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« Reply #240 on: July 24, 2013, 02:33:57 PM »
So, I've never played a SMT or Persona game before. Maybe I'm just a lame-o baby gamer, but man, this game is hard as fuck. I think I died about five times just during that introductory series of quests. What have I gotten myself into, here? And no, I'm not dropping the difficulty down!

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« Reply #241 on: July 24, 2013, 02:38:19 PM »
SMT4 only has one difficulty level and it's "Fist Up Your Bum".
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« Reply #242 on: July 24, 2013, 02:40:14 PM »
So, I've never played a SMT or Persona game before. Maybe I'm just a lame-o baby gamer, but man, this game is hard as fuck. I think I died about five times just during that introductory series of quests. What have I gotten myself into, here? And no, I'm not dropping the difficulty down!

I don't think SMT or Persona games are hard. It's just exploiting weaknesses and hope you beat them before they beat you.

The early game is the most difficult only because your options are extremely limited. Save a lot, and you don't really need to bother with Charon.
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« Reply #243 on: July 24, 2013, 02:41:44 PM »
Duly noted.

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« Reply #244 on: July 24, 2013, 02:48:02 PM »
Grinding won't help either, since XP for the most part scales. Soon you'll be getting like 5 XP a fight.

Levels don't matter, just keep going for the weaknesses for a free turn.
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« Reply #245 on: July 24, 2013, 03:18:08 PM »
Stay aware. If an enemy gets first attack they can wipe you out. Hitting first means everything.

I've only played P4G before this but it feels way more limited in demons I can get (and want to keep). At least early on so far
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« Reply #246 on: July 24, 2013, 07:30:24 PM »
That fairy bitch won't join my crew.
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« Reply #247 on: July 24, 2013, 07:58:58 PM »
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« Reply #248 on: July 24, 2013, 08:06:50 PM »
haven't seen this many people playing an smt game at once before. excited for npd.
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« Reply #249 on: July 24, 2013, 08:08:58 PM »
Helps that Nintendo pulled out a last minute great deal
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« Reply #250 on: July 24, 2013, 08:13:21 PM »
That helps too.
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« Reply #251 on: July 24, 2013, 08:17:09 PM »
haven't seen this many people playing an smt game at once before. excited for npd.

you can probably thank persona 4 for that.
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« Reply #252 on: July 24, 2013, 08:53:19 PM »
haven't seen this many people playing an smt game at once before. excited for npd.

you can probably thank persona 4 for that.

yup! and Giantbomb.com
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« Reply #253 on: July 24, 2013, 09:19:11 PM »
Really good news. When I made the neogaf DDS2 official thread in 2005, it lasted four pages.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2030717#post2030717

The audience has really grown since then.
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« Reply #254 on: July 24, 2013, 09:25:07 PM »
Really good news. When I made the neogaf DDS2 official thread in 2005, it lasted four pages.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2030717#post2030717

The audience has really grown since then.

Your OT had a huge wall of text and no pics, no wonder.  :kobeyuck
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« Reply #255 on: July 24, 2013, 09:31:37 PM »
haha

back then we just made official threads on a whim and didn't put any effort into it. no one fought over who was making what thread, and no one "called" threads.
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« Reply #256 on: July 24, 2013, 09:35:40 PM »
Christ I was 18/19 when SMT3 and DDS1/2 came out.

FML.

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« Reply #257 on: July 24, 2013, 10:32:29 PM »
Got my ass handed to me multiple times by the first optional boss/quest. Gave it one more try with a small line up change and had no problems. Was almost more frustrated by how easily I beat it with a seemingly minimal change
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« Reply #258 on: July 25, 2013, 01:09:53 AM »
So, I've never played a SMT or Persona game before. Maybe I'm just a lame-o baby gamer, but man, this game is hard as fuck. I think I died about five times just during that introductory series of quests. What have I gotten myself into, here? And no, I'm not dropping the difficulty down!

I died a lot in that first part two. It just bum-fucks-you out of nowhere, but it gets manageable as you push through. I think I was saving my game everyone couple of battles at first.
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« Reply #259 on: July 25, 2013, 08:28:55 AM »
Doing OK in battle. The fights are definitely similar to Persona 4 but with added concepts like, Smirk... which I'm not sure what does. Talking is a cool concept to capture Perso... erm, Demons. Already building my characters in the same way I did Persona in terms of making sure I have a healing character.

I do miss having battles take place in big 3D arenas with all the trappings that come with it.
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« Reply #261 on: July 25, 2013, 08:32:59 AM »
The only tips I have for building your character that's not explicitly mentioned by the game:
- Increasing Str and Dex both increase the potency of gun/phys attacks, the latter impacts it twice as much
- There's no endurance or vitality stat in this game which frees you to focus on on even being more specialized in your build
- Dumping your stat points into two stats is pretty safe

 
Doing OK in battle. The fights are definitely similar to Persona 4 but with added concepts like, Smirk... which I'm not sure what does.
Short version: Smirk greatly increases your attack, magic, and hit (almost doubles them). There's also an 80% chance enemy attacks will miss and/or you land a critical.
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« Reply #262 on: July 25, 2013, 08:42:12 AM »
I'm almost to the final question before being locked in a path.

Would prefer Neutral, but Walter is kinda sweet, Jonathan is a stupid bitch (clearly ignorant)

But whatever I get, I aint even mad. I'll just youtube the other endings.
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« Reply #263 on: July 25, 2013, 08:44:02 AM »
:lol

At least I'm paying it forward.

Edit: hey, it was funny.
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« Reply #264 on: July 25, 2013, 01:31:33 PM »


I laughed
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« Reply #265 on: July 25, 2013, 01:48:21 PM »
I chose Dig.

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« Reply #266 on: July 25, 2013, 02:05:36 PM »
I finally got that fairy bitch. Though she's only lvl 2 now. I guess I can fuse her for someone else.

I'm having trouble getting first hit on enemies. Also don't like enemies spawning right as I enter an area  :maf
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« Reply #267 on: July 25, 2013, 03:15:01 PM »
I keep going back and regrabbing demons I fused because I'm never quite sure if I want to fuse them or I I am picking the right skills or of I am playing this game correctly
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« Reply #268 on: July 25, 2013, 03:32:51 PM »
You dont need to do that. When you catch a demon, it is in your Compendium.

For a fee, you can re-summon them to the last state they were (i.e. if they inherited skills and such from a fusion)

You can also have the fusion app search your compendium for possible fusions.
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« Reply #269 on: July 25, 2013, 03:47:47 PM »
That shits expensive.
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« Reply #270 on: July 25, 2013, 03:51:11 PM »
There's an app for that
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« Reply #271 on: July 25, 2013, 04:27:20 PM »
Also, demons are more expensive if you overwrite their base demon. So leave them in their default, and if you fuse them, just get the original and if you REALLY need them hold off until you get to the next area to level em up.
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« Reply #272 on: July 25, 2013, 07:26:14 PM »
I don't like enemies spawning right as I enter an area  :maf

That drove me crazy, but it stopped happening as much after Naraku. Which also has a more cramped design than the rest of the areas imo. I guess they wanted to scare the crap out of everyone starting, and they succeeded.

As for getting first hits, obviously always attack normal to get a preemptive, but for bosses I think it's related to either agility or luck, most likely the former. Anyways it started becoming less of an issue later.
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« Reply #273 on: July 25, 2013, 09:42:03 PM »
What path/decision is everyone leaning towards/picked?
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« Reply #274 on: July 25, 2013, 09:49:26 PM »
I'm still undecided, may go neutral. Neutral is usually the best path in SMT as you get to see the view points of all parties. On replays I'll go with law and chaos.
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« Reply #275 on: July 25, 2013, 10:39:51 PM »
I'm gunning for neutral. If I screw up I'm going to end with Chaos which is also fine by me.
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« Reply #276 on: July 25, 2013, 11:00:06 PM »
Just got the bad ending. Pretty abrupt, lol.

Now to see if I got Neutral...
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« Reply #277 on: July 25, 2013, 11:04:55 PM »
There are reports that the credit promotion is glitched. If you bought SMT only you can just download the FE demo and it'll trick it into thinking you have it bought.
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« Reply #278 on: July 25, 2013, 11:13:10 PM »
Whoops, I think I'm stuck with Law. Oh well!
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« Reply #279 on: July 25, 2013, 11:36:47 PM »
Apparently that final decision before the alignment lock provides a chunk of of alignment points. If you're neutral by that point and was aiming for neutral, you're basically fucked.
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« Reply #280 on: July 25, 2013, 11:47:34 PM »
Well, picking Chaos they basically say "sorry, bitch, you're too far down Law for that shit" - so picking Law obviously won't help

Plus, when you hit the switch, there is no more Cynical Man in the bar to tell you where you align, so it's a guessing game at that point.
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« Reply #281 on: July 26, 2013, 02:55:34 AM »
You'll love it.
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« Reply #282 on: July 26, 2013, 03:30:27 AM »
Just picked up a 3DS on ebay. I'm going to try to cop this game next.

If I loved Nocturne, will I like this one?

Depends on what you liked about SMT3. It's more of a sequel to SMT2 than SMT3. For some people this is a problem, for others it isn't.

But give it time. It takes upward of 7-10 hours for this thing to get fully cooked, and when it does, I'd like to see your thoughts.
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« Reply #283 on: July 26, 2013, 10:43:48 AM »
Finally got into the demon door thing to find Navarre.
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« Reply #284 on: July 26, 2013, 12:53:32 PM »
One of my demons was blown away in a battle and is checked as "lost" on the sumon screen....how do I get him back?

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« Reply #285 on: July 26, 2013, 12:57:35 PM »
Fight random battles and hell return.
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« Reply #286 on: July 26, 2013, 01:38:10 PM »
One of my demons was blown away in a battle and is checked as "lost" on the sumon screen....how do I get him back?

Leave him cuz he's a bitch for losing in the first place
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« Reply #287 on: July 26, 2013, 01:38:20 PM »
Loolz, I just picked up the game after reading that message and my lost guy returned

This game is amazing

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« Reply #288 on: July 26, 2013, 01:49:56 PM »
Why is this game so easy???? 

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It started out being HARD, and toughest megaten since SMT3.  But the last 10 hours or so (just reached Ginza) have been an absolute joke.  Get to a boss fight, boss is weak to X element, have 4 person party with medium strength attack of that element, get 8 turns of hitting high damage weakpoint magic -> kill boss in 2 turns.  Or fight non-weakpoint boss and hit with strong attacks x 3, and 4th character throws up a physical reflect shield.  And normal encounters are super easy once you have party-hitting mid-level magic on everyone. 

The only challenge anymore is when you get backattacked.  Otherwise, this game has become easier than even P4 and is more of an adventure game I'm playing for the story and exploration. 


What I don't get is early on EVERY MAJOR BOSS had like 3-4 "stages" to their fight.  So you'd do X amount of damage, then have a conversation and then next stage where the boss would use new attacks and then repeat again.  But after the first two bosses they just...dropped it?  And even major story bosses now die in 2 turns of hitting weakpoints no problem.  I WANT HARD BOSS FIGHTS IN THE MAIN STORY AGAIN. 

Or they should let you choose a "hard" difficulty on your first run since the difficulty is changeable at anytime.  Just give me a hard option and I'd be enjoying the battles/bosses again, probably.  Strange Journey never got this easy.


Normally I don't complain about games being too easy, but half the fun in megaten games is being scared of each boss because oh fuck they're gonna kill you.  And even be worried about normal encounters the first time you encounter new enemies and don't know their weaknesses and attacks.  Also with the dungeons in SMTIV being "bite-sized" and your MC moving a lot quicker through them, the sense of dread and survival is really missing.  What sucks is that this stuff was there early on in the game!  But around lvl.25-30 party it just became FF1 GBA. 
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« Reply #289 on: July 26, 2013, 01:54:26 PM »
I beat one boss in one turn by just using hama :lol

I was like "he talks of darkness...a lot, must be weak to light" and I just used a random hama and the fight ended. :lol I was laughing but I was so disappointed.
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« Reply #290 on: July 26, 2013, 02:04:30 PM »
Yeah, I'm sure the difficulty will pick up again at the end and with optional bosses, but it just really irks me that a game that started freaking hard and survival-ish has become an rpg I'm just coasting through dungeon after dungeon.  My MC has like +9 of mid-level every element magic/Mediarama/physical reflect spell since he's a magic build and my party members are all pretty kickass with similar stuff.  Want bigger dungeons and more just scraping by boss battles.  Devil Survivor had good boss battles like that.  I really think DS1 captured the "dread" feel of gameplay & the lore/choices of mainline SMT really well.  Love that game.


But yeah, the dungeons look and sound cool, but gameplay-wise suck compared to SJ or Nocturne because they're so tiny and you're not going 20-30 mins between save points/health refill stations.  Feel like it's the one area where the 3DS tech really limited them.  Like the park near Shinjuku,
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Oh well, still absolutely loving the game for the megaten feel.  But disappointed in the gameplay for sure right now.

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« Reply #291 on: July 26, 2013, 02:05:28 PM »
I'VE BEEN TAKING UP FORTUNE-TELLING LATELY

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« Reply #292 on: July 26, 2013, 02:25:38 PM »
The game is definitely missing something like the Amala labyrinth but I didn't think it was smart to do Amala in 3 until end game, so I'm waiting till end game to see if the game reveals anything equally as amazing.

As for dungeons, I don't think the dungeons are small in comparison to 3. In fact they're about the same size if we're going to compare progress in Tokyo in 3 to 4. We're still pretty early in Tokyo and 3's dungeons didn't get that elaborate until much later in the game. Remember that early in SMT3, up to Ikebukuro, maybe even the Obelisk, the dungeons were mostly passages and tunnels and the occasional Amala network dungeon. The first dungeon is a series of hallways in a hospital.

SMT4's dungeons so far have more involving goals rather than "just dungeon crawl". So I think you're being too hard on it. I also think SMT4 does a better job at integrating sections of Tokyo into dungeons compared to 3.
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« Reply #293 on: July 26, 2013, 02:26:55 PM »
You do unlock an "Extreme" difficulty when you beat the game. Of course, you beat the game at this point.
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« Reply #294 on: July 26, 2013, 02:52:11 PM »
Bought a 3DS XL with this game a few hours ago. :rejoice

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« Reply #295 on: July 26, 2013, 03:06:00 PM »
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« Reply #296 on: July 26, 2013, 03:09:56 PM »
WRONG NICCA

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« Reply #297 on: July 26, 2013, 03:11:01 PM »
Even Beezy is joining in the fun :rejoice

and he's never played an smt

CAN'T WAIT FOR NPD
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« Reply #299 on: July 26, 2013, 03:12:44 PM »
Beezy is gonna return it when he finds out that all the black people are dead in Tokyo.
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