Author Topic: Triumph plays THE CITIZEN KANE OF GAMING: FINAL JUDGMENT on post #111 (Read 6129 times)

Human Snorenado · « **on:** July 11, 2013, 05:27:45 PM »

THANK YOU BASED SHAKA

Detailed impressions about why everyone who liked this game is wrong will be coming later tonight.

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Joe Molotov · « **Reply #1 on:** July 11, 2013, 05:33:14 PM »

You've already aroused my interest.

demi · « **Reply #2 on:** July 11, 2013, 05:35:29 PM »

Straight to the balls, like a good girl

Steve Contra · « **Reply #3 on:** July 11, 2013, 05:36:31 PM »

Game manual quality has gone way down. Dicks were drawn in color when I was growing up.

brob · « **Reply #4 on:** July 11, 2013, 05:37:35 PM »

Is that a book on excel you saucy bastard

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #5 on:** July 11, 2013, 05:38:32 PM »

Quote from: Brobzoid on July 11, 2013, 05:37:35 PM

Is that a book on excel you saucy bastard

Taking spreadsheets this semester. So yes.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #6 on:** July 11, 2013, 05:42:06 PM »

mmorpg's are garbage!

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #7 on:** July 11, 2013, 05:46:39 PM »

I just discovered we both have the same t shirt $:-\$

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #8 on:** July 11, 2013, 05:50:22 PM »

Old Guy, I felt it.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #9 on:** July 11, 2013, 06:40:00 PM »

Dick Note

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #10 on:** July 11, 2013, 09:50:36 PM »

...f'real tho, I should be able to toss my daughter to the zombies and escape, this is some bullshit.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #11 on:** July 11, 2013, 10:11:27 PM »

it's twenty years after the end of the world, and according to the enemy count everyone lived

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #12 on:** July 11, 2013, 10:28:35 PM »

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 11, 2013, 05:36:31 PM

Game manual quality has gone way down. Dicks were drawn in color when I was growing up.

Himu · « **Reply #13 on:** July 11, 2013, 10:31:24 PM »

Quote from: Eel O'Brian on July 11, 2013, 10:11:27 PM

it's twenty years after the end of the world, and according to the enemy count everyone lived

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #14 on:** July 12, 2013, 12:22:37 AM »

QTE

Fucking prolapsed anus of modern gaming design. Seriously, fuck that shit.

Game is ok so far, just got Ellie. I like that there's pretty much no HUD, at least so far. Shooting sucks, but I generally have been trying to sneak around and kill people with mah fists or whatever I can grab.

I guess I missed where the story is supposed to elevate video gaming to a new art form, much the same way that I did in BioShock Infinite. I strongly suspect it's a case of...

Himu · « **Reply #15 on:** July 12, 2013, 12:23:17 AM »

look who's popular

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #16 on:** July 12, 2013, 12:27:26 AM »

What difficulty are you playing on? I played on hard, and while some thought it was the only way to go, I regretted not switching to normal or even easy.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #17 on:** July 12, 2013, 12:38:28 AM »

Quote from: Shaka Khan on July 12, 2013, 12:27:26 AM

What difficulty are you playing on? I played on hard, and while some thought it was the only way to go, I regretted not switching to normal or even easy.

Normal. I give no fucks. I'll play games where I can pause, or where it's turn based and I can think about my next move, on higher difficulty settings. Games where the shooting is supposed to suck and ammo is scarce tho? No sir.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #18 on:** July 12, 2013, 03:51:29 AM »

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 12, 2013, 12:22:37 AM

I guess I missed where the story is supposed to elevate video gaming to a new art form, much the same way that I did in BioShock Infinite. I strongly suspect it's a case of...

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It's not a "GAME IS ART YOU STUPID OLD PEOPLE! YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!" situation at all, but the story does pretty damn good later in the game. I felt the same way until I got to a certain point.

chronovore · « **Reply #19 on:** July 15, 2013, 09:46:18 AM »

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 12, 2013, 12:22:37 AM

QTE

Fucking prolapsed anus of modern gaming design. Seriously, fuck that shit.

Game is ok so far, just got Ellie. I like that there's pretty much no HUD, at least so far. Shooting sucks, but I generally have been trying to sneak around and kill people with mah fists or whatever I can grab.

I guess I missed where the story is supposed to elevate video gaming to a new art form, much the same way that I did in BioShock Infinite. I strongly suspect it's a case of...

(Image removed from quote.)

I'm playing Bioshock Infinite right now and, while the sets are lovely, I'm not feeling the Citizen Chicanery.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #20 on:** July 15, 2013, 09:52:47 AM »

I think the problem is that people are incapable of enjoying games for what they're good at, and want to make the hobby into something cooler or more intellectual than it is. Look- there's always gonna be some degree of nerdiness associated with gaming. Trying to have a "Citizen Kane of gaming" has so far resulted in games that, in my opinion, ignore what makes games good at the expense of trying to be something they by nature CAN'T DO. Focus on your strengths, for fucks sakes.

Himu · « **Reply #21 on:** July 15, 2013, 10:12:21 AM »

I think games are fully capable of it. It is only a matter that people only want specific types of games which makes such games hard to make and appeal to people. For example, I fully think Silent Hill 2 takes advantage of the gaming medium fully - at least by merit of interactivity and not gameplay, while at the same time telling a very personal, thematic, emotional story. It isn't a matter of whether games don't have the ability - they do - it is matter of whether gamers want this type of experience or not.

And considering most gamers have the attention span of an ant, we can conclude that they don't.

Himu · « **Reply #22 on:** July 15, 2013, 10:16:22 AM »

Dear Esther for instance is a first person game that tells a story. It is short and unique for its interactive storytelling. Games are fully capable of it.

And I think horror titles like Silent Hill 2 and Amnesia lead the pack.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #23 on:** July 15, 2013, 10:22:57 AM »

Here's the deal- it's not worth it for games to try to do this. The BEST a game could possibly do would be to rise to the level of a B movie. More likely, you're going to have a fucking mess like BioShock Infinite.

The strength of games lies in making the player an active participant. Guess what's impossible for movies to do? Why not leverage this instead of trying to shove more "sit there and watch this CINEMATIC CUT-SCENE" bullshit down my throat? I'm not opposed to the idea of stories in games; I'm opposed to prioritizing passive storytelling over active involvement.

Huff · « **Reply #24 on:** July 15, 2013, 10:34:28 AM »

This game shines when you are put into stealth situations and can pick and choose and redo. If I have to use a gun for much in those situations, I knew I fucked up.

It's the forced combat and shooting parts that suck. What's the point of having limited resources and shit if you are going to make me get into a gun fight?

I just got to fall. That cutscene right before was pretty cray

Himu · « **Reply #25 on:** July 15, 2013, 10:34:52 AM »

I mentioned nothing of cutscenes in my post and yes, I agree.

cool breeze · « **Reply #26 on:** July 15, 2013, 10:43:57 AM »

It's occasionally difficult to tell what's intended and what's attributed to works by others. Last of Us didn't come off like it was trying to be some significant next step in gaming. I felt GTA4 was trying (and failing). Games press even latched onto Walking Dead last year, a small licensed visual novel, and made it out to be the greatest and best thing of the moment that isn't Journey.

btw, Far Cry 2 was computer games' Citizen Kane moment. We're a few years out before people realize it.

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #27 on:** July 15, 2013, 04:28:44 PM »

Excel is indeed the Citizen Kane of gaming!

cool breeze · « **Reply #28 on:** July 15, 2013, 04:32:47 PM »

Excel will be the Vertigo of gaming, the new Citizen Kane of film.

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #29 on:** July 16, 2013, 06:23:42 AM »

But what is the Excel of movies?

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #30 on:** July 16, 2013, 08:54:44 AM »

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on July 16, 2013, 06:23:42 AM

But what is the Excel of movies?

Moneyball

Himu · « **Reply #31 on:** July 16, 2013, 10:32:24 AM »

That's a good point and I feel almost similarly. Even in the crappiest of game stories I tend to latch on to the characters because you play as them and you basically become them. I think games are great about that.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #32 on:** July 16, 2013, 10:47:18 AM »

Dunno bros, late night intense Wolfenstein ET multiplayer gave me the Citizen Kane of boners. Same with a tough Brood War match, or the first time I got a horse in OoT.

bork · « **Reply #33 on:** July 16, 2013, 11:17:22 AM »

http://www.destructoid.com/the-jimquisition-the-citizen-kane-of-gaming-213386.phtml

Huff · « **Reply #34 on:** July 16, 2013, 01:03:46 PM »

Sounds like you just don't like adventure games

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #35 on:** July 16, 2013, 01:41:20 PM »

I guess I need to get back to this. I left off where I got separated from Ellie and was stuck with some other kid behind a locked gate. Went into stealth vision, saw like 15 jittering clickers, sighed and turned it off. Haven't picked it up since.

Huff · « **Reply #36 on:** July 16, 2013, 02:22:42 PM »

That part sucks eel. And you have to kill then all to proceed. I used a lot of nail bombs, molotovs, and bullets. Draw them into that starting corner and take them out one by one

bork · « **Reply #37 on:** July 16, 2013, 02:37:59 PM »

The last time I played this was on the day it came out. Didn't hate the game or anything and wound up playing it for a good 3-4 hours, then messed with multiplayer...and haven't touched it since. I have no real urge to play it and I don't know why since I like the Uncharted games.

etiolate · « **Reply #38 on:** July 16, 2013, 04:02:20 PM »

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 15, 2013, 10:22:57 AM

Here's the deal- it's not worth it for games to try to do this. The BEST a game could possibly do would be to rise to the level of a B movie. More likely, you're going to have a fucking mess like BioShock Infinite.

The strength of games lies in making the player an active participant. Guess what's impossible for movies to do? Why not leverage this instead of trying to shove more "sit there and watch this CINEMATIC CUT-SCENE" bullshit down my throat? I'm not opposed to the idea of stories in games; I'm opposed to prioritizing passive storytelling over active involvement.

How can you be all about this and hate on stuff like Ico which communicates an experience/story with just its simple game mechanics.

Himu · « **Reply #39 on:** July 16, 2013, 04:52:01 PM »

Quote from: etiolate on July 16, 2013, 04:02:20 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 15, 2013, 10:22:57 AM
Here's the deal- it's not worth it for games to try to do this. The BEST a game could possibly do would be to rise to the level of a B movie. More likely, you're going to have a fucking mess like BioShock Infinite.

The strength of games lies in making the player an active participant. Guess what's impossible for movies to do? Why not leverage this instead of trying to shove more "sit there and watch this CINEMATIC CUT-SCENE" bullshit down my throat? I'm not opposed to the idea of stories in games; I'm opposed to prioritizing passive storytelling over active involvement.

How can you be all about this and hate on stuff like Ico which communicates an experience/story with just its simple game mechanics.

He got you there.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #40 on:** July 16, 2013, 05:45:03 PM »

Quote from: etiolate on July 16, 2013, 04:02:20 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 15, 2013, 10:22:57 AM
Here's the deal- it's not worth it for games to try to do this. The BEST a game could possibly do would be to rise to the level of a B movie. More likely, you're going to have a fucking mess like BioShock Infinite.

The strength of games lies in making the player an active participant. Guess what's impossible for movies to do? Why not leverage this instead of trying to shove more "sit there and watch this CINEMATIC CUT-SCENE" bullshit down my throat? I'm not opposed to the idea of stories in games; I'm opposed to prioritizing passive storytelling over active involvement.

How can you be all about this and hate on stuff like Ico which communicates an experience/story with just its simple game mechanics.

Because it's done in a shitty way. And, most importantly of all, THE GAME MECHANICS SUCK.

Himu · « **Reply #41 on:** July 16, 2013, 05:57:29 PM »

ICO's game mechanics are fine. The game is completely based on a simple thing, and the puzzles are well designed. Not a great game by any means, but the mechanics hardly suck; they're serviceable.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #42 on:** July 16, 2013, 06:02:40 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on July 16, 2013, 05:57:29 PM

ICO's game mechanics are fine. The game is completely based on a simple thing, and the puzzles are well designed. Not a great game by any means, but the mechanics hardly suck; they're serviceable.

The Unforgiven of gaming?

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #43 on:** July 16, 2013, 08:34:44 PM »

Positive Touch · « **Reply #44 on:** July 16, 2013, 09:07:44 PM »

ico defenders

that game might've had something going for it if it didnt make you stop every minute to do the same three-hit combo 40000 times on the same two enemies for the entire fuckin game

Positive Touch · « **Reply #45 on:** July 16, 2013, 09:45:41 PM »

I AM MAD that i bought that shitty game when it was brand new

THANKS GIA

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #46 on:** July 16, 2013, 10:09:02 PM »

PT and Wrath with the real talk. Sorry Escha, game is trash

etiolate · « **Reply #47 on:** July 16, 2013, 10:41:10 PM »

Yeah sorry you guys can't talk about story or how to do games.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #48 on:** July 16, 2013, 11:06:21 PM »

Quote from: etiolate on July 16, 2013, 10:41:10 PM

Yeah sorry you guys can't talk about story or how to do games.

Don't you have some fey rabbit things to be fucking around or something? GTFO.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #49 on:** July 17, 2013, 12:27:51 AM »

Quote from: etiolate on July 16, 2013, 10:41:10 PM

Yeah sorry you guys can't talk about story or how to do games.

archnemesis · « **Reply #50 on:** July 17, 2013, 01:24:19 AM »

Ico is a lot more fun if you try to avoid fighting. You play as a young boy with a stick not your typical action hero.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #51 on:** July 17, 2013, 01:26:06 AM »

Hey Old Dude,

Sending you a box of 15 PS3 games. Some are good, some are lulz. Enjoy.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #52 on:** July 17, 2013, 01:40:09 AM »

Redistributionist Gundam Policies

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #53 on:** July 17, 2013, 01:51:53 AM »

Rahxephon91 · « **Reply #54 on:** July 17, 2013, 02:40:31 AM »

Do people even care about Shadow for it's story? It's a fun game because taking on these epic bosses and having that music swing in is awesome. I don't even think I've ever paid attention to the game's story.

archnemesis · « **Reply #55 on:** July 17, 2013, 03:22:05 AM »

I like the story in it since it's simple and it doesn't take too much space. It's the same with games like Ico and Demon's Souls. When it comes to storytelling in games, less is more.

Himu · « **Reply #56 on:** July 17, 2013, 03:31:22 AM »

no one ever explains to me why ico's puzzles are bad? is it because you have to babysit yorda

brob · « **Reply #57 on:** July 17, 2013, 12:25:34 PM »

In ICO you can get a weapon upgrade (morning star) and the fighting ceases to be an issue. Though I didn't find it particularly bad prior either as the shadow enemies hardly pose much of a threat. It seemed to me that they were there more to keep you from getting too far from Yorda.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #58 on:** July 17, 2013, 12:29:53 PM »

Quote from: Exodust SoulBurn on July 17, 2013, 12:26:15 PM

I think SotC did minimalism very well as opposed to Ico, especially since the gameplay was something with some degree of a challenge and is a great concept. I'd be down for SotC2, give me more giant ass monsters to kill.

Basically this. If you're going for the minimalist approach, you better have what you're forcing the player do either be enjoyable or cool, and ICO was neither. The only argument that can be made for it is, "IT GAVE ME FEELS" and I think we all know what I think about that.

brob · « **Reply #59 on:** July 17, 2013, 12:36:35 PM »

The challenge in Shadow of the Colossus actively works against the game being fun. I played both games fairly recently and as you progress through SotC and the enemies ostensibly becomes harder all that really happens is they shake you around more and for long amounts of time and become increasingly tedious to climb (and climb back on, once you fall because the asshole shook for a good 60 seconds straight). The game would be better without that sort of "challenge" even if all that was left was a feels simulator with shit horse AI.

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