Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)

[Himu]

god fucking damnit

why is himuro so good at walking into a stunningly embarrassing situation for someone and then one-upping his or her shame?

trash-talking the metroid series

now i've fucking seen everything

 

[brob]

Mom did. I had a launch GC.

it's rare that a person can be summed up as succinctly as this.

[thisismyusername]

Metroid Fusion was fine, you feggits. 

[Tasty]

Mom did. I had a launch GC.

it's rare that a person can be summed up as succinctly as this.

More time has passed since the launch of the GC until now, than I was alive when I got it. Bite me, old brehs.

[brob]

Metroid Fusion was fine, you feggits. 

Samus needing big daddy Adam to open doors for her, telling her what to do & shit? Samus having alone-time in elevators to narrate about how great adam and his military mind was? Game being point-to-point linear?

 

[benjipwns]

I'm actually accepting and understanding about anyone saying any Metroid game is their favorite except Hunters.

[Himu]

Metroid Fusion was fine, you feggits. 

Game is okay, but as a Metroid game?

[Tasty]

I'm actually accepting and understanding about anyone saying any Metroid game is their favorite except Hunters.

You didn't even buy it.

[thisismyusername]

Metroid Fusion was fine, you feggits. 

Samus needing big daddy Adam to open doors for her, telling her what to do & shit? Samus having alone-time in elevators to narrate about how great adam and his military mind was? Game being point-to-point linear?

 

Point-to-point linear was fine with what it was doing. Yes, Adam and the story is a problem. But the gameplay and being hunted by SA-X? Decent.

I wouldn't rank it up there highly, but it's far from that ya'll rank it to be.

Zero Mission/the Metroid remake was the better GBA outing, yes. But that doesn't mean Fusion was terrible.

[Himu]

Didn't say Fusion was terrible. It was a fun game. But as a Metroid game it's lacking.

[Phoenix Dark]

people who want to add multiplayer to metroid deserve a public shaming

Hunters is my favorite Metroid

I've never played a 2D Metroid and even I know this is some shameful shit.

[Positive Touch]

this whole page is fucking embarrassing

himu and fandrex please attend a self-respect seminar, or barring that, please never share your opinions again

[brob]

I wouldn't rank it up there highly, but it's far from that ya'll rank it to be.

Zero Mission/the Metroid remake was the better GBA outing, yes. But that doesn't mean Fusion was terrible.

Fusion is the game that retroactively suffers most from Other M existing, since they share some of the same issues regarding narrative/structure. But even disregarding that*, the couple of (admittedly cool) scenes with SA-X doesn't manage to carry the entire game. Perfunctory stuff.

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*we aren't disregarding it, so

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[Himu]

Okay, if my opinion is so bad, name more than three great Metroid games that aren't Super, Zero Mission, and Prime. Everything else is alright to blech.

I can see why you guys feel that way about Metroid. But that's how I feel about Zelda. I like every Zelda I've played aside from 2.

[Positive Touch]

ok, you named the three classics in the series. outside of hunters and other m, every other metroid is a solid B. eat my unshaven balls

zeldas are fine but they have suffered heavily from... uh... whats the word im looking for... whatever the right way of saying un-innovativeness is

[Himu]

Really? I'd say in terms of numbers, Zelda has far more innoative titles over time, than Metroid has. Metroid tends to recycle the same moves and weapons in very, very similar locations. Zelda at least switches it up on a more consistent basis. If any Nintendo franchise is "un-innovative" it's got to be Metroid, and I like Metroid.

[Positive Touch]

every zelda is lttp

all of them

[Himu]

But most Metroids are Metroid 1. Practically all of them.

[Tasty]

The ramifications of Pokemon's popularity at play.

Pokemon is the only Nintendo franchise I deeply care about at this point. Marios get 30 hours, Zeldas get 60 hours, Pokemans get 300+ hours.

Pokemon's also the most consistent Nintendo series to boot. So good. Probably the only game I could play forever (maybe MH, too.)

[Positive Touch]

But most Metroids are Metroid 1. Practically all of them.

yeah well so is your face

[benjipwns]

Really? I'd say in terms of numbers, Zelda has far more innoative titles over time, than Metroid has. Metroid tends to recycle the same moves and weapons in very, very similar locations. Zelda at least switches it up on a more consistent basis. If any Nintendo franchise is "un-innovative" it's got to be Metroid, and I like Metroid.

There's ten total Metroid games over almost 30 years. One's a remake, one's a 1991 GameBoy game, two are direct sequels within four years, and one's an elevated fan fiction.

[Himu]

Instead of fighting, let's agree to disagree. Can we agree that most Nintendo franchises are creatively stagnant and rely on nostalgia? 

[Positive Touch]

Pokemon's also the most consistent Nintendo series to boot.

if you wanna talk about aversion to innovation...

[Tasty]

every zelda is lttp

all of them

Majora?

[Tasty]

Pokemon's also the most consistent Nintendo series to boot.

if you wanna talk about aversion to innovation...

Innovate too much and you get Other M. Better safe than sorry.

[Joe Molotov]

Zelda has far more innoative titles.

Metroid tends to recycle the same moves and weapons

I can't...

[Himu]

Really? I'd say in terms of numbers, Zelda has far more innoative titles over time, than Metroid has. Metroid tends to recycle the same moves and weapons in very, very similar locations. Zelda at least switches it up on a more consistent basis. If any Nintendo franchise is "un-innovative" it's got to be Metroid, and I like Metroid.

There's ten total Metroid games over almost 30 years. One's a remake, one's a 1991 GameBoy game, two are direct sequels, and one's an elevated fan fiction.

Sure, and compare Super to Metroid 1 and Prime to Metroid 1. Super has a better UI and a map, and it's a bit more bombastic, but for the most part they're structurally similar. There's ten games, but they're also so damn similar. Compare Zelda 1 to LTTP, or Zelda 1 to Majora's Mask, compare Zelda 1 to Twilight Princess or Wind Waker. These games play so differently despite their similarities. Ten Metroid's over 30 years and they're still so similar actually makes it worse.

[benjipwns]

for the most part they're structurally similar.

And all the Mortal Kombat's have two dudes standing across from each other. That's kinda the point.

[archie4208]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=101236217&postcount=144

[Tasty]

Most consistently the same game, maybe.

Don't care. What they add every game is more than enough to keep me coming back.

Paying attention to how GF have evolved the competitive-friendly part of the series, from Sapphire through Pearl, White, and Y makes me incredibly excited about the future of the series. Can't say that about Mario, Zelda, or Metroid.

On the other side of the JRPG fence you have Dragon Quest MMO and Final Fantasy 13. I'm confident in my preference of Pokemon's method of iteration.

[Positive Touch]

awful words

an apt comparison would be metroid-super-prime -> zelda-lttp-oot

original - 16bit refinement to perfection - conservative update to 3d

[Tasty]

awful words

an apt comparison would be metroid-super-prime -> zelda-lttp-oot

original - 16bit refinement to perfection - conservative update to 3d

What Prime has over Ocarina is that it came out a whole gen later, with all the refinements that provides. At the very least I can say Retro nailed the polish and graphical aspect of Prime, and for what used to be a trash developer pre-Prime, that's really quite a remarkable achievement.

[doctavius bonbon]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=101236217&postcount=144

good lord, he went ham on his post history.

[benjipwns]

and for what used to be a trash developer pre-Prime, that's really quite a remarkable achievement.

Isn't this kinda like saying Valve was a trash developer before Half-Life?

[Tasty]

I should probably have said pre-Miyamoto. Prime looked like garbage before he got involved.

Make 5 games at the same time as a newly founded studio, brehs.

[Yulwei]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=101236217&postcount=144

god damn. stump annihilated that ninthing


Also, Metroid Primes > All others 

[Himu]

awful words

an apt comparison would be metroid-super-prime -> zelda-lttp-oot

original - 16bit refinement to perfection - conservative update to 3d

i don't find that a fair comparison because metroid skipped an entire generation.

[benjipwns]

I should probably have said pre-Miyamoto. Prime looked like garbage before he got involved.

Prime didn't exist before he got involved:

"And all of a sudden, Mr. Miyamoto said, 'How about Metroid?' So that was Mr. Miyamoto's idea to have Retro focus solely on Metroid. As I remember, one of the four titles that I mentioned was a first-person shooter project and Mr. Miyamoto thought we could use the game engine from that."

And Valve essentially scrapped Half-Life and started over with just a level that had all the various gameplay elements in it because that development was such a mess. (And even after that it was.)

[Broseidon]

Make extensive careposts about Nintendo franchises brehs

[Your Stalker]

[Tasty]

I should probably have said pre-Miyamoto. Prime looked like garbage before he got involved.

Prime didn't exist before he got involved:

"And all of a sudden, Mr. Miyamoto said, 'How about Metroid?' So that was Mr. Miyamoto's idea to have Retro focus solely on Metroid. As I remember, one of the four titles that I mentioned was a first-person shooter project and Mr. Miyamoto thought we could use the game engine from that."

And Valve essentially scrapped Half-Life and started over with just a level that had all the various gameplay elements in it because that development was such a mess. (And even after that it was.)

You know what I meant. Miyamoto may have given them the idea but he wasn't happy with how they were making it (or any of their other games), so he stepped in to help with design and they cancelled all their other titles.

But anyways you're trying to debate a point I don't really care about. Take the W.

[benjipwns]

I'm just questioning the common notion that Retro's problem was their lacking the "Nintendo Magic" which Miyamoto provided from his bag and made them inherently great instead of the blatantly horrific mismanagement of the company as personified by Spangenberg himself.

I'll give myself half a point in my spreadsheet on the "Andrex" row though.

[etiolate]

Deride Metroid for lack of change and divergence

CONSTANTLY PRAISE ANIMAL CROSSING AND POKEMON

[Tasty]

Miyamoto did save Retro from itself, by every single credible account. But whatever. Miyamoto can be blamed for a lot of things, like Wii Music. But he should also get credit for the cool things he did.

[Tasty]

Deride Metroid for lack of change and divergence

CONSTANTLY PRAISE ANIMAL CROSSING AND POKEMON

For the record I never said Metroid's problem is that it's not innovative or whatever. I just don't find the series' gameplay very compelling.

[etiolate]

Deride Metroid for lack of change and divergence

CONSTANTLY PRAISE ANIMAL CROSSING AND POKEMON

For the record I never said Metroid's problem is that it's not innovative or whatever. I just don't find the series' gameplay very compelling.

=/

The series' gameplay is basically all the pillars of game design refined down to nigh-perfection.

[benjipwns]

Miyamoto did save Retro from itself, by every single credible account. But whatever. Miyamoto can be blamed for a lot of things, like Wii Music. But he should also get credit for the cool things he did.

Yeah, but by canning extraneous projects and focusing them on a single one while pushing out the caustic management figures. Which is less Miyamoto/Nintendo Magic than pretty standard MBA type stuff.

In a way, Retro's business plan worked as intended. Make a bunch of shoddy prototypes, get one picked up and get bought out. A classic Metroid game being made is kinda an accident of history and circumstance.

[Tasty]

Deride Metroid for lack of change and divergence

CONSTANTLY PRAISE ANIMAL CROSSING AND POKEMON

For the record I never said Metroid's problem is that it's not innovative or whatever. I just don't find the series' gameplay very compelling.

=/

The series' gameplay is basically all the pillars of game design refined down to nigh-perfection.

It's just not my thing. I really tried to like the series.

Every couple years I give it another shot. Maybe one of these times I'll come to my senses. Until then, Hunters is still my favorite game in the series.

[etiolate]

Speaking of dumb statements regarding Metroid

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=770828

NOBODY KNOWS WHAT A GENRE SWITCH IS

Only legit answers are Dune and Dynasty Warriors. Completely different genres from first game to second game.

[Tasty]

Donkey Kong is a good answer though. Unless you consider the Country games an entirely different series.

[Rufus]

I still remember that Dynasty Warriors demo.

I've seen people refer to Samus as "Metroid" in Nintendo threads on GAF lately, so I'm not sure why these last few pages surprised me.

To be fair, they could be joking. The screenshot of that guy on the Miiverse asking why "Metroid can't crouch" or something made the rounds.

[benjipwns]

i feel like there's a really good example right on the tip of my tongue but I can't come up with it.

Oddworld?

SWAT went from like an adventure game to RTS to FPS.

[TakingBackSunday]

late, but:

Prime > Super Metroid > Prime 3 > Zero Mission > Fusion > Prime 2 > Other M > Metroid II > Metroid > Hunters

And for no good fucking reason:

ZELDA:

MM > Oracle games > OoT > Link Between Worlds > LA > Twilight Princess > Skyward Sword > FSA > Minish Cap > Wind Waker > ST > Zelda 1 > PH > Zelda 2

MARIO:

SMW > Galaxy 2 > Galaxy 1 > SMB3 > Mario 64 > Yoshi's Island > SMB3DW > SMB2 > Sunshine > NSMBW > SMB3DL > NSMBU > NSMB > SMB

Donkey Kong:

DKCR > DKC2 > DK64 > DKC > DKC3

[Tasty]

Kid Icarus is a good example. Standard 2D platformer to... whatever the hell Uprising was. Rails shooter? Mash em up? Trading card game?

[MartinLutherVandross]

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=101245751

Will NeoGaf ever learn that Amazon for day one video game arrivals is the most unreliable way to get the game day one? Even with Prime.

[benjipwns]

More like Amazon Crime amirite?

[Vertigo]

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=101245751

Will NeoGaf ever learn that Amazon for day one video game arrivals is the most unreliable way to get the game day one? Even with Prime.

 I've found at least UK wise that Amazon is OK for day one delivery. Even when ordering fairly late in the Day.

[thisismyusername]

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=101236217&postcount=144

Stump.

[king of the internet]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=770156&page=18 more nba gaf drama...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=101258486&postcount=861

Sounds about right. Someone please come smother me in my sleep if I ever catch that many feelings over an internet message board.

[Great Rumbler]

Look, guys, he's been patient up to this point, and I think that's admirable, but you've really been going overboard with insults and mean-spiritedness. I think it's time to reign things in and admit that you're in the wrong here, a couple apologies and this will all blow over.