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Re: ‘Duck Dynasty’ Star: A Vagina Is ‘More Desirable Than A Man’s Anus’
« Reply #121 on: December 27, 2013, 05:57:18 PM »
NO ONE COULD HAVE PREDICTED

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/a-e-ends-duck-dynasty-star-phil-robertson-s-suspension

Wow, just in time for the season premier, how surprising! Can't blame A&E for wanting to cash in on dat wingnut outrage, tho. Ratings are gonna be insane. :lawd
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« Reply #122 on: December 27, 2013, 06:01:54 PM »
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Now for outraged liberal groups to protest A&E :pacspit
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« Reply #123 on: December 27, 2013, 06:05:36 PM »
Naw, liberals don't give a shit

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« Reply #124 on: December 27, 2013, 06:06:40 PM »
NO ONE COULD HAVE PREDICTED

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/a-e-ends-duck-dynasty-star-phil-robertson-s-suspension

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« Reply #126 on: December 28, 2013, 03:50:13 AM »
Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.

On the plus side, this took off nearly all the focus on healthcare.gate.

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« Reply #127 on: December 28, 2013, 05:23:20 AM »
Its amazing how Bin Laden can get away with obviously hiding in plain sight
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« Reply #128 on: December 28, 2013, 09:18:04 AM »
Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.

On the plus side, this took off nearly all the focus on healthcare.gate.

And just in time for Obummercare to actually start working.
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« Reply #129 on: December 28, 2013, 09:31:44 AM »
Not really... generic congressional ballot is now +5 or so Republican. The past couple of months have definitely hurt, although pretty much all of that swing from the shutdown is from men remembering that they hate women and other minorities more than they hate government not doing shit.
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« Reply #130 on: December 28, 2013, 12:12:05 PM »
Naw, liberals don't give a shit

No. Liberals clearly lost almost as much as rednecks here by giving a shit.
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« Reply #131 on: December 28, 2013, 03:36:31 PM »
Wha? All instances I saw of this conversation were rednecks flipping out and liberals saying who cares.

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« Reply #132 on: December 28, 2013, 04:25:11 PM »
Almost seemed artificial :hans1:

A&E will likely get more viewers for the show, the Duck Dynasty people made more money selling their merchandise as a protest, and internet activists/people with hurt feelings on the internet lost...big time as per the usual.  Sarah Palin did her job unintentionally well as the useful idiot.
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« Reply #133 on: December 28, 2013, 06:04:47 PM »
Wha? All instances I saw of this conversation were rednecks flipping out and liberals saying who cares.

No, they were wah wahing about it for a week when this stunt was the equivalent of a pro wrestling promo.
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« Reply #134 on: December 28, 2013, 06:48:51 PM »
No.

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« Reply #135 on: December 28, 2013, 06:58:00 PM »
Spencer's right on this one.
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« Reply #136 on: December 28, 2013, 07:05:00 PM »
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UPDATE: GLAAD responds: “Phil Robertson should look African American and gay people in the eyes and hear about the hurtful impact of praising Jim Crow laws and comparing gay people to terrorists. If dialogue with Phil is not part of next steps then A+E has chosen profits over African American and gay people – especially its employees and viewers.”
http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/12/27/duck-dynasty-ae-lifts-suspension-on-phil-robertson/

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« Reply #137 on: December 28, 2013, 07:20:32 PM »


No.


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UPDATE: GLAAD responds: “Phil Robertson should look African American and gay people in the eyes and hear about the hurtful impact of praising Jim Crow laws and comparing gay people to terrorists. If dialogue with Phil is not part of next steps then A+E has chosen profits over African American and gay people – especially its employees and viewers.”
http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/12/27/duck-dynasty-ae-lifts-suspension-on-phil-robertson/

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« Reply #138 on: December 28, 2013, 07:23:51 PM »
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UPDATE: GLAAD responds: “Phil Robertson should look African American and gay people in the eyes and hear about the hurtful impact of praising Jim Crow laws and comparing gay people to terrorists. If dialogue with Phil is not part of next steps then A+E has chosen profits over African American and gay people – especially its employees and viewers.”
http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/12/27/duck-dynasty-ae-lifts-suspension-on-phil-robertson/

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« Reply #139 on: December 28, 2013, 07:30:58 PM »
I'd imagine A&E's decision would be different if the show was Duck Fashion or Duck Housewives.
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« Reply #140 on: December 28, 2013, 08:17:50 PM »
Here's the thing, the guy never said that gay people were terrorists.  He said he thought they were all sinners.  He never praised Jim Crow laws either.  He just said that in his personal experience that he never saw anything bad happen to black people during that time.

I have been watching the show now for a while.  These aren't uneducated people.  They're not a bunch of bigoted hillbillies.  They're actually one group of people that (until this point) have never even said anything against any other group of people.  Their feelings about homosexuals is not one based on hatred, but based on the Bible. 

I think this whole thing has blown up because it's great for sensational media.  Still yet, I don't understand why people who don't watch the show, have never watched the show, and never will watch the show care so much about what one man says in a magazine interview.  If you don't like it, don't watch.
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« Reply #141 on: December 28, 2013, 08:41:09 PM »
Oh lawd here comes the Kentucky defense force.

They're from Louisiana, though.
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« Reply #142 on: December 28, 2013, 09:08:13 PM »
I was naming a fictional militia made up of Bore members from Kentucky who defend hillbilly values. I apologize for the ambiguity.

we gonna pretend like you wouldn't be a member?
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« Reply #143 on: December 28, 2013, 09:46:56 PM »
I don't think liberals were all that outraged. I think their reaction was summed up with the joke on this weeks SNL's weekend update:

“This week, we learned you can judge a book by its cover,”  :smug

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« Reply #144 on: December 28, 2013, 11:02:03 PM »
Oh lawd here comes the Kentucky defense force.

Actually, I don't think Jaybo or Bloodwake agree with me though.
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« Reply #145 on: December 28, 2013, 11:12:13 PM »
What don't they agree with? That gays should burn in hell, or that black people were happier as slaves?
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« Reply #146 on: December 29, 2013, 12:00:02 AM »
Remember when the Roman Empire got Jesus? How'd that work out for them? :smug
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« Reply #147 on: December 29, 2013, 12:20:28 AM »
He just said that in his personal experience that he never saw anything bad happen to black people during that time.

He just conflated his personal experiences with that era as a whole.
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« Reply #148 on: December 29, 2013, 02:50:29 AM »
Here's the thing, the guy never said that gay people were terrorists.  He said he thought they were all sinners.  He never praised Jim Crow laws either.  He just said that in his personal experience that he never saw anything bad happen to black people during that time.

I have been watching the show now for a while.  These aren't uneducated people.  They're not a bunch of bigoted hillbillies.  They're actually one group of people that (until this point) have never even said anything against any other group of people.  Their feelings about homosexuals is not one based on hatred, but based on the Bible. 

I think this whole thing has blown up because it's great for sensational media.  Still yet, I don't understand why people who don't watch the show, have never watched the show, and never will watch the show care so much about what one man says in a magazine interview.  If you don't like it, don't watch.
except for the Phil Robertson youtube clip of him condemning gays to death. i don't particularly care if he felt that the Bible inspired such a speech, but it's not like the interview response was some new attack against a minority -- he's been doing it for some time now, just without the spotlight

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« Reply #149 on: December 29, 2013, 05:19:33 AM »
Wait, wait, wait.

Was Groogrux being serious?  I thought he copied/pasted that post from someone on gaf...

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« Reply #150 on: December 29, 2013, 09:10:29 AM »
What don't they agree with? That gays should burn in hell, or that black people were happier as slaves?

I would say both parts.

Wait, wait, wait.

Was Groogrux being serious?  I thought he copied/pasted that post from someone on gaf...

Yeah, I'm pretty serious.

Here we have a Christian celebrity who has offended so many people on here because he said that gay people were going to hell.  Most of you guys don't even believe that hell exists.  So basically, you're upset because a man you've never really heard much of before now has said that if you are gay, you are going to go to a predetermined fictional place when you die?

I'm sorry you're upset because this great book of fiction written thousands of years ago condemned that lifestyle, and that people around the world have chosen to align their beliefs with it.

If you're a gay Christian, I am truly sorry for the turmoil that this puts your personal faith in.  I've met a few gay Christians (all good people) who struggle with this daily, and I do feel a great deal of empathy for them.

Things would be a lot different, to me, if the guy had said that all gay people should be killed.  But he didn't.  Things would be a lot different, to me, if the guy had said that life was better during the Jim Crow era and we should go back to it.  But he didn't.

**Addendum**

Zephyr, I haven't seen the youtube clip that you're talking about, but I'm going to look for it now.
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« Reply #151 on: December 29, 2013, 09:19:14 AM »
I don't think anyone on The Bore is really that upset.
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« Reply #152 on: December 29, 2013, 09:37:11 AM »
It's fair to call him out on what he said.  But putting words into his mouth is a completely different thing.

As far as the Christians who are gay that I've met; to my knowledge most of them have been born into that faith through their families and have come to terms with their sexuality afterwards (no, I'm not saying they chose to be gay afterwards).  Living in Kentucky, I can't say that I've actually met too many Muslims, so I can't really speak on that.  My guess would be the same for the women who are Muslims as well though.

don't forget about them murderous Christ-less shintos

I actually kind-of laughed when I re-read that part in the article.  It's just so off the wall and out of left field.
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« Reply #153 on: December 29, 2013, 09:46:57 AM »


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« Reply #154 on: December 29, 2013, 04:37:18 PM »
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“Now that’s a woman. They got to where they’re hard to find. Mainly because these boys are waiting til they’re twenty years old before they marry them. Look, you wait til they get to be twenty years old and the the only picking that’s going to take place is your pocket. You got to marry these girls when they’re about fifteen or sixteen and they’ll pick your ducks.”



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« Reply #155 on: December 29, 2013, 04:44:33 PM »
Beaten by mere seconds minutes, Joe! :punch

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« Reply #156 on: December 29, 2013, 04:45:33 PM »
Pick my duck, Oblivion.  8)
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« Reply #157 on: December 29, 2013, 04:53:41 PM »
The gay comments didn't bother me as much since it's basically what any of the people who follow the big religions zealously think. It's out there and known(I personally can never understand a gay person being a christian, or a woman being a muslim, etc.). The comments on black people was biased, as in at best it could just be his personal experience, but the way he said it and saying that they were happy cause they sang then is idiotic and has a sense of bigotry behind it. He said the blues didn't exist then, what? All of it is just denying historical facts. And that, in and of itself should be called out.

As far as being upset goes, not really. This shit was unsurprising and doesn't matter to me. He should be called out for what he said, but I don't see why you should rustle your jimmies over it.

He also said that they are all angry now and that's because they're all on welfare

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« Reply #158 on: December 29, 2013, 04:59:38 PM »
As far as the Christians who are gay that I've met; to my knowledge most of them have been born into that faith through their families and have come to terms with their sexuality afterwards (no, I'm not saying they chose to be gay afterwards).  Living in Kentucky, I can't say that I've actually met too many Muslims, so I can't really speak on that.  My guess would be the same for the women who are Muslims as well though.


I know that and have met gay and transgender muslims myself. The thing that bothers me is my school years I've been taught that you either take all of the religion or you burn in hell. Which is one of the first things that struck me as strange and had me leave islam. But it followed me in how I see people who follow any religion in general. Why would you choose to believe in something a 100% and not follow it 100%? It's how I usually point out hypocrisy in people to bug em mostly.

In general, I don't care what anyone believes in and I'm not going on shit on them for it. But if you choose to shit on people without seeing the "sinner" in you I'll call bullshit.

The most ironic thing I encountered was a friend of mine who says she's a tried and true feminist and yet wears a hijab willingly for islam. I told her that I couldn't take a lot of her feminism seriously cause Islam and feminism don't mix.
Following a religion 100% simply isn't feasible anymore in modern-day society unless you're a monk or embedded deep in the heart of the Middle East. Judaism, for example, requires frequent animal sacrifices; Christianity condemns wearing clothes of two different fabrics, etc... The people who claim they follow their religion 100% aren't and are simply lying to themselves. This alone justifies the fact of being gay and Christian, because the people who condemn gays aren't really that much better at being Christian either.

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« Reply #159 on: December 29, 2013, 05:40:12 PM »
Psst. There are religions that aren't monotheistic faiths. It's perfectly possible to be a Taoist or Buddhist and live that 100% in modern day. Buddhism in particular has a complete separate set of rules between layman and monastics. Just because Christianity and Islam come off as ridiculous, doesn't mean all religions are.
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« Reply #160 on: December 29, 2013, 05:55:16 PM »
Psst. There are religions that aren't monotheistic faiths. It's perfectly possible to be a Taoist or Buddhist and live that 100% in modern day. Buddhism in particular has a complete separate set of rules between layman and monastics. Just because Christianity and Islam come off as ridiculous, doesn't mean all religions are.

Abrahamic religions are pretty ridic but Buddhism and Hinduism isn't without their own monastic problems, infighting and conflict with other religions.

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« Reply #161 on: December 29, 2013, 06:05:00 PM »
Who said they weren't? And who also said any philosophical or theistic movement is perfect? That is such a ridiculous strawman and doesn't address the point I made to Zephyr, who said that it's impossible to live 100% a religion in modern day - this is false. I laid out Buddhism and Taoism as examples of religions where this is perfectly possible in 2013; the fact that some sects or entire countries' manner of practice isn't healthy does not detract from my point.
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« Reply #162 on: December 29, 2013, 06:23:53 PM »
Who said they weren't? And who also said any philosophical or theistic movement is perfect? That is such a ridiculous strawman and doesn't address the point I made to Zephyr, who said that it's impossible to live 100% a religion in modern day - this is false. I laid out Buddhism and Taoism as examples of religions where this is perfectly possible in 2013; the fact that some sects or entire countries' manner of practice isn't healthy does not detract from my point.

I just don't agree. There are tenets of Buddhism that basically are put on the back burner unless you're a monk.

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« Reply #163 on: December 29, 2013, 06:26:20 PM »
Such as?
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« Reply #164 on: December 29, 2013, 06:35:05 PM »
Such as?

Complete and utter devotion to Buddhism would require a much more monastic life. Consider materialism, the ability to tell the truth always, doing no harm to any other being, sexual misconduct.

I guess you just plain forgot about the Dalai Lama's statements about homosexuals and oral sex?

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« Reply #165 on: December 29, 2013, 06:43:34 PM »
Can we all at least agree Christians are the worst and should be banished to Saudi Arabia?

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« Reply #166 on: December 29, 2013, 06:44:39 PM »
As long as people like the FLDS goes first. They might find solidarity there though.

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« Reply #167 on: December 29, 2013, 07:21:49 PM »
Such as?

Complete and utter devotion to Buddhism would require a much more monastic life. Consider materialism, the ability to tell the truth always, doing no harm to any other being, sexual misconduct.

I guess you just plain forgot about the Dalai Lama's statements about homosexuals and oral sex?

Your ignorance is profound.

I said there is a clear separate line between lay and monastic Buddhism.

Buddhism does not require giving up ones wealth and becoming an ascetic. In fact, Buddha says not to do this, because he did it for almost a decade. Giving up all belongings and subsisting on limited food does not equate to a good life. However, the other extreme: complete and utter materialism and decadence, with your every wish granted - which Buddha lived as a prince - is also not suggested. Buddhism suggests the middle way. It's not bad to own things as a layman, however, one should note that your favorite things won't always be there and it is best to not grow attached. It's fine to have a favorite cup, but if the cup breaks, or you knock it over, it's no longer there. This teaches the lesson of impertinence, one of the four virtues. The line between monastics and lay people are very clear and defined in Buddhism. The idea that you must give all material wealth and join a commune is a western myth only purported by ignorant westerners.


In summation:




Sexual misconduct means, basically: no rape, no having sex with people who are already married, no having sex with dependents. You can have sex with anyone you want so long as they're not one of these things. There are no absolutes. Telling lies, again, nothing is absolute. Lies depend on the context. If it's to save someone, it's fine. But it's to harm someone, it isn't. Buddhism is not dogmatic, and no killing is another non-absolute. Consider, your pet has fleas. If you were foolish, you wouldn't do anything to solve that because "well, I want to save all beings". No Buddhist is actually like this. Buddhism is practical. If your cat has fleas, and it's in pain, it's being attacked. Thus, the fleas must die. Again, it isn't an absolute. Where did you learn this about Buddhism?

As for the Dalai Lama, who cares? 1. there are three main sects in Buddhism: Theravada, Mahayana, and Tibetan. Dalai Lama is Tibetan. 2. Dalai Lama is not a pope of Buddhism, he doesn't set the rules, Buddhism says nothing about homosexuality, and Buddha himself flat out says to question every single thing someone tells you. 3. That's the Dalai Lama's opinion. Buddhism is not dogmatic, and as such, there is no rule here - which is the point. One could come up with their own conclusion. This is a big thing in Buddhist practice and tradition. 4. Tibetan Buddhists tend to have latent homophobia. This isn't because of Buddhism, because Buddhism says nothing about homophobia. It is ingrained in culture. 5. What does what the Dalai Lama say about oral sex or homosexuality have anything to do with an American Buddhist who practices Ch'an (zen)?

In two single sentences you have shown you know nothing about Buddhism.
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« Reply #168 on: December 29, 2013, 08:52:56 PM »
You act like Buddhism is above some of the stuff in Abrahamic religions then posit stuff that they argue about among sects and laugh off their figure head touting homophobic shit that some followers do tend to believe. I didn't say I know all about Buddhism, just from what my I've seen of my friends that there is just as much separation of what a "buddhist" means between all of them and that some of the "values" aren't "live and let live" because people.

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« Reply #169 on: December 29, 2013, 09:07:37 PM »
Jesus Christ. :lol I won't even touch this one.

But, I'll finish by saying, I'm absolutely sick of your strawman talking points you're brandishing across this board when they - though you feel they make you look smart and are adding to the discussion - add little value if any significance to the current dialogue, and often - such as this example - detour the conversation in completely different ways. When I asked the other week if I should bother going to grad school, or just let my art speak for myself, you took a single sentence and turned it into "well the employers are going to want someone who can work with other people and blah blah" when I asked specifically on schooling. Please, for the rest of the boards sanity, stop making one liner, "smart" quips that only you think make you look intelligent yet aren't related to the topic at hand. It's getting a bit ridiculous and makes you come off as obtuse. Please stop.
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« Reply #170 on: December 29, 2013, 09:25:09 PM »
Jesus Christ. :lol I won't even touch this one.

But, I'll finish by saying, I'm absolutely sick of your strawman talking points you're brandishing across this board when they - though you feel they make you look smart and are adding to the discussion - add little value if any significance to the current dialogue, and often - such as this example - detour the conversation in completely different ways. When I asked the other week if I should bother going to grad school, or just let my art speak for myself, you took a single sentence and turned it into "well the employers are going to want someone who can work with other people and blah blah" when I asked specifically on schooling. Please, for the rest of the boards sanity, stop making one liner, "smart" quips that only you think make you look intelligent yet aren't related to the topic at hand. It's getting a bit ridiculous and makes you come off as obtuse. Please stop.

How are they strawmans? You're painting a super romantic picture of buddhism that I haven't seen. If your whole point is buddhism can be done 100% by anyone why even have a separate monastic order?

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« Reply #171 on: December 29, 2013, 09:28:53 PM »
Because monastics can't hold position in government, or anything. Their entire purpose is to teach Buddhism. The Buddhist lay person has a very high value to Buddhism. It isn't realistic nor practical for every person to give up everything. Work and civilization must be maintained.

I'm not painting a super romantic picture of Buddhism. I just painted Buddhism. You want sources?

Your original post "countering" my claim to Zeph WAS a strawman.

Why are you even arguing with me when you even acknowledge you don't really know anything about Buddhism, and are going at this from second hand accounts? Have you visited a Buddhist temple or a zen center? If not, what factual grounds can you base any of this on? Since you haven't, here's some reading material.

This should rid any ignorance you have towards the precepts: http://buddhism.about.com/od/theprecepts/a/preceptsintro.htm

Lay Buddhism:

http://www.examiner.com/article/what-are-lay-buddhists
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« Reply #172 on: December 29, 2013, 09:55:40 PM »
any religion that doesn't fuck with cows is :pacspit in my eyes

I can cosign swine hate, but cow? smh
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« Reply #173 on: December 29, 2013, 09:57:50 PM »
That's because he's not the figurehead of Buddhism, and Buddhism has its own values from country to country. Chinese Buddhism is NOT like Japanese Buddhism. Sri Lankan Buddhism is NOT like Tibetan Buddhism. American Buddhism is nothing like any of these others. That's because Buddhism has no dogma, and molds itself into the culture it sets itself in. That is why purely why Buddhism is capable of being completely realistic in practice in 2013. Dalai Lama is big in America due to the 70's and 90's pro-Tibet wave. He isn't the figurehead of Buddhism; he's the figurehead of TIBETAN Buddhism. However, Budhism is fluid, and one can learn from any one type.

More reading material for Devo-chan: http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Buddhism/2000/03/The-Most-Famous-Buddhist-In-The-World.aspx
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« Reply #174 on: December 29, 2013, 09:58:45 PM »
Thanks for the links. I know the Chinese definitely don't want to recognize him for political reasons.

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« Reply #175 on: December 29, 2013, 09:59:25 PM »
The Chinese don't recognize him because they're Chinese and practice Chinese Buddhism (a blend of Taoism, Buddhism, and Confucianism). Tibetan Buddhism is highly metaphysical, and has completely different priorities than Chinese Buddhism. Why would they care about Dalai Lama? Dalai Lama isn't a part of their culture.

Here's a better link on lay buddhism: http://www.examiner.com/article/what-are-lay-buddhists The other link has theravadan interpretations to Pali Cannon which get in the way of telling the duties of a lay buddhist.
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« Reply #176 on: December 29, 2013, 10:34:34 PM »

 :holeup

I've been dismissed from NAACP events for talking shit, and I have very little respect for them...but this dude is just lol worthy. We can argue over whether Phil is a racist or not - personally, I don't think he is, I just feel he made some ignorant comments that suggest a lack of understanding (to put it lightly). However his comments on gay people were very direct, and very blatant. To deny that he compared gays to bestiality is just ridiculous. He literally called it a sin and listed off other sins that are allegedly perverting our society.

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« Reply #177 on: December 29, 2013, 10:45:50 PM »
It's funny to hear the super-rich complain about gay people considering what Jesus had to say about wealth.
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« Reply #178 on: December 30, 2013, 03:44:19 AM »
I have a friend who is transgender and "believes" in Judaism and Islam but doesn't practice beyond wearing hijab, uses it as a moral guide rather than a set of dogma. I can respect that.

But the last thing this old duck dude was hired to do was to give his opinion on social issues. So it made sense for him to be fired and it was the public outrage at the supposed infringement on his freedom of speech that I find to be so wrong.

Psst. There are religions that aren't monotheistic faiths. It's perfectly possible to be a Taoist or Buddhist and live that 100% in modern day. Buddhism in particular has a complete separate set of rules between layman and monastics. Just because Christianity and Islam come off as ridiculous, doesn't mean all religions are.

Remember when you were trying to argue that a woman actually looks more beautiful when wearing a head scarf and we all thought that was ridiculous?

Even if you know something is ridiculous, you'll justify it to yourself if you truly believe it is a good thing.

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« Reply #179 on: December 30, 2013, 05:11:00 AM »
Psst. There are religions that aren't monotheistic faiths. It's perfectly possible to be a Taoist or Buddhist and live that 100% in modern day. Buddhism in particular has a complete separate set of rules between layman and monastics. Just because Christianity and Islam come off as ridiculous, doesn't mean all religions are.
In the way I speak of religion, I mostly speak of Abrahamic origins, because that's what we're discussing w/r/t Phil Bigot Robertson. Eastern religion is so very different in comparison and more embedded in spirituality and a strong disconnect from typical social construction that I can't argue about it either way. I will, however, echo the fact that a true Taoist or Buddhist would be living the monastic life, because the roots of these two beliefs require a complete severance from all that is material. Watch Samsara and see what I mean.

And they tend to have similar problems too, such as Buddhists causing massacres in Myanmar and such. The concept that Buddhism/Taoism/Hinduism isn't ridiculous is a Western artifact and literally the same as Exotic Things Are Mystical, which somehow precludes discussing "the Orient" and gives it an image that doesn't hold up very well.

I still have no idea why the Dalai Lama, according to the beliefs he typically espouses, would be against homosexuality -- but maybe I can see it? He's viewing it like it's only an identity of sexual origin instead of being something that affects how a person connects their love to the world as well.

The basic idea is that the reason I say religion isn't something you can 100% like a Mario 3D World level is because the religions that rely upon materialism (Abrahamic in origin) to some extent are also the same ones prone to having multiple scriptures and tenets that have expiration dates in the grand scheme of history. The aforementioned fabrics clause, animal sacrifices, attitudes towards slavery, race, and the place of women, et. al. are all incredibly dated. Unless you're in a community like the Amish, you're likely never going to practice all of these things to the extent that your religion asked of the world millenia ago. Times change, people change, and as much as religious people like to stay course to their traditional, unchanging book, generations are always sloughing off this passage or that passage, to the point where the "100% religious" people are just a shadow of what that used to mean.

Homosexuality, it seems, is becoming one of those subjects featured in the Bible that more and more feel like what they are: subjects that came from a very different period in world history. As the tide changes, so does the relevancy of the Good Word, no matter what form it comes in, and because of that, the hilarity of a "100% religious" person condemning another for being religious and performing that sin or being irreligious is truly cosmic irony on a generational scale.

tl;dr I'm a little stoned and trying to make a coherent argument
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