whether you see it or want to admit to it or not. Whether you want to like it or not. It is the case; and that sucks for the people who actually want to engage in some thinking and contemplation about the way things fundamentally work. You question nothing but meaningless variations and pointless talking points within the framework of your society. It could be the framework of North Korea and it's dear leader, or Muhammad being this great prophet of Islam or America, land of the free. Everyone is brought up within a framework of this kind, and the vast majority will swallow their framework up, hook, line and sinker. From cradle to grave.

Rarely are the frameworks themselves really questioned from within, in the absence of powerful external counter influences. Instead let's talk about some irrelevant pop culture crap like what Kim Kardashian is doing this week. Or let's talk about some distracting political agenda. Or let's discuss the endless PR spin and the rhetoric and the subtle propaganda of the politicians. But never, ever question the fundamental integrity of the societal framework itself; the fundamental political, economic and cultural machinations are often beyond many to even contemplate the idea of questioning. Whatever the mainstream media drives as it's agenda, becomes your agenda. Whatever the politicians discuss becomes the things you talk about and discuss. What you base your vote on at elections. This is not 'thinking for yourself', it is thinking about things that others, with an agenda, have put in front of you to think about.

Never do you step outside and question the framework itself. You won't question democracy, because you're convinced it is infallible like a North Korean is convinced of the infallibility of dear leader. You don't question capitalism, because it is the lifeblood that supports your lifestyle, despite it's flaws, it's failures and the problems it causes for so many that don't derive benefit from it. You don't question the culture because the government, a bunch of 'experts' with contradicting theories and an inherent view of America as fundamentally righteous and noble means the 'official line' on major, controversial events should be taken as 'good enough'. Never mind doing rigorous science, never mind allowing thorough independent investigation. It is good enough for you; and cast out any and all who disagree.

So such ideas that run counter to the mainstream, the kind I present, will be denigrated by default. Always. Why? Because that's the way people are. That's the way they are raised, educated and built. That is what all societies aim to inherently produce, obedient citizenry. And because they have the inability to see things outside of the box, to properly engage in their own research and study. Because their views and opinions come as a result of being spoon fed, rather than independently sought, anyone else who stands to question the mainstream framework is cast aside, ostracised and shunned.

So that's my imagination. In contrast with the way I see things, I think that many people generally look at things, analyse things and gain their information about things from a place that represents a very sorry failure of imagination indeed.


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My imagination is derived from a variety of sources that often run counter to the mainstream for a variety of reasons. Let me explain. In relation to this topic I consider the economic organisation of our means of production to be akin to slavery, horribly inefficient and wasteful and completely contrary to the best interests of our future development as a civilisation. That's my view; I think it could be better, a lot better.

Those things I see as a problem; largely because poverty = instability. The more poor people you have without proper access to basic medical treatment, education, social services, accommodation and so forth, the more potential you have for criminality, conflict, hostility and war. I see all of that as a problem so as a result of that I go looking for solutions. If the conventional view is that our economic system is by-and-large correct and I don't agree that it is, then I wil research alternatives and posit contrary views. I just won't buy what I am told. That's just the way I am.

The views that I have in relation to this thread aren't unique and original; they're not my special, little views, they're inspired by things like the Venus Project. A way of resource allocation that adheres to principles of science and research to address many of the problems I've outlined. That's my line of thinking. I'm interested in the best thing to do, not what is popular or in vogue; and I want to employ science in pursuit of that. How we get to such a system is not for me to say; we can do so by choice or we can do so kicking and screaming when our precious little system all comes crashing down and we have no choice.

I echoed the same sorts of ideas before the 2007-2008 financial crisis and the idea of society hitting such a economic roadblock prior to that time was unthinkable to many. Still is. The idea of our society being unsustainable and breaking down is still inconceivable to a lot of people. So I'm basically countered by a regurgitation of knee jerk mainstream garbage. If I say, work is slavery, what do I get? 'Duh, we need to work so things are produced and services provided'. Really? Duh, you don't think? That's it? What answers does this provide? Work IS slavery, for if many don't work, they don't survive. It's a pretty accurate observation.

Look at the definition -

Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property to be bought and sold, and are forced to work

What's the difference? The employment market is exactly that, a market. Your services as an employee ARE bought (hired) and sold (retrenched). You ARE forced to work to survive. What is the difference? Not a lot. The only difference is the manner of your slavery. For your contribution, are you fed and accommodation provided for you? Or are you given the resources, i.e. money, to acquire these things for yourself? Can you choose your slave owner, aka, another employer or can you not? How does your ability to do this free you from work?

How am I wrong? I challenge anyone, on the basis of the definition that I provided, to demonstrate that work is not slavery? Take my challenge.

Want to gang up on me in this thread? The knee jerk dismissals and the put downs? Oh que será. Fine. The trouble with many of you and with society in general, as I see it, is that you ARE sheeple, as cliché as that is to say; whether you see it or want to admit to it or not. Whether you want to like it or not. It is the case; and that sucks for the people who actually want to engage in some thinking and contemplation about the way things fundamentally work. You question nothing but meaningless variations and pointless talking points within the framework of your society. It could be the framework of North Korea and it's dear leader, or Muhammad being this great prophet of Islam or America, land of the free. Everyone is brought up within a framework of this kind, and the vast majority will swallow their framework up, hook, line and sinker. From cradle to grave.

Rarely are the frameworks themselves really questioned from within, in the absence of powerful external counter influences. Instead let's talk about some irrelevant pop culture crap like what Kim Kardashian is doing this week. Or let's talk about some distracting political agenda. Or let's discuss the endless PR spin and the rhetoric and the subtle propaganda of the politicians. But never, ever question the fundamental integrity of the societal framework itself; the fundamental political, economic and cultural machinations are often beyond many to even contemplate the idea of questioning. Whatever the mainstream media drives as it's agenda, becomes your agenda. Whatever the politicians discuss becomes the things you talk about and discuss. What you base your vote on at elections. This is not 'thinking for yourself', it is thinking about things that others, with an agenda, have put in front of you to think about.

Never do you step outside and question the framework itself. You won't question democracy, because you're convinced it is infallible like a North Korean is convinced of the infallibility of dear leader. You don't question capitalism, because it is the lifeblood that supports your lifestyle, despite it's flaws, it's failures and the problems it causes for so many that don't derive benefit from it. You don't question the culture because the government, a bunch of 'experts' with contradicting theories and an inherent view of America as fundamentally righteous and noble means the 'official line' on major, controversial events should be taken as 'good enough'. Never mind doing rigorous science, never mind allowing thorough independent investigation. It is good enough for you; and cast out any and all who disagree.

So such ideas that run counter to the mainstream, the kind I present, will be denigrated by default. Always. Why? Because that's the way people are. That's the way they are raised, educated and built. That is what all societies aim to inherently produce, obedient citizenry. And because they have the inability to see things outside of the box, to properly engage in their own research and study. Because their views and opinions come as a result of being spoon fed, rather than independently sought, anyone else who stands to question the mainstream framework is cast aside, ostracised and shunned.

So that's my imagination. In contrast with the way I see things, I think that many people generally look at things, analyse things and gain their information about things from a place that represents a very sorry failure of imagination indeed.

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My imagination is derived from a variety of sources that often run counter to the mainstream for a variety of reasons. Let me explain. In relation to this topic I consider the economic organisation of our means of production to be akin to slavery, horribly inefficient and wasteful and completely contrary to the best interests of our future development as a civilisation. That's my view; I think it could be better, a lot better.

Those things I see as a problem; largely because poverty = instability. The more poor people you have without proper access to basic medical treatment, education, social services, accommodation and so forth, the more potential you have for criminality, conflict, hostility and war. I see all of that as a problem so as a result of that I go looking for solutions. If the conventional view is that our economic system is by-and-large correct and I don't agree that it is, then I wil research alternatives and posit contrary views. I just won't buy what I am told. That's just the way I am.

The views that I have in relation to this thread aren't unique and original; they're not my special, little views, they're inspired by things like the Venus Project. A way of resource allocation that adheres to principles of science and research to address many of the problems I've outlined. That's my line of thinking. I'm interested in the best thing to do, not what is popular or in vogue; and I want to employ science in pursuit of that. How we get to such a system is not for me to say; we can do so by choice or we can do so kicking and screaming when our precious little system all comes crashing down and we have no choice.

I echoed the same sorts of ideas before the 2007-2008 financial crisis and the idea of society hitting such a economic roadblock prior to that time was unthinkable to many. Still is. The idea of our society being unsustainable and breaking down is still inconceivable to a lot of people. So I'm basically countered by a regurgitation of knee jerk mainstream garbage. If I say, work is slavery, what do I get? 'Duh, we need to work so things are produced and services provided'. Really? Duh, you don't think? That's it? What answers does this provide? Work IS slavery, for if many don't work, they don't survive. It's a pretty accurate observation.

Look at the definition -

Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property to be bought and sold, and are forced to work

What's the difference? The employment market is exactly that, a market. Your services as an employee ARE bought (hired) and sold (retrenched). You ARE forced to work to survive. What is the difference? Not a lot. The only difference is the manner of your slavery. For your contribution, are you fed and accommodation provided for you? Or are you given the resources, i.e. money, to acquire these things for yourself? Can you choose your slave owner, aka, another employer or can you not? How does your ability to do this free you from work?

How am I wrong? I challenge anyone, on the basis of the definition that I provided, to demonstrate that work is not slavery? Take my challenge.

Want to gang up on me in this thread? The knee jerk dismissals and the put downs? Oh que será. Fine. The trouble with many of you and with society in general, as I see it, is that you ARE sheeple, as cliché as that is to say; whether you see it or want to admit to it or not. Whether you want to like it or not. It is the case; and that sucks for the people who actually want to engage in some thinking and contemplation about the way things fundamentally work. You question nothing but meaningless variations and pointless talking points within the framework of your society. It could be the framework of North Korea and it's dear leader, or Muhammad being this great prophet of Islam or America, land of the free. Everyone is brought up within a framework of this kind, and the vast majority will swallow their framework up, hook, line and sinker. From cradle to grave.

Rarely are the frameworks themselves really questioned from within, in the absence of powerful external counter influences. Instead let's talk about some irrelevant pop culture crap like what Kim Kardashian is doing this week. Or let's talk about some distracting political agenda. Or let's discuss the endless PR spin and the rhetoric and the subtle propaganda of the politicians. But never, ever question the fundamental integrity of the societal framework itself; the fundamental political, economic and cultural machinations are often beyond many to even contemplate the idea of questioning. Whatever the mainstream media drives as it's agenda, becomes your agenda. Whatever the politicians discuss becomes the things you talk about and discuss. What you base your vote on at elections. This is not 'thinking for yourself', it is thinking about things that others, with an agenda, have put in front of you to think about.

Never do you step outside and question the framework itself. You won't question democracy, because you're convinced it is infallible like a North Korean is convinced of the infallibility of dear leader. You don't question capitalism, because it is the lifeblood that supports your lifestyle, despite it's flaws, it's failures and the problems it causes for so many that don't derive benefit from it. You don't question the culture because the government, a bunch of 'experts' with contradicting theories and an inherent view of America as fundamentally righteous and noble means the 'official line' on major, controversial events should be taken as 'good enough'. Never mind doing rigorous science, never mind allowing thorough independent investigation. It is good enough for you; and cast out any and all who disagree.

So such ideas that run counter to the mainstream, the kind I present, will be denigrated by default. Always. Why? Because that's the way people are. That's the way they are raised, educated and built. That is what all societies aim to inherently produce, obedient citizenry. And because they have the inability to see things outside of the box, to properly engage in their own research and study. Because their views and opinions come as a result of being spoon fed, rather than independently sought, anyone else who stands to question the mainstream framework is cast aside, ostracised and shunned.

So that's my imagination. In contrast with the way I see things, I think that many people generally look at things, analyse things and gain their information about things from a place that represents a very sorry failure of imagination indeed.
http://www.whywork.org/

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I actually don't know if any of that's true, but it's sure the sort of contrarian argument against received wisdom that, if it supported the free market case, you'd eat up with a spoon!
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Is something wrong? You seem angry and hostile lately.

In any case, the CAB operated much like Certificates of Need do and it's really hard to picture a less cartelized type of system outside of deliberate nationalization. But I don't think people want us to continue blabbing about this boring stuff in here or they'll tear us apart.

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Could someone explain to me why this naughty dog drama is potentially lolworthy?
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Could someone explain to me why this naughty dog drama is potentially lolworthy?

Just the usual convergence of NAUGHTY GODS!!11!!1!, lol women, and concern trolling.
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My imagination is derived from a variety of sources that often run counter to the mainstream for a variety of reasons. Let me explain. In relation to this topic I consider the economic organisation of our means of production to be akin to slavery, horribly inefficient and wasteful and completely contrary to the best interests of our future development as a civilisation. That's my view; I think it could be better, a lot better.

Those things I see as a problem; largely because poverty = instability. The more poor people you have without proper access to basic medical treatment, education, social services, accommodation and so forth, the more potential you have for criminality, conflict, hostility and war. I see all of that as a problem so as a result of that I go looking for solutions. If the conventional view is that our economic system is by-and-large correct and I don't agree that it is, then I wil research alternatives and posit contrary views. I just won't buy what I am told. That's just the way I am.

The views that I have in relation to this thread aren't unique and original; they're not my special, little views, they're inspired by things like the Venus Project. A way of resource allocation that adheres to principles of science and research to address many of the problems I've outlined. That's my line of thinking. I'm interested in the best thing to do, not what is popular or in vogue; and I want to employ science in pursuit of that. How we get to such a system is not for me to say; we can do so by choice or we can do so kicking and screaming when our precious little system all comes crashing down and we have no choice.

I echoed the same sorts of ideas before the 2007-2008 financial crisis and the idea of society hitting such a economic roadblock prior to that time was unthinkable to many. Still is. The idea of our society being unsustainable and breaking down is still inconceivable to a lot of people. So I'm basically countered by a regurgitation of knee jerk mainstream garbage. If I say, work is slavery, what do I get? 'Duh, we need to work so things are produced and services provided'. Really? Duh, you don't think? That's it? What answers does this provide? Work IS slavery, for if many don't work, they don't survive. It's a pretty accurate observation.

Look at the definition -

Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property to be bought and sold, and are forced to work

What's the difference? The employment market is exactly that, a market. Your services as an employee ARE bought (hired) and sold (retrenched). You ARE forced to work to survive. What is the difference? Not a lot. The only difference is the manner of your slavery. For your contribution, are you fed and accommodation provided for you? Or are you given the resources, i.e. money, to acquire these things for yourself? Can you choose your slave owner, aka, another employer or can you not? How does your ability to do this free you from work?

How am I wrong? I challenge anyone, on the basis of the definition that I provided, to demonstrate that work is not slavery? Take my challenge.

Want to gang up on me in this thread? The knee jerk dismissals and the put downs? Oh que será. Fine. The trouble with many of you and with society in general, as I see it, is that you ARE sheeple, as cliché as that is to say; whether you see it or want to admit to it or not. Whether you want to like it or not. It is the case; and that sucks for the people who actually want to engage in some thinking and contemplation about the way things fundamentally work. You question nothing but meaningless variations and pointless talking points within the framework of your society. It could be the framework of North Korea and it's dear leader, or Muhammad being this great prophet of Islam or America, land of the free. Everyone is brought up within a framework of this kind, and the vast majority will swallow their framework up, hook, line and sinker. From cradle to grave.

Rarely are the frameworks themselves really questioned from within, in the absence of powerful external counter influences. Instead let's talk about some irrelevant pop culture crap like what Kim Kardashian is doing this week. Or let's talk about some distracting political agenda. Or let's discuss the endless PR spin and the rhetoric and the subtle propaganda of the politicians. But never, ever question the fundamental integrity of the societal framework itself; the fundamental political, economic and cultural machinations are often beyond many to even contemplate the idea of questioning. Whatever the mainstream media drives as it's agenda, becomes your agenda. Whatever the politicians discuss becomes the things you talk about and discuss. What you base your vote on at elections. This is not 'thinking for yourself', it is thinking about things that others, with an agenda, have put in front of you to think about.

Never do you step outside and question the framework itself. You won't question democracy, because you're convinced it is infallible like a North Korean is convinced of the infallibility of dear leader. You don't question capitalism, because it is the lifeblood that supports your lifestyle, despite it's flaws, it's failures and the problems it causes for so many that don't derive benefit from it. You don't question the culture because the government, a bunch of 'experts' with contradicting theories and an inherent view of America as fundamentally righteous and noble means the 'official line' on major, controversial events should be taken as 'good enough'. Never mind doing rigorous science, never mind allowing thorough independent investigation. It is good enough for you; and cast out any and all who disagree.

So such ideas that run counter to the mainstream, the kind I present, will be denigrated by default. Always. Why? Because that's the way people are. That's the way they are raised, educated and built. That is what all societies aim to inherently produce, obedient citizenry. And because they have the inability to see things outside of the box, to properly engage in their own research and study. Because their views and opinions come as a result of being spoon fed, rather than independently sought, anyone else who stands to question the mainstream framework is cast aside, ostracised and shunned.

So that's my imagination. In contrast with the way I see things, I think that many people generally look at things, analyse things and gain their information about things from a place that represents a very sorry failure of imagination indeed.


My imagination is derived from a variety of sources that often run counter to the mainstream for a variety of reasons. Let me explain. In relation to this topic I consider the economic organisation of our means of production to be akin to slavery, horribly inefficient and wasteful and completely contrary to the best interests of our future development as a civilisation. That's my view; I think it could be better, a lot better.

Those things I see as a problem; largely because poverty = instability. The more poor people you have without proper access to basic medical treatment, education, social services, accommodation and so forth, the more potential you have for criminality, conflict, hostility and war. I see all of that as a problem so as a result of that I go looking for solutions. If the conventional view is that our economic system is by-and-large correct and I don't agree that it is, then I wil research alternatives and posit contrary views. I just won't buy what I am told. That's just the way I am.

The views that I have in relation to this thread aren't unique and original; they're not my special, little views, they're inspired by things like the Venus Project. A way of resource allocation that adheres to principles of science and research to address many of the problems I've outlined. That's my line of thinking. I'm interested in the best thing to do, not what is popular or in vogue; and I want to employ science in pursuit of that. How we get to such a system is not for me to say; we can do so by choice or we can do so kicking and screaming when our precious little system all comes crashing down and we have no choice.

I echoed the same sorts of ideas before the 2007-2008 financial crisis and the idea of society hitting such a economic roadblock prior to that time was unthinkable to many. Still is. The idea of our society being unsustainable and breaking down is still inconceivable to a lot of people. So I'm basically countered by a regurgitation of knee jerk mainstream garbage. If I say, work is slavery, what do I get? 'Duh, we need to work so things are produced and services provided'. Really? Duh, you don't think? That's it? What answers does this provide? Work IS slavery, for if many don't work, they don't survive. It's a pretty accurate observation.

Look at the definition -

Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property to be bought and sold, and are forced to work

What's the difference? The employment market is exactly that, a market. Your services as an employee ARE bought (hired) and sold (retrenched). You ARE forced to work to survive. What is the difference? Not a lot. The only difference is the manner of your slavery. For your contribution, are you fed and accommodation provided for you? Or are you given the resources, i.e. money, to acquire these things for yourself? Can you choose your slave owner, aka, another employer or can you not? How does your ability to do this free you from work?

How am I wrong? I challenge anyone, on the basis of the definition that I provided, to demonstrate that work is not slavery? Take my challenge.

Want to gang up on me in this thread? The knee jerk dismissals and the put downs? Oh que será. Fine. The trouble with many of you and with society in general, as I see it, is that you ARE sheeple, as cliché as that is to say; whether you see it or want to admit to it or not. Whether you want to like it or not. It is the case; and that sucks for the people who actually want to engage in some thinking and contemplation about the way things fundamentally work. You question nothing but meaningless variations and pointless talking points within the framework of your society. It could be the framework of North Korea and it's dear leader, or Muhammad being this great prophet of Islam or America, land of the free. Everyone is brought up within a framework of this kind, and the vast majority will swallow their framework up, hook, line and sinker. From cradle to grave.

Rarely are the frameworks themselves really questioned from within, in the absence of powerful external counter influences. Instead let's talk about some irrelevant pop culture crap like what Kim Kardashian is doing this week. Or let's talk about some distracting political agenda. Or let's discuss the endless PR spin and the rhetoric and the subtle propaganda of the politicians. But never, ever question the fundamental integrity of the societal framework itself; the fundamental political, economic and cultural machinations are often beyond many to even contemplate the idea of questioning. Whatever the mainstream media drives as it's agenda, becomes your agenda. Whatever the politicians discuss becomes the things you talk about and discuss. What you base your vote on at elections. This is not 'thinking for yourself', it is thinking about things that others, with an agenda, have put in front of you to think about.

Never do you step outside and question the framework itself. You won't question democracy, because you're convinced it is infallible like a North Korean is convinced of the infallibility of dear leader. You don't question capitalism, because it is the lifeblood that supports your lifestyle, despite it's flaws, it's failures and the problems it causes for so many that don't derive benefit from it. You don't question the culture because the government, a bunch of 'experts' with contradicting theories and an inherent view of America as fundamentally righteous and noble means the 'official line' on major, controversial events should be taken as 'good enough'. Never mind doing rigorous science, never mind allowing thorough independent investigation. It is good enough for you; and cast out any and all who disagree.

So such ideas that run counter to the mainstream, the kind I present, will be denigrated by default. Always. Why? Because that's the way people are. That's the way they are raised, educated and built. That is what all societies aim to inherently produce, obedient citizenry. And because they have the inability to see things outside of the box, to properly engage in their own research and study. Because their views and opinions come as a result of being spoon fed, rather than independently sought, anyone else who stands to question the mainstream framework is cast aside, ostracised and shunned.

So that's my imagination. In contrast with the way I see things, I think that many people generally look at things, analyse things and gain their information about things from a place that represents a very sorry failure of imagination indeed.

"Despite all my rage, I am still just a hamster in a cage."

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My imagination is derived from a variety of sources that often run counter to the mainstream for a variety of reasons. Let me explain. In relation to this topic I consider the economic organisation of our means of production to be akin to slavery, horribly inefficient and wasteful and completely contrary to the best interests of our future development as a civilisation. That's my view; I think it could be better, a lot better.

Those things I see as a problem; largely because poverty = instability. The more poor people you have without proper access to basic medical treatment, education, social services, accommodation and so forth, the more potential you have for criminality, conflict, hostility and war. I see all of that as a problem so as a result of that I go looking for solutions. If the conventional view is that our economic system is by-and-large correct and I don't agree that it is, then I wil research alternatives and posit contrary views. I just won't buy what I am told. That's just the way I am.

The views that I have in relation to this thread aren't unique and original; they're not my special, little views, they're inspired by things like the Venus Project. A way of resource allocation that adheres to principles of science and research to address many of the problems I've outlined. That's my line of thinking. I'm interested in the best thing to do, not what is popular or in vogue; and I want to employ science in pursuit of that. How we get to such a system is not for me to say; we can do so by choice or we can do so kicking and screaming when our precious little system all comes crashing down and we have no choice.

I echoed the same sorts of ideas before the 2007-2008 financial crisis and the idea of society hitting such a economic roadblock prior to that time was unthinkable to many. Still is. The idea of our society being unsustainable and breaking down is still inconceivable to a lot of people. So I'm basically countered by a regurgitation of knee jerk mainstream garbage. If I say, work is slavery, what do I get? 'Duh, we need to work so things are produced and services provided'. Really? Duh, you don't think? That's it? What answers does this provide? Work IS slavery, for if many don't work, they don't survive. It's a pretty accurate observation.

Look at the definition -

Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property to be bought and sold, and are forced to work

What's the difference? The employment market is exactly that, a market. Your services as an employee ARE bought (hired) and sold (retrenched). You ARE forced to work to survive. What is the difference? Not a lot. The only difference is the manner of your slavery. For your contribution, are you fed and accommodation provided for you? Or are you given the resources, i.e. money, to acquire these things for yourself? Can you choose your slave owner, aka, another employer or can you not? How does your ability to do this free you from work?

How am I wrong? I challenge anyone, on the basis of the definition that I provided, to demonstrate that work is not slavery? Take my challenge.

Want to gang up on me in this thread? The knee jerk dismissals and the put downs? Oh que será. Fine. The trouble with many of you and with society in general, as I see it, is that you ARE sheeple, as cliché as that is to say; whether you see it or want to admit to it or not. Whether you want to like it or not. It is the case; and that sucks for the people who actually want to engage in some thinking and contemplation about the way things fundamentally work. You question nothing but meaningless variations and pointless talking points within the framework of your society. It could be the framework of North Korea and it's dear leader, or Muhammad being this great prophet of Islam or America, land of the free. Everyone is brought up within a framework of this kind, and the vast majority will swallow their framework up, hook, line and sinker. From cradle to grave.

Rarely are the frameworks themselves really questioned from within, in the absence of powerful external counter influences. Instead let's talk about some irrelevant pop culture crap like what Kim Kardashian is doing this week. Or let's talk about some distracting political agenda. Or let's discuss the endless PR spin and the rhetoric and the subtle propaganda of the politicians. But never, ever question the fundamental integrity of the societal framework itself; the fundamental political, economic and cultural machinations are often beyond many to even contemplate the idea of questioning. Whatever the mainstream media drives as it's agenda, becomes your agenda. Whatever the politicians discuss becomes the things you talk about and discuss. What you base your vote on at elections. This is not 'thinking for yourself', it is thinking about things that others, with an agenda, have put in front of you to think about.

Never do you step outside and question the framework itself. You won't question democracy, because you're convinced it is infallible like a North Korean is convinced of the infallibility of dear leader. You don't question capitalism, because it is the lifeblood that supports your lifestyle, despite it's flaws, it's failures and the problems it causes for so many that don't derive benefit from it. You don't question the culture because the government, a bunch of 'experts' with contradicting theories and an inherent view of America as fundamentally righteous and noble means the 'official line' on major, controversial events should be taken as 'good enough'. Never mind doing rigorous science, never mind allowing thorough independent investigation. It is good enough for you; and cast out any and all who disagree.

So such ideas that run counter to the mainstream, the kind I present, will be denigrated by default. Always. Why? Because that's the way people are. That's the way they are raised, educated and built. That is what all societies aim to inherently produce, obedient citizenry. And because they have the inability to see things outside of the box, to properly engage in their own research and study. Because their views and opinions come as a result of being spoon fed, rather than independently sought, anyone else who stands to question the mainstream framework is cast aside, ostracised and shunned.

So that's my imagination. In contrast with the way I see things, I think that many people generally look at things, analyse things and gain their information about things from a place that represents a very sorry failure of imagination indeed.
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My imagination is derived from a variety of sources that often run counter to the mainstream for a variety of reasons. Let me explain. In relation to this topic I consider the economic organisation of our means of production to be akin to slavery, horribly inefficient and wasteful and completely contrary to the best interests of our future development as a civilisation. That's my view; I think it could be better, a lot better.

Those things I see as a problem; largely because poverty = instability. The more poor people you have without proper access to basic medical treatment, education, social services, accommodation and so forth, the more potential you have for criminality, conflict, hostility and war. I see all of that as a problem so as a result of that I go looking for solutions. If the conventional view is that our economic system is by-and-large correct and I don't agree that it is, then I wil research alternatives and posit contrary views. I just won't buy what I am told. That's just the way I am.

The views that I have in relation to this thread aren't unique and original; they're not my special, little views, they're inspired by things like the Venus Project. A way of resource allocation that adheres to principles of science and research to address many of the problems I've outlined. That's my line of thinking. I'm interested in the best thing to do, not what is popular or in vogue; and I want to employ science in pursuit of that. How we get to such a system is not for me to say; we can do so by choice or we can do so kicking and screaming when our precious little system all comes crashing down and we have no choice.

I echoed the same sorts of ideas before the 2007-2008 financial crisis and the idea of society hitting such a economic roadblock prior to that time was unthinkable to many. Still is. The idea of our society being unsustainable and breaking down is still inconceivable to a lot of people. So I'm basically countered by a regurgitation of knee jerk mainstream garbage. If I say, work is slavery, what do I get? 'Duh, we need to work so things are produced and services provided'. Really? Duh, you don't think? That's it? What answers does this provide? Work IS slavery, for if many don't work, they don't survive. It's a pretty accurate observation.

Look at the definition -

Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property to be bought and sold, and are forced to work

What's the difference? The employment market is exactly that, a market. Your services as an employee ARE bought (hired) and sold (retrenched). You ARE forced to work to survive. What is the difference? Not a lot. The only difference is the manner of your slavery. For your contribution, are you fed and accommodation provided for you? Or are you given the resources, i.e. money, to acquire these things for yourself? Can you choose your slave owner, aka, another employer or can you not? How does your ability to do this free you from work?

How am I wrong? I challenge anyone, on the basis of the definition that I provided, to demonstrate that work is not slavery? Take my challenge.

Want to gang up on me in this thread? The knee jerk dismissals and the put downs? Oh que será. Fine. The trouble with many of you and with society in general, as I see it, is that you ARE sheeple, as cliché as that is to say; whether you see it or want to admit to it or not. Whether you want to like it or not. It is the case; and that sucks for the people who actually want to engage in some thinking and contemplation about the way things fundamentally work. You question nothing but meaningless variations and pointless talking points within the framework of your society. It could be the framework of North Korea and it's dear leader, or Muhammad being this great prophet of Islam or America, land of the free. Everyone is brought up within a framework of this kind, and the vast majority will swallow their framework up, hook, line and sinker. From cradle to grave.

Rarely are the frameworks themselves really questioned from within, in the absence of powerful external counter influences. Instead let's talk about some irrelevant pop culture crap like what Kim Kardashian is doing this week. Or let's talk about some distracting political agenda. Or let's discuss the endless PR spin and the rhetoric and the subtle propaganda of the politicians. But never, ever question the fundamental integrity of the societal framework itself; the fundamental political, economic and cultural machinations are often beyond many to even contemplate the idea of questioning. Whatever the mainstream media drives as it's agenda, becomes your agenda. Whatever the politicians discuss becomes the things you talk about and discuss. What you base your vote on at elections. This is not 'thinking for yourself', it is thinking about things that others, with an agenda, have put in front of you to think about.

Never do you step outside and question the framework itself. You won't question democracy, because you're convinced it is infallible like a North Korean is convinced of the infallibility of dear leader. You don't question capitalism, because it is the lifeblood that supports your lifestyle, despite it's flaws, it's failures and the problems it causes for so many that don't derive benefit from it. You don't question the culture because the government, a bunch of 'experts' with contradicting theories and an inherent view of America as fundamentally righteous and noble means the 'official line' on major, controversial events should be taken as 'good enough'. Never mind doing rigorous science, never mind allowing thorough independent investigation. It is good enough for you; and cast out any and all who disagree.

So such ideas that run counter to the mainstream, the kind I present, will be denigrated by default. Always. Why? Because that's the way people are. That's the way they are raised, educated and built. That is what all societies aim to inherently produce, obedient citizenry. And because they have the inability to see things outside of the box, to properly engage in their own research and study. Because their views and opinions come as a result of being spoon fed, rather than independently sought, anyone else who stands to question the mainstream framework is cast aside, ostracised and shunned.

So that's my imagination. In contrast with the way I see things, I think that many people generally look at things, analyse things and gain their information about things from a place that represents a very sorry failure of imagination indeed.
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My imagination is derived from a variety of sources that often run counter to the mainstream for a variety of reasons. Let me explain. In relation to this topic I consider the economic organisation of our means of production to be akin to slavery, horribly inefficient and wasteful and completely contrary to the best interests of our future development as a civilisation. That's my view; I think it could be better, a lot better.

Those things I see as a problem; largely because poverty = instability. The more poor people you have without proper access to basic medical treatment, education, social services, accommodation and so forth, the more potential you have for criminality, conflict, hostility and war. I see all of that as a problem so as a result of that I go looking for solutions. If the conventional view is that our economic system is by-and-large correct and I don't agree that it is, then I wil research alternatives and posit contrary views. I just won't buy what I am told. That's just the way I am.

The views that I have in relation to this thread aren't unique and original; they're not my special, little views, they're inspired by things like the Venus Project. A way of resource allocation that adheres to principles of science and research to address many of the problems I've outlined. That's my line of thinking. I'm interested in the best thing to do, not what is popular or in vogue; and I want to employ science in pursuit of that. How we get to such a system is not for me to say; we can do so by choice or we can do so kicking and screaming when our precious little system all comes crashing down and we have no choice.

I echoed the same sorts of ideas before the 2007-2008 financial crisis and the idea of society hitting such a economic roadblock prior to that time was unthinkable to many. Still is. The idea of our society being unsustainable and breaking down is still inconceivable to a lot of people. So I'm basically countered by a regurgitation of knee jerk mainstream garbage. If I say, work is slavery, what do I get? 'Duh, we need to work so things are produced and services provided'. Really? Duh, you don't think? That's it? What answers does this provide? Work IS slavery, for if many don't work, they don't survive. It's a pretty accurate observation.

Look at the definition -

Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property to be bought and sold, and are forced to work

What's the difference? The employment market is exactly that, a market. Your services as an employee ARE bought (hired) and sold (retrenched). You ARE forced to work to survive. What is the difference? Not a lot. The only difference is the manner of your slavery. For your contribution, are you fed and accommodation provided for you? Or are you given the resources, i.e. money, to acquire these things for yourself? Can you choose your slave owner, aka, another employer or can you not? How does your ability to do this free you from work?

How am I wrong? I challenge anyone, on the basis of the definition that I provided, to demonstrate that work is not slavery? Take my challenge.

Want to gang up on me in this thread? The knee jerk dismissals and the put downs? Oh que será. Fine. The trouble with many of you and with society in general, as I see it, is that you ARE sheeple, as cliché as that is to say; whether you see it or want to admit to it or not. Whether you want to like it or not. It is the case; and that sucks for the people who actually want to engage in some thinking and contemplation about the way things fundamentally work. You question nothing but meaningless variations and pointless talking points within the framework of your society. It could be the framework of North Korea and it's dear leader, or Muhammad being this great prophet of Islam or America, land of the free. Everyone is brought up within a framework of this kind, and the vast majority will swallow their framework up, hook, line and sinker. From cradle to grave.

Rarely are the frameworks themselves really questioned from within, in the absence of powerful external counter influences. Instead let's talk about some irrelevant pop culture crap like what Kim Kardashian is doing this week. Or let's talk about some distracting political agenda. Or let's discuss the endless PR spin and the rhetoric and the subtle propaganda of the politicians. But never, ever question the fundamental integrity of the societal framework itself; the fundamental political, economic and cultural machinations are often beyond many to even contemplate the idea of questioning. Whatever the mainstream media drives as it's agenda, becomes your agenda. Whatever the politicians discuss becomes the things you talk about and discuss. What you base your vote on at elections. This is not 'thinking for yourself', it is thinking about things that others, with an agenda, have put in front of you to think about.

Never do you step outside and question the framework itself. You won't question democracy, because you're convinced it is infallible like a North Korean is convinced of the infallibility of dear leader. You don't question capitalism, because it is the lifeblood that supports your lifestyle, despite it's flaws, it's failures and the problems it causes for so many that don't derive benefit from it. You don't question the culture because the government, a bunch of 'experts' with contradicting theories and an inherent view of America as fundamentally righteous and noble means the 'official line' on major, controversial events should be taken as 'good enough'. Never mind doing rigorous science, never mind allowing thorough independent investigation. It is good enough for you; and cast out any and all who disagree.

So such ideas that run counter to the mainstream, the kind I present, will be denigrated by default. Always. Why? Because that's the way people are. That's the way they are raised, educated and built. That is what all societies aim to inherently produce, obedient citizenry. And because they have the inability to see things outside of the box, to properly engage in their own research and study. Because their views and opinions come as a result of being spoon fed, rather than independently sought, anyone else who stands to question the mainstream framework is cast aside, ostracised and shunned.

So that's my imagination. In contrast with the way I see things, I think that many people generally look at things, analyse things and gain their information about things from a place that represents a very sorry failure of imagination indeed.


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Could someone explain to me why this naughty dog drama is potentially lolworthy?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=103246505&postcount=1830

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Keep quoting the wall of text, brehs.

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Could someone explain to me why this naughty dog drama is potentially lolworthy?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=103246505&postcount=1830

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Poe's law and all, but what probably actually happened: "This level is going to be in the desert, write something around that."

Double post, brehs.

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GAF is jank as fuck today. 408's everywhere. I'm not seeing any big news either.

People who equate slavery to working a job should be shot in the testicles.

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At least slaves got to work outside. It gets pretty depressing in this office.  :(

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My imagination is derived from a variety of sources that often run counter to the mainstream for a variety of reasons. Let me explain. In relation to this topic I consider the economic organisation of our means of production to be akin to slavery, horribly inefficient and wasteful and completely contrary to the best interests of our future development as a civilisation. That's my view; I think it could be better, a lot better.

Those things I see as a problem; largely because poverty = instability. The more poor people you have without proper access to basic medical treatment, education, social services, accommodation and so forth, the more potential you have for criminality, conflict, hostility and war. I see all of that as a problem so as a result of that I go looking for solutions. If the conventional view is that our economic system is by-and-large correct and I don't agree that it is, then I wil research alternatives and posit contrary views. I just won't buy what I am told. That's just the way I am.

The views that I have in relation to this thread aren't unique and original; they're not my special, little views, they're inspired by things like the Venus Project. A way of resource allocation that adheres to principles of science and research to address many of the problems I've outlined. That's my line of thinking. I'm interested in the best thing to do, not what is popular or in vogue; and I want to employ science in pursuit of that. How we get to such a system is not for me to say; we can do so by choice or we can do so kicking and screaming when our precious little system all comes crashing down and we have no choice.

I echoed the same sorts of ideas before the 2007-2008 financial crisis and the idea of society hitting such a economic roadblock prior to that time was unthinkable to many. Still is. The idea of our society being unsustainable and breaking down is still inconceivable to a lot of people. So I'm basically countered by a regurgitation of knee jerk mainstream garbage. If I say, work is slavery, what do I get? 'Duh, we need to work so things are produced and services provided'. Really? Duh, you don't think? That's it? What answers does this provide? Work IS slavery, for if many don't work, they don't survive. It's a pretty accurate observation.

Look at the definition -

Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property to be bought and sold, and are forced to work

What's the difference? The employment market is exactly that, a market. Your services as an employee ARE bought (hired) and sold (retrenched). You ARE forced to work to survive. What is the difference? Not a lot. The only difference is the manner of your slavery. For your contribution, are you fed and accommodation provided for you? Or are you given the resources, i.e. money, to acquire these things for yourself? Can you choose your slave owner, aka, another employer or can you not? How does your ability to do this free you from work?

How am I wrong? I challenge anyone, on the basis of the definition that I provided, to demonstrate that work is not slavery? Take my challenge.

Want to gang up on me in this thread? The knee jerk dismissals and the put downs? Oh que será. Fine. The trouble with many of you and with society in general, as I see it, is that you ARE sheeple, as cliché as that is to say; whether you see it or want to admit to it or not. Whether you want to like it or not. It is the case; and that sucks for the people who actually want to engage in some thinking and contemplation about the way things fundamentally work. You question nothing but meaningless variations and pointless talking points within the framework of your society. It could be the framework of North Korea and it's dear leader, or Muhammad being this great prophet of Islam or America, land of the free. Everyone is brought up within a framework of this kind, and the vast majority will swallow their framework up, hook, line and sinker. From cradle to grave.

Rarely are the frameworks themselves really questioned from within, in the absence of powerful external counter influences. Instead let's talk about some irrelevant pop culture crap like what Kim Kardashian is doing this week. Or let's talk about some distracting political agenda. Or let's discuss the endless PR spin and the rhetoric and the subtle propaganda of the politicians. But never, ever question the fundamental integrity of the societal framework itself; the fundamental political, economic and cultural machinations are often beyond many to even contemplate the idea of questioning. Whatever the mainstream media drives as it's agenda, becomes your agenda. Whatever the politicians discuss becomes the things you talk about and discuss. What you base your vote on at elections. This is not 'thinking for yourself', it is thinking about things that others, with an agenda, have put in front of you to think about.

Never do you step outside and question the framework itself. You won't question democracy, because you're convinced it is infallible like a North Korean is convinced of the infallibility of dear leader. You don't question capitalism, because it is the lifeblood that supports your lifestyle, despite it's flaws, it's failures and the problems it causes for so many that don't derive benefit from it. You don't question the culture because the government, a bunch of 'experts' with contradicting theories and an inherent view of America as fundamentally righteous and noble means the 'official line' on major, controversial events should be taken as 'good enough'. Never mind doing rigorous science, never mind allowing thorough independent investigation. It is good enough for you; and cast out any and all who disagree.

So such ideas that run counter to the mainstream, the kind I present, will be denigrated by default. Always. Why? Because that's the way people are. That's the way they are raised, educated and built. That is what all societies aim to inherently produce, obedient citizenry. And because they have the inability to see things outside of the box, to properly engage in their own research and study. Because their views and opinions come as a result of being spoon fed, rather than independently sought, anyone else who stands to question the mainstream framework is cast aside, ostracised and shunned.

So that's my imagination. In contrast with the way I see things, I think that many people generally look at things, analyse things and gain their information about things from a place that represents a very sorry failure of imagination indeed.
Keep quoting the wall of text, brehs.
Sorry.



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I am not going any further into my personal financial situation. In a nutshell I do not expect to be able to get a job due to my own personal circumstances. It is difficult for someone in my situation to gain employment. I will try and I am obligated to do so, but in the meantime I have no choice but to pursue other options.

My last job ended almost a month ago. I was terminated after nearly one year of employment for failing to meet performance expectations so unrealistic and unachievable that I am currently pursuing legal recourse for it.

Let's put it this way, my aspirations are NEVER going to be met in a 9-5 menial job. I went through the motions, gaining experience, getting a degree and yet whatever did I get for it? Not a lot. I am disillusioned with the process. I would like to open up a small game development studio, this requires money, and I am simply looking for alternate ways to achieve this.

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How in the world did that come up in the Bitcoin thread? :what

benjipwns

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He's trading in bitcoins using his unemployment payments.

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Let's put it this way, my aspirations are NEVER going to be met in a 9-5 menial job. I went through the motions, gaining experience, getting a degree and yet whatever did I get for it? Not a lot. I am disillusioned with the process. I would like to open up a small game development studio, this requires money, and I am simply looking for alternate ways to achieve this.
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