LGBTQIAHP thread for LGBTQIAHP people. Cis scum now allowed!

[Junpei the Tracer!]

So yeah it a trans thread.  Post whatever.

[Broseidon]

inb4 Maurice

[Himu]

I have been waiting 4-5 months to get an appointment at an informed consent location in Houston. Scheduled appointment for hrt in January, like on Jan 3 or some shit and the appointment was set to March 13. I went and filled in the paperwork, doc couldn't see me! Guess what, my NEW appointment is set for May 8!

Bullshit!

So on March 13 I ordered anti androgen and estrogen online. I've been taking spironolactone for three weeks and started estrofem this week sublingually. I know it is dangerous and I'm stopping.g asap due to that even though I don't want to because I'm tired of waiting to get treatment.

4 months of therapy, almost five months of waiting for a measly appointment and I still don't have hormones via prescription.

WHY?!

[Van Cruncheon]

let's see some dickuses, ladies! hike dem skirts!

[Himu]

Junpei I researched what it takes to change gender marker on ID in Texas and there's some trans judge who charges 2000 to change it. Fucking Texas. What's the law in California, like 500 bux?

[Junpei the Tracer!]

Uh it's around 400 dollars here. Depending on your financial situation you can get it waived and it would be free.

[Polari]

How much does this shit cost in the US all up?

[Himu]

Uh it's around 400 dollars here. Depending on your financial situation you can get it waived and it would be free.

 Jesus Christ.

[Himu]

How much does this shit cost in the US all up?

All up? Wtf does that even mean?

[Polari]

How much does this shit cost in the US all up?

All up? Wtf does that even mean?

All up as in everything. How much does it cost to become a woman? I think it's free here if you do therapy or whatever.

[Himu]

I went to 12 50 dollar sessions for therapy. Many and most transgender related stuff, from therapy to hormones are not covered in many insurance plans so we have to pay out of pocket. Luckily there are a lot of resources for people. The center I went to was for lgbt people specifically.l so they had a sliding scale.

Then there's the matter of obtaining hormones. Hormone prices range from the type but you can get a cheap prescription at Wal Mart pretty cheap.

Rebuying a ward drobe? Hundreds, maybe thousands. Make up? Can be expensive.but you can get a good starter set of materials for less than 100 going to Wall Mart. If you want the more better and top end stuff like MAC expect to.pay a pretty price. Like 30 for a foundation brush.

Changing gender marker on ids depends on the state. Some have it for free or a few hundred, in Texas you have to show proof from a doc and even that ain't guaranteed due to bigot judges. So a lot of people on Tejas go through a transgender judge who WILL do it for you for a fee - that's 2000. Some backwards states require you to have grs (gender reassignment surgery) in order simply change the marker.

Changing your name...ah, much more of.a pain than an expense.

Changing birth certificate...again, state dependent.

Female Facial Surgery can be hefty priced. But it isn't required.

Srs a lot of people go to Thailand for that.

It is certainly isn't cheap. Welcome to the most maligned group in Amerikkka Polari.

[Polari]

Damn, I'm surprised the gender marker things cost so much. Seems like discrimination right there, because surely the administration cost is nowhere near that. In the UK I think you can get almost all the medical side including prescriptions and operations on the NHS.

I reckon I could make my existing wardrobe work though. It's mostly a bunch of oversized tops, plaid shirts and skinny jeans. I'd just need some new coats.

[Phoenix Dark]

Hey Junpei

[nudemacusers]

finally. I've been slowly moving from ios to android. not easy. 

but srs, y'alls have my support.

[Himu]

Oh right. 2000-3000 dollars foe elecrtroalysis or laser hair removal depending on how much facial hair you have.

[Himu]

Damn, I'm surprised the gender marker things cost so much. Seems like discrimination right there, because surely the administration cost is nowhere near that. In the UK I think you can get almost all the medical side including prescriptions and operations on the NHS.

I reckon I could make my existing wardrobe work though. It's mostly a bunch of oversized tops, plaid shirts and skinny jeans. I'd just need some new coats.

The Texas judge IS trans. She just does it because she can and because it means she sees a lot of green.

[Positive Touch]

Oh right. 2000-3000 dollars foe elecrtroalysis or laser hair removal depending on how much facial hair you have.

fuck laser hair that shit is a scam

[Himu]

Polari Ts roadmap has a great list of states and their laws.

http://www.tsroadmap.com/reality/legalindex.html

[Junpei the Tracer!]

laser has actually very well for me. Today was 4th laser session coincidentally. Aside from hair on my upper lip and some other sparse hair, I didn't need to shave until today.

[Himu]

I go back and forth about doing laser during transition or before.

[Polari]

Polari Ts roadmap has a great list of states and their laws.

http://www.tsroadmap.com/reality/legalindex.html

Interesting, cheers. I'd never really thought about how much work it can be from a legal perspective.

[recursivelyenumerable]

Is it possible to be a double transsexual? Like you turned your penis into a vagina and then used that vagina to make a new penis (note: not restore the original penis, important distinction)

[Phoenix Dark]

Is it possible to be a double transsexual? Like you turned your penis into a vagina and then used that vagina to make a new penis (note: not restore the original penis, important distinction)

Like it Fire Emblem when you turn a mage into a cleric, then transform it into a battle cleric?

[Positive Touch]

laser has actually very well for me. Today was 4th laser session coincidentally. Aside from hair on my upper lip and some other sparse hair, I didn't need to shave until today.

hope it keeps up for you! mine came back; thinner but still there.

[Himu]

Electro is said to be better.

[brawndolicious]

Is it possible to be a double transsexual? Like you turned your penis into a vagina and then used that vagina to make a new penis (note: not restore the original penis, important distinction)

Cosmetically, it always seems to be easier to make a penis into a vagina since you just invert it, so technically you're just inverting the finger or whatever they use so I think a F2M2F could work.

Regaining a fully functional penis that can make itself erect seems harder (lol).

[G The Resurrected]

providing this ain't a joke thread, you guys or shall I say gals? have my support. That's some serious stuff to go through. I'd like to know more of how you came to finding out your sexual identity as women trapped in a man's body. I've always wondered how that happens, is it sudden or something that brews inside for some period of time?

None the less I wish you all the best of luck on your journey to the life you want to live.

(sense of humor check)
And Himu does this mean I'm the only Garrett on the bore now? 

[Yeti]

In these days of a post-gendered society, what is the point of going through the surgery to transition? These days boys can wear pink and play with dolls. Girls can wear pants and play with trucks. The lines between genders are becoming more and more blurred to the point where it doesn't matter anymore. To get the surgery almost seems like a regression, like you are saying only people with female genitalias should be allowed to wear dresses and wear makeups. Why do you feel the need to have surgery to get a vagina and breasts so that "you" can feel like "you"? It just seems like a lot of money and pain (physical and emotional) when you could present yourself and act however you wanted even without it.

[recursivelyenumerable]

From early child hood i always thought dolls AND trucks were dumb

[recursivelyenumerable]

But in my opinion more energy should be put into inventing entirely NEW and innovative sexes and genitals vs just more combinations and variations of the existing ones

[Flannel Boy]

I wouldn't even consider becoming a female unless I could become a six--and I'm not talking about a Winnipeg 6. Life is easier as an unattractive man.

[Himu]

providing this ain't a joke thread, you guys or shall I say gals? have my support. That's some serious stuff to go through. I'd like to know more of how you came to finding out your sexual identity as women trapped in a man's body. I've always wondered how that happens, is it sudden or something that brews inside for some period of time?

None the less I wish you all the best of luck on your journey to the life you want to live.

(sense of humor check)
And Himu does this mean I'm the only Garrett on the bore now? 

For one thing it is gender identity, has nothing to do with anything sexual.

I'm not using the woman trapped in a man's body cliche because frankly it isn't true and it is a crock of shit. I'm doing this BECAUSE I want to be womanly and the only means to do that is to transition. For me, it comes about from puberty. I hate all of my male features, they are gross and disgusting and make me feel ugly.

However my female featured - my chest, my legs, my hips - are all a source of pride and adoration. Normally this wouldn't be a problem right? So what? You look in the mirror and hate some physical features. Everyone goes through that. The difference between transsexual people and others is that we have intense depression, pain, and discomfort from just small things, whether it is clothes or interests or even the physical that about this crap.

It helps that I never felt like I belong when I chat with and hang out with men. I feel more at home and natural and I don't have put on a stupid front of masculinity, and I can be myself around women. I identify with women far more than men to the point where I get angry if the rest of the girls don't include me. This probably extends from my childhood as I didn't hang out with boys and make boy friends until the 2nd grade. Before that all my friends were girls, aside from the occasional toy like Ninja Turtles I'd play with girl toys, I've never owned a GI Joe. I have owned a Care Bear and a My Little Pony doll from when I was little.

I'd still partake in this forbidden fruit when I was 9 and 10. I'd join the girls and tie my shirt in a knot at the bottom and play with them. I knew full well it wasn't something boys did and I did it anyways.

In my case, I'm not going to say I always knew but I've always preferred certain company, acted a specific way that boys didn't but none of that is really relevant and none of it makes me trans. Because in now, looking at my body hair makes me want to rip it all off and throw it down the toilet. I'm sick of looking at other girls and getting jealous. I'm sick of having to repress my emotions and how I feel and how I want to be because "guys don't do that." I'm sick of giving a fuck.

[Yeti]

You don't actually think we're anywhere near a post-gender society, do you? Or post-racial, for that matter either.

Of course I don't think that, but I do kind of think that is the ideal that society is heading towards, maybe in a few thousand or million years (if society lasts that long) society will be gender blind where men, women, and other can present themselves and act however they wanted. But it was a poor choice of words because they shouldn't be caring what society of thinks of them anyways, only how they think of themselves. I guess I'm just not understanding what it means for them to identify as "female". Does it mean wearing dresses, and having sex with men? To me that seems sexist to think those things are only in the domain of women. Does it just come down to your anatomy? This doesn't seem right to me either, because I would imagine even if they were just a floating consciousness devoid of any body at all that they would still identify as female. What exactly is this "femaleness" that they are aspiring to that they feel they can get through surgery? I hope I am able to get across what I'm trying to say, it is hard to put into words.

[Himu]

In these days of a post-gendered society, what is the point of going through the surgery to transition? These days boys can wear pink and play with dolls. Girls can wear pants and play with trucks. The lines between genders are becoming more and more blurred to the point where it doesn't matter anymore. To get the surgery almost seems like a regression, like you are saying only people with female genitalias should be allowed to wear dresses and wear makeups. Why do you feel the need to have surgery to get a vagina and breasts so that "you" can feel like "you"? It just seems like a lot of money and pain (physical and emotional) when you could present yourself and act however you wanted even without it.

There is zero evidence to suggest any of this. If we were in a post-gender world the next time someone here comments on a woman having man hands or saying that's a guy, I'll link it you. Also, this has virtually nothing to do with genitals. And I don't give a fuck if some girl is playing with a Tonka.

[Yeti]

In these days of a post-gendered society, what is the point of going through the surgery to transition? These days boys can wear pink and play with dolls. Girls can wear pants and play with trucks. The lines between genders are becoming more and more blurred to the point where it doesn't matter anymore. To get the surgery almost seems like a regression, like you are saying only people with female genitalias should be allowed to wear dresses and wear makeups. Why do you feel the need to have surgery to get a vagina and breasts so that "you" can feel like "you"? It just seems like a lot of money and pain (physical and emotional) when you could present yourself and act however you wanted even without it.

There is zero evidence to suggest any of this. If we were in a post-gender world the next time someone here comments on a woman having man hands or saying that's a guy, I'll link it you. Also, this has virtually nothing to do with genitals. And I don't give a fuck if some girl is playing with a Tonka.

I am sorry I have offended you, that was certainly not my intent. I am just trying to understand trans people better. When I come across someone with a different viewpoint than myself, I try to understand them by mentally trying to put myself in their shoes and see what reasonings they are using to come to their viewpoint. I am just trying to understand your viewpoint better by trying to get some clarifications on your reasonings. Your previous post helped some with that to see where you are coming from. But a person can never 100% understand another's viewpoint completely, it is a continual process to gain more and more understanding. But I will cease with my questioning because I do not want to upset you further.

[Himu]

Huh? I'm not offended. I just find the notion of a post gender society odd.

[Himu]

Yeti, read Whipping Girl.

“I am rather disturbed by the fact that so many people—who are neither medical professionals nor trans themselves—would want to hear all of the gory details regarding transsexual physical transformations, or would feel that they have any right to ask us about the state of our genitals.”

"Until feminists work to empower femininity and pry it away from the insipid, inferior meanings that plague it - weakness, helplessness, fragility, passivity, frivolity, and artificiality - those meanings will continue to haunt every person who is female and/or feminine.”

“Many of us reject all of the inferior meanings and connotations that others project onto femininity - that it is weak, artificial, frivolous, demure, and passive - because for us, there has been no act more bold and daring than embracing our own femininity. In a world that is awash in antifeminine sentiment, we understand that embracing and empowering femininity can potentially be one of the most transformative and revolutionary acts imaginable.”

"While there has been extensive feminist analysis examining the ways in which women are sexualized in the media, such work has typically ignored media depictions of trans women. In fact, some feminists even seem to accept at face value media stereotypes of trans women as hyperfeminine and wishing to be sexualized—a rather illogical position given their own critiques of how images of women and other sexual minorities are typically distorted and mischaracterized by a predominantly straight-male-centric media. However, it's a mistake for cissexual women to view depictions of trans women as having little to do with themselves, as they are so obviously meant to dismiss both transsexuality and femaleness. After all, in a world where women are regularly reduced to objects of male desire, it's no accident that trans women—the only people in our society who actively choose to become women and who actively fight for their right to be recognized as female—are almost universally depicted in a purely sexualized manner."

"Mass media images of "biological males" dressing and acting in a feminine manner could potentially challenge mainstream notions of gender, but the way they are generally presented in these feminization scenes ensures that this never happens. The media neutralizes the potential threat that trans femininities pose to the category of "woman" by playing to the audience’s subconscious belief that femininity itself is artificial. After all, while most people assume that women are naturally feminine, they also (rather hypocritically) require them to spend an hour or two each day putting on their faces and getting all dressed up in order to meet societal standards for femininity (unlike men, whose masculinity is presumed to come directly from who he is and what he does). In fact, it’s the assumption that femininity is inherently "contrived", "frivolous", and "manipulative" that allows masculinity to always come off as "natural", "practical", and "sincere" by comparison."

None of this sounds post gender to me.

[Shadow Mod]

Boys/men can't really play with what they want or dress how they want on the same level of girls/women.

Also I think yeti isn't realizing it's a body dismorphic issue not an interests one. Although some trans people on the internet will try to back their choice up about how they like x, y and z. It can be quite contradictory to the idea that gendered interests are socialized and it can make "women" into a very narrow definition.

[Himu]

http://m.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/04/transgender-rights-gay-marriage-doma.html

[brob]

Commonwealth Independent States. aka Poland and other shitheaps that got fucked by USSR and are still complaining about it.

Transpersons have coopted it to now mean "on the same side [as]" or "on this side [of]", harkening back to it's uncivilized latin origin as a prefix used in chemistry and whatever.

[Yeti]

Boys/men can't really play with what they want or dress how they want on the same level of girls/women.

Also I think yeti isn't realizing it's a body dismorphic issue not an interests one. Although some trans people on the internet will try to back their choice up about how they like x, y and z. It can be quite contradictory to the idea that gendered interests are socialized and it can make "women" into a very narrow definition.

I considered it being just a body dysmorphic thing, but to me that made it seem more like a mental issue needing to be "cured" which I don't feel is the case with trans people. Like people with anorexia you don't encourage to keep starving themselves, you want them to get mental help to be comfortable with their body how they are, but trans people seem different to me. I don't know, it made me think a lot of those people who try to "cure" homosexuals to me, so I just felt there was something more to being trans than just body dysmorphia.

[Human Snorenado]

What does CIS mean?

Himuro, given your knack at trying radically different things but not sticking with them, are you worried you won't want to be a woman in the future?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cis

I think that a lot of Himuro's soul searching stuff stems from the larger gender identity issue.  I support you and your decision, buddy.

I'm still going to give you shit for liking Shenmue no matter what your gender identity is, though.

[Don Flamenco]

where does the "cis" prefix come from?   always wondered that.   

cool that this is becoming more acceptable for those going through with it these days.   Its a shame other people feel the need to infringe on that when its none of their bees wax.   Shit like that won't happen in the bit coin fueled libertopian future. 

[Himu]

What does CIS mean?

Himuro, given your knack at trying radically different things but not sticking with them, are you worried you won't want to be a woman in the future?

What all have I tried that is radically different? I'm really NOT that flaky. I tried to be religious, i tried to be spiritual, and I realized it wasn't for me and I was someone who I'm not, trying to make concession after concession and making room for my own philosophical dilemna in the midst of religiosity. Are you suggesting that trying to understand ones spirituality isn't something every human goes through? Yes for many it is a simple answer. For me it wasn't. Why is that hard to understand?

As for gender, no not really because it consumes me. Normal people do not feel like this. I have done months of therapy, and therapists try to find ways to make you happier and identify the problems. My gender dissonance is very real. This isn't down to personal preference like spirituality, this comes.down to how my brain thinks. Why in the world would I "give up on being a woman?" Do you realize how long it takes to even acquire hormones? Jumping through hoops just to Acquire treatment is a good test on your patience and dedication. Most transsexuals don't regret it. "You'll regret it" is one of the common anti trans lines and it always stems from ignorance.

However the thought of regret passes me mind every day. A big reason I didn't do anything about this for so long is because "I can never be sure, and this will probably go away." It never did. At this point, I'm scared. But one of my favorite quotes is "being brave is being scared shitless and doing it anyways."

[Raban]

where does the "cis" prefix come from?   always wondered that.   

cool that this is becoming more acceptable for those going through with it these days.   Its a shame other people feel the need to infringe on that when its none of their bees wax.   Shit like that won't happen in the bit coin fueled libertopian future.

It's a scientific term.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender#Origins

[brob]

where does the "cis" prefix come from?   always wondered that.   

I answered that on the first page. Don't anyone read my posts. I really try you know. :'(

[Himu]

Boys/men can't really play with what they want or dress how they want on the same level of girls/women.

Also I think yeti isn't realizing it's a body dismorphic issue not an interests one. Although some trans people on the internet will try to back their choice up about how they like x, y and z. It can be quite contradictory to the idea that gendered interests are socialized and it can make "women" into a very narrow definition.

I considered it being just a body dysmorphic thing, but to me that made it seem more like a mental issue needing to be "cured" which I don't feel is the case with trans people. Like people with anorexia you don't encourage to keep starving themselves, you want them to get mental help to be comfortable with their body how they are, but trans people seem different to me. I don't know, it made me think a lot of those people who try to "cure" homosexuals to me, so I just felt there was something more to being trans than just body dysmorphia.

No you're right. GID is the diagnosis, hormones is the cure.

[Himu]

Biz read this thread on trans regret.

http://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/qlk8v/how_do_you_transition_without_regret_what_are/

http://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/11cj2m/will_i_regret_transition_mtf_possible_trans_16yr/

http://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/y316d/possibility_of_regret/

[Raban]

Here's another well-done article covering the same topic
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/3066/are-transsexuals-mentally-ill

[brob]

On the subject of trans regret. Danielle Bunten Berry, who developed M.U.L.E. back in the day, wrote this:

http://web.archive.org/web/20110725030149/http://www.anticlockwise.com/dani/personal/changes/dont.htm

not regret per se, rather an attempt at dissuasion. 

[Himu]

Brob read the first link in my edit. It mentioned Danielle.

[Don Flamenco]

where does the "cis" prefix come from?   always wondered that.   

I answered that on the first page. Don't anyone read my posts. I really try you know. :'(

whoops, sorry.  i had just woken up

[Himu]

Woke up this morning with the biggest appetite! Need to take my estrogen immediately. The first change I've noticed from E is my appetite. I get hungry WAY more often! But I eat much, MUCH less! Yesterday I ate a lunch at 3. I was starving at 7. I was never this hungry during my first puberty. Maybe it has to do with the fact that doctors don't think I finished growing...

Doesn't matter.

ESTROGEN!    this shit makes you feel like when you take it. Better than a first cig in the morn! Changed my mood instantly, I feel great! Who needs coffee?! Definitely think I made the correct choice doing this. I've heard it should take a week up to a month to see how you like it. I'm staying on this!

Got the 28 day pack from self medding site so I gotta order more!

[MCD]

Himu, did you decide this after reading a hentai doujin sent to you by Junpei?

[headwalk]

can i sell my hormones? my giant dick, excessive sex appeal and light wallet suggest there's a balance to be found.

[Himu]

Himu, did you decide this after reading a hentai doujin sent to you by Junpei?

No, Junpei and I have discussed this privately for 5~ years

[Shaka Khan]

What do you mean they think you didn't finish growing?

[Himu]

They don't think I finished puberty.

[Madrun Badrun]

huh?

[Diunx]

PD would you date a female Himu?