Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)

[benjipwns]

Chris Zabant Heeley ‏@Zabant  1m
@NeoGAFShitPosts @polyh3dron Welp, at least thanks to that thread I now know which mods are illogical and judgemental assholes.

[Himu]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=117989015&postcount=51

If you did decide to go with the idea of something personal to him, you could try:

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The Commodore PET was the computer he bought with his graduation money after graduating from the Tokyo Institute of Technology. It's got a lovely, strong, recognisable design that would lend itself well to being filled with dozens of smaller get-well images.

[benjipwns]

LovableSaintTweeter ‏@SaintTweeter  1m
@NeoGAFShitPosts Whenever I talk about how the moderation there is a joke, shit like this makes me shake my head even more.

[SpeedStats]

i can't even begin to describe the horror that encapsulates receiving a card or personal message of any kind from a gaf nthing

opening that in front of my family on a hospital bed smh

They gave him a link to the thread to read. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=120013429&postcount=771

[Himu]

At this point, what's the point of contributing to the gaming side? I'm not seeing a point. Seems to me, the best way to navigate gaming side isn't to make threads or even participate as part of a community, because there is no community - just a random assortment of posters, outside the community forums at least - but to just look for relevant game news that appeal to your taste and close thread right then, right there.

If anyone has any option alternatives, I'd love to read them.

[TVC15]

i can't even begin to describe the horror that encapsulates receiving a card or personal message of any kind from a gaf nthing

opening that in front of my family on a hospital bed smh

How about one from 4chan?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=834288

[Himu]

i can't even begin to describe the horror that encapsulates receiving a card or personal message of any kind from a gaf nthing

opening that in front of my family on a hospital bed smh

How about one from 4chan?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=834288

[benjipwns]

At this point, what's the point of contributing to the gaming side? I'm not seeing a point. Seems to me, the best way to navigate gaming side isn't to make threads or even participate as part of a community, because there is no community - just a random assortment of posters, outside the community forums at least - but to just look for relevant game news that appeal to your taste and close thread right then, right there.

If anyone has any option alternatives, I'd love to read them.

There's only a few people who even bother to read the threads unless there's something to argue about. You can post an answer to a question and then like ten more people will ask the question because they only read the first and last 20 posts of a thread.

[Himu]

At this point, what's the point of contributing to the gaming side? I'm not seeing a point. Seems to me, the best way to navigate gaming side isn't to make threads or even participate as part of a community, because there is no community - just a random assortment of posters, outside the community forums at least - but to just look for relevant game news that appeal to your taste and close thread right then, right there.

If anyone has any option alternatives, I'd love to read them.

how about don't post on gaf

I'll send Koshiba that apology first.

[Momo]

It's a really dumb idea to kill discussion of stuff, especially if it's something distasteful. See it as an opportunity to educate people fegs. Stifling that particular discussion is like trying to get high school kids not pregnant by refusing to have sex ed classes cause it will give them ideas.

you want a hard truth?  you can't reform a pedo.  i'm not going to get into the mess of explaining why, but it's a foolish, idealistic notion.  all you can do, if as a society you want to discourage the behavior, is to shame the living fuck out of it and punish it with the hammer of thor.  you're not going to talk someone out of something as base as attraction.

I dont think any of those people are pedophiles, nor do I think playing criminal girls will lead them to being pedophiles (in a similar way to I dont think people playing manhunt are murderers or people playing rapelay are rapists). I think it's gross, but I'm not going to fuck with those folks unless they become directly problematic, just like I dont give a fig about the pony people.

[Himu]

Momo, pm coming.

[Momo]

There's a lot of racist attitudes towards products coming from Japan these days. I don't know what else to call someone judging avatars in that way, except saying that they're anti-Japanese culture.

It's not just NeoGAF. It's tons of sites on the internet, and it's a common thing for people to judge people in that way, and to put down anything from Japan.

Although this guy is probably using this for stupid reasons, it's hard to argue that the gaming community in general hasnt become very anti japanese over the last 7 years or so. It's been quite the ride to watch.

[Pickles the Firecat]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=851848

these threads give me the feeling that dudes walk around all day in I WISH A NICCA WOOOOOOOOOOULD mode

but reality is a lot more

[Kara]

GAF should have a purge month where the moderation is just like the coli ' s for a month. Minimal illegal fuckery, but just full stop free speech. Truth be told I don't think these anime fans on gaf could deal with getting styled on that hard.

So a struggle session?

So all that ribbing you give me is just some Sino-Soviet split baloney? I feel hurt and betrayed, breh.

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=851848

these threads give me the feeling that dudes walk around all day in I WISH A NICCA WOOOOOOOOOOULD mode

but reality is a lot more

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I like how the hypothetical scenario is constructed.

It's actually asking if you'd execute someone.

[benjipwns]

So a struggle session?

So all that ribbing you give me is just some Sino-Soviet split baloney? I feel hurt and betrayed, breh.

Don't play the victim nicca

It's just jokes

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I don't quite feel like boxing myself in a definite leftist ideology box yet.

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Looks like we've got a Titoist.

[cosmicblizzard]

GAF should have a purge month where the moderation is just like the coli ' s for a month. Minimal illegal fuckery, but just full stop free speech. Truth be told I don't think these anime fans on gaf could deal with getting styled on that hard.

So the two minute hate threads, but for an entire month?  That would be awesome!

[Kara]

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I don't quite feel like boxing myself in a definite leftist ideology box yet.

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Safe bet, I run into a lot of cacs that self-label as Maoist and it's most of the time.

Shit barely flew in 196X Paris, brehs.

[Himu]

Koshiba pm sent. Goddamn, I hope she reads it.

[benjipwns]

http://www.revleft.com/vb/why-am-titoist-t163681/index.html?s=b958745193dab44df0ddccbf69b77011&

Why I am a Titoist
The SFRY was the greatest socialist country to have ever existed. Under Tito's rule, its accomplishments were outstanding:

-Tito was the leader of the non-aligned movement, never becoming a pawn of the imperialist or Soviet spheres.
-People could travel freely. The Yugoslav passport was one of the best in the world.
-Tito managed to bring together all of the different nationalities of Yugoslavia under the banner of brotherhood and unity immediately following a bloody ethnic war.
-Unlike Stalin, Tito was the true successor of Marx and Lenin, attempting to create a socialist state that was actually led by the proletariat through his system of self-management.
-The Yugoslav partisans defeated the Nazis with little help from the Red Army.
-Unlike in the Soviet Union, there was little censorship of art, allowing Yugoslav cultural production to flourish.
-Tito rejected Stalin's perversion of Marxism-Leninism. Marx advocated the liberation of man, while Stalinist policies were aimed at man's repression.

Please feel free to add to this list! Let us never forget the accomplishments of comrade Josip Broz Tito.

Titoism is the name of the practical implementation of the theories of Marx and Lenin in the Yugoslav context under Josip Broz Tito, just as Stalinism refers to the implementation of Marxism-Leninism under Stalin in the USSR and the Eastern Bloc. "Stalinism," referring to the policies of Joseph Stalin, is often credited for the victories of the USSR during WWII, as Stalin was the Marshal of the Soviet Union (head of Red Army). In the same way, Titoism can be credited for the victories of the Yugoslavia during WWII because Tito was the Marshal of Yugoslavia, leading the partisans to victory.

Marxism-Leninism was indeed a term coined by Stalin in order to try to lend legitimacy and historical precedence to his policies. But, if they came back from the dead today, who do you think Marx and Lenin would actually see as better carrying out their goals and visions: Stalin or Tito?

Name one leader of a socialist country who you think has better protected political freedoms and civil liberties than Josip Broz Tito.

[Himu]

I dont think any of those people are pedophiles, nor do I think playing criminal girls will lead them to being pedophiles (in a similar way to I dont think people playing manhunt are murderers or people playing rapelay are rapists). I think it's gross, but I'm not going to fuck with those folks unless they become directly problematic, just like I dont give a fig about the pony people.

you're comparing dissimilar categories.  a murderer or a rapist is someone who has acted on their feelings.  the cp equivalent would be a child molester.  naturally, i don't think most of the people who enjoy shit like criminal girls are child molesters, or they probably wouldn't be playing it without violating their parole.

a pedophile simply refers to someone who has sexual attraction for children.  they do not have to act on it to earn that label.  it's less like a murderer or a rapist and more like a sociopath or someone with a rape fetish.  they may act on it someday, they may not.  their condition is not caused by the entertainment they consume but those people are nevertheless correlated with certain types of entertainment.

if a person is honest-to-god interested in criminal girls, which is a pretty lousy game that is only noteworthy for its lewd premise and cut-scenes, i can only conclude one of a few things about them:  (a) they are stimulated by the lewd images and are a pedophile, (b) they only own a vita and thus have no games to play and will take pretty much anything even if it involves molesting virtual children, or (c) they're fans of Niinou's who somehow haven't gotten the memo that his games are shit these days.

there's really no room for other possibilities here, and of those three options, i'm willing to bet the majority of the game's supporters are in group (a).  does this mean they will eventually molest a child?  no, of course not, just as someone who gets their rocks off on the saw movies probably won't end up torture-murdering anyone, but that doesn't mean there isn't darkness inside that noggin of theirs, and i certainly don't have to respect or tolerate it when it leaks out their mouthholes.

It's clearly A.

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http://assets1.ignimgs.com/vid/thumbnails/user/2013/10/17/criminalthumb.jpg

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[Momo]

oh yeah sorry I misspoke, they are pedophiles, I just dont think they will act out and become child molesters. For the most part, I dont want to be around them, and they are pretty easy to avoid (well harder for me since I hang out in anime communities) I dont think we need to step in and get in their faces about it and get their games banned though, they are harmless. (by my butt stat estimation)

[Kara]

omg revleft 

The amount of factionalism on that site is amazing.

[Momo]

they are harmless only in as far as they are constantly reminded that acting on their feelings is unacceptable behaviour, which is exactly why we need to step in and get in their faces about it at every opportunity. 

I just argued that we do need to get in their faces and try and pull them along (I just dont want to be the one to do it). for those who care though I think dialogue helps instead of ostracizing them, most of what I find to be a problem is the way we approach these people, as if they are criminals already

[Himu]

they are harmless only in as far as they are constantly reminded that acting on their feelings is unacceptable behaviour, which is exactly why we need to step in and get in their faces about it at every opportunity. 

I just argued that we do need to get in their faces and try and pull them along. I think dialogue helps instead of ostracizing them, most of what I find to be a problem is the way we approach these people, as if they are criminals already

Agreed.

[benjipwns]

omg revleft 

The amount of factionalism on that site is amazing.

The guy makes a good case for Tito, but can I really turn my back on Hoxha?

[Kara]

idk about you, but I'm a real American man and I prefer my Communism anti-revisionist. Brotherhood and unity? Sounds like some PC shit to me. *throws 2x4s in my truck bed* *dusts off my hands on my jeans*

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I do read a Hoxhaist newspaper regularly. Well did, it's kinda MIA for w/e reason atm.

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[benjipwns]

This guy is still mad:

Chris Zabant Heeley ‏@Zabant  16m
@Kyoufu2011 @ProfessorBeef Being basically equated to a pedophile because you are for open discussion/have an anime avatar is pretty shitty.

 Kyoufu ‏@Kyoufu2011  11m
@Zabant @ProfessorBeef I just saw TDM's post... Wtf?

 Chris Zabant Heeley ‏@Zabant  8m
@Kyoufu2011 @ProfessorBeef Mod derails a thread, other mod locks the thread because it has been derailed. GAF is a self-fulfilling prophecy

Chris Zabant Heeley @Zabant  ·  4h
Banning discussion on an ESRB approved game does seem like it sets a bad precedent. I worry for GAF.

 Chris Zabant Heeley @Zabant  ·  3h
It also shows how GAF has a serious western bias. Games with full frontal nudity = Ban. Games with crazy graphic violence & murder = A-OK!

Chris Zabant Heeley @Zabant  ·  56m
Looks like some of the GAF mods are just as shitty as the people they ban. My faith in the site just went down a peg today.

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=120149977&postcount=73

Easy, there's plenty of horrible people that my conscience will have no problem with killing if I had the chance to.

[Momo]

I think we're able to meet half way here. I agree a better option would be professional help, thats first prize. Societally speaking as you say, I believe the more you ostracize problematic behavior the more you drive their backs against the wall and the more they will just retreat further into deviance and hugboxes around the net. If they could talk about it civilly, on a non hug box site where people are constantly (yet not aggressively) letting them know this isnt normal, that has a better chance of leading them to seek help. I mean who cares about an asshole slagging you off on the net vs a person who seems to try and understand telling you perhaps you need to talk to a pro?

[Squiddy]

Anime fans take Death Note really seriously.

[Shaka Khan]

This guy is still mad:

Chris Zabant Heeley ‏@Zabant  16m
@Kyoufu2011 @ProfessorBeef Being basically equated to a pedophile because you are for open discussion/have an anime avatar is pretty shitty.

 Kyoufu ‏@Kyoufu2011  11m
@Zabant @ProfessorBeef I just saw TDM's post... Wtf?

 Chris Zabant Heeley ‏@Zabant  8m
@Kyoufu2011 @ProfessorBeef Mod derails a thread, other mod locks the thread because it has been derailed. GAF is a self-fulfilling prophecy

Chris Zabant Heeley @Zabant  ·  4h
Banning discussion on an ESRB approved game does seem like it sets a bad precedent. I worry for GAF.

 Chris Zabant Heeley @Zabant  ·  3h
It also shows how GAF has a serious western bias. Games with full frontal nudity = Ban. Games with crazy graphic violence & murder = A-OK!

Chris Zabant Heeley @Zabant  ·  56m
Looks like some of the GAF mods are just as shitty as the people they ban. My faith in the site just went down a peg today.

TDM's post was sarcastic, or so I thought, no?

[benjipwns]

TDM's post was sarcastic, or so I thought, no?

I highly doubt it was serious/malicious or anything even if not, but he sure rustled the fuck out of some jimmies.

[Kabouter]

idk about you, but I'm a real American man and I prefer my Communism anti-revisionist. Brotherhood and unity? Sounds like some PC shit to me. *throws 2x4s in my truck bed* *dusts off my hands on my jeans*

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I do read a Hoxhaist newspaper regularly. Well did, it's kinda MIA for w/e reason atm.

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No, they're also on consoles.

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Sorry

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TDM's post was sarcastic, or so I thought, no?

I highly doubt it was serious/malicious or anything even if not, but he sure rustled the fuck out of some jimmies.

I'm always surprised at how little it takes to set some people off.

[Momo]

Anime fans take Death Note really seriously.

No, thats literally only you.

i should probably point out that my views are heavily colored by being a former mental health worker in a social work office that dealt exclusively with violent/sex offenders.

What kind of treatment had the best results for these folk? (from your experience)

[Squiddy]

No idea what Oscar has experienced, but chemical castration is really the only sure-way method of helping sexual offenders.
You can do stuff to try to improve their empathy for women, aggression therapy, shit like that, but  that stuff is hit and miss.

[Momo]

Squiddy, no one is talking about sex offenders, and thats what annoys me here. These guys havent actually done anything, they're just fucked mentally.

[Squiddy]

Squiddy, no one is talking about sex offenders, and thats what annoys me here. These guys havent actually done anything, they're just fucked mentally.

Real talk:

In a better world, they would get preventive therapy that would in theory would be helpful, and ensure that they don't suffer too much due to their mental  state, which they're really not in control of - you can't cure them, you can't really even try to reduce the occurrence of thoughts.

Their thought processes at odds with what the rest of us think, they are wired in a way that barring future magical neurosurgery cannot be changed (which is why chemical castration is help, since it simply removes a means for the neuro circuitry to express itself, rendering it unused.)

"Helping them" would amount to making them accept themselves (as weird as it sounds), and help them keep those thoughts locked down as merely thoughts - not actions. Obviously, this solution doesn't really vibe with most people, because empathy with pedophiles isn't exactly high on most peeps' agendas, so they're kinda screwed.

/armchair psychologist

[Squiddy]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=851908

 

[Momo]

I've prayed, and I am not gay, success?

@Squiddy this whole situation is disheartening, as a society as of late we've been very accepting of things we havent ever been before. Not that i think pedos should be accepted, I just wish people would give it a thought beyond 'burn it with fire'. At least give some of them a tiny bit of effort as a fellow human being. (This is also why I dont give a flying fuck about a lot of things I should, I get discouraged by my own experiences [aids orphan volunteer, before you chuckle heads get the wrong idea] + the way i see people getting treated. Yes this is at odds with that I want society to be like, bit I'm embittered, leave me alone)

@Segagagaga I can see it being treated like an addiction, ala alcoholism. Has anyone ever tried to study what kind of chemicals get secreted while they think of kids? Maybe there is a suppressor. I mean if it comes down to )living with pedo urges vs b) no sex drive at all, i'm sure some would at least rather take b.

[Squiddy]

Momo, yes, there is a medical solution, it's called chemical castration.
With no sex drive, yes, they won't have inappropriate sexual thoughts.

In fact, you can receive chemical castration in multiple US states afaik, and in some states it is forced on you if you're a recidivist sex offender. But it has been criticized for being inhumane due to depriving the individuals in question of what is considered an essential human quality, and because of its inherent sexist nature (it being a prison alternative only available to males.) There's also the whole "what if you accidentally chemically castrate an innocent person? That would be cruel punishment" - and it being considered a cruel punishment by many.

[Momo]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=851908

 

People acting like they've never bummed a cigarillo before

[thisismyusername]

whoever oldkingdoran is, hes having a fit on 4chan about being permad on gaf and being called a pedo

fucking. hilarious.

Thank god you didn't post an archive since 4chun wipes by 2-4 hours after thread death. 

At this point, what's the point of contributing to the gaming side? I'm not seeing a point. Seems to me, the best way to navigate gaming side isn't to make threads or even participate as part of a community, because there is no community - just a random assortment of posters, outside the community forums at least - but to just look for relevant game news that appeal to your taste and close thread right then, right there.

If anyone has any option alternatives, I'd love to read them.

Evilore only has himself to blame for the state of gaming side. When OT's that are popular move to the community side, they drop like a rock in terms of posters and nearly discussion.

If I was a mod, I'd start "lawnmower"ing through a bunch of gaming-side threads. People want to bitch about the state of gaming side and bitch about moderation: Fuck it, might as well make the moderation have a face. I'd be the scapegoat of massive ban waves.

[Tasty]

Death Note was such a fun anime.

[Momo]

Death Note was such a fun anime.

Till episode 26 and only if you never listen to OP2

[CatsCatsCats]

Death Note was such a fun anime.

It's was pretty good, until it took that L

[king of the internet]

Goddammit how did I miss out on that amazing thread.  :'( At least I'll have some reading material at work today.

[Tasty]

L only fans

I thought the last half was great, too.

First opening is definitely better, though. But the second ending is the best song of all.

[CatsCatsCats]

Sorry dude, you're gonna have to file this with all your other bad tastes. There was no reason to keep watching after the first arc.

[Tasty]

Tension was lesser but it was still entertaining. And it was great seeing Light fall.

[Himu]

whoever oldkingdoran is, hes having a fit on 4chan about being permad on gaf and being called a pedo

fucking. hilarious.

Thank god you didn't post an archive since 4chun wipes by 2-4 hours after thread death. 

At this point, what's the point of contributing to the gaming side? I'm not seeing a point. Seems to me, the best way to navigate gaming side isn't to make threads or even participate as part of a community, because there is no community - just a random assortment of posters, outside the community forums at least - but to just look for relevant game news that appeal to your taste and close thread right then, right there.

If anyone has any option alternatives, I'd love to read them.

Evilore only has himself to blame for the state of gaming side. When OT's that are popular move to the community side, they drop like a rock in terms of posters and nearly discussion.

If I was a mod, I'd start "lawnmower"ing through a bunch of gaming-side threads. People want to bitch about the state of gaming side and bitch about moderation: Fuck it, might as well make the moderation have a face. I'd be the scapegoat of massive ban waves.

Thank you Bore for bringing me game news so I don't have to go to gaf. We need to cherish that fact more often.

Would you guys make fun of my long, detail-oriented game posts? Probably not after Slime did his n64 thread, but I always felt those posts were anti-bore.

[demi]

Nobody's stopping you from typing whatever you want.

[octopushover]

Thank you Bore for bringing me game news so I don't have to go to gaf. We need to cherish that fact more often.

Would you guys make fun of my long, detail-oriented game posts? Probably not after Slime did his n64 thread, but I always felt those posts were anti-bore.

i think they'd fit in perfectly well on a site called "the bore".

[doctavius bonbon]

Goddammit how did I miss out on that amazing thread.  :'( At least I'll have some reading material at work today.

i recommend reading wyrdwad's contributions to the thread. i don't doubt he jerks it to his own posts.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=120143479&postcount=1311

[Himu]

Thank you Bore for bringing me game news so I don't have to go to gaf. We need to cherish that fact more often.

Would you guys make fun of my long, detail-oriented game posts? Probably not after Slime did his n64 thread, but I always felt those posts were anti-bore.

i think they'd fit in perfectly well on a site called "the bore".

Hey you fuck

[Himu]

Goddammit how did I miss out on that amazing thread.  :'( At least I'll have some reading material at work today.

i recommend reading wyrdwad's contributions to the thread. i don't doubt he jerks it to his own posts.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=120143479&postcount=1311

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In the anime gaming thread, TVC posted a link to a criminal girls pic and it has the player examining an underage girls vagina with a swab or something. Who needs Grim Fandango and Silent Hill 2 when you've got Criminal Girls pushing the medium, ya know? It also serves as something you can beat your dick or schlick your clit to. Win-win.

[king of the internet]

Goddammit how did I miss out on that amazing thread.  :'( At least I'll have some reading material at work today.

i recommend reading wyrdwad's contributions to the thread. i don't doubt he jerks it to his own posts.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=120143479&postcount=1311

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My god, such much pseudo garbage in that thread. It's killing me. Why am I even reading this. 

[Momo]

L only fans

I thought the last half was great, too.

I'm going to have to disagree, and also strongly suggest that you never raise this opinion in (semi) civilized company again 

[Broseidon]

rofl

why aren't the mods nipping this in the bud and calling a spade a spade?

Because liberalism.

[Mr. Gundam]

I stopped reading that thread after 21 pages. Did anyone ever explain why they actually wanted to play Criminal Girls?