Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)

[Atramental]

Oh yeah. grap3fruitman.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=52345866&postcount=3776
What's his deal/major malfunction again?

[Rahxephon91]

If a kid complains about how much they want pizza when you can't afford it and you're having pork chops. What do you do? The kid bitches up a storm about how much they want pizza. I know what my parent did, they said screw it you don't want to eat so you don't, go to bed without food. A day with out food isn't going to starve you either. And after a couple of times of that happening, I freaking ate what was given to me.

What the heck would people do? Give into your kids? Do any of you even have children?

I feel kind of offended with Devo's accusations that a parent has failed if they hit their kids. Like what the heck does she know? But I also know I'm unable to actually argue this point so I wont.

But no going to bed without dinner or even desert is'nt starving a child, thats a bit of an extreme.

Eh I don't see the problem with hitting your kids. Call it abuse fine, but no I don't see it. Sometimes a kid needs to be smacked. Yes, I hate to use the old excuse, but no I did not come out a violent fuck, nor do I know anyone else who did. How else are you supposed to punish kids? Take their stuff away? Time out? It's all pretty useless, because even as a kid I knew those things were temporary, I was going to get that shit back or be un-grounded pretty soon anyway. The most effective things were physical punishment. Not just getting hit, but also not being feed and whatnot. Well whatever, I know this opinion is incorrect these days, but I don't see the problem and I never will. Now around my nieces I don't like to slap them crazy or go after them with a built, but yes sometimes they need to be hit on their behind or something to get them to listen.

It's pretty funny that you would defend how your parents treated you considering what you've said on this forum about your interpersonal life, dude.  I mean really. 

IMy parent's treated me fantastically and did a damn good job. Any faults I have are on me for not attempting to be better person. And besides I don't know what you're talking about or what this has to do with what I assume is the main problem which is using violence will breed more violence. I don't see that kind of discipline as abuse much less violence and whatever the number of faults I have, being a violent person is not among them. I'm not a super intelligent person, nor have a done any research on this subject beyond whats been said in a Psych 101 class, but going on anecdotal information I don't see it.

But whatever, this is why I should just stay out of this thread. It's just bad news for me.

[Smooth Groove]

Absolutely. This new generation is completely fucked for a reason, breh. People blame it on Facebook and shite but the truth is this century has been absolute shit when it comes to the discipline of children. Back in the early 00's I knew we were fucked when I saw some 13 year old sluts walking around wearing Juicy pants yapping on a cellphone their parents bought for them. You'll see in ten years when the age kids are popping out their own kids gets even lower and the younger generations get even dumber then they are now.

This planet is fucked. Starve your children.

Wouldn't taking away those idiot kids' phones be a better punishment than starving them? 

It wouldn't hurt them physically unless they're suicidal.  But if a kid is dumb enough to self-inflict harm because of a phone, it might be better for everyone to just end the pain early. 

[Steve Youngblood]

If a kid complains about how much they want pizza when you can't afford it and you're having pork chops. What do you do? The kid bitches up a storm about how much they want pizza. I know what my parent did, they said screw it you don't want to eat so you don't, go to bed without food. A day with out food isn't going to starve you either. And after a couple of times of that happening, I freaking ate what was given to me.

What the heck would people do? Give into your kids? Do any of you even have children?

The way you are conflating things here is profoundly idiotic. There's a difference between not immediately giving into a kid's desire to eat pizza and ice cream when you've prepared a good, healthy meal that they are refusing to eat, and the notion that not feeding them is an acceptable punishment. And yes, I have a kid.

[Rahxephon91]

From what I've seen, you can't really take away a phone. It's pretty much integrated into the routine. Parent's need it to keep up with their children and what not.

I always found it funny in high school they would take away your phone if you were caught using and you had to pay a fee. Which was kind of dumb for a  good portion of the student body, because it's not like the students are the one paying for it. It as the parents. And what are the parents going to do? Take away the phone? The thing they use to keep in contact with.

If a kid complains about how much they want pizza when you can't afford it and you're having pork chops. What do you do? The kid bitches up a storm about how much they want pizza. I know what my parent did, they said screw it you don't want to eat so you don't, go to bed without food. A day with out food isn't going to starve you either. And after a couple of times of that happening, I freaking ate what was given to me.

What the heck would people do? Give into your kids? Do any of you even have children?

The way you are conflating things here is profoundly idiotic. There's a difference between not immediately giving into a kid's desire to eat pizza and ice cream when you've prepared a good, healthy meal that they are refusing to eat, and the notion that not feeding them is an acceptable punishment. And yes, I have a kid.

What am I conflating exactly? Whats the difference? What would you do? Whats an acceptable punishment to you?

[StealthFan]

but jew was phone?

[Purple Filth]

M-m-m-m-meltdown

obvious joke character.

[Steve Youngblood]

What am I conflating exactly? Whats the difference? What would you do? Whats an acceptable punishment to you?

Punishment for what? Throwing a temper tantrum because I cooked something healthy instead of ordering pizza? I can see not caving to that. But refusing to feed them entirely as a threat to acting out in general? I don't know, I think there are better punishments than sending a potentially very hungry child to bed without a dinner.

[Shadow Mod]

If a kid complains about how much they want pizza when you can't afford it and you're having pork chops. What do you do? The kid bitches up a storm about how much they want pizza. I know what my parent did, they said screw it you don't want to eat so you don't, go to bed without food. A day with out food isn't going to starve you either. And after a couple of times of that happening, I freaking ate what was given to me.

What the heck would people do? Give into your kids? Do any of you even have children?

I feel kind of offended with Devo's accusations that a parent has failed if they hit their kids. Like what the heck does she know? But I also know I'm unable to actually argue this point so I wont.

But no going to bed without dinner or even desert is'nt starving a child, thats a bit of an extreme.

Eh I don't see the problem with hitting your kids. Call it abuse fine, but no I don't see it. Sometimes a kid needs to be smacked. Yes, I hate to use the old excuse, but no I did not come out a violent fuck, nor do I know anyone else who did. How else are you supposed to punish kids? Take their stuff away? Time out? It's all pretty useless, because even as a kid I knew those things were temporary, I was going to get that shit back or be un-grounded pretty soon anyway. The most effective things were physical punishment. Not just getting hit, but also not being feed and whatnot. Well whatever, I know this opinion is incorrect these days, but I don't see the problem and I never will. Now around my nieces I don't like to slap them crazy or go after them with a built, but yes sometimes they need to be hit on their behind or something to get them to listen.

It's pretty funny that you would defend how your parents treated you considering what you've said on this forum about your interpersonal life, dude.  I mean really. 

IMy parent's treated me fantastically and did a damn good job. Any faults I have are on me for not attempting to be better person. And besides I don't know what you're talking about or what this has to do with what I assume is the main problem which is using violence will breed more violence. I don't see that kind of discipline as abuse much less violence and whatever the number of faults I have, being a violent person is not among them. I'm not a super intelligent person, nor have a done any research on this subject beyond whats been said in a Psych 101 class, but going on anecdotal information I don't see it.

But whatever, this is why I should just stay out of this thread. It's just bad news for me.

How do I know it's crap ass lazy parenting that benefits no one? It's called common fucking sense and reading up a bit on child psychology/behavior. No lessons are taught to apply to future decision making or behavior. The kid just learns I do A, dad hits me or doesn't feed me dinner. And your hypothetical isn't what you originally said. If the kid refuses to eat the dinner you provide, fine send him to his room without a meal. That's not the same as just withholding food for some other bad behavior. You're pretty shit at this bro.

[Himu]

Just talking about this abuse stuff is making me well up and bring back bad memories. Out of this page.

[Phoenix Dark]

My parents spanked us, although I didn't get spanked much; overall I knew how to avoid crossing the line to a point where a spanking was the punishment.

I remember one of my brothers getting spanked hardcore by a glue stick, to a point I (as an 11-12yo kid) wanted to call the cops; in hindsight I don't think it was that drastic. I'm talking about the long glue sticks you put in a glue gun btw. IIRC I only got spanked once with that thing and realized ok, I'm not doing any stupid shit again. Way worse than a belt or switch

[Shaka Khan]

I remember teachers using those glue sticks to flog kids. Now I'm trying whether we were supposed to report them or if the school was aware, yet turned a blind eye.

[Rahxephon91]

Fine I'm wrong I don't care. But I still haven't seen anyone list any actual alternatives as to how they are supposed to punish their kids.

[Himu]

My dad would sometimes grab my shirt collar and push me on the ground and pull me up like a yo yo. I don't remember doing anything particularly bad do to deserve it either. I've been punched in the face, almost choked, and once I got beat with a belt so bad it hurt to sit for two weeks.

A glue stick? Wtf.

[Phoenix Dark]

For the record I have no problem with parents spanking their children. Beating/abusing your child is a different thing

[Himu]

Fine I'm wrong I don't care. But I still haven't seen anyone list any actual alternatives as to how they are supposed to punish their kids.

Talk to them about why they're wrong and consider alternatives. Sending a kid up to bed without dinner? Fine. Take away their stuff they like? Fine. But using violence solves nothing. Children who are beaten don't respect you for it and studies show it only results in rebellious behavior.Treating the child like an individual rather than chattle sounds like better parenting to me.

http://m.wikihow.com/Discipline-a-Child-Effectively-Without-Spanking

[Shadow Mod]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=533367

This is gonna end up a shitfest.

[brob]

my brother was a hardcore fuck-up. my parents took him to counseling.  turned out well adjusted. has an apprenticeship and a girlfriend with a drivers license and everything.

[brob]

the environment you saw people grow up in was probably one where physical discipline was a much more commonly accepted child rearing tool. Whereas I doubt there was much counseling attempted.  Striking kids is some child services shit up here.

[Dickie Dee]

Spanking is one of those things that now it's no longer the norm, the only ones left doing it are those who really shouldn't be doing it.

[Rufus]

It's always strange to hear beatings justified with "and I/they turned out fine". What's the standard for fine? Not being in jail?

Anyway, from what I've witnessed in the family most kids got their asses beat because they were either really, really irritating at the wrong time (which is just lazy) or because they actually did something bad (which is probably the most justifiable). None of them seemed to have done a whole lot with their lives because their parents weren't all that involved with teaching them how to deal with life. They just engaged in behavioural pruning. So I agree with Mamacint in a way. They could have done something more productive as far as parenting goes.

[Barry Egan]

IMy parent's treated me fantastically and did a damn good job. Any faults I have are on me for not attempting to be better person. And besides I don't know what you're talking about or what this has to do with what I assume is the main problem which is using violence will breed more violence. I don't see that kind of discipline as abuse much less violence and whatever the number of faults I have, being a violent person is not among them. I'm not a super intelligent person, nor have a done any research on this subject beyond whats been said in a Psych 101 class, but going on anecdotal information I don't see it.

People respond to corporal punishment in different ways.  The chances of your child being violent increases, but a wide range of anti-social behavior that doesn't include violence is also possible.  Maybe you should do more research instead of just assuming your parents knew what was best.

It's always strange to hear beatings justified with "and I/they turned out fine". What's the standard for fine? Not being in jail?

"the only person I'd ever hit is my own kid! therefore I turned out fine although I can't connect with anyone and love is dead."

[Flannel Boy]

not being fed huh. jesus christ. 

My parents threatened me with this a lot when I refused to eat something on the plate--which I did a lot because Polish food can get pretty gross. They never followed through.

I wouldn't try that form of punishment with a daughter.

[Brehvolution]

Some kids just need to learn the hard way. :manny

1. Doesn't like boobs. 

2. Doesn't drink.  :rudy

3. Has over $2k of Steam games and because he bought one crappy game, he wants to start a new account 

This was bound to happen.

This is like the complete opposite of me. How can you not like boobs?

[demi]

Because they're not that interesting?

[Vertigo]

Because they're not that interesting?

Boobs are interesting in theory, I've had girls with small boobs and girls with huge fucking boobs that envelop your whole head. But once you've squeezed and sucked or gotten a tit wank a couple of times they become pretty boring. 

Now ass and pussy.That's where the real parties at.

[nudemacusers]

mm a nice clean pussy and ass 

[Van Cruncheon]

Fine I'm wrong I don't care. But I still haven't seen anyone list any actual alternatives as to how they are supposed to punish their kids.

i have never had to lay a finger on my daughter. i punish her in the immediate context of the issue; i never delay it. usually, she gets her "teen" or "adult" privileges taken away: games, ipod, netflix, choosing parts of her meal, trips or other special activities. mostly my wife and i just lecture her and make her repeat what she SHOULD have done and why until SHE wants to beat US. at worst, i deploy a tactical yell or angry rant to shock her attention; my wife threatens to count, which fires up her asperger anxiety. if you pay attention to and understand your kid, you should never have to hurt them to discipline them. it takes me a split second to think of an appropriate, teachable disciplinary action for her.

[nudemacusers]

Fine I'm wrong I don't care. But I still haven't seen anyone list any actual alternatives as to how they are supposed to punish their kids.

i have never had to lay a finger on my daughter. i punish her in the immediate context of the issue; i never delay it. usually, she gets her "teen" or "adult" privileges taken away: games, ipod, netflix, choosing parts of her meal, trips or other special activities. mostly my wife and i just lecture her and make her repeat what she SHOULD have done and why until SHE wants to beat US. at worst, i deploy a tactical yell or angry rant to shock her attention; my wife threatens to count, which fires up her asperger anxiety. if you pay attention to and understand your kid, you should never have to hurt them to discipline them. it takes me a split second to think of an appropriate, teachable disciplinary action for her.

have you ever tried beating? you know, just to get a taste of the power?

[Joe Molotov]

Fine I'm wrong I don't care. But I still haven't seen anyone list any actual alternatives as to how they are supposed to punish their kids.

i have never had to lay a finger on my daughter. i punish her in the immediate context of the issue; i never delay it. usually, she gets her "teen" or "adult" privileges taken away: games, ipod, netflix, choosing parts of her meal, trips or other special activities. mostly my wife and i just lecture her and make her repeat what she SHOULD have done and why until SHE wants to beat US. at worst, i deploy a tactical yell or angry rant to shock her attention; my wife threatens to count, which fires up her asperger anxiety. if you pay attention to and understand your kid, you should never have to hurt them to discipline them. it takes me a split second to think of an appropriate, teachable disciplinary action for her.

have you ever tried beating? you know, just to get a taste of the power?

He makes his daughter play Atelier games, isn't that enough?

[Huff]

Do people still use hot glue guns? Or just use the ammo to beat their kids with ?

[fistfulofmetal]

didnt he buy his daughter a wiiu? thats enough punishment for a lifetime.

[demi]

Never was, raw dog.

[helios]

Boobs are always interesting

[Brehvolution]

Boobs are always interesting

even moreso in mah 

[nudemacusers]

Never was, raw dog.

what about these titties?
 

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[Mupepe]

Fine I'm wrong I don't care. But I still haven't seen anyone list any actual alternatives as to how they are supposed to punish their kids.

i have never had to lay a finger on my daughter. i punish her in the immediate context of the issue; i never delay it. usually, she gets her "teen" or "adult" privileges taken away: games, ipod, netflix, choosing parts of her meal, trips or other special activities. mostly my wife and i just lecture her and make her repeat what she SHOULD have done and why until SHE wants to beat US. at worst, i deploy a tactical yell or angry rant to shock her attention; my wife threatens to count, which fires up her asperger anxiety. if you pay attention to and understand your kid, you should never have to hurt them to discipline them. it takes me a split second to think of an appropriate, teachable disciplinary action for her.

Exactly this.  Having to resort to hitting your child usually means you're a pretty shitty parental figure.  This is coming from someone who got hit... a lot!  I didn't learn shit from getting hit except fear and years of resentment.  Chances are if your kid is that much of a little shit that you really want to hit them, you're failing as a parent on more levels than a simple smack can fix.  Look at yourself in the mirror and try to figure out why your kids don't respect your authority.

[demi]

Never was, raw dog.

what about these titties?
 

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Approved.

[Phoenix Dark]

Never was, raw dog.

what about these titties?
 

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[close]

Approved.

[Soyhar]

Fine I'm wrong I don't care. But I still haven't seen anyone list any actual alternatives as to how they are supposed to punish their kids.

i have never had to lay a finger on my daughter. i punish her in the immediate context of the issue; i never delay it. usually, she gets her "teen" or "adult" privileges taken away: games, ipod, netflix, choosing parts of her meal, trips or other special activities. mostly my wife and i just lecture her and make her repeat what she SHOULD have done and why until SHE wants to beat US. at worst, i deploy a tactical yell or angry rant to shock her attention; my wife threatens to count, which fires up her asperger anxiety. if you pay attention to and understand your kid, you should never have to hurt them to discipline them. it takes me a split second to think of an appropriate, teachable disciplinary action for her.

Exactly this.  Having to resort to hitting your child usually means you're a pretty shitty parental figure.  This is coming from someone who got hit... a lot!  I didn't learn shit from getting hit except fear and years of resentment.  Chances are if your kid is that much of a little shit that you really want to hit them, you're failing as a parent on more levels than a simple smack can fix.  Look at yourself in the mirror and try to figure out why your kids don't respect your authority.

This perception that a misbehaving child or a worthless adult is somehow a direct indication of failed parenting is one of the dumber things I've heard. Similar to how individuals can come out of a broken home emotionally intact and relatively successful, individuals supplied with sound parenting and every advantage in the world can ultimately succumb to becoming a fuck up. While an out of control child can be and often is a byproduct of mediocre parenting, it's by no means definitive proof. There's a reason proverbs like "there's a black sheep in every fold" exists, and that's due to the fact that sometimes there's no underlying reasons behind some individuals being a fuck up outside of the fact that they're simply fuck ups. We accept all of these predetermined genetic qualities within humans like brilliance and athleticism, so why exactly is it so controversial to believe that children are not 100% a product of their environment, and from time to time, are simply bad people?

[Brehvolution]

 
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=52349418&postcount=289

[tiesto]

Boobs are always interesting

Boobs are great because there are so many different types and sizes. From small and perky, to big and saggy, from round to pointy "banana shape", from really tiny nipples to big dinner plates... you never know what you're gonna get.

[Himu]

Phoenix

[Joe Molotov]

haha

[Shadow Mod]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=533397

What a clusterfuck. No one knows the family dynamic but she's obviously a little bitch for reporting her parents. Uhuh.

[nudemacusers]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=52349418&postcount=289

Sounds like my friend. He's gotten into some really weird situations from craigslist/backpage hookups.

[Flannel Boy]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=533397

What a clusterfuck. No one knows the family dynamic but she's obviously a little bitch for reporting her parents. Uhuh.

I don't see how the "family dynamic" is relevant unless she was abused.

[Shadow Mod]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=533397

What a clusterfuck. No one knows the family dynamic but she's obviously a little bitch for reporting her parents. Uhuh.

I don't see how the "family dynamic" is relevant unless she was abused.

Well that's my point. Her parents could have been completely awful but we don't know.

[Steve Contra]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=533550&page=2

 

[ToxicAdam]

I got my kids hooked on heroin, so when I take it away they really feel the sense of loss. It's super effective.

[Mandark]

"the only person I'd ever hit is my own kid! therefore I turned out fine."

Thank you!  "My parents hit me and I'm not violent" only works as a defense if hitting children doesn't make you violent.

I mean, I understand strategically why you'd only hit tiny people who are dependent on you, but I don't see the moral distinction.

[Mupepe]

Fine I'm wrong I don't care. But I still haven't seen anyone list any actual alternatives as to how they are supposed to punish their kids.

i have never had to lay a finger on my daughter. i punish her in the immediate context of the issue; i never delay it. usually, she gets her "teen" or "adult" privileges taken away: games, ipod, netflix, choosing parts of her meal, trips or other special activities. mostly my wife and i just lecture her and make her repeat what she SHOULD have done and why until SHE wants to beat US. at worst, i deploy a tactical yell or angry rant to shock her attention; my wife threatens to count, which fires up her asperger anxiety. if you pay attention to and understand your kid, you should never have to hurt them to discipline them. it takes me a split second to think of an appropriate, teachable disciplinary action for her.

Exactly this.  Having to resort to hitting your child usually means you're a pretty shitty parental figure.  This is coming from someone who got hit... a lot!  I didn't learn shit from getting hit except fear and years of resentment.  Chances are if your kid is that much of a little shit that you really want to hit them, you're failing as a parent on more levels than a simple smack can fix.  Look at yourself in the mirror and try to figure out why your kids don't respect your authority.

This perception that a misbehaving child or a worthless adult is somehow a direct indication of failed parenting is one of the dumber things I've heard. Similar to how individuals can come out of a broken home emotionally intact and relatively successful, individuals supplied with sound parenting and every advantage in the world can ultimately succumb to becoming a fuck up. While an out of control child can be and often is a byproduct of mediocre parenting, it's by no means definitive proof. There's a reason proverbs like "there's a black sheep in every fold" exists, and that's due to the fact that sometimes there's no underlying reasons behind some individuals being a fuck up outside of the fact that they're simply fuck ups. We accept all of these predetermined genetic qualities within humans like brilliance and athleticism, so why exactly is it so controversial to believe that children are not 100% a product of their environment, and from time to time, are simply bad people?

I said "chances are".  I didn't say every bad child is a direct result of bad parenting.  But I think you're naive if you think most aren't.  Spend 20 minutes in public with large amounts of children and see how long it takes to find an example of parents enabling bad behavior. 

Edit: Protip - There's a lot of shitty parents.  Some kids turn out wonderful despite this.  Just like some kids turn out shitty despite good parenting.  But I didn't think we were talking about exceptions.

[Squiddy]

I thought the "likes" were an april fool's joke 

[Shaka Khan]

The fact that they're not is the real prank.

[Momo]

I got my kids hooked on heroin, so when I take it away they really feel the sense of loss. It's super effective.

If I have kids, I'll Tiger Knee them on the forehead everyday and only on days that they do something worthwhile will they have respite from my SF inspired show of loving parenting.

[Rufus]

Don't ever tell them what you expect of them though, to maximize the effect.

[Momo]

Don't ever tell them what you expect of them though, to maximize the effect.

You've just upgraded my plan by a factor of 1000

[hampster]

I got my kids hooked on heroin, so when I take it away they really feel the sense of loss. It's super effective.

Its cheaper to get them hooked on a F2P MMO

If you don't do your homework you can kiss that VIP membership goodbye. Nothing gets kids high like rubbing their premium status in the face of the poor masses

[Yoritomo]

My wife and I just gently curse at our children. As we intensify our cursing our children can gauge how much trouble they're in based on word severity and correct their behavior.

[TakingBackSunday]

Saw it at SXSW. It was incredible. Everyone should see this movie.

Jane Levy is superb as the lead, if it were up to me she'd take home an Oscar for her performance. There's a lot of subtlety to her acting that's really outstanding.

....

from the Evil Dead thread.